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Goldman Sachs exec declares 'I did not mislead'

Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:52 AM EDT
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Marcy Gordon, AP Business Writer
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<p>Senate Investigations subcommittee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. briefs reporters on Capitol Hill in Washington, Monday, April 26, 2010, ahead of the Goldman Sachs hearings. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)</p>

Senate Investigations subcommittee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. briefs reporters on Capitol Hill in Washington, Monday, April 26, 2010, ahead of the Goldman Sachs hearings. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

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WASHINGTON — Top Goldman Sachs officials defended their conduct in the financial crisis on Tuesday, flatly disputing the government's fraud allegations against the giant financial house. "I did not mislead" investors, insisted a trading executive at the heart of the government's case.

But they ran into a wall of bipartisan wrath before a Senate panel investigating Goldman's role in the financial crisis and the Securities and Exchange Commission fraud suit against it and one of its traders. Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan accused Goldman of making risky financial bets that "became the chips in a giant casino."

Fabrice Tourre, a 31-year-old trader at Goldman and the only company official directly accused in the SEC suit — testified that he does not recall telling investors that a Goldman hedge fund client had bought into an investment that soured. Instead, the hedge fund, Paulson & Co., bet against the security — and profited handsomely.

"I deny — categorically — the SEC's allegation," Tourre said. "And I will defend myself in court against this false claim."

Federal regulators said Tourre marketed an investment designed to lose value. In a brash January 2007 e-mail, one of many by him that have come to light, Tourre called himself "The fabulous Fab standing in the middle of all these complex, highly leverage exotic trades."

Tourre told the panel under questioning: "I regret the e-mails. They reflect very bad on the firm and myself. I wish I hadn't sent them."

About a half dozen protesters were in the committee room, dressed in prison stripes with names on signs around their necks of Tourre and Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein, who was also scheduled to testify. "Fabulous Fab is not so fab when he takes from the poor," the protesters spoke as a chorus before the hearing started. "We want to see these guys behind bars."

Ten days after the SEC action, the panel is looking into allegations that Goldman used a strategy that allowed it to profit from the housing meltdown and reap billions at the expense of clients.

Levin, the committee chairman, said actions by Goldman Sachs wreaked havoc on the economy. "Its conduct brings into question the whole system of Wall Street," Levin said.

He pressed Daniel Sparks, former head of Goldman's mortgages department, on whether the company felt it had a moral obligation to disclose to clients that it was making side bets against the same risky investments it was selling to them.

Sparks said the clients "should look at the assets themselves" that made up the mortgage-based securities they were buying. "Clients who did not want to participate in that deal did not," he said of one particular transaction.

Levin also asked Sparks about a $1 billion product called Timberwolf that Goldman sold to investors while betting against it. Levin cited an e-mail sent to Sparks from another Goldman executive using an expletive to describe Timberwolf as "one s----y deal."

"Your top priority is to sell that s----y deal," Levin said. "Come on, Mr. Sparks, should Goldman Sachs be trying to sell a s----y deal?"

"I didn't use that term," the Goldman executive responded.

Criticism of Goldman's behavior came from both sides of the aisle.

Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, the top Republican on the panel, said Goldman officials were "celebrating the collapse of the housing market when the reality for millions of Americans is loss of homes and disappearing jobs."

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said that while there may not be proof that Goldman did anything illegal, a reading of e-mails from Goldman officials bragging about profiting from bets against the housing market showed "there's no doubt their behavior was unethical and the people will render a judgment as well as courts."

And Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., accused Goldman of "pure and simple raw gambling."

The hearing came as the Senate grapples with Democratic-sponsored legislation to overhaul the nation's financial regulation system and prevent another meltdown. The legislation would crack down on the kind of lightly regulated housing market investments that helped set off the crisis.

On Wall Street, Goldman's stock rose as much as $4.16 early in the hearing, but pulled back as the wider market declined. Still, it was one of the relatively few winning stocks, rising 88 cents, or 0.6 percent, to $152.91.

Edward Yardeni, an independent market analyst, said investors may have been reassured by the fact that the testimony hadn't revealed new details about the bank's dealings in risky investments.

"Despite the interrogation, the Goldman team hasn't really provided any new information," Yardeni said.

The SEC says Goldman concocted mortgage investments without telling buyers they had been put together with help from a hedge fund client, Paulson & Co., that was betting on the investments to fail. The agency also charged Tourre.

Goldman disputes the charges and says it will contest them in court.

Blankfein, in prepared testimony, repeated the company's assertion that it lost $1.2 billion in the residential mortgage meltdown in 2007 and 2008 that touched off the financial crisis and a severe recession.

He also argued that Goldman wasn't making an aggressive negative bet — or short — on the mortgage market's meltdown.

"We didn't have a massive short against the housing market, and we certainly did not bet against our clients," Blankfein said. "Rather, we believe that we managed our risk as our shareholders and our regulators would expect."

Levin asserted: "I think they're misleading the country."

The Senate panel provided excerpts of company e-mails showing a progression from late 2006 through the full-blown mortgage crisis a year later. Levin said they show Goldman shifted in early 2007 from neutral to a short position, betting that the mortgage market was likely to collapse.

"That directional change is mighty clear," Levin said. "They decided to go gangbusters selling those securities" while knowing they were sour.

"We have a big short on," Tourre wrote in a December 2006 e-mail.

Sparks wrote to other executives in March 2007, "We are trying to close everything down, but stay on the short side."

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AP Business Writer Stevenson Jacobs in New York contributed to this report.

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Rixar13

He says: "I did not mislead."

Omission is a lie too. "Sin of omission".

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:55 AM EDT
Peter Faden

"I did not mislead" investors..."i just lied to them...i don't understand, isn't that what i was supposed to do?"...."e th th th ics?...never heard of them. they must be Greek or something!"....

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT
Peter Faden

"i heard of Ponzi...wasn't he in Happy Days"

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:14 PM EDT
economics101

The problem with banks and bankers is they live in a culture of dishonesty - ever been truned down for a loan? Did they call you to explain why? Some form letter about check your credit report .... but that might not be why, we don't really know why you didn't get the loan, but we'll call you, don't call us!

This goes up to the investment bankers and executives who run a huge ponzi scheme called capital markets and Fractional Reserve Banking. You know why Madoff did this for so long? because he's doing the same thing as the rest of them - you "invest" in some company, where does the money go? mostly to executives, bankers, interest and fees. Does GE need more "capital", how about Bank of America or Halliburton. They can borrow as much as they could ever need at .5%, so what are they doing with our money?

I won't even get into Fractional Reserve Banking (since all our stock brokers are now able to create money at will and invest it in whatever shady derivatives or other scams they can come up with) which is the scam by which banks create all th money they .end out based on you and me depositing our money as reserves .....

Look at the definition of Fraud:

Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. Fraud may also be made by an omission or purposeful failure to state material facts, which nondisclosure makes other statements misleading.

So how exactly is any of this not fraud - cause they said they didn't "intend" to mislead. Well most of the people in jail for minor frauds didn't intend to mislead, but apparently the burden of proof when you write a bad check or misrepresent yourself in a credit app is pretty low, but for a banker, we believe that they couldn't possibly intend to misrepresent, and if they did, certainly not to gain (Even though they clearly did both a. and b.).

So the only real question is why we don't have the NYC remand centers full of these guys facing criminal charges, instead of this light weight "civil" crap - so they get a fine, big deal! These guys hurt more people than every fraudster since 1900 combined time 100 - by definition criminal acts are those who are more serious than civil and affect serious harm upon the public - so writing a bad check is serious, but stealing Billions is not??? What we should all be worried about is there is nothing in these guys or the clowns in DC to demonstrate that anyone has learned anything from this ... its business as usual....

.... and the statute is fast running out .....

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
1standlastword

Hey Rixart #1

Nice to see ya man.

Fab is the judas goat here and represents the type of business person that has always been around but what is different about him and so--so many others in this 21st century is they have infiltrated the education system and have become educated by very talented people at MBA programs around the country where they learn to create high tech mathematical formulas so advanced that other educated people are totally flummoxed to explain how they do it.

I heard a Hungarian prof. on NPR use the words immoral and legality in the same sentence to highlight this new trend and practice of big business turning peoples' misfortunes into corporate profits that it is clearly immoral but not so clearly illegal. Bottomline is tougher regulation and independent oversite.

The slight-of-hand practiced at Goldman and many other finacial firms is common place today. Did you know that Sallie Mae is-and-has been involved in Casino games with student loans: http://www.examiner.com/printa-2590604~Sallie_Mae_posts_1st-qtr_profit,_increases_lending.html

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT
1standlastword

economics 101

Excellent post. And I am for jail sentences for these crooks. What's more is the corrupt senators like Mitchy Boy...wonder what his motivation is...any guesses??? Anybody???

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:05 PM EDT
VetteLover

What "Dog and Pony Show". Only now does the Levin and his cronies bust the balls of Goldman Sachs. This whole thing smells rotten to the core. It sure did not keep democrats and Republicans alike from taking millions from GS and others!! They no damn well what has been going on and only now do they trumpet their horns as they go for a power grab!

Why does it not bother the liberal democrats that Obama's entire financial adivsor team has emanated from Lehman Bros? They are just as GUILTY as Goldman Sachs!!!! Geitner is a tax cheat and was involved up to his neck in the AIG scam of tens of billions in payouts. Where are ALL OUR VOICES SAYING THIS IS ENOUGH! But if you talk out, you are a racist!

We are being taken for trillions by the politicians and the bankers and we are not doing a damn thing about it! The media is brain washing everyone to keep us distracted.

The real crime is taking place at the Federal Reserve! They are missing Trillions of dollars and refuse to answer ANY QUESTIONS where it has gone!

Audit the Fed - You will find all we need for Obamacare for the next 10 years right there in the pockets of the Fed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/06/fed-inspector-general-kno_n_197934.html

    #1.6 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:53 PM EDT
    economics101

    The entire thing is a big extortion racket ... where do you think the Sopranos leaned it from? The FED operates above the law and should be abolished immediately.

      #1.7 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:19 PM EDT
      Bill-Weeks

      It didn't sound like any laws were broken. In fact as distasteful as GS's business practices might be, it sounded like they were doing their job. It's hard to fault one of the companies we DIDN'T have to bail out.

      What this committee hearing did make clear is just how unequipped the Senate is to understand the complex business of finance. BTW, these folks are the ones that decided WS need a bailout.

      This is political theater to benefit Harry Reid and President Obama. It is not, however, going to help America and American's one bit.

        #1.8 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:43 AM EDT
        economics101

        Like I said, its pretty clear what they were doing was fraud under the criminal definition of the law - which, agreed is vague and hard to figure out, but that doesn't stop tons and tons of fraud charges being laid against customers of banks! These scum were complaining that misrepresentation of income or employment on a mortgage app was fraud - but selling mortgages as AAA credit was not "misleading"???? Why cause their pals at S&P found a loophole using AIG to do it?

        First of all, there is no law that says what they did was legal, we are talking about credit rating and grantin practices - this is all self regulatory stuff here .... S&P and their ratings rules are not the law .... using an insurers credit rating for what they insure is not a law - especially when we know that they can't cover potential claims.

        Ask any defense lawyer how easy it is is to be charged with "fraud" in your dealing with a bank, and this becomes an exercise in two tiered justice. This was clearly fraud - its whether anyone will ever charge them.

        • 3 votes
        #1.9 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:23 AM EDT
        VetteLover

        Selling toxic mortgages to the world as a good investment and then turning around and betting against them knowing that they are not worth @!$%#! That has to be against the law!! I would also think Government Motors telling everyone that they have paid their loan back to the US taxpayer in full with interest five years ahead of schedule would be against the law too! All this is just flagerant in your face lies! Paying Tarp $$ back with from another Tarp escrow account does not count! Debt for equity is not worth spit!! Chicago politics at its best!

        Vote them all out come November

          #1.10 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:36 PM EDT
          Bill-Weeks

          Being charged with fraud is a long way from being found guilty of fraud. I heard the exec's from GS, and they made me sick to my stomach. But I didn't hear anything that convinced me there was sufficient evidence to prosecute. Additionally, I heard something during the hearing that I had not known, Load Blankein-whatever was deposed before the public testimony. I still think this was largely theater and, at the very most, the poor fellow whose e-mail was made public will whipped and fired. And that's very sad commentary on this whole affair.

          When Wall Street says they have innovating products for you, bend over and assume the position.

            #1.11 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:59 PM EDT
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            neoatg

            Did anyone expect them to admit to there crimes? Seriosuly anyone?

            • 9 votes
            Reply#2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:58 AM EDT
            Sick'N'Tired'Of'It

            No, and, I don't expect for them to get charged with anything either- their kind never does. They've already bought the outcome, this is all just a show.

            • 8 votes
            #2.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:23 AM EDT
            gregjarvisExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            their kind never does

            haha, jews.

            • 1 vote
            #2.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT
            mountainmike-1199289

            Gregjarvis:

            Why does antisemitism have to be a part of this discussion?

            • 4 votes
            #2.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
            1standlastword

            Gregjarvis #2.2

            haha, jews.

            Ok Greg...I'm not a Jew but be careful here!!

            Sure Jew's according to history perfected the money lending system but I don't have any evidence that they had malevolent intentions. If I remember correctly it was because of prejudice that they did this to advance ecomomic security amoung their own people.

            • 1 vote
            #2.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:51 PM EDT
            tyler

            haha, jews.

            No value. And your last comment before this is an attack. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 and #5 of the Code of Honor. Don't two-word derail about religion, don't attack other Viners.

            • 1 vote
            #2.5 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:23 PM EDT
            economics101

            The Claim of Jews behind everything is a joke. Mostly they were fronts for "respectable" people who couldn't risk being involved in usury .... a sad joke that we are trying to blame them for this mess now. Jews are no more responsible for banking and usury than Venetians or Africans ....

            • 1 vote
            #2.6 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:26 PM EDT
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            don-1004929

            just having watched this guy Sparks being grilled about this Goldman mess---my immediate thought was " If they are all as slimey, smart, and deceptive as this ground slitherer---I would never do business with them". He was asked a question that a 2nd grader could have answered at least 10 times, and continued to act like he couldnt understand it....I hope they hang all these greedy bastards...

            • 9 votes
            Reply#3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT
            jesse285

            Well it just show to the world what money can do when you don't used it as a TOOL to help the world in the right way, some human think that you can cont to beat down the the little people's with out having a heart! Some people need to rethink what it mean to be Human.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:26 AM EDT
            BComm

            They are guilty until they can prove their innocent, the government should take everything $$$ from them and give back to the people they embezzled from. They should go to prison just like any other criminal, not some prison resort that we taxpayers foot the bill.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#5 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT
            polecat91990

            Welcome to Capitalism: where the scum rise to the top.

            • 9 votes
            Reply#6 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:50 AM EDT
            colonelcolonDeleted
            mountainmike-1199289

            I call it predatory capitalism, and the tendency of predatory capitalism (wild, reckless speculation for the fast buck) will invariably cannibalize itself and lead to boom - bust cycles. So you have a choice, be Republican and say no to reform and expect another recession soon for exactly the same reasons or try to reform Wall Street.

            The Goldman Sachs "modus operandi" (MO) is consulting lawyers and conducting themselves in a scandalous and reckless manner - but just inside the law. The two examples in the news right now are the John Paulsen deal and Goldman Sachs dumping off so many toxic loans on Greece that they are going under.

            I don't think this lawsuit is a strong case but it may create a lynch mob public and press attitude whereby Lloyd Blankfein gets fired and Goldman Sachs wants to redirect themselves.

            • 4 votes
            #6.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:57 PM EDT
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            Brian-497171

            If the guy who constructed and sold an investment fund purposefully designed that fund to fail[because he had privately placed a HUGE bet against it], wouldn't that be the very definition of FRAUD?

            I mean, not a lawyer here but c'mon.

            • 9 votes
            Reply#8 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:12 PM EDT
            redphish

            You would think so.

            • 1 vote
            #8.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:14 PM EDT
            1standlastword

            But the counter argument is when you go casino you know the odds are stacked against you. They are clearly acting immoral but they are doing so within the law as the laws are expressed. We need reform so the laws can be written to protect us against these greed addicts!!!

            Let the sharks have their own pool to swim in so the minow are safe in their own tank

              #8.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:49 PM EDT
              economics101

              Actually, in investment lingo its called "risk" management. The issue is whether they set up a system of creating mortgages they new would fail, and sold them as AAA credit, when they knew damn well they were junk or worse ..... That is clearly fraud, because if I sell you a car that has 300k miles on it, but get some guy to certify that it only has 100k, is that fraud? The problme is that if you charge a few od these scumbags, soon you will have no one left at Goldman, S&P BofA, Citi, AIG, GE, etc .... the DJI would drop to 2000 and the S&P would go to 50. So, since the main role of congress is protesting rich people from the other 95% of us ... not gonna happen ... they will fine some of these guys, make some noise, and everything will go back to normal (for them).

              • 1 vote
              #8.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:07 PM EDT
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              willynilly

              I believe the blame lies with the rating agencies. They gave triple A ratings to crap not worth the paper its written on.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#9 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:17 PM EDT
              mountainmike-1199289

              Rating agencies are owned by the industry they are rating. They need to get honest with their ratings or get driven out of business as industry propaganda.

              • 3 votes
              #9.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:58 PM EDT
              MARofMICH

              Yes this is true. Who can you trust?

              • 1 vote
              #9.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:58 PM EDT
              willynilly

              Yes this is true. Who can you trust?

              Trust in god, but tie your camel ;-)

              • 1 vote
              #9.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:25 PM EDT
              mountainmike-1199289

              What do you trust to tie your camel to? (^:

              • 1 vote
              #9.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:39 PM EDT
              economics101

              Yes it is an elaborate fraud ... they are all interconnected, and have what Ollie North gave Bush Sr. - plausible denialbility - we are all sorry, but it wasn't "my" fault .... call S&P, goldman, AIG, Sen Levin, Jesus, anyone but me.

              • 1 vote
              #9.5 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:08 PM EDT
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              Dave the Voter 2

              The laws governing financial institutions are poorly written with amatuerish loopholes and vague language. Probably everything they did is lawful....even if there is a law against it.

              So many seemingly disparate problems are just due to poor quality, unqualified and/or corrupt legislators.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#10 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT
              Brian-497171

              Well, that sure lets the pigs off the hook, Dave.

              "Ah, you made a bundle off selling junk paper - but who could blame you?"

              Nice.

              • 2 votes
              #10.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:28 PM EDT
              Keav

              Brian, I think you are missing Dave's point. It's not that what they did wasn't wrong or immoral. It's the fact that the laws are written so poorly that all it takes is a lawyer and accountant to find a way to shield yourself from conviction. Legislation is flooded with loopholes and exceptions, so it's easy to place yourself above reproach in a legal sense.

              It's like slavery. Owning slaves was wrong and immoral, but you couldn't arrest a slave owner and convict him of the crime of owning slaves. It wasn't on the books as being illegal (in the South).

              • 2 votes
              #10.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT
              Dave the Voter 2

              Thanks Keav.

              You nailed it.

              • 1 vote
              #10.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:24 PM EDT
              economics101

              Actually, the issue is that the criminal laws are vague, but clear. What they did was fraud, and likely into the realm of organizaed crime under Rico. If a drug dealer uses complex web of companies, mules and other things to traffick and launder funds is it not still a crime to launer money, sell drugs and evade taxes.

              So if a banker intentionally misrepresented investments, made a profit form the misrepresentation how is that different than what maddoff did? Instaead of getting his acct to make up fake financial, I get S&P and AIG/GE to tell people a bunch of unratable mortgages are as safe as a t bond? Because they didn';t make money from the scam everyone is OK?

              What it would take is for one of these guys to grow a pair and get the FBI or NY state Police to start charging these guys with fraud, mail & Wire Fraud, racketeering. Actually, since this is both a breach of trust and organized crime the penalties are pretty clear - but once again, it is they are too big to fail!

              • 1 vote
              #10.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:14 PM EDT
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              G. H.

              "I did not mislead".........."I deny, categorically"....................."I am not a crook" (Nixon), "I did not have sex with that woman" (Clinton)!!! How many hundreds of times do these people think they can get away with lying??? It's really humiliating that so many *big* people think anything they do is okay. "If you get caught doing something you shouldn't be doing...............just lie". Great Role-models we have! PFFT! :-(

              • 5 votes
              Reply#11 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:37 PM EDT
              Dazed and Amazed-1

              G.H.:

              With all due respect, it is not "humiliating" that so many big people lie; it is disgusting, galling, irritating or reprehensible.

              • 3 votes
              #11.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:22 PM EDT
              G. H.

              I totally agree with you! By "humiliating", what I meant was being a member of the *human race* that could do these things. They are abominations. :-(

              • 1 vote
              #11.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT
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              Justsomeguy57

              Goldman Sachs did not just pull this scam out of their collective hind ends. They, and other investment companies, were experimenting with manipulating the failure of small emerging markets with aggressive short stock and put options a year ahead of the toxic housing mortgage con. My whistle blowing attempts about this fell on deaf ears.

              Now they are listening.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#12 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT
              Justsomeguy57

              Goldman Sachs did not just pull this scam out of their collective hind ends. They, and other investment companies, were experimenting with manipulating the failure of small emerging markets with aggressive short stock and put options a year ahead of the toxic housing mortgage con. My whistle blowing attempts about this fell on deaf ears.

              Now they are listening.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#13 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:43 PM EDT
              billy-witchdoctor-com

              Top Goldman Sachs officials defended their conduct in the financial crisis on Tuesday

              Is this the part where they explain how they gave 4 times more money to the Democrats and how Reid still is collecting from Goldman Sachs?

              • 1 vote
              Reply#14 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT
              Brian-497171

              Or how Mitch McConnell & Brothel are acting like their errand boys on Cap Hill.

              • 4 votes
              #14.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:54 PM EDT
              mountainmike-1199289

              Obama's Goldman Sachs donation came from individual employees and was not a corporate donation. John McCain also got Wall Street donations.

              Reminder: Wall Street will give money to both sides in presidential races to "hedge" their bet. But they always bet and fund one candidate they predict to win better.

              Mitch McConnell met with two dozen Wall Street lobbyists in regard to getting more lobbyist money to obstruct Wall Street reform. He is now involved in brainless and shameless obstruction following Robert Luntz's lie tactic word for word. He will keep saying there is a guarantee of future taxpayer bail outs in the bill despite the fact it is a brainless lie.

              John Boehner is his counterpart in the House of Representatives and didn't miss a beat with lobbyists after Tom DeLay had to quit due to the Abramoff scandal. He has organized weekly meetings just off of the floor of the House of Representatives where lobbyists and meet up with GOP legislators.

              When Wall Street says bend over, the only two questions Mitch and John have are "how fast?" and "how far?"

              • 7 votes
              #14.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:08 PM EDT
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              Keav

              To all young drug dealers and hustlers:

              STAY IN SCHOOL!

              You can become the white collar criminals of tomorrow! Imagine a crime so great, you have half of the political spectrum trying to defend you and say you did nothing wrong! How great it must be to buy off politicans and lobby them to add loopholes for you to jump through? You don't need to be armed with an Uzi, just an MBA in Finance!

              • 4 votes
              Reply#15 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
              graeywolf

              Keav,

              Very good, these Criminal B@stards need to be taken out like in the French Revolution. I can not believe the Audacity of these Cheap Sh1t criminals. They not only caused Financial Mayhem in the USA, the Banks manuevered the Greek Bankruptcy.

              At least when Billy said "I did not have Sex with that Woman" I could understand the Lie. Not these Guys. They deserve to go down.

              • 2 votes
              #15.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT
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              Dazed and Amazed-1

              "Top Goldman Sachs officials defended their conduct ... "I did not mislead" investors, insisted a trading executive."

              Bill Clinton did not inhale, either.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#16 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:17 PM EDT
              Another Black Guy

              The way we seriousily and meticiuously take action to this fiancial firm will dictate the way forward. The problem with having no Wall Street cops on the beat is it creates a criminal slum enterprise disguised in complex money markets and elitism. And ordinary Americans would shy away from trying to understand, paying little attention to this giant industry. Correct, no criminal or 'forger' in the words of Herman Melville (Bartleby the Scrivener), will simply offer themselves for persecution, but we must create a monitoring system that puts a Wall Street cop back on the beat (Gordon, M 2010). And we must persecute Fabrice Tourre "Fab" for his crime!

              • 3 votes
              Reply#17 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
              Dazed and Amazed-1

              Alternatively, make the SEC do their job. I understand they have plenty of time on their hands (watching porno) on our tax dollars.

              • 3 votes
              #17.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:27 PM EDT
              Keav

              I agree Dazed and Confused. The problem is you need a president and administration willing to let the dog off the leash. The previous admin turned a blind eye and deaf ear to tese issues. Why do you think all these allegations and investigations are going on now about crimes commited prior to Jan 2009? Becuase when the crimes were being perpetrated, