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Seniors wary of health overhaul impact on Medicare

Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:57 PM EDT
politics, health, us, barack-obama, medicare, overhaul, while-democrats
Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press
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<p>Fred Childress, of Oak Ridge, Tenn., wears a T-shirt showing his opposition to President Barack Obama's federal health care overhaul Wednesday, March 31, 2010, at the Legislative Plaza in Nashville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey)</p>

Fred Childress, of Oak Ridge, Tenn., wears a T-shirt showing his opposition to President Barack Obama's federal health care overhaul Wednesday, March 31, 2010, at the Legislative Plaza in Nashville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey)

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WASHINGTON — Seniors aren't celebrating President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

While Democrats hail the sweeping legislation as the greatest expansion of the social safety net since Medicare, they also fear that seniors won't see it that way for this fall's elections. Indeed, Republicans have portrayed the overhaul as a raid on Medicare — a bedrock of retirement security — to provide money to pay for covering younger, uninsured workers and their families.

An Associated Press-GfK survey in March found that 54 percent of seniors opposed the legislation that was then taking final shape in Congress, compared with 36 percent of people age 18-50. And last week a USA Today/Gallup Poll found that a majority of seniors said passing the bill was a bad thing — while younger people were positive about it.

There's no doubt that broad cuts in projected Medicare payments to insurance plans, hospitals, nursing homes and other service providers will sting. What hasn't sunk in yet is that the new law also improves the lot of many Medicare beneficiaries. Obama is hoping that most will eventually conclude the plusses outweigh the minuses.

Keenly aware that this is a congressional election year, Democrats structured the law so virtually all the cuts start next year and take effect only gradually. For this year, the law provides a sweetener. More than 3 million seniors who have been falling into a Medicare prescription coverage gap will get a $250 rebate, a down payment on closing the "doughnut hole."

Nonetheless, seniors are anxious.

"I'm afraid from the little I've heard that it's not good for seniors," said Muriel Couzon, 86, a retired supervisory social worker from New York City. A Democrat, Couzon says the legislation could affect her vote this fall: "I have to see what it will do to me and other seniors like me."

It's going to take a while before the verdict is in. Change will come slowly to Medicare, which covers 46 million seniors and disabled people. There will be winners and losers:

_Gross cuts in projected payments to insurers, hospitals and other providers total $533 billion over 10 years, according to a preliminary analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation. About $100 billion will be plowed back into Medicare, leaving a net cut of $428 billion. Medicare spending will continue to grow under the law, just not as fast. The reductions are smaller (about 6 percent) than Democratic President Bill Clinton and a Republican Congress came up with in 1997 (12 percent). Still, they're deep enough that some experts believe a future Congress will reconsider them.

_The law strengthens traditional Medicare, which covers about three-fourths of seniors, by improving preventive care and increasing payments to frontline primary care doctors and nurses serving as medical coordinators. But it gradually reduces generous government subsidies to private insurance plans, Medicare alternatives that have lately gained popularity. That could lead to an exodus from the private plans.

_The most significant new benefit — closing Medicare's prescription coverage gap — won't be fully phased in until 2020. That's a long time if you're old and frail. The coverage gap starts after the first $2,830 spent on medications in a year. Seniors then pay entirely out of their pocket until they have spent $4,550, when the government starts picking up 95 percent of the tab. After the rebate this year, seniors in the gap will get a 50 percent discount on brand name drugs in 2011, and a smaller break on generics. The discounts gradually ramp up until the "doughnut hole" is closed.

_One change has received little attention but could have major consequences. The law authorizes a variety of experiments to provide better care for seniors struggling with multiple chronic illnesses — about half the program's beneficiaries. Prominent voices in the medical community have been clamoring for the government to use Medicare as a laboratory for change. If the approach succeeds, fewer people may end up in the hospital for bad drug reactions and other common problems.

"It's going to be very important for Medicare beneficiaries to understand that on the whole, this is not the disaster some people have painted it to be," said health economist Marilyn Moon, who as a former Medicare trustee helped oversee program finances from 1995 through 2000. "It is a bit of a mixed bag, but I think on balance it is going to put the program in a better position, over a long period of time."

