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How to eat well on a food stamp budget: $68.88

Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:41 AM EDT
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Pervaiz Shallwani, For The Associated Press
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<p>Restaurant owner and chef Bill Telepan shops in the produce section of New York's Fairway market,  Tuesday, Jan. 19, 2010. Telepan approached the food stamp challenge with the same sustainable eating philosophy he uses at his restaurant. He favors high-quality, unprocessed ingredients (organic when possible) and plenty of from-scratch cooking.    (AP Photo/Richard Drew)</p>

Restaurant owner and chef Bill Telepan shops in the produce section of New York's Fairway market, Tuesday, Jan. 19, 2010. Telepan approached the food stamp challenge with the same sustainable eating philosophy he uses at his restaurant. He favors high-quality, unprocessed ingredients (organic when possible) and plenty of from-scratch cooking. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

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— How well can a family of four eat on just $68.88 a week? For more than 38 million Americans, it's more than a matter of conjecture.

With job growth and the economy still only sputtering along, a record number of Americans have turned to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, the formal name for federal food stamp program.

At the end of last year, roughly 1 in 8 Americans received food stamps, the highest rate ever, according to Lisa Pino, the program's deputy administrator. During the past two years alone, another nearly 12 million people enrolled in the program.

How much a family gets per month is determined by a number of factors, but typically ranges from less than $100 to more than $500. The national average for a family of four at the end of 2009 was $275.53 a month, or about $68.88 a week.

Despite growing dependence on food stamps, the popular impression is that the meals you can make with them are bleak.

To find out how well you can eat on food stamps, the AP asked two chefs and a magazine food editor to plan out seven days of meals for a family of four using that budget: $68.88.

Food stamp officials note that the program is meant to supplement a household's food budget, not be its only spending. But to best illustrate what's possible — or not — on a very tight budget, we asked the participants to work with the food stamp budget only.

"It was tough. You really have to think outside the box," says Jose Garces, a Food Network Iron Chef and James Beard award-winning chef from Philadelphia. "When you are used to creating food the way we do, it takes you back."

Though not everyone succeeded in staying within budget, the lessons learned were universal. All three said planning and careful shopping were key, as was a willingness to recast leftovers. They also championed chicken as an inexpensive and versatile protein.

Here's how they managed:

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Bill Telepan of Telepan restaurant in New York

Telepan approached the food stamp challenge with the same sustainable eating philosophy he uses at his restaurant. He favors high-quality, unprocessed ingredients (organic when possible) and plenty of from-scratch cooking.

"The problem with the way some people spend food stamps is by buying processed foods," he says. "I wanted to buy everything fresh and cook from scratch. You are not going to do it every day. But do it two or three times a week and then make enough so you heat it up."

Processed foods may sometimes seem less expensive, but they are harder to stretch and generally not as healthy. Telepan also looked for more seasonal foods, which generally are cheaper.

But even without buying the organic, grass-fed meats he favors, Telepan still came in nearly $20 over budget. Some aggressive use of coupons, sales and bulk shopping probably could bring his total closer to the goal.

When constructing his menu, Telepan began by selecting the protein and building out from there. This ensured the meals were satisfying.

He also assembled his meal plan backward, starting with each day's dinner, then sorting out how to use the leftovers in other meals. For example, the leftovers from Monday's roasted chicken dinner became a salad for lunch on Tuesday. And ziti that was served with broccoli, toasted garlic and shell beans on Wednesday got a makeover with meatballs two nights later.

Of course, cooking from scratch is more work, which many busy families will find daunting. Telepan advocates involving the whole family in the cooking. "People look at cooking as a chore," he says. "In the end, if people all help out it makes it fun."

Where the money went:

Telepan's menu came to $87.76, nearly $20 over budget. The biggest chunk of that — $31.01 — was spent on produce, with another $22.48 on dry goods such as bread, pasta, rice, beans and oatmeal. Meat — two whole chickens and 2 pounds of ground beef — accounted for another $18.62. A savvy shopper could use coupons, sales and bulk purchases to get his menu closer to budget.

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Anna Last, editor of Everyday Food magazine

Last focused on stretching her ingredients as far as possible and budgeting her time as much as her cash.

When planning out the week, she was careful not to schedule too many time-consuming recipes in a row. When she planned chili garlic chicken legs one night, she followed it with an easier rice and beans the next.

Like Telepan, she avoided processed foods. Not only are whole foods often more nutritious, they usually are easier to stretch.

"Cooking on a budget and actually cooking means cooking without using packaged foods," she says. "Packaged food can often be not as nutritious for you. You are also paying for the convenience sometimes. Pasta sauce is a convenience. Cooking it yourself, you know what's in it. There is less sodium. There is less fat. It's those sorts of things that you have to think of as well."

How she shopped also was part of her plan for staying on budget. If possible, she says don't shop when hungry or with your children, both of which can prompt unplanned purchases. And always use a list; it makes shopping faster because you only look for what you need.

"It also helps you avoid buying extra things," she says. "To me, writing the list is the most important thing."

When selecting foods, Last started with foods she liked, as well as basic staples. She also made sure to buy foods with multiple uses — such as flour, oil and spices. But she splurged where she could, as with buttermilk and andoiuille sausage. She simply bought those items in smaller amounts or made sure she had uses for leftovers.

"Throw out nothing," she says. "If you want a special ingredient, figure out what else to do with it."

This is where Last turned to a kitchen sink stew, building around extra chicken legs and adding anything that was leftover from the week. "You can use almost any vegetable in it."

Where the money went:

Last spent a total of $68.49, giving her 39 cents to spare. Nearly $22 of that was spent on about 14 pounds of meat, mostly chicken, ground beef and a bit of bacon. About another $22 was spent on produce, with the remaining money split between dry goods and dairy, including milk, eggs and cheese.

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Jose Garces of Philadelphia

Garces' signature style is to dress up simple foods with plenty of ethnic flavors. And because seasonings — both dry spices and fresh herbs— tend to be inexpensive, his is an approach that works well when trying to make the most of a small budget.

Inexpensive basics — such as pasta, beans, greens and potatoes — can get tons of flavor from spices and herbs. The same foods also can taste radically different from one meal to the next — Indian flavors one night, Asian the next and Mexican on the third.

Garces suggests that budget shoppers start in the grocer's ethnic aisle, where the products generally are less expensive.

Budget cooking "traces back to roots in ethnic cooking," he says. "If you look back in history, people had to survive, and using inexpensive products became ways to survive and using those inexpensive products became traditional dishes."

To create his menu, Garces drew on his Mexican roots, as well as his love of Indian food. Beans, spices, herbs and produce are at the heart of both cuisines — and are among the least expensive ingredients at the grocer.

If cooking ethnic dishes intimidates you, head to the library, which should have plenty of books covering plenty of cuisines.

On his menu, an inexpensive chipotle pepper gives a kick to meatloaf. Smokey paprika adds depth to roasted chicken.

"It's all about shopping and buying the right amounts," he says. "Buy products that contain a ton of flavor. Chorizo typically has paprika, black pepper, garlic, cumin and a lot of pork fat."

Where the money went:

Garces spent $69.54, just 66 cents over budget. Nearly $23 went to meat, including high-flavor items such as chorizo and bacon. Another $18 was spent on dry goods and flavorful foods, such as salsa, roasted peppers, chipotles in adobo sauce, paprika and maple syrup. The rest was split mostly between dairy and produce, including garlic, avocado and lemons.

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weRdoomed

You can eat very well on $68.88/week.

Maybe what is needed is a class on budgeting/healthy eating before you can qualify for food stamps?

  • 15 votes
#1 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:02 PM EDT
ohiogal-479871

It costs me about 150 a month to eat healthy and I'm one person. I can't imagine doing it with growing children and a spouse.

My nephew was lactose intolerant and had to drink soy formula, have you seen how much that stuff costs? lol! Forget the rest of the family eating, because a baby can cost half the weekly budget right there.

I'm glad these cooks who do this for a living, were able to show that its not easy to eat healthy and stay within a budget.

  • 15 votes
#1.1 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:10 PM EDT
zanilth

I'm glad these cooks who do this for a living,

That is the issue that makes this possible though. They do this for a living, they know how to make various things from other various things. How in the crap do you make home-made spaghetti sauce? I'm sure it's possible and I can figure it out, but others might not know how to, so they buy the processed stuff. When you have thousands of different things you CAN cook, it gets easy to find the cheap stuff and make meals out of it... When your primary concern is feeding your family and you don't have thousands of recipes, it gets MUCH harder.

  • 12 votes
#1.2 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:17 PM EDT
A Sergeant's Mom

weRdoomed at 1 - I eat approximately on $100.00 per month.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:17 PM EDT
nmbg

It's not hard to cook from scratch; it just takes time, something that working people have a hard time finding.

Most people on food stamps don't work, and have all the time in the world to cook healthy. If they don't know how, they can go to the library for free.

Excuses. Excuses.

  • 11 votes
#1.4 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:30 PM EDT
Super Ultra

I wonder where they live that they think "herbs and spices are relatively inexpensive"? Where I live a small bottle of spice runs around 6 bucks, and to me that's not exactly "inexpensive" especially when it takes two or three bottles of different seasonings to make certain dishes.

