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Senate probe: Goldman planned to profit from bust

Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:00 PM EDT
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Marcy Gordon, AP Business Writer
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<p>Senate Investigations subcommittee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. briefs reporters on Capitol Hill in Washington, Monday, April 26, 2010, ahead of the Goldman Sachs hearings. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)</p>

Senate Investigations subcommittee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. briefs reporters on Capitol Hill in Washington, Monday, April 26, 2010, ahead of the Goldman Sachs hearings. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

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WASHINGTON — Goldman Sachs developed a strategy to profit from the housing meltdown and reaped billions at the expense of clients, a Senate investigation has found.

Top Goldman executives misled investors in complex mortgage securities that became toxic, investigators for a Senate panel allege. They point to e-mails and other Goldman documents obtained in an 18-month investigation. Excerpts from the documents were released Monday, a day before a hearing that will bring CEO Lloyd Blankfein and other top Goldman executives before Congress.

Blankfein says in his own prepared remarks that Goldman didn't bet against its clients and can't survive without their trust.

The Securities and Exchange Commission this month filed a civil fraud case against the bank, saying it misled investors about securities tied to home loans. The SEC says Goldman concocted mortgage investments without telling buyers they had been put together with help from a hedge fund client, Paulson & Co., that was betting on the investments to fail.

Goldman disputes the charges and says it will contest them in court.

At the hearing, Blankfein will repeat the company's argument that it lost $1.2 billion in the residential mortgage meltdown in 2007 and 2008 that touched off the financial crisis and a severe recession.

He also will argue that Goldman wasn't making an aggressive negative bet — or short — on the mortgage market's meltdown.

"We didn't have a massive short against the housing market, and we certainly did not bet against our clients," Blankfein says in the prepared remarks released by Goldman. "Rather, we believe that we managed our risk as our shareholders and our regulators would expect."

But Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, said Monday: "I think they're misleading the country. ... There's no doubt they made huge money betting against the (mortgage) market."

Goldman "knew of Paulson's involvement in the selection" of securities, Levin told reporters. "They knew Paulson was going short."

"Need to decide if we want to do 1-3 (billion) of these trades for our book or engage customers," a December 2006 e-mail exchange between two Goldman executives says.

On one group of securities, "I'd say we definitely keep for ourselves. On (another), I'm open to sharing to the extent that it keeps these customers engaged with us."

Goldman has fought back against the fraud charges with a public relations blitz aimed at discrediting the SEC's case and repairing the bank's reputation. Some big clients are publicly backing the firm. But its stock has yet to recover from the fall that followed the SEC lawsuit on April 16.

The firm's public relations efforts will be on display Tuesday when the Senate panel hears from Blankfein and Fabrice Tourre, a Goldman trader who the SEC says marketed an investment designed to lose value. The SEC charged Tourre along with Goldman.

Some experts say damage to Goldman's reputation has already been done and might be long-lasting.

Regardless of the outcome of the SEC's case, "Goldman Sachs has lost," said James Cox, a Duke University law professor and securities law expert. "It's lost in the arena of public opinion."

The subcommittee, which is investigating Goldman's role in the financial crisis, provided excerpts of e-mails showing a progression from late 2006 through the full-blown mortgage crisis a year later. Levin said they show Goldman shifted in early 2007 from neutral to a short position, betting that the mortgage market was likely to collapse.

"That directional change is mighty clear," Levin said. "They decided to go gangbusters selling those securities" while knowing they were toxic.

"We have a big short on ...," Tourre wrote in a December 2006 e-mail.

Daniel Sparks, a former head of Goldman's mortgages department, wrote to other executives in March 2007, "We are trying to close everything down, but stay on the short side." Sparks also was scheduled to testify at Tuesday's hearing.

The issue of how much Goldman executives pushed such policies and were aware of the mortgage trading department's practices is a key one emerging before the Senate hearing.

Blankfein "knew about this huge shift (to a short position) that was taking place," Levin said.

The 140-year-old investment house's trading strategy in recent years enabled it to weather the financial crisis better than most other big banks. It earned a blowout $3.3 billion in the first quarter.

Even before the SEC filed its fraud charges, Goldman denied that it bet against clients by selling them mortgage-backed securities while reducing its own exposure to them by taking short positions.

By the Senate subcommittee's reckoning, Goldman made about $3.7 billion from its short positions in several complex mortgage securities called collateralized debt obligations in 2006-2007. The short positions made up about 56 percent of its total risk during the period, the investigators found.

But the company says it lost $1.2 billion when it sold home mortgage securities in 2007 and 2008.

According to a November 2007 internal Goldman e-mail: "Of course we didn't dodge the mortgage mess. We lost money, then made more than we lost because of shorts."

In addition to the $2 billion collateralized debt obligation that's the focus of the SEC's charges against Goldman, the subcommittee analyzed five other such transactions, totaling around $4.5 billion. All told, they formed a "Goldman Sachs conveyor belt," the Senate panel said, that dumped toxic mortgage securities into the bloodstream of the financial system.

The firm's correspondence to the SEC dated Oct. 4, 2007, includes this: "During most of 2007, we maintained a net short subprime (mortgage) position and therefore stood to benefit from declining prices in the mortgage market."

In his prepared remarks, Blankfein acknowledges, "We have to do a better job of striking the balance between what an informed client believes is important to his or her investing goals and what the public believes is overly complex and risky."

He adds, "If our clients believe that we don't deserve their trust, we cannot survive."

Charles Elson, chairman of the University of Delaware's Weinberg Center for Corporate Governance, questioned the panel's decision to publish results of its inquiry just as lawmakers were starting to vote on sweeping financial overhaul legislation.

"It becomes political theater," Elson said. "The issues are worth raising, but the timing is the trouble."

In a 57-41 vote Monday evening, the Senate failed to get the 60 supporters needed to proceed on the legislation. But bipartisan talks on the bill are continuing, with Democrats believing that public pressure and the scent of a Wall Street scandal wafting from the Goldman case have given them the upper hand. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid may call for a new vote as early as Tuesday.

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enigma

If these @!$%#s speak, you know it's a lie.

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:43 PM EDT
BZe1

Why didn't the administration in power at that time address the issue of 'shorting' when other countries were addressing that issue?

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:01 PM EDT
Chuck1968

and yet the GOP is going to filibusater any attempt regulation.wtf? !

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:12 PM EDT
Ripley8

they were pushing it from 2002 when the word housing bubble first made it to the hill.

heck in 2001 Edward Gramlich put up a warning flag !

Edward M. Gramlich, a Federal Reserve governor who died in September, warned nearly seven years ago that a fast-growing new breed of lenders was luring many people into risky mortgages they could not afford.

But when Mr. Gramlich privately urged Fed examiners to investigate mortgage lenders affiliated with national banks, he was rebuffed by Alan Greenspan, the Fed chairman.

In 2001, a senior Treasury official, Sheila C. Bair, tried to persuade subprime lenders to adopt a code of "best practices" and to let outside monitors verify their compliance. None of the lenders would agree to the monitors, and many rejected the code itself. Even those who did adopt those practices, Ms. Bair recalled recently, soon let them slip.

And leaders of a housing advocacy group in California, meeting with Mr. Greenspan in 2004, warned that deception was increasing and unscrupulous practices were spreading.

John C. Gamboa and Robert L. Gnaizda of the Greenlining Institute implored Mr. Greenspan to use his bully pulpit and press for a voluntary code of conduct.

"He never gave us a good reason, but he didn't want to do it," Mr. Gnaizda said last week. "He just wasn't interested."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/business/18subprime.html

why didn't they put in the regulation that republican Phil Gramm slipped in in 99 ? greed , fast profit ........ and for those who blame Fannie and Freddie ?


Cox, Greenspan, Snow Agree: Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae Did Not Cause The Financial Crisis

According to conservatives, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae's audacity to loan to low-income Americans is to blame for the current financial crisis. During the final presidential debate, for example, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) called the lending giants "the catalyst for this housing crisis."

Today in a House Oversight Committee hearing with former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan, SEC chairman Christopher Cox, and former Treasury secretary John Snow, Rep. John Mica (R-FL) revived that argument. He also tried to tie the crisis to Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), holding up a chart called "Follow the Money Trail." He pointed that Obama has been the largest recipient of donations from Freddie and Fannie. (Actually, he's the second highest.)

Committee chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) chastised Mica for trying to turn the financial crisis into a political issue. He noted that Freddie and Fannie "certainly played a role" in the current situation, but then asked the witnesses, "Do any of you believe that they were the cause of this financial crisis?" All three men said no. Watch it:

Federal housing data back up this conclusion that "the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis." As Center for American Progress Senior Fellows Michael S. Barr and Gene Sperling explain, Freddie and Fannie weren't even securitizing subprime mortgages en-masse until 2005:

The subprime boom was led by investment banks and mortgage brokers, not by government-sponsored enterprises. Fannie and Freddie became unhinged in the middle of this decade when they tried to play catch-up. Their shareholders and managers pushed them to recover the securitization market share they had lost to unregulated investment banks getting absurd AAA ratings for packaging subprime dross. From 2005 to 2008, Fannie Mae purchased or guaranteed $270 billion in loans to risky borrowers triple the amount in all its earlier years combined.

As Center for Economic and Policy Research co-director Dean Baker has written, "Fannie and Freddie got into subprime junk and helped fuel the housing bubble, but they were trailing the irrational exuberance of the private sector. They lost market share in the years 2002-2007, as the volume of private issue mortgage backed securities exploded." More here on "how did this happen."

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=facts+behind+freddie+mac+and+fannie+mae&aq=f&aqi=&oq=

  • 9 votes
#1.3 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:20 PM EDT
usa1

Goldman Sachs new advertising motto "your pain is our gain".

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:34 PM EDT
economics101

So all you guys worried about "socializing" the banks were wrong after all - how could the government possibly be worse than these scumbags? Frankly, Osama Bin Laden should be calling them for advice since they not only destroyed the lives of millions of Americans they found a way to defraud them both on the way up and the way down. I think its time the FBI or NY Attorney general starts proceedings under Rico to seize these companies assets and toss their executives and boards in jail for organized fraud against the US public, the government, etc ....

They can start with Paulson and Geithner.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:06 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

Why didn't I hear this from my broker?

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:31 PM EDT
Linda Luke

Goldman Sachs was losing out on goodwill before the SEC actions. And Goldman Sachs culture is the same as Wal-streets culture, and corporations are in this culture mindset, and our politicians have the mindset too, at this late date our society has the same cut throat culture and we are all bleeding. When will lessons be learned?

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:23 AM EDT
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Phil-1006700

Somebody was selling a dead horse and convinced everyone it was a winner and that it would win again. There has to be laws broken so let's hang someone or a politician for allowing this to happen. Google YOU TUBE on fannie Mae and listen to the dems swear how great Fannie Mae and Mac are.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:42 PM EDT
JoulesBeef

i prefer to get my facts from reputable sources.. unless you think loosechange was also reputable.

and while you are watching these youtube videos... how about take note of the date and do some googling.. find the filibuster..find out what actually happpened.

or listen to the gop the same people that said they knew where iraqs wmds were.
the same people that said the recession was in our heads.
the same people that said hcr would force your grandmother to commit suicide.

  • 11 votes
#2.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:14 PM EDT
follow the money

pretty messed up, isnt it joules? Pretty much can guarantee you, they will blame someone else, for their mistakes, but if you were paying attention? Oh, and the power of the web,

we can uncover most of their records, remember the enron scandal in 02? who will forget that one??

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:50 AM EDT
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Scott-377513

Where are the teabaggers on this?

  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:18 PM EDT
JoulesBeef

i'm sure they are against picking on goldman

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:15 PM EDT
bonos_rama

They are out in Arizona protesting the gov't stomping on American rights via the immigration bill.

Just kidding! They are probably at a Palin book signing.

  • 8 votes
#3.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:07 PM EDT
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Bubba-939441

There is no law against shorting the market. Investors do it all the time when the market is expected to fall. Geithner comes from Wall St and he's made millions shorting the market. Obama didn't have a problem accepting 1 million from Goldman. Now, all of sudden, Goldman is the bad boy. The Fed has nothing on them.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:27 PM EDT
netprophet

i'm not sure...yes, you're allowed to short the market to cover your ass / manage your risk, but were they doing that while selling the mortgage securities that they knew were going downhill fast to their clients???

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:35 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"while selling the mortgage securities that they knew were going downhill fast to their clients???"

Good point, but is illegal to short the same mortgages you sell?

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:46 PM EDT
JoulesBeef

bubba it is if you represent the crap you are selling as AAA when you believe it to be a lot less than.

as for obama getting money from goldman.. that is the employees of the firm doing wtf they want with their own money.. it is not the corp goldman sacs. besides as we have seen for the past 15 years..THE BIG MONEY IS IN PACS.. the corps can give as much as they want to pacs.
soft money is where the big money is.

but amazing you manage to slight the obama admin for going after someone who donated to him.. in normal reality that would show a sign of integrity on obamas part,, but in the hyper partisan gop world no matter what he does it is evil.

  • 9 votes
#4.3 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:20 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"as for obama getting money from goldman.. that is the employees of the firm doing wtf they want with their own money."

You are correct, close to 1 million. And those are the same employees who received bonuses with our tax money.

  • 2 votes
#4.4 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:51 PM EDT
Chuck1968

Good point, but is illegal to short the same mortgages you sell?

It is illegal to manipulate the market.

Goldman sachs created MBS that were designed to fail and then bet against them.

and you see nothing wrong with this?

And those are the same employees who received bonuses with our tax money.

yes and the SEC is trying to get it back because the entire crises was created by this fraud ...and your problem with this is?

  • 4 votes
#4.5 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:14 PM EDT
Ripley8

Bubba-939441

"as for obama getting money from goldman.. that is the employees of the firm doing wtf they want with their own money."

You are correct, close to 1 million. And those are the same employees who received bonuses with our tax money.

bush got money from Goldman too !!

as for those bonuses ? bubbie needa a lesson in law..

As to who let the business execs get bonuses ? actually Bush did .

In numerous instances on March 17, media reporting on American International Group's (AIG) employee retention bonus packages highlighted the situation currently faced by the Obama administration but did not point out that it was the Bush Treasury Department that worked with the Federal Reserve in carrying out last year's bailouts and bought AIG stocks notwithstanding the existence of these bonus contracts.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200903170032

When Obama came into office they still were dealing with handing out the Bush stimulus.
It was written into the first bail out , To not do so would have seen this administration sued .( which was still in the first few months handing out the Bush funds ... you don't think it's handed out all at once do you ? Obama's bail out isn't even finished yet.. http://projects.propublica.org/tables/stimulus-spending-progress )

what did dems try to do ?

Dodd's original amendment would have banned the bonuses altogether; that's clearly what Dodd was trying to accomplish. But then in conference, Treasury lawyers told Geithner that unless an exception was made to allow bonuses already promised by contract, the Government could face many expensive and time-consuming lawsuits. These would be lawsuits that the employees would ultimately win (the contracts were apparently not ambiguous), and the courts would order the bonuses turned over anyway. Geithner told Dodd this and Dodd changed the amendment.

So the main difference in outcomes between Dodd's original amendment and Dodd's new amendment (with Geithner's change) is that currently, the employees get the money without a fight. Whereas with the original amendment, the employees would have had to fight for the bonuses in court. yet still would have won it.

  • 7 votes
#4.6 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:23 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"bush got money from Goldman too !!"

Of course he did and I'm not defending Bush. Obama promised change then he takes more from Goldman than Bush did.

    #4.7 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:46 PM EDT
    usa1

    Bottom line Bush picked Paulson (Goldman Sachs executive) to head the fed reserve

    • 6 votes
    #4.8 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:55 PM EDT
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    Marcel Villa

    This is just one of the reasons why majority of the republicans who supports business interests as the guiding rod towards better government should not be voted into office. Business is business and profit is their main agenda. Be it banks, financial institutions or a manufacturing or industrial industry....profit is their main agenda. No business are started so it can be arranged to fail. In order not to fail it must gain profit. In order to be heathy it needs a lot of profit. In order to satisfy it's stockholders and justify millions of bonus payments to its executive board, it must acquire enormous profit margins after taxes. These businesses use their political arm to achieve this ends. Most republicans represents this political arm. If still viners don't get the message then I hope you people will fry on your own oil for the next time it happens you may be the one that's hurting because the others is already down on their knees and could not be hurt anymore.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:32 PM EDT
    SouthernGentlemanDeleted
    JoulesBeef

    before you puke.. you might want to get informed and I dont mean from some stupid youtube video.