Her one major caveat: Many seniors in private insurance plans under Medicare Advantage will face higher premiums and reduced benefits as subsidies are scaled back over three to six years to bring the private plans' costs in line with those of traditional Medicare.

"Beneficiaries will notice that, and they're going to be unhappy because it's a takeaway," said Moon, who directs the health care program at the American Institutes for Research.

Government payments to the private plans — about 10 percent richer than per-person spending for traditional Medicare — have enabled them to offer comprehensive coverage for less. Seniors flocked to sign up, boosting enrollment to about one quarter of all Medicare beneficiaries.

The same cuts will benefit seniors in traditional Medicare, who have been paying higher monthly premiums to support the government's generosity. There's also a potential silver lining for private plans. The law allows them to earn bonus payments for high quality.

Such nuances got lost in an emotional debate that veered off into "death panels" and "pulling the plug on grandma." Nothing that drastic was ever in the bill. Still, Republicans accuse Obama of slashing Medicare, and polls show the message has stuck.

"We've got an education job to do with seniors," said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn. "I think they are probably the least open to seeing the benefits."

AARP and other major organizations representing seniors supported the law, despite the polls. Now they're planning a sustained outreach campaign to call attention to the legislation's benefits. It might not be an easy sale.

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Phil-1006700

What a mess and it's only going to get worse. Maybe they should have read it to begin with. It's not too late, I'm sorry , yes it is, there are too many people wanting their freebies. they say in Massachusetts it was suppose to cost $83 million a year for the health care and now it costs $990 million. Boy are we in for a big surprise, this administration is spending us right to bankruptcy without a doubt. For what? to insure people that don't want it can't afford it and could care less. But on the other side of the coin look at all the money the politicians will have their hands on. Just like the tax on cigarettes will go to fight cancer, somehow it got spent else where. Three years from now to correct the mess the administration will take over all the insurance companies and have them work administrating a new government health care plan . the writing is on the wall.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:15 PM EDT
dirtyharriet1010

As an almost senior (17 months to medicare) I hope something can be done to fix this mess but I don't have high hopes. BO and Congress just did not listen to the people. His little handout of $250 this year is an insult.

Please for the sake of us seniors, our children, and grandchildren try to change this horrible bill. Not necessarily all of it but the part that REQUIRES a person to buy health insurance is unamerican. This nation was founded on freedom. We seem to be losing our freedom to choose anything.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:51 PM EDT
kelly-1437504

Oh, but they say the seniors don't have anything to worry about! The "cuts" to medicare are stopping the waste in the system, not your benefits. I'm glad they were able to waste all this money before and are now putting a stop to it! Thank goodness for the healthcare bill, it will fix everything!! Not.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:01 PM EDT
Ron Christman

I am amazed at the number of my fellow seniors who (apparently) get their news from Fox because, if you read legitimate sources, you will know that this health care bill is not "a mess" but beneficial to the entire population, including seniors. Can anyone spell "donut hole"?!?!

    #1.3 - Thu Apr 1, 2010 2:05 PM EDT
    kelly-1437504

    I deal with plenty of seniors daily who can't survive with the do-nut hole and go without medication for a time, but I'm glad you can apparently afford or appreciate the gap because there are a lot who can't.

      #1.4 - Fri Apr 2, 2010 6:05 PM EDT
      krishna-167929

      I am amazed at the number of my fellow seniors who (apparently) get their news from Fox

      This article is from AP.

      • 2 votes
      #1.5 - Mon Apr 5, 2010 10:05 PM EDT
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      Texasguy01

      Cut funding and add new people.

      What makes you think it will have problems?

      Obama says it will be better!

      • 2 votes
      Reply#2 - Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:17 PM EDT
      kelly-1437504

      Why do you think they stuck the part about student lending into the bill? They claim that by cutting out the "middle man" (the banks) and lending the money directly to the student (the poor sucker without a choice) will save money. For who? The banks are losing income, and the government is jacking up the interest rate on the loans to the students SO THEY CAN PAY INTO THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. Sorry students, you will get healthcare if you want it, but you will be paying for it later. Sorry banks, you will need to be bailed out later when you have no money. Sorry seniors, you can't have that new hip because the hospital didn't get reimbursed from the government and couldn't pay its surgery bills.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#3 - Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:56 PM EDT
      Ron Christman

      Kelly - Your statement is just complete misinformation from beginning to end. There is absolutely no basis in fact to support your allegations.

        #3.1 - Thu Apr 1, 2010 2:08 PM EDT
        kelly-1437504

        I don't see how I'm misinformed...the health care bill does include the part about the government taking over the student lending, cutting out the banks, and offering the same loans at a higher rate. So, yes, the banks are losing that business, and yes the students will have a higher interest rate than most banks would have offered, and why else put this in the health care bill but to pay for it.

        I find it hard to believe that all the money from the cuts to Medicare are only due to eliminating of wasteful spending, so if the cuts to Medicare include rejections to or incredibly slow payments or procedures, then, yes, hospitals won't have enough money to function, and yes, some seniors may be denied the care they should be getting due to the trickle down in government cuts and/or reimbursement. And what on earth is a $250 credit going to do to help a do-nut hole that is a couple of thousand dollars??

          #3.2 - Fri Apr 2, 2010 6:03 PM EDT
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          Bighorn

          The seniors vote - big time. They will remember the pain at the November election and the democrats will feel their rage at the ballot box. The democratic controlled government has screwed the seniors in many ways in 2010. They have taken away the Social Security COLA increase, they have increased the amount of payments to Medicare Part B, They have taken away Medicare Advantage with the Obama Health Bill, they have severely cut or eliminated payments to rest homes and senior retirement facilities and the democrats have done nothing to keep medical, hospital and drug costs from increasing. Also seniors that have to depend on interest from their savings to live on have been hammered by the democratic controlled financial agencies and institutions. The democrats control the FDIC, the Federal Reserve and the Treasurer of the U.S. is a democrat. The health care remake will also reduce the life span of many seniors due to the massive cuts to Medicare.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#4 - Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:38 PM EDT
          merleliz

          Just wait until they go to the doctors office and hear "we no longer accept Medicare patients, so if you don't have private insurance, go elsewhere"...wasn't it Mayo Clinic that announced that they will quit taking Medicare patients? Others will follow suit.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#5 - Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:37 PM EDT
          servus_aus_tex

          Of course seniors are wary. They've been fearmongered by Fox"News" and other conservative interests and the insurance companies for months and months, non-stop, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

          You hear the Republicans and Fox"News", screeching about cuts to Medicare. They are talking about Medicare Advantage, which is a "special" Medicare for rich people. Yes there will be cuts there, but not to the regular Medicare that most seniors are on. But the Republicans and Fox"News" make it sound like all of Medicare is going to be cut.

          Because Republicans and Fox"News" are liars and deceivers.

          Why are rich people getting subsidized with Medicare in the first places, anyway?

          What are you lying, deceiving Republicans going to do come November, and the healthcare reform has been around for 8 months, and there are no death panels, and Granny and Gramps are still alive and well and no seniors have been put to death by death panels? I was going to say it will ruin your credibility, but Republicans lost that a long time ago.

            Reply#6 - Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:49 PM EDT
            Phil-1006700

            servus-aus-tex...... My,my,my you do spout the talking points of the left. I would like a few examples of the lies that Fox News expels. Seems to me that they always say "We report, you decide." It's a far different approach then the other news programs that won't even report the truth. eg; How long did it take the news media to report or even acknowledge the "Tea Party"? Or how about all the reporters that were sent to Alaska to find crap on Sarah Palin and yet they couldn't report on Rev. Wright, whom I considered a real factor in what Obama listens to. Oh no you got Fox News as the bad guy and you drink the Kool-ade the left rumors without fact. The latest issue I guess would be the spitting incident . seems to me that Fox News showed the clip and there was no spitting and even reported that the congressman refused to talk about it but the left carried that ball creating hate. Take off the blinders and let loose with the nose ring that you are being led by.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#7 - Sun Apr 4, 2010 11:42 AM EDT
            HereIAm-1409238

            The $250 is in lieu of the COLA. Big woo! A 5% raise in SS would mean at least a $50 a month increase which totals $600 a year. Oh yeah, Obama loves the seniors. I've got a bridge to sell................

              Reply#8 - Tue Apr 6, 2010 11:33 PM EDT
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