Also there are plenty of people on food stamps that do work, usually at long hour, low pay manual labor jobs, so I can imagine that they would be too tired to spend half the night cooking. I don't really blame them.

  • 17 votes
#1.5 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:33 PM EDT
Kenneth-1693406

Instruction book and then an exam.There really are women that can cook today ? Finally good news !!

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:38 PM EDT
weRdoomed

I wonder where they live that they think "herbs and spices are relatively inexpensive"?

Super - maybe they mean, "relative to how long they last". A little spice goes a long way. So that $6.00 will probably last you the whole year.

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:42 PM EDT
nmbg

Super Ultra:

You're correct in stating that plenty of people on food stamps do work. This is increasing true in the current economy that is being dragged out ndlessly by the Obama regime. Low cost, healthy meals are a real challenge for the working poor. They're the ones who are suffering the most, and they're the ones who deserve the most help.

However, the non-working recipients simply have no excuse. Where there's a will, there's a way. Dollar stores, job lot stores, Walmart, etc. are all very affordable sources for things like spices. If anyone's looking for a bargain on saffron, they just don't understand the concept of economization.

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:45 PM EDT
Kim-298921

I agree Super. I suppose if you calculate that a $5 bottle of herbs can be stretched to 2 or 3 dozen 'pinches' for a recipe, then it's not so costly per serving.

Growing your own herbs is the best option for flavor and economy, plus the joy of watching something grow, even if it's just a makeshift windowsill garden.

  • 5 votes
#1.9 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:47 PM EDT
Apples

I buy my spices from Whole Foods, instead of in a can. A whole bag that you make yourself costs me about 50 cents. Spices are cheap if you're willing to go outside of the generic bottled crap.

  • 8 votes
#1.10 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:52 PM EDT
Super Ultra

The way I cook 6 bucks worth of spice doesn't go a long way. hehe. I'm a southern cook that likes my holy trinity of garlic, cumin, and chili powder wayyy too much. I buy it in bulk at Sam's myself, but I could completely understand it being a big investment to someone without much wiggle room in the budget. As far as the recipients that don't work, yes you could argue that they have all the time in the world for cooking and chasing bargains, but some of them have issues like no transportation,disability,illness or a house full of kids to deal with and though that's a whole other kettle of fish, it's something to consider when talking about how much time and ability they really have to get all these things done. I'm not saying it can't be done, because it can, but let's not imply that it's exactly easy. Some people in this day and age, sadly can't even cook.

  • 7 votes
#1.11 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:53 PM EDT
Kim-298921

I'm a southern cook that likes my holy trinity of garlic, cumin, and chili powder wayyy too much.

When's dinner? Can I bring some wine?

  • 4 votes
#1.12 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:55 PM EDT
Apples

You know when I lived in Norway, we grocery shopped every day to get the things we needed just for that night. Really saved money and very little waste. We'd eat leftovers for lunch, even. Hell, we also used reusable bags at that point- 20 years ago, way before the whole green thing.

People just need to learn new habits.

  • 10 votes
#1.13 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:57 PM EDT
Super Ultra

Kim, dinner's about 6 pm every night, and you're welcome to come...but only if you remember that wine. :)

Apples, I tend to do that as well. I just pick up a few things on the way home most evenings. Works out pretty well, and you can't overeat if there's not a lot of food lying around staring you in the face.

  • 5 votes
#1.14 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:02 PM EDT
bonos_rama

I shop for Asian spices at Japanese, Chinese, Korean and Indian markets when I come across them. These spices and certain ingredients like tofu are more expensive in non-Asian groceries b/c not as many people buy them. Asian groceries sell a ton of this stuff and can buy it in bulk. Even jarred curries or sauces (for shortcuts) are cheaper there! Tofu that costs me 2.39 or so in ShopRite or Whole Foods costs me 99 cents at Mitsua (Japanese grocery store). I buy a bunch at once and freeze it.

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:18 PM EDT
Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

I'm a southern cook that likes my holy trinity of garlic, cumin, and chili powder wayyy too much.

That is SO not fair to lay those ingredients on the table without posting an invitation to enjoy the meal.

  • 7 votes
#1.16 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:28 PM EDT
Brian White

I wonder where they live that they think "herbs and spices are relatively inexpensive"? Where I live a small bottle of spice runs around 6 bucks, and to me that's not exactly "inexpensive" especially when it takes two or three bottles of different seasonings to make certain dishes.

Like the last chef suggested, check the ethnic food section. Grocery stores often sell the McCormick's oregano in a little glass jar for $5, and in the mexican food section there is a large bag of oregano for 95 cents.

  • 5 votes
#1.17 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
Dame Quixote

Wheat pasta, EVOO, salt, Spinach, garlic, chickpeas.

$5 makes 5+ servings.

Eggs are approximately $.19 a piece.

Tortillas are easy to make, cheap, and make great wraps. (I can make a batch and have it last me all month for less than $5 for a family of 4)

Dairy is expensive, it's cheaper to take calcium supplements on some days versus having dairy every single day.

Beans are so awesome and inexpensive...

Never underestimate the power of frozen veggies. They're healthy, just frozen and often cheaper than regular produce.

  • 11 votes
#1.18 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:30 PM EDT
Super Ultra

Brian White, you're right about those little baggies, and when I lived in Colorado I would make use of them often. Right now I live in a small town in Mississippi, so there's not really what you could call an "ethnic" section in most of our stores outside of some boxes of taco shells. A Mexican grocery just opened up down the road so there is hope for cheap spices again.

  • 4 votes
#1.19 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:51 PM EDT
Uncommon Sensibility

$1200 a month for my family of 7, and we fish and hunt for about 1/4 of our meat, grow our own herbs, raise blueberries and strawberries, apples and cherries, and have a garden the size of a city lot (not kidding, either!)

We have three dietary concessions that must be met: I have an autistic child who needs casein and gluten-free foods, a son who cannot eat eggs, chocolate, or strawberries, and another daughter who is on an oxolate-reduced diet (kidney stones). My husband is on Atkins, and I'm a foodie (love good food!)

Every meal is a mountain of dishes and options, although we've learned to make extras and reheat them. We eat a TON of meat, and we make EVERYTHING from scratch (spaghetti is really, really easy!), and we never ever eat out.

  • 2 votes
#1.20 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT
determined0a1

With a small package of 6 tighs one can cook a nice chicken broth for soup.

Shred the chicken and make rice and chicken, enough for 6 people.

Very inexpensive.

  • 3 votes
#1.21 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT
Common Man-1469728

You can eat very well pretty cheaply if you plan your shopping right. We always buy whatever meat in on sale, get most of our produce and spices at the Hispanic markets or the 99 cent stores. We spend about $85 a week for 3, last night we had prime rib, tonight we're having ham and beans. Cooking is easy and fun if you go at it with the right attitude, and don't just make crap from a box.

The key is planning your shopping.

  • 2 votes
#1.22 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:39 AM EDT
RhondaC-663839

Jose single man, suppose to be working not taking welfare from legal citizens

    #1.23 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:44 AM EDT
    Megidoloan

    weRdoomed, I agree. Granted, I don't eat very much (I have digestive issues that tend to make me feel sick when I do), but it amazes me to see what some people spend on food. Farmers markets and dairy stores offer tons of great produce (I won't buy produce in the grocery stores anymore because it's not as good) and meats at rock-bottom prices. You're also helping to support local growers who likely don't use chemicals and hormones to grow their crops and who raise and slaughter their animals humanely. Co-ops are fairly common in cities where farms are scarce (I don't know much about co-ops, having never used one, but I hear about them a lot), and they can offer good food at fair prices, as well.

    It's entirely possible to eat healthily on the budget mentioned. It may take some more time and prep, but it can be done, and it's totally worth it.

    • 3 votes
    #1.24 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:59 AM EDT
    Mark in Worcester

    I cook all of my meals from scratch. Nothing pre-packaged. Whole-food ingredients. We're talking breakfast, lunch (usually dinner leftovers), and dinner. It typically takes me less than 45 minutes to cook dinner, and breakfast (eggs, bacon, and sautéed spinach) is ready in 10 minutes. It doesn't take a lot of time to cook your own meals and eat healthy foods.

    • 2 votes
    #1.25 - Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:12 AM EDT
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    A Sergeant's Mom

    Good, informative article.

    What is particularly interesting, however, is how some employees at certain Department of Health and Human Services offices in Raleigh, North Carolina play games with "adjusting" forms or appointment dates in order to claim the individuals or family did "not show up," when in fact, they did arrive but were ignored, or even worse, were not informed of the appointment time at all.

    Strange.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#2 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:05 PM EDT
    nmbg

    This is a primer for things to come as the Obama regime's Great Recession continues to gobble up more and more victims. I can't wait for the next propaganda article: "How To Live Well With Cancer For $1.99 Under ObamaCare".

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:19 PM EDT
    Pint3369

    nmbg - does everything have to be about Obama - C'mon ..