    At any rate 80% of the failures came from banks NOT REGULATED by the government. There is actually a direct negative correlation between size of failure and amount of government oversight

    It really doesnt fly with the GOPs narrative.

    • 6 votes
    #5.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:22 PM EDT
    mac-525423

    Whatever...Goldman gave Obama much, much more than McCain, Democrats are just as greedy as Republicans, what is Palosi worth....64 million? This is a smoke and mirror show, Goldman has always been the politicians choice for investing. Investment firms are hurting because older small investors are cashing out their investments, younger people are opting out of their 401K's, all because politicians and large investment firms have scammed the small investors. This is just a show to sucker small investors into re-investing. Greed is a sickness that we promote and admire, it is just as rampant in the Democrat party as it is in the Republicans. Greedneedy people do more damage to this country than terrorists, rapists and drug addicts put together, yet there are no laws against it! Of course there would be laws against it, except the people who make the laws are the most guilty, and would have to go to jail. Be smart, don't invest in the stock market unless you have millions and a large staff to advise you. There are plenty of other places to invest where you can manage your own funds.

    • 3 votes
    #5.3 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:25 PM EDT
    JoulesBeef

    W/e? they are being investigated.. and you want to make it out to be a bad thing?

    everyone gave more to the dems than the GOP.. did you miss it.. they were on their way out.. only idiots gave to the GOP

    and you dont give a @!$%# you are demonising employees? i guess when you go to work at a corp you lose the ability to donate?

    hey if you want to list executive donations.. fine.. but drop the whole spin "goldman gave obama such and such money" cause it is the employees of goldman making the less than the max contribution to obama.


    CORPS CAN NOT DONATE TO CANDIDATES.. THEY CAN ONLY FORM PACS.

    you probably have a point on greed.. but neither of yall have prove your points and it is laughable you are attacking a man for actually going after a corp that employs his contributors.

    • 4 votes
    #5.4 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:36 PM EDT
    hotlink

    Whatever...Goldman gave Obama much, much more than McCain

    That's because McCain is going senile at nearly the speed of light. Would you have really given your own money to the fool? And I say this as a conservative.

    Think of McCain as Elvis. You have young sexy Elvis, and you have older fat drugged up not sexy at all Elvis. Which one would you rather pay money to see sing? Young and sexy, or old and fat?

    'Cause essentialy what we have right now with "i'm a maveri... wait what am I?" McCain isn't working.

    • 1 vote
    #5.5 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:16 PM EDT
    Chuck1968

    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Wall Street. And now they are doing the reform? Are you kiddin' me?

    Excuse me while I puke.

    Excuse me while I puke at yet another incorrect insinuation that F/F are at the root of this crises.

    it's capitalists plain and simple. They need rules.. but the GOP is STILL stupidly trying to obstruct so they can f*ck us all in the a$$ again...way to go morons!

    • 4 votes
    #5.6 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:19 PM EDT
    Ripley8

    SouthernGentleman

    Dodd and Frank, (democrats I believe) were the main congressional pawns in this thing, playing along with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Wall Street. And now they are doing the reform? Are you kiddin' me?

    Excuse me while I puke.

    seems the southern gentleman can not read and swallows Fox rhetoric ..

    and yet #4.6 is above his post ! some choose to remain uninformed ... as fox news viewers have proven.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/16/daily-show-fox-knowledge/

    • 3 votes
    #5.7 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:06 PM EDT
    Ripley8

    goldman gave more to Bushco than Kerry. yet Bushco didn't , unlike Obama , go after goldman.

    hhhhmmm

    • 3 votes
    #5.8 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:09 PM EDT
    GumbyDammitDeleted
    Ripley8

    mmmmm wrong gumby. it was a con congress that did not.

    • 4 votes
    #5.10 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT
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    netprophet

    When Michael Lewis was talking about his book "The Big Short" the only think that sounded like complete bull@!$%# was his assertion that the leaders at Goldman didn't know that these securities were toxic. That assertion seems to be....bull@!$%#..............shocker. I'll be looking to see what Lewis has to say about this...

    • 2 votes
    Reply#6 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:39 PM EDT
    chip-932587

    Geithner never worked in the private sector. This is only a myth

      Reply#7 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:40 PM EDT
      ladybmore

      I don't where the teabaggers at, but the GOP is with wall street an not for reform to help main street. The market was even waiting for the DEMS to vote, hoping the GOP would block it. Now watch the stock market Tuesday, and watch it rebound with the success of a GOP filibuster, it'll tell you who side the GOP is on. McConnell and Bonner must have been offered a lot to block that vote, along with 1 democrat Ben Nelson.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#8 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:44 PM EDT
      SouthernGentlemanDeleted
      ARodg

      Campaign contributor *cough*

      • 1 vote
      Reply#10 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:13 PM EDT
      JoulesBeef

      cough cough.. employees of said business gave him money.

      cough cough cough.. only with republicans can investigating a campaign contributor be instead of a sign of integrity but be a sign of corruption.

      they would much rather have the bush days when he put anti regulatory people as corporate watch dogs and we saw the US record low for investigations into SEC violations.

      • 5 votes
      #10.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:30 PM EDT
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      Kindling

      Sounds like shrewd business.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#11 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:34 PM EDT
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      neoatg

      I don't know were you nuts keep getting this Freddy and fanny were the main cause of the collapse crap but it's not true. If you read up on the collapse and not just from far right sources you will find out there played a roll but it was a MINOR one. These two groups were part of the collapse but there were dozen of other things that played a much more significant role . Deregulation, corruption of the rating agencies, Wall street firms betting against each other, Private lending agencies, and many more played a much more substantive role in the collapse.

      I understand why you want to inflate the role of Freddy and fanny but all that does is lead to covering up the real main causes and let them do this all over again.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#13 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:47 PM EDT
      hotlink

      In his prepared remarks, Blankfein acknowledges, "We have to do a better job of striking the balance between what an informed client believes is important to his or her investing goals and what the public believes is overly complex and risky."

      He adds, "If our clients believe that we don't deserve their trust, we cannot survive."

      Hmmm, essentially, you devise a scheme to make a profit by selling an item to a customer while betting it kills the customer. And if the customer dies, you win. Yeah, who could possibly trust you after that?

      Really I would be looking to see what brave corporations still keep their money with GS, and back away from them.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#14 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:10 PM EDT
      Beckyal

      this is a larger scale but all those people who purchased homes that they could not afford thinking that they would sale the home before the mortagage rate jumped contributed to fall of the economy. freddie mac and fannie mae should be held responsible for giving loans to people who could not afford them. fix fannie and freddie and the go after other companies. our government needs fixing before they try to fix private companies.

        Reply#15 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:24 PM EDT
        Night-1021999

        Beckyal

        Fannie and Freddie's is a Trump up talking point that Sean Hannity came up with when the Democrat started talking about Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and Glass–Steagall Act .

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act

        I am sorry to tell you but the bank had to sine the contract as well after the lone officer look to see if the info on the contract was 100%.

        • 2 votes
        #15.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:05 PM EDT
        Ripley8

        it came from the deregulation set by Phil Gramm in 99. before that it was hard to get a home loan. even with the ease of restrictions. I personally know !! Banks still checked your credit and wanted X amount down and did mortgage payment / income ratio and placed you in a home YOU COULD AFFORD .

        the repeal of Glass-Steagall made it easier for banks to loan. they became more willing to invest in poor areas as a result . instead of jacking up interest to do so. In 99 republican Phil Gramm inserted legislation, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, allowing commercial banks, investment banks, and insurers to merge.

        Shortly after George W. Bush was elected president, Congress and President Clinton were trying to pass a $384 billion omnibus spending bill, and while the debates swirled around the passage of this bill, Senator Phil Gramm clandestinely slipped a 262-page amendment into the omnibus appropriations bill titled: Commodity Futures Modernization Act. It is likely that few senators read this bill, if any. The essence of the act was the deregulation of derivatives trading (financial instruments whose value changes in response to the changes in underlying variables; the main use of derivatives is to reduce risk for one party). The legislation contained a provision -- lobbied for by Enron, a major campaign contributor to Gramm -- that exempted energy trading from regulatory oversight. Basically, it gave way to the Enron debacle and ushered in the new era of unregulated securities.

        http://losangeles.injuryboard.com/miscellaneous/the-subprime-mess-and-phil-gramm-an-experiment-in-deregulation.aspx

        after 99 ? that disappeared ! juggling started ! Banks and Realtors were all too happy to get you into a 'better' dream. thankfully I had always been frugal and not gullible . It helps to have friends that are Realtors ( they didn't sell in the area I wanted )

        Banks were not forced into anything. Loans were still at their own discretion. they took on those loans and many sold them 3rd party .

        http://ezinearticles.com/?Did-Credit-Default-Swaps-Cause-the-Financial-Market-Meltdown?&id=1691763

        and one of those 3rd parties ? fannie and freddie .

        again this issue was brought up in 2001 - 2002 ... and that con congress ignored it !! as it did again in 2005.

        • 6 votes
        #15.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:20 PM EDT
        Night-1021999

        Ripley8 Outstanding and a good piece. I could not have posted it as well as you have.

        • 2 votes
        #15.3 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:29 PM EDT
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        differnet

        All politics are theater. So, today you have the Republicans voting to hold up financial reform. Brilliant. And just a few hours later, this new bombshell is dropped. The Republicans have made themselves a huge target on this one. Going into the campaign season, now the Democratic candidates can point to every single Republican who voted to stop debate as being with Goldman Sachs.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#16 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:28 PM EDT
        Jeff-Las Vegas

        So we have a lot of comments here but so few relate to the article. I am amazed at how many people are condemning GS just from the allegation by the Senate. There is going to be a court case on the issue and that will decide, to a degree, fault in this. You presently have a lot of politicians getting a lot of press spouting off on the subject- heck - they are guilty and the hearings, their side of the story has not yet been heard. That is the way of the world in Politics- you want to yell loud and often so the press and the public finds them guilty- regardless of what the facts show down the road. I am not at all saying that GS is good or bad in all of this- all we have is allegations. I do think that once all the facts are heard, and perhaps the courts have a chance to rule on it, we may have a better grasp on the truth. The issues are so complex it is hard to know what is right. My gut feeling is that they did profit in all of this but I can not say if that was illegal in action or immoral or just good business. I am pretty sure I do not approve of it all but that is a opinion only, not point of law.

          Reply#17 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:46 PM EDT
          FreeUsFromGovernment

          Look at Congress try to pretend they do not work for the ultra rich who sit behind the Federal Reserve and the financial institutions. This is probably an act to make them look tough. Is Levin against loaning the banks our money at 0%? No. Is he against fractional reserve banking? No. Levin does not think banks need capital to make a loan. He thinks banks should be able to create money out of thin air like he and his cronies at the Federal Reserve do. Levin opposes a monetary system based on gold and promotes this phony and corrupt monetary system we have in place today. Levin and the rest of Congress have done a great job of getting America deep in debt to the banks. They will be getting a nice retirement I am sure.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#18 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:19 PM EDT
          jbdaad

          Senate Investigations subcommittee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. briefs reporters on Capitol Hill in Washington, Monday, April 26, 2010, ahead of the Goldman Sachs hearings. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

          Is he related to Bernie ? Any pictures of them side by side ?

            Reply#19 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:26 PM EDT
            O_reallynow

            Bust his a$$ real good and my need professional help to ? LOONEY TUNES

              Reply#20 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:47 PM EDT
              O_reallynow

              Guess it's time to bring the OLD WEST justice in. Just send out a posse to round the a$$ holes up ! Voting, lies, payoffs, scams, and etc. MONEY talks and B.S. walks. Most senator's look older than Ben Franklin !!!!

                #20.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:09 PM EDT
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                KeyserSozeRulz

                The f...ing EU fines MS for 600 M Euros for violating whatever crazy rules they define.

                The US banks and investment firms will pay 0 dollars in fines after conspiring to commit the biggest fraud of all times with this nonsense bogus investment instruments, fake ratings and blind risk management.

                It will all end in pizza. Paid by tax payer dollars.

                Go figure.

                  Reply#21 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:59 PM EDT
                  black spider

                  Quote: Goldman Sachs developed a strategy to profit from the housing meltdown and reaped billions at the expense of clients, a Senate investigation has found.

                  Let's decipher that code:

                  what is really means is:

                  OK, let's get something clear: Goldman's $950,000 contribution to my campaign had nothing to do with me hiring mostly Goldman people to run my cabinet and treasury dept, nor does these Wall street contributions give anyone the right to profit off my stimulus plan. We (actually you stupid taxpayers, ha ha ha) gave them $150 billion in bonuses, but due to my loss in political polls I must go after them, unfortunately, but hey folks: IT's hopey changy time, Capiche? Now that my poll numbers are falling, one may expect me to do the following: begin a plan to hustle votes using my biracial makeup and my understanding of ACORN tactics, sprinkled with some anti_wall street populism.

                  This ought to keep Miss Botox in the high chair and my ass in the White House crib for a while.

                  signed.

                  Barry Hussein Soetoro Muhammed Obama.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#22 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:56 PM EDT
                  economics101

                  And the fact that goldman ran both the GWB and Clinton white houses means they were muslims too?How about Reagan who had a Merill guy run his white House - his middle name as Ahmed??

                  • 6 votes
                  #22.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:34 AM EDT
                  Ripley8

                  and black don't forget .... while all including Obama took funds ?

                  only Obama is doing something about the problem of Sachs. The rest took the funds and did squat !

                  • 3 votes
                  #22.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:22 AM EDT
                  economics101

                  civil fraud charges are a joke - they should be criminal fraud charges against the executives and board of goldman, with the company on the line for Rico (Organized Crime) charges. Then move onto the others like BofA, Citi, Chase, AIG. But so far no one is interested in criminal charges....

                  • 1 vote
                  #22.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:35 PM EDT
                  black spider

                  All three of the last POTUS are guilty as charged. Amen to that.

                  Clinton created 20 million jobs for who? Illegals and govt workers, while wasting the "peace dividend", played around while Al Qaeda planned attacks, too concerned with dozens of scandals, his impeachment and the associated legal fees. Destroyed the banking system with the fraudulent CRA act, in cahoots with ACORN, Obama's first employer.

                  Bush: another Goldman sachs bubble boy. Like Clinton, GW Bush offered treasury jobs to Wall street insiders. They know what they are doing: they own our presidency.

                  Obama, talks about transparency and power to the people, does exactly the opposite. We thought he would help Blacks. Instead, the first and second Black potus have spent most of their time aiding illegal Hispanics.

                  But you have to give Bush credit for one thing Clinton and Obama would not do: go after Islamic terrorists.

                  • 1 vote
                  #22.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:04 PM EDT
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                  Jason-632265

                  Ewww the senate is going to give these guys a tongue lashing just like they did to the oil companies and the auto companies and you know what came from that....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I'm sure hearing each senate member get up and whine in front of them like little bitches so they can go back to thier states and say they did thier part is going to make these guys not want to make billions of dollars next time. Our government, BOTH PARTIES, are a @!$%#ing joke!

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#23 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:14 AM EDT
                  economics101

                  Lets not forget that the banks, and their lawyers and accountants are the #1 campaign contributors ..... not much incentive to "bust" them....

                  • 3 votes
                  #23.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:31 AM EDT
                  Ripley8

                  actually Jason it's the cons who are sitting on their azzes not wanting to do a thing about financial reform.

                  • 4 votes
                  #23.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:23 AM EDT
                  Jason-632265

                  This is just a dog and pony show; these things are put on to keep the public's mind off of the fact that our government can't do anything right. They get up there and bitch and whine and lead people to believe that something will be done but nothing will...

                  • 1 vote
                  #23.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:18 PM EDT
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