    • 9 votes
    #3.1 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:42 PM EDT
    Tired_of_ExtremistsDeleted
    greck

    Obama regime's Great Recession

    interesting.

    you do know that the recession started long before Obama took office, right? He wasn't the president back in 2007 when the economy began to receede. Why not the Bush Regime's great recession?

    serously, I'm curious, how do you make that right in your mind?

    • 10 votes
    #3.3 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:05 PM EDT
    nmbg

    The "I inherited" excuse can only carry you so far. At some point, a leader has to lead without excuses. At some point, a man of integrity has to deliver on the grandiose promises that he used to get elected.

    Focusing on everything BUT jobs and the economy certainly DOES make this the Obama regime's Great Recession. Have you checked the polls lately? Obviously, the majority of Americans who are sick and tired of excuses agree with me.

      #3.4 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
      greck

      Ok, fair enough, you don't accept excuses from Obama.

      but you as a whole other person, how do YOU personally make it right in your head going out of your way to call it "the obama regime's great recession" when you yourself know what caused it, and it wasn't Obama?

      I don't believe the president should make excuses, but you're using it as a means of taking a cheap shot at the president, and an unearned one.

      Have you checked the polls lately?

      yes, because economics is largely the study of approval ratings.

      how 'bout "have you seen the DOW lately?" It's up 3000 points since Obama took office. or "have you seen the fact that retail sales are up?" Cause that means jobs will be added to meet the demand.

      are you going to be as specific in naming the economic recovery as you are with the recession? "the Obama regime's great economic recovery?"

      • 4 votes
      #3.5 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:23 PM EDT
      nmbg

      An administration that's in a position to take concrete, meaningful steps to alleviate people's suffering by working with the private sector to create jobs, but instead uses the crisis as an opportunity to further a purely ideological agenda by attacking and oppressing the private sector, is fundamentally derelict in its duties. This is unequivocally the Obama regime's Great Recession for doing nothing about it by putting its own agenda ahead of the American people's.

        #3.6 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:52 PM EDT
        Louise Wiggins

        It appears that you are "making excuses" for yourself when you blame others. Blaming is fruitless. This article is excellent and provides very useful information to people on a small food budget, Food Stamps or not. Cooking with whole foods does not have to take a lot of time. You can make your own mixes and store them to use on busy days. You can cook extra and freeze it for a TV Dinner. Cooking is fun and satisfying. Obama, Bush whoever has absolutely no control over how I spend my time or money. Are they camping out in your kitchen?

        • 2 votes
        #3.7 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:52 PM EDT
        greck

        This is unequivocally the Obama regime's Great Recession

        ok, whatever, then it's also the Obama regime's great economic recovery.

        I'll stop being off topic now.

        • 2 votes
        #3.8 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:57 PM EDT
        nmbg

        Long term sustained high unemployment, a commercial real estate bubble ready to explode, massive across the board new taxes, tighter than ever lending, businesses scared to death - Yeah, there's reason to celebrate! I guess you can credit the "great economic recovery" to the Obama regime as well.

          #3.9 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:02 PM EDT
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          Kim-298921

          I believe that some farmer's markets around the US are beginning to accept SNAP cards for payment. That's a win-win-win: good value for money, good nutrition for money, good for local farmers.

          Zanith: homemade spaghetti sauce is not hard to do and tasty and nutritious.

          NMBG: feh. Go blather that to someone who buys it.

          • 7 votes
          Reply#4 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:41 PM EDT
          Apples

          Zanith: homemade spaghetti sauce is not hard to do and tasty and nutritious.

          Agreed. I make marinara sauce from scratch in about 10 minutes with 5 minutes prep.

          • 2 votes
          #4.1 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:54 PM EDT
          I'm Ringo

          homemade spaghetti sauce is not hard to do and tasty and nutritious.

          We make our own spaghetti sauce, and I can't even get my french toast to come out right.

          • 1 vote
          #4.2 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:56 PM EDT
          Apples

          , and I can't even get my french toast to come out right.

          Try buttermilk instead of eggs. Works like a charm.

          • 2 votes
          #4.3 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
          jeanette-1355722

          I love french toast and never heard about using buttermilk instead of eggs. How do you do that? I need a recipe, do you have one?

            #4.4 - Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:33 AM EDT
            Apples

            I didn't mean no eggs at all, just without the standard whisk an egg and dunk. Here is one I found online, but Bobby Flay has a really nice one that's similar but with more spices. I've also seen him make one with pumpkin puree.

            http://www.marthastewart.com/recipe/buttermilk-french-toast

              #4.5 - Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:50 PM EDT
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              steven-791492

              All 3 examples were good.

              Does anyone know what the number of or percentage of households where nobody knows how to cook? aside from boiling water and making sandwiches..

              I am very lucky, having come from a very large poor family. My poor Mother could feed an endless number with what seemed very little. She used all of the extra little hands around the house as cheap labor.... by today's standard she would have been charged with child abuse.

              At some point during the 1960s she worked for the University teaching women how to better use Commodity Foods(pre food stamps). From day one it was a constant battle to teach basic cooking. Very few of her clients had any real skills..... she would spend hours one on one....to get what she later told me was a 20-25 % success rate.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#5 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:52 PM EDT
              Super Ultra

              I can cook anything from scratch. My husband has called me the "miracle worker" many times for taking three boring ingredients and making an awesome dinner out of it. I'm lucky. I've met a lot of people who can manage to either burn or undercook something as simple as frozen pizza. Some folks can learn to cook, but others will never catch the trick. Sometimes I think cooks are born not made for the most part. My family had moments in our earlier years where we had to use food stamps, and we got by pretty well. I always made a list, planned meals, and had time to cook them (my husband worked long hours and I stayed home with the kids aside from piecemeal part time jobs). I think some people aren't that organized, and in my circumstances cooking skills and organization were the key to making it work.

              Kind of makes me sad to think that a lot of folks think pancakes come from a box of mix and gravy comes in a jar....I guess I'm just old school.

              • 7 votes
              #5.1 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:57 PM EDT
              Kim-298921

              My grandparents were poor and mostly lived off their garden, chicken coop, fruit trees, and whatever my grandfather could catch, shoot or trap.

              My parents were much better off and my mother cannot cook to save her life. You would be appalled at how I was nourished growing up. If I weren't here, she'd literally live off Lean Cuisines, sandwiches, prepared foods and take-out.

              And now things come full circle: I garden and cook as much as I can, for fun, nutrition and savings. I'd have chickens if I could but my municipality says no, no, no.

              • 6 votes
              #5.2 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
              Super Ultra

              That's always kind of gotten to me. I wish people could have a small coop of a reasonable amount of chickens. I was raised in the country and I didn't mind hearing the roosters crowing in the morning. I gathered eggs, helped pluck chickens, fed them, slopped pigs, picked okra and strawberries, and basically had the most fun childhood any kid could have. Plus when you grow your own strawberries and then make your own jam, you feel pretty awesome when you're about 10.

              • 3 votes
              #5.3 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:17 PM EDT
              greck

              my neighbors actually have a small chicken coop (1/3 acre lot, residential area) and belong to an organization of people who do the same in residential areas all around Albuquerque.

              • 2 votes
              #5.4 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT
              Apples

              I wish people could have a small coop of a reasonable amount of chicken

              The problem is that with houses right on top of each other, your neighbor may not appreciate the sound of your roosters, especially if they work 2nd shift, for example.

              • 4 votes
              #5.5 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT
              greck

              The problem is that with houses right on top of each other, your neighbor may not appreciate the sound of your roosters, especially if they work 2nd shift, for example.

              you don't need a rooster, do you?

              I found their website, but haven't really looked at it yet:

              http://urbanchickens.org/

              • 2 votes
              #5.6 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:36 PM EDT
              Apples

              , I've never heard a rooster. I definitely live within earshot... I dunno. I'll have to find out.

              In that case I would completely agree. People should be able to keep chickens if noise isn't an issue. I mean we keep other pets right? Barking dogs, screaming birds, etc.

              • 3 votes
              #5.7 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT
              Louise Wiggins

              The University Extension in my county continues to teach people to cook one on one, as well as budgeting. If you don't know how, ask your extension office for help. You will find the number in the phone book. If not, ask your local Food Stamp Office. They will know how to make contact if the service is available where you are.

              • 1 vote
              #5.8 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:56 PM EDT
              Brian White

              I live in DC. There was a major debate over the past 6 or 7 months about chickens. One couple got a couple chickens to teach their kids about them, then someone called the city, and the whole thing spiraled out of control. The current rules allow them only on certain sized lots, and not many lots in the center of DC qualify. People are either rabidly for it, or rabidly against it. I don't know why it's so polarizing.

              http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/american-life/people/Washington-Residents-Lobby-to-Raise-Chickens-on-Capitol-Hill-87778637.html

              • 2 votes
              #5.9 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:43 PM EDT
              greck

              I live in DC. There was a major debate over the past 6 or 7 months about chickens. ... People are either rabidly for it, or rabidly against it. I don't know why it's so polarizing.

              there's a "one side or the other" "chicken crossed the road" joke in there somewhere, I just can't come up with it...

              anyone?

              • 1 vote
              #5.10 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:46 PM EDT
              steven-791492

              thanks for all the great additions.

              • 2 votes
              #5.11 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:13 AM EDT
              Reply
              LizLiz

              Using whole, natural, and unprocessed foods is not just good for the wallet, but for overall health as well. It reduces the grocery bill, health care costs, sick leave from work, and overall mental health. In the long run it is a hundred times less expensive than purchasing processed foods.

              • 8 votes
              Reply#6 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
              Perry O

              As I understand it, many urban poor live in what are called 'food deserts'. Areas where there are no supermarkets, only small corner markets that carry a limited selection of mostly processed foods at high prices. In the pictures accompanying the article Bell Telpin is shown shopping in an upscale, well stocked supermarket with lots of options. I would like to see them perform this same test, but with the limitation that they can only shop in a food desert.

              • 10 votes
              #7 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:36 PM EDT
              Super Ultra

              I can see where a lot of people in my neighborhood are in that situation. There are a lot of people here with no transportation, there's no public transport, and the only stores within walking distance are two very overpriced convenience stores with no fresh produce but plenty of processed junk and ready made fried food for sale. I imagine it's almost impossible to make healthy food if you're stuck around here with no car.

              • 4 votes
              #7.1 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:54 PM EDT
              Apples

              I think people without cars should get together with people who have them in your neighborhood for weekly shopping visit. This nation has forgotten how to barter and trade. I'm sure you have something your neighbor with a car wants/needs.

              People just need to stop making excuses of why they can not and just start doing.

              • 3 votes
              #7.2 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:00 PM EDT
              CMlawyer

              Excellent point, Perry O, on the food deserts. We have some of those in my town, in neighborhoods where people rely heavily on limited public transportation to get around. Luckily, on the fringes of these deserts a new store ("Bottom Dollar") has moved in. Basic foods, limited selection, some good ethnic options and meat specials. I run into some of my neighbors there, regularly. A store like that, I could feed my family for $100/week if I had to. I don't know about $69. APPLES: Real easy to suggest getting together with others who have a car. How often have you "bartered" a ride with someone? Some of these neighborhoods there are not many cars, and you save the favors for real emergencies.

              • 4 votes
              #7.3 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:01 PM EDT
              LizLiz

              Perry O, The only objection I have with your post is this:

              In the pictures accompanying the article Bell Telpin is shown shopping in an upscale,

              If you have ever been to a Fairway store you would never use it in the same sentence as upscale. It is a large chain store, but as upscale of a grocery store as McD's is to fine dining.

              • 2 votes
              #7.4 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:10 PM EDT
              OBAMA-FAN

              Perry,

              Very well stated! In the hood you have C-Town, Key Food, and other small expensive stores like that. They know most don't posses the means to travel to a better supermarket so they charge you like how they do in Disneyland. They no you can't leave (w/o paying to get back in)so that soda that would cost you $1 on the outside all of a sudden costs $2.50. Produce in da hood is some brown lettuce, wilted carrots, etc. The only thing in the produce isle ever good was the grapes. I don't know why, but the grapes were always good in da hood! LOL

              • 5 votes
              #7.5 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:14 PM EDT
              Proud Non-arab muslim

              Most families, if they are not in a "food desert" probably only have walmart and maybe one semi respectable grocery store. Whole foods, trader joes, and places like that arent that common, and are usually quite a drive, even in a large city like dallas, san antonio, ect...

              I want to see them pull it off in a "grocery" store like walmart.

              • 4 votes
              #7.6 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:19 PM EDT
              Perry O

              If you have ever been to a Fairway store you would never use it in the same sentence as upscale. It is a large chain store, but as upscale of a grocery store as McD's is to fine dining.

              That may be, but compared to the Winn-Dixie where I do most of my shopping, that looks definitely upscale.

              • 2 votes
              #7.7 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:35 PM EDT
              Perry O

              I want to see them pull it off in a "grocery" store like walmart.

              Super WalMart stores actually have a pretty good selection of fresh food.

              • 3 votes
              #7.8 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT
              Apples

              Some of these neighborhoods there are not many cars, and you save the favors for real emergencies.

              I'm not speaking of favors. If you would save thousands of dollars by car pooling with someone who has a vehicle to a less expensive grocery store. Saving them thousands of dollars too in the process, I think you could barter that every Saturday at 3pm we go to that store and you pay for gas, or cut their lawn or something. Seriously, getting creative beats not eating.

              • 4 votes
              #7.9 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT
              Proud Non-arab muslim

              after living in 6 states, even the best walmart i have still doesnt do pick your own amount of spices, or have anything more then the common produce.... seriously, even options like spices in bottles are pretty limited, expecially if your living on food stamps and cant afford to dish out $10 to get the start up for spices

              • 3 votes
              #7.10 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:21 PM EDT
              Apples

              even the best walmart i have still doesnt do pick your own amount of spices, or have anything more then the common produce.... seriously, even options like spices in bottles are pretty limited, expecially if your living on food stamps and cant afford to dish out $10 to get the start up for spices

              I buy spices that aren't bottled so I don't pay a premium for a logo. I package the spices myself at the market in little ziplocks they provide. Total cost of an entire ziplock of spices that last several months... 50 cents. Sometimes it's less than that. A whole pound of spices will run you $6.00. Do you know how much spice you can get for a lb? A CRAP TON.

              • 3 votes
              #7.11 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:24 PM EDT
              Proud Non-arab muslim

              apple, exactly, but where can you do that???? my options back in college when i was on foodstamps was walmart or dillions......

              even now my options are walmart, heb, and 1 small locally owned store that is high priced.

              Most people on food stamps are in poorer parts of town, no where near a whole foods, trader joes, or really any semblence of a place that has specialy things like package your own spices.

              I live in the 6th largest city in the usa, and even for me, with a car, places like that are hard to find to start with, and most people dont live in large cities.

              • 2 votes
              #7.12 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:35 PM EDT
              Apples

              HEB and Central Market both have them.. I'm assuming you live in TX.

              • 2 votes
              #7.13 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT
              Super Ultra

              Yeah we'd have to drive for 2 hours around here to even get near a Target, much less Whole Foods. We've got a few family run stores, Kroger, and Wal Mart. We just now got the one ethnic store in the whole town, so that's a good thing. Wal Mart here has ok produce, but terrible and expensive meat. Kroger has more expensive everything, but their produce is great, and Todd's (local store) is where you go for reasonably priced meat but expensive everything else and low selection. So it's all give and take. I shop at all three sometimes, but usually just figure out what I've got to have the most of and stop there on the way home. (I'm really into just picking the stuff to cook for dinner on the way home most evenings.) I feel very very blessed that we aren't limited to 68 bucks a week for our food budget, but I do remember the days when things were tighter.

              • 2 votes
              #7.14 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
              Apples

              I remember the days eating ramen every night.. $1 for 12 specials ;p.

              Excuses are like @!$%#s, everyone has one. Frankly, I think we should all be more concerned with solutions. This article is about solutions. It shows that while it may be hard, food CAN be nutritious and inexpensive.

              • 5 votes
              #7.15 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:07 PM EDT
              Louise Wiggins

              When I moved to an area without a whole food store, I started a whole food buying coop. We located a warehouse and found their nearest point of delivery. We found out what a minimum order would be. We met as a club, made out an order and someone would pick it up. The club broke down the bulk foods into the orders. We did this in a church basement. We cleaned up after ourselves. We saved tons of money. When we had enough members, we opened a store front. I still shop there, 30 years later. We even get organic produce. Use the library to learn how if you feel you don't know enough. There is no reason to be isolated from good food. I know of an active coop in a nearby town that has been going for a long time and opted out of a store front to keep costs down. We wanted the convenience and chose to spend more for it. We were able to use food stamps by following state application proceedures.

              • 1 vote
              #7.16 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:42 PM EDT
              Fred-45144444

              Big Brother says.....Eat This Way!

              Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program

              My people call it WELFARE.

              • 1 vote
              #7.17 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:38 AM EDT
              Fred-45144444

              Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, the formal name for federal food stamp program.

              Right, welfare, I thought so!

              Brother, can you spare a dime? Can you spell FDR. Democrats have always loved a good, excuse me, a Great Depression.

              • 3 votes
              #7.18 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:44 AM EDT
              Reply
              Freedom Writer-801740

              Actually if you shop at the discount stores, Aldi, Save A Lot, etc. 63.88 can go a long way, and you cant buy spices there that are just as good for about 200 dollars a bottle.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#8 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
              LizLiz

              Freedom Writer, my only objection to many of these discount stores is that they carry very little fresh produce. Many of them are filled with shelves of cheap processed "fake" foods.

              • 2 votes
              #8.1 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT
              Dame Quixote

              Aldi carries produce. We have one up here.

              • 4 votes
              #8.2 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:35 PM EDT
              LizLiz

              We have a few here. The produce section is very small and provides very little of the nutrition from whole foods that the body needs.

              • 1 vote
              #8.3 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
              Freedom Writer-801740

              I dont know where you live, but the one that I go to has a pretty large variety. I buy peppers to make my own stuffed peppers, i broccoli, cauliflour and carrots to make my own california blend, I also buy celery to have for snacks with peanut butter. They almost always have potatoes, lettuce, spinach, grapes, apples, oranges, and in season fruit and sometimes even have special stuff like kiwi and star fruit, and it a whole lot less epensive that kroger or giant eagle.

              • 3 votes
              #8.4 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:10 PM EDT
              Louise Wiggins

              The Aldi store here has the best produce around. Speak to the manager. Ask for what you need. Get your friends to ask. If they have a demand, they will find a way to carry it.

              • 2 votes
              #8.5 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:47 PM EDT
              SansSerif

              oh Aldi is fantastic, i lonly have a save alot in my neighborhood but when i can get a lift i go to Aldi.

              • 2 votes
              #8.6 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:48 AM EDT
              Pirate C

              I have Jons mart out here, I get produce really cheap like pears 2lbs for $1 or 5lbs oranges for $1, they always have sales.

                #8.7 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:04 AM EDT
                Reply
                Boudicea

                We're coming up on spring/summer. Anybody working on a strict food budget needs to look at planting a garden. You can do tomatoes, cucumbers and peppers in pots on a deck if you live in an apartment. One tomato plant can be plenty for a family of 4. Don't overlook planting herbs on your windowsill, either. Lots of flavor there for pennies

                • 5 votes
                #9 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:54 PM EDT
                OBAMA-FAN

                We're coming up on spring/summer. Anybody working on a strict food budget needs to look at planting a garden.

                You're are assuming everyone has a house, or an apartment with a terrace. What about those whose outdoor living space is a fire-escape?

                • 4 votes
                #9.1 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:06 PM EDT
                Dame Quixote

                You're are assuming everyone has a house, or an apartment with a terrace. What about those whose outdoor living space is a fire-escape?

                We lived in a loft with no patio/balcony/etc. I put my mini gardens near the window.

                • 6 votes
                #9.2 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT
                Apples

                You're are assuming everyone has a house, or an apartment with a terrace. What about those whose outdoor living space is a fire-escape?

                She said planting on the window sill. Do people who have fire-escapes not have windows? Hmm

                • 7 votes
                #9.3 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:16 PM EDT
                Brian White

                This is completely off topic, I apologize. My wife asked me why buildings don't have fire escapes any more. Being a smart ass, I said it's because we don't need to escape fire anymore.

                Anyone know the real reason? Did fire escapes stop when sprinkler systems came out?

                • 1 vote
                #9.4 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:46 PM EDT
                Louise Wiggins

                You can put pots on the fire escape 4 to 6 hours a day and keep them inside the rest of the time. You can grow sprouts and mushrooms with no sun at all. You can make your own yoghurt, keifer, cottage cheese, bread. All of this saves money and improves your nutrition.

                • 2 votes
                #9.5 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:49 PM EDT
                OBAMA-FAN

                Apples,

                She said planting on the window sill. Do people who have fire-escapes not have windows? Hmm

                Are you saying that you can grow enough produce on a window sill to feed a family of 4? Gimmie a break! Instead of trying to point out what I said, try using some common sense! Nice in theory, but falls flat in reality!

                • 2 votes
                #9.6 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:50 PM EDT
                OBAMA-FAN

                dame,

                We lived in a loft with no patio/balcony/etc. I put my mini gardens near the window.

                How many belly's are you filling up on your "Mini Garden"? What if they have what we call a "New York City View"? That's when the only view you have is of the building next to yours, and the only coming through the window is when your neighbor turns on their lights!

                • 3 votes
                #9.7 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:53 PM EDT
                Dame Quixote

                How many belly's are you filling up on your "Mini Garden"? What if they have what we call a "New York City View"? That's when the only view you have is of the building next to yours, and the only coming through the window is when your neighbor turns on their lights!

                And what if they are blind and cannot tell if they have sun or not. And what if they cannot hear, so they cannot be told how to saw money. What if every square inch of the apartment is covered in children?

                Exceptions, not rules. Most people don't live in New York. Most people have either a window/patio/outdoor area/etc. Obviously there's always going to be that deaf, blind person with no sunlight in their apartment.

                My mini garden SUPPLEMENTS. Sigh. What are you the "excuse" generator for those on food stamps?

                • 7 votes
                #9.8 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:35 AM EDT
                SansSerif

                obama-fan,

                it depends on what you grow. ive done urban apartment gardening. i've grown-cut-and come-again lettuce, cherry tomato's, peas, lots of herbs and zucchini (and plenty other stuff when i had a roof for pots) and you can get plenty of things to grow inside and i always had more than enough for myself and my two flatmates. one healthy zucchini plant alone could feed a family of four fresh veg for an entire summer (though it would get boring quick!).

                its not a solve all solution, and i did it out of a love of gardening rather than a need for food. and for a family to dedicate a window sill to something like chard or tomatoes could ass a ton of cheap nutrition to their diet.

                • 5 votes
                #9.9 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:56 AM EDT
                Boudicea

                Obama-fan, please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems that you're looking for reasons WHY you couldn't plant a couple of things instead of why you CAN. Don't you have house plants? Well then....

                • 4 votes
                #9.10 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:03 AM EDT
                icegal

                If you are really interested, try square foot gardening. www.squarefootgardening.com You would be surprised at how much you can grow in one square foot. Make several square feet and bolt them to the wall if you don't have outside space.

                • 2 votes
                #9.11 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:06 AM EDT
                SansSerif

                Brilliant, icegal!

                now that my father has moved out of the city i travel out to him to help with his square foot garden. he put it in last year to feed the family that is still living at home as they are suffering financially yet don't qualify for food stamps. they produce more food in a 4x8 foot space than they could ever eat and end up giving a good deal of it away.

                • 3 votes
                #9.12 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:16 AM EDT
                Dame Quixote

                Thanks Icegal!! I just moved to DC area and we have a lot less space than we did in Texas, that will actually help me out! :-)

                • 3 votes
                #9.13 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:28 AM EDT
                Pirate C

                Growing a garden is fun, its an awesome feeling once you have food to eat that you grew with your own two hands(thumbs heh heh) If you are not sure just start off small and build up. I had a yard so I turned a 10foot by 3 foot patch on the side of the house (where the gas meter and stuff was) into a garden, I had sugar snap peas, carrots, spinich cucumber, roman lettice and strawberries.
                I had like 8 sugar snap plants and when they got going I had to give away some of the peas because they were producing so much I had to much to eat.

                Sugar snap peas are the best and can take up less room putem in a pot with a stick they can latch onto.
                Its all good stuff no matter what you grow, it will be good for you and make you feel good too.

                • 2 votes
                #9.14 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:00 AM EDT
                Apples

                Obama Fan,

                Are you saying that you can grow enough produce on a window sill to feed a family of 4?

                Who said you had to feed your whole family solely from your garden? No one suggested that. Instead people have offered solutions to reduce cost. I garden and I live in a house with quite a bit of land. The intention is not to feed my whole family without supplementing food from the supermarket/ farmer market, but rather to save money (isn't that the point of this article?) and provide nutricious herbs and vegitables for the table (2nd point of the article?).

                Instead of trying to point out what I said, try using some common sense

                My suggestion is instead of getting all defensive is to simply turn on YOUR common sense button. Why are you so angry? Do you need a couch to lie on?

                • 3 votes
                #9.15 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:31 PM EDT
                OBAMA-FAN

                Dame,

                Exceptions, not rules. Most people don't live in New York.

                No, but the second most number of welfare recipients do, and isn't that what the discussion is about??

                Economy Statistics > Welfare Caseloads > Total recipients (most recent) by state

                Rank States Amount

                # 1
                California:
                1,085,627

                # 2
                New York:
                341,004

                # 3
                Texas:
                333,435

                http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients

                My mini garden SUPPLEMENTS. Sigh. What are you the "excuse" generator for those on food stamps?

                No, just someone with a shred of common sense! Try it some time!

                Sans,

                I can totally respect your comment. Thank you.

                KJM,

                My home is over 4,000 sq ft. We are not hurting for anything. I did however grow up in more modest means. I'm simply being realistic about this. It takes 2-3 months to grow some of the vegetables these folks are talking about. What are these people to do in the mean time? then they harvest their bounty, and wait another 2-3 months for something to grow? I'm simply being realistic.

                • 1 vote
                #9.16 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:43 PM EDT
                Dame Quixote

                My home is over 4,000 sq ft. We are not hurting for anything. I did however grow up in more modest means. I'm simply being realistic about this. It takes 2-3 months to grow some of the vegetables these folks are talking about. What are these people to do in the mean time? then they harvest their bounty, and wait another 2-3 months for something to grow? I'm simply being realistic.

                Perhaps, had they already begun doing things like gardening and making things from scratch, they wouldn't be so financially troubled.

                What's realistic about people not using all resources they can to make their lives better?

                • 5 votes
                #9.17 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:52 PM EDT
                Boudicea

                I don't know where you are but I have a 5 x 5 ft garden every year, and it takes more like 75-90 days to get any vegetables here in the northeast. There are just two of us, and I always wind up freezing some vegetables. I still have tomatoes in my freezer from last year. My point - you have to start sometime somewhere. In the meantime, if you're THAT hungry, I assume you have family, friends, food bank, etc.

                • 3 votes
                #9.18 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:31 PM EDT
                OBAMA-FAN

                What's realistic about people not using all resources they can to make their lives better?

                nothing at all. I'm saying it's not realistic to think that being able to harvest a small amount of vegetables 3 maybe 4 times a year, isn't really making anything better in the grand scheme of things.

                kjm,

                I don't know where you are but I have a 5 x 5 ft garden every year, and it takes more like 75-90 days to get any vegetables here in the northeast.

                Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't 75-90 days basically 2-3 months?

                if you're THAT hungry, I assume you have family, friends, food bank, etc.

                And I can assume that their family and friends are in the same boat! i don't know if you've heard, but we are in a recession and most of the food banks in my are have pretty much dried up! My wife and daughter volunteer and they haven't had enough food to open the food bank in months. What they do now is deliver meals.

                • 2 votes
                #9.19 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:25 PM EDT
                Boudicea

                Why are you being so beligerent? I don't know how to break this to you, but we CAN'T feed everybody! I am so sick and tired of people coming up with excuse after excuse! This is still America, land of PLENTY. Sure, maybe we have a little less "plenty" than we did 5 years ago, but if you think it's bad here take a look at truly 3rd world countries and stop bitching about people not being able to "live" on $70 a week for food!

                • 3 votes
                #9.20 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:34 PM EDT
                OBAMA-FAN

                KJM,

                Why are you being so beligerent?

                learned a new word today I see! You're not breaking anything to me! There are no revelations in your comment, and I'm not making excuses for anyone. I'm simply stating the facts as i've seen them in my lifetime! You have a problem with that then that's on you! I've seen a lot of hardworking people have to go on welfare and shed real tears about of it! hating to rely on someone else for support! I've seen people work 30-40 years on a job and have to retire on welfare because their boss was using the employee pension to keep the company afloat and wasn't telling anyone! I've also seen the lazy mother of 4 with no desire to work. I've seen it all and I don't paint them all with a broad brush like you seem to do! you need to stop looking down your nose at these people because you probably ain't but 2 paychecks away from where they are!

                kjmgirl

                I spend more than $10 a week on milk and that's just for my husband.

                That's you, right???

                but if you think it's bad here take a look at truly 3rd world countries and stop @!$%#ing about people not being able to "live" on $70 a week for food!

                Make up your mind!!! At one point you understand how expensive it is, and on the other side it's "at least it's not a third world county, stop B*&ching"??? Unreal!

                • 3 votes
                #9.21 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:03 PM EDT
                Boudicea

                Yes, I have said it's expensive and I've offered suggestions as to how to make it cheaper. For example, a garden - which you went OFF about. Coupons, sales, buying in bulk, food banks, etc but you've found something wrong with EVERYTHING. What do you want? You want me and every other American to just hand over our paychecks to others? Then we won't be able to feed OUR families! You're the one, this time, who is a party of "No."

                • 4 votes
                #9.22 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:24 PM EDT
                Apples

                Make up your mind!!! At one point you understand how expensive it is, and on the other side it's "at least it's not a third world county, stop B*&ching"??? Unreal!

                It seems to me that kjmgirl understands how expensive it is to eat/ drink whatever you like, but families who do not have that luxury can STILL obtain nutritious food on a food stamp only budget. Obviously, if you're watching costs, you shouldn't be buying $10/week of milk. In a 3rd world country, on the other hand, you have limited funds and even more limited choices. Seems the USA is the place to be.

                Thus, both statements are equally true, unlike many of your statements such as: people with fire escapes can't grow any food, people on food stamps can't afford to eat, etc.

                • 4 votes
                #9.23 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:26 PM EDT
                OBAMA-FAN

                kjm,

                You want me and every other American to just hand over our paychecks

                Never said that. Some compassion for those less fortunate would be a great start though! The only idea I've shot down was the window sill vegetable garden! That's the only one, and with good reason, IMO! I never said anything against "Coupons, Sales, or buying in bulk" because you didn't mention them, at least not in anything directed towards me!

                Then we won't be able to feed OUR families! You're the one, this time, who is a party of "No."

                O.K. now your just not making any sense at all! And your little political reference is not cute nor relevant. This is not a political issues. Making it political is how people disassociated themselves from having to empathized with people trying to making on food budget of $68. If it's political it's just "Welfare, handouts, for lazy people!" you get to yell things like "Get a job!" Or "You want me and every other American to just hand over our paychecks" Acting like that could never be you! If you actually empathized with them you would see that it's not that unlikely for you to be the next one swiping your benefits card hoping that the total didn't exceed $68!

                • 2 votes
                #9.24 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:46 PM EDT
                Super Ultra

                You know, some food stamp recipients can't afford to look upon 10 dollars worth of milk as a luxury. A great many of them do have growing children that NEED that much milk to grow. Just thought I'd point that out. I understand where Obama Fan is coming from. It's really tough being poor and though some people have the ability to dig themselves out of it (me for example) it's a hard row to hoe and their privations make some things that would seem pretty easy for most people, almost impossible for some of them. It's not a matter of excuses(in some cases), it's a matter of circumstances. Sure we've had some good suggestions here, and some people will be able to follow those and benefit from them, but we know that there are some for whom the tips will not be feasible. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to come up with some solutions though.

                • 2 votes
                #9.25 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:04 PM EDT
                OBAMA-FAN

                super,

                Very well stated.

                I stated in a previous comment that I spent the first 22yrs of my life in a housing project in NYC. Now married and 2 kids later, i'm in a 6 bdrm 4,000+sq ft house, my wife doesn't have to work, and college tuition is not a problem when the kids are college age. Did I get lucky? No, I worked my a$$ off, but i did have people that pushed me. Not everyone has/had the same support system or set of "Circumstances" conducive to a prosperous future. Some short-sighted people don't get this.

                • 3 votes
                #9.26 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:54 PM EDT
                Apples

                You know, some food stamp recipients can't afford to look upon 10 dollars worth of milk as a luxury. A great many of them do have growing children that NEED that much milk to grow.

                We are mammals; and, like all mammals milk is only required at infancy. Kids can obtain calcium in other foods they eat- most being Ca2+ enriched at this point- such as cheese and yogurt, which are much less expensive than milk. Did you know that in many parts of Asia people don't drink milk past infancy, yet their children still grow.

                It was also suggested that in lieu of milk, people could take vitamins.

                • 2 votes
                #9.27 - Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:53 PM EDT
                Super Ultra

                I just want to point out that you can't buy vitamins with food stamps, and no, yogurt is not cheaper than milk. I happen to have both yogurt and milk on hand and did some math. A 6 oz serving (typical of individual yogurts and this is store brand and therefore pretty cheap as far as yogurts go) has 20 percent of the daily value of calcium for an adult. I am pretty sure a child needs more, but let's just go with the adult stats because that's what I have. This yogurt cost me 59 cents plus tax for one serving. My gallon of milk provides 30 percent of a daily allowance of calcium and has 16 servings therein. It costs 3.19 cents plus tax. Therefore you get more calcium and more servings cheaper with the milk. Just sayin....milk's cheaper than yogurt because once you've gone past 7 servings of yogurt you're spending more dough than you spent on the gallon of milk, with less servings and calcium to boot. I'm just trying to work in the parameters of what saves the most money with the biggest nutritional boost here.

                • 1 vote
                #9.28 - Fri Apr 16, 2010 7:49 PM EDT
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                OBAMA-FAN

                This is such a crock of $hit! My wife spends $10 a week on milk alone! Do these Chefs have children? Better yet, do they have active children. My oldest runs track and plays soccer. She eats well, but she eats a lot. Fruit is another $20 a week! My kids don't really do "junk." They are just not really sugar monsters. My wife makes ice cream, cookies, and other pastries from scratch, but they end up going bad before they're eaten. We buy in bulk to save, and we are in a position that we don't really have to pinch pennies with regards to food, but I can see how $68 for food for a family of 4 would be difficult to do to say the least. I haven't always been financially comfortable. I spent the first 22yrs of my life in a NYC Housing Project, so I had my share of Miracle whip sandwiches. We were never on welfare or any government assistance, no section 8, my parents had to pay market value (for the area) for our apartment when the people next door were paying a fraction. $68 back then would have been a stretch, I can't imaging making it on $68 these days!

                • 7 votes
                Reply#10 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:02 PM EDT
                Boudicea

                I spend more than $10 a week on milk and that's just for my husband. Of course, there are options like dried or evaporated milk, and the WIC program also provides milk, but if you are considering the entire food budget I don't think it's gonna happen including dairy. IF you are talking strictly food, I guess it could work

                • 3 votes
                #10.1 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:18 PM EDT
                OBAMA-FAN

                IF you are talking strictly food, I guess it could work

                Yeah! We haven't even gotten to toilet paper, toothpaste, feminine products, etc. Oh but you can't buy those with food stamps.

                Non-food items. This list is obviously expansive and includes personal hygiene products, home products, cleaning products, toys, and basically anything that cannot be consumed as food.

                To me, that is just ridiculous!

                • 2 votes
                #10.2 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT
                Boudicea

                Well to be fair, this article IS exclusively about food, not paper products....

                • 2 votes
                #10.3 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:17 PM EDT
                Apples

                The article clearly states that the intention of food stamps is to supplement the food budget, not be the entire food budget. For the sake of argument, they tried to buy food based on the average weekly allowance, but the assumption is that people have to provide some support for themselves.

                • 3 votes
                #10.4 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:18 PM EDT
                OBAMA-FAN

                Ap,

                Relax, we all read the article and know what it says. I am discussing this issue in the realm of reality, where out of the 39 million people collecting food stamps how many of them are using food stamps to "supplement" an income and how many rely on this as their only sourceof income?

                kjm,

                I get that the article is talking about food only, but like I said the reality is not that people are using food stamps to help get by, for many it's their only source of income. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying that it just is, and for someone not to be able to by the basic hygienic necessities is odd to me.

                • 4 votes
                #10.5 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:46 PM EDT
                Pirate C

                Obama-Fan Ill buy some of that homemade ice cream. My mom used to make Peach ice cream from scratch and OMG it was the best. The only premade ice cream that has ever gotten close to it is Breyers all natural peach ice cream.

                  #10.6 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:52 AM EDT
                  Apples

                  Ap,

                  Relax, we all read the article and know what it says. I am discussing this issue in the realm of reality, where out of the 39 million people collecting food stamps how many of them are using food stamps to "supplement" an income and how many rely on this as their only sourceof income?

                  And if they do rely solely on it, then they can still eat with just food stamps. I can agree that if families can buy soda and junk food with food stamps, they should be able to buy maxi pads too, but that doesn't negate the fact that food stamps are meant to supplement income. If you're on food stamps you're probably also on either welfare or UI, so you have some income to buy incidental tampons. Remember, you die without food, you're uncomfortable without feminine hygiene products.

                  • 2 votes
                  #10.7 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:39 PM EDT
                  OBAMA-FAN

                  Pirate,

                  Obama-Fan Ill buy some of that homemade ice cream. My mom used to make Peach ice cream from scratch and OMG it was the best. The only premade ice cream that has ever gotten close to it is Breyers all natural peach ice cream.

                  LOL...Isn't it the best!!!

                  • 1 vote
                  #10.8 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:48 PM EDT
                  Super Ultra

                  Man I remember summertime at my paternal grandparent's house. Lots of chilled watermelon, BBQ, and a freezer full of homemade peach and strawberry ice cream. The best stuff in the world.

                  • 1 vote
                  #10.9 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:06 PM EDT
                  TheJonesGirl

                  A former coworker has a summer party each year and one of the most loved traditions is the hand-churned vanilla ice cream. We all take turns churning, soooo good!

                  • 1 vote
                  #10.10 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:18 PM EDT
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                  Bighorn

                  If you combine your SNAP program with the local food share/bank you can eat very well as most food share outlets provide daily basics ( bread & produce ) plus you can get a monthly box that will provide good balanced meals for several days.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#11 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:08 PM EDT
                  nmbg

                  Man, there sure are a lot of people here today who know the ins and outs of Food Stamps. This is getting pretty scary.

                    Reply#12 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:21 PM EDT
                    zanilth

                    I make about 400 bucks more a month than I would need to qualify for a family of 8.... I've got a family of three, but my family is still not even considered middle class...

                    I wish I could get foodstamps lol. E5 in the military doesn't get paid all THAT much.

                    • 2 votes
                    #12.1 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:13 PM EDT
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                    JanayB

                    I can't say that I know how a family of four would live off of $68.88 a week-BUT I remember back in the day when I had to live off of $10 a week. How'd I do it?

                    I bought 3 12 packs of Ramen noodles for 3 dollars, A pack of sugar for 2.50, Kool-aid for $3, and a pack of hotdogs (to add into my noodles) for $1.

                    You do what you have to do to survive.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#13 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT
                    Pirate C

                    I remember the days when I lived off of ramen, cup o noodles, hottdogs, mac n cheese and beans.
                    It sucked but in a way there is some nostalgia in those memories more like pride because I didnt have to ask for help I made do on my own.

                    • 1 vote
                    #13.1 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:45 AM EDT
                    JanayB

                    way there is some nostalgia in those memories more like pride because I didnt have to ask for help I made do on my own.

                    Exactly! They were hard times but I made it through.

                    • 3 votes
                    #13.2 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:21 PM EDT
                    Super Ultra

                    After my mother divorced my dad,my sister and I went so hungry that to us a packet of hot sauce in a drawer was a feast. I cannot stand to eat bologna or ramen to this day because that's all we ate (when there was any food at all.) Seriously, I would have to be very close to dying of starvation to consider it. Mom never got any food stamps and always worked full time, but as a child I would have much rather had her get stamps if it meant eating 3 times a day.

                    • 1 vote
                    #13.3 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:11 PM EDT
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                    MTiger

                    LOL, I find this article funny as hell. I live in Philadelphia, PA and the welfare mom's eat like kings. They get discount housing(section 8 and PHA), don't have to pay for electric or heating during the seasonings. There's a woman on my block that has 2 kids, a toddler and a teenage daughter(high school drop-out). Now the teenage daughter has a kid also. The mother gets money for herself and the three kids. She also has two cars, cable tv, etc. I know for a fact that NO family on welfare gets that small amount of money. Here in Philadelphia, they chicks get paid twice a month. I know that woman is clearing about $1500 a month plus she's getting extra money on the side. The welfare mother's here in Philadelphia eat very well. I see them buy bottled water, steak, seafood platters, you name it they have it in their cart. Here I am working 45 hours a week and I can't afford bottled water(I drink tap), or afford the luxury of owning a car let alone TWO cars. I say, what the hell do a welfare mother need with 2 cars? You don't work, you sitting around bothering neighbors with your simple crap all day long.

                    The people who need welfare in Philadelphia don't get it the help from the government, like the elderly or the unemployed. Like I said before, I know the females and males on welfare here in Philadelphia don't even get that amount of money and they got rid of food stamps. They have Access cards that work just like a debit card. They can buy EVERYTHING now, not restrictions on products anymore. And they don't have to pay taxes either. I say do away with welfare for these women and make them hustle to get a job like the rest of us.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#14 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:38 PM EDT
                    MARofMICH

                    I read this article to gather new ideas on economical food shopping. Cooking your own meals to eat at home and pack your lunch for work has proven to be great way to save money for my family.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#15 - Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:50 PM EDT
                    Boudicea

                    I have to agee with you. Regardless of whether the $69 a week is your only food money or whether it supplements your food money, the bottom line is that people on a tight budget need to stop driving through McDonalds when they're too tired or too lazy to throw a piece of meat into the crockpot in the morning.

                    You can make a pot of chili or chicken soup for next to nothing. Chicken drumsticks go on sale every so often for $1.69 a pound. Stock up the freezer. Use coupons - that ALONE can cut your food bill in half or more. Shop at more than one store if you have to. I have a local market with fabulous prices on meat but very little else. Once a month I do all my meat shopping, then I buy produce, canned goods, etc at a larger store with better prices.

                    My neighbor has 5 boys. Twice a year they go out in the country (about 1 1/2 hours from Pittsburgh) and buy a pig and have it butchered - I think she says it winds up being about 1.30 a pound that way.

                    There are options and they don't all revolve around doing what's easiest.

                    • 3 votes
                    #15.1 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:04 AM EDT
                    Pirate C

                    with grocery sales and coupons I save at least 50% off my bill, one time I had great coupons and the sales were good I bought $150 in grocerys for $50.00
                    Now that is savings..

                    • 1 vote
                    #15.2 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:41 AM EDT
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                    Concerned Citizen-1303521

                    Many CSA (Community Supported Agriculture) programs are now accepting foodstamps. I'm told that those CSA members with foodstamps are allowed to pay weekly as well. Normally we pay upfront at the beginning of the season, and it ends up being between $22 and $27 per week and it has been more than enough for the two of us.

                    If you aren't cooking your own meals and are looking for a way to reduce your food costs, then there is your answer. And honestly, it just tastes better than just about anything you're buying that's made for you.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#16 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:45 AM EDT
                    TheSkeptic-1418965Deleted
                    Pirate C

                    I am just wondering what ever happened to growing your own produce, it doesnt take that much to start a vegetable garden.
                    Hell its what people did in WW1 and WW2 they were called victory gardens. Check it out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_garden just imagine if people did this how much money they would save. It doesn't take that much time to maintain either.
                    I have done it in the past and the vegies that came from it tasted way the hell better then the store bought ones.
                    Sugar snap peas were my favorite they were so good and sweet I would eat them off the vine.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#18 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:38 AM EDT
                    GoldenGateMami_Susi

                    There is a difference between eating well and eating healthily.

                    As Americans, we are conditioned and SPOILED ROTTEN when it comes to the abundance of foods and options available to us.

                    We are food snobs. Face it.

                    We demand the best of everything and when we are faced with downsizing our overfed selves we recoil in fear, in disgust and the typical American, "How dare anyone DENY AMERICANS anything!" "We are AMERICANS dammit!"

                    Get over yourselves.

                    How did Americans eat so well and without all the junk crap we stuff our faces with today when people we're only bringing home $40/week and back then that was a lot of money and they still had children, homes, cars, expenses and managed to do okay and be okay with what hey had and not lived outside their means?

                    No today we aren't happy unless we can spend $70 per person per meal x3 everyday of every week.

                    • 6 votes
                    Reply#19 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
                    Megidoloan

                    Really good points here, too. The difference between then and now is that back then, people cooked from scratch, whereas today, everything needs to be pre-made so it can just be tossed in a microwave and ready in a minute or two. And take-out was a rare treat, not an everyday occurrence.

                    It's simple to eat healthily on $68.88 a week. You just can't buy loads of prepared foods and take-out, which aren't healthy, anyway. You have to actually do your own cooking, and that's what people aren't willing to do.

                      #19.1 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:38 PM EDT
                      GoldenGateMami_Susi

                      Exactly.

                      Foods were not processed. Going out to eat, for the average American family, was reserved for special occasions and only when absolutely necessary.

                      There wasn't this notion that families were just too busy to sit and enjoy at least one meal together.

                      One pot and crock-pot meals are simple ways to create fast, fresh, and healthy meals that dont take much time to prep, they cook themselves all day and all you do is set out your dishes and dinner is served.

                      But like I said, unless it comes from a mall or a box it isn't worthy of our palettes.

                      • 3 votes
                      #19.2 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:53 PM EDT
                      Super Ultra

                      Crock pots are awesome aren't they? I toss a roast in or mix up a batch of gumbo and let it simmer all day, come home, and there's dinner without a hot house (which in summertime here is a blessing.)

                      • 1 vote
                      #19.3 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:19 PM EDT
                      TheJonesGirl

                      Pot roast or corned beef in a slow cooker, there when I come home from a busy day, yum! I've found that a slow cooker can also make a decent mac n'cheese.

                      • 1 vote
                      #19.4 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:22 PM EDT
                      Super Ultra

                      Mac and cheese in a crockpot? Crazy! (might have to give it a whirl).

                        #19.5 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:11 PM EDT
                        GoldenGateMami_Susi

                        Gotta love slow cookers, crock-pots and one pot meals.

                        Nothing better than coming home dead dog exhausted and starving to a house smelling like food and all you have to do is serve and enjoy. And it's healthy and fresh and just yum.

                        Pot roast, mac n' cheese, all sorts of stews, chili, soups, yummies! All sorts!

                        Summers here in Florida means the last thing you want to do is turn on any devices that cause heat or steam.

                        We crock at least 3x a week during the summers here.

                        The best!

                        • 1 vote
                        #19.6 - Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:45 AM EDT
                        SansSerif

                        Oohmygosh i'm sooo excited about my crockpot and the copy of betty crockers slow cooker cook book i just snaged form a friend. that and my wok are the two best things that ever happened to my tiny kitchen in the summer.

                        • 1 vote
                        #19.7 - Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:50 AM EDT
                        GoldenGateMami_Susi

                        :) Sans

                        Me too! They have them on sale here at a local shop I think I'm going to snag up another.

                        Trust me if I can get out of any kind of cooking I'm there.

                        But there is something so satisfying to putting together good ingredients and enjoying something I made and it cost next to nothing.

                        :)

                        • 1 vote
                        #19.8 - Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:41 AM EDT
                        Reply
                        Atsidi

                        People that say something can't be done should not try to get in the way of people that are trying to do something. Failure is a better teacher than not even trying.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#20 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
                        skittles22

                        Grow your own produce and try urban chicken farming!!!! The web is full of information on chicken farming in the city. Depending on where you live (research your city laws) a hen (research your type) can supply about an egg for every 12 hours of sunlight. A baby hen runs $2 or less and will produce eggs for years. Feed is inexpensive (about $5 for a 25 lb bag) which can always be supplemented with food scraps, especially from the garden. Be careful, some foods do funny things to the way eggs taste, do your research. Plus raising chickens teaches children responsibility. They have an understanding where food comes from, not just off a store shelf. And when a hen has finished producing, it's off to the butcher shop! A family of four only needs a couple of hens.

                        But unfortunately, I can hear it now; the response will be "I don't have time for that."

                          Reply#21 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:52 PM EDT
                          Atsidi

                          Chickens are good, we feed a flock of wild pigeons with chicken scratch and it costs about 10 bucks for a 50 lb bag. I have informed them that at some point they might have to pay a price for the free food, but they don't seem to care, they just keep coming back. They are so tame now that they follow me around the yard when I go out just to see if I am doing anything that might interest them I guess.

                          If you are into it, rabbits would be good for an urban setting, or anywhere else. They eat cheap, and a trio of them will produce more meat in a year than raising one calf to butcher size will. We don't do livestock of any kind right now because it is not a necessary thing and any animals we got would most likely just get a name and wind up dying of old age. Necessary for survival would be a different issue.

                            #21.1 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
                            believer-369603

                            "Never give a name to something you might have to eat someday"

                              #21.2 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:46 PM EDT
                              Atsidi

                              Unless you name them things like lunch, dinner, stewed, fried, boiled or things like that.

                              • 1 vote
                              #21.3 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:59 PM EDT
                              skittles22

                              Believer-

                              Another good life lesson for children to learn.

                                #21.4 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:01 PM EDT
                                believer-369603

                                skittles---

                                Yes. Don't name your kids. Might help to keep them in line :-)

                                  #21.5 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
                                  Super Ultra

                                  Rabbits are a good idea, and you don't have to worry about the noise factor that you might have with chickens.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #21.6 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:21 PM EDT
                                  Atsidi

                                  If you have to, food for rabbits is a lot easier to scrounge up too.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #21.7 - Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:39 PM EDT
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                                  renard

                                  Years ago back during the late 70's during another recession there was a woman in a city called Flint in Michigan that raised rabbit's to for her family to kill, skin, eat, sell the fur and the extra meat.

                                    Reply#22 - Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:18 AM EDT
                                    Common Man-1469728

                                    YUM.

                                      #22.1 - Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:29 AM EDT
                                      Reply
                                      Atsidi

                                      For cheap veggies, get a few mason jars and some cheese cloth. Buy several different varieties of sprout seeds, Alfalfa, radish, cabbage, the list is almost endless. The sprouts are very nutritious and easy to grow. Mung beans make the same bean sprouts you can buy in the store. Brown rice is cheap, as are beans. If meat is desired, chicken quarters often sell for less than a buck a pound and make good stir fry. Eggs are not that expensive either. If you are a city dweller and want cheap meat, don't over look all those pigeons hanging around either. A little platform outside your window, a few seeds of some sort and you have a trap. There is food all around you if you look. Many weeds are edible, fish are for the taking in a lot of places and don't turn your nose up a carp, they are quite tasty if prepared properly.

                                      All you really need for cooking utensils are a wok and a bamboo steamer, with those you can cook anything and in several different ways. Bon Appitite.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#23 - Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT
                                      Stephanie-RN

                                      The budget for my family of five is $75/week and I usually spend closer to $60-$65. We eat healthy too. Nothing is boxed food and very few things are canned. Almost everything is homemade...the only things I haven't quite figured out yet are bread and spaghetti noodles (but I am working on them). The only "luxury" items we buy are Mountain Dew and my husband's favorite cake roll things for when he is at work (keeps him from going to the vending machine.

                                      I use alot of eggs and we eat hamburger three a week. Both are cheaper protein sources. We eat chicken about two times a week b/c it is more expensive. I have also found I can find turkey sausage for the same price as pork sausage, if I look for sales.

                                      We eat alot of fresh fruits and veggies. My kids love their bananas, carrots and celery. We eat lettuce (99 cents/head) at lunch and supper-cheap filler.

                                      We buy bulk cereal and add fruit. We also buy the generic Quaker Oats and then add a little brown sugar.

                                      About a child being lactose intollerant, or worse yet; allergic to both dairy and soy, my daughter falls into that category. She is can't have dairy or soy b/c it upsets her stomach. We buy her "special milk" (that is what she calls it :) ) either on sale or use coupons.

                                      Living on a strict budget really isn't that hard. We have every penny budgeted so we don't overspend. We don't eat out. We don't buy things we don't need from the grocery. Guess what, none of my kids are overweight either. Eating healthy, homemade food has something to do with them being a healthy weight...

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#24 - Sun May 9, 2010 5:41 PM EDT
                                      jm43222

                                      I think it's very possible to eat on that kind of budget. Check out this guy who's doing a month-long experiment where he eats on an average budget of just 50 cents a day. So far, he hasn't starved to death yet!

                                      http://www.dalepower.net/articles/econeating/articles_EconEating_12.html

                                      I didn't think it was possible, but he seems to be holding up well so far!

                                      • 1 vote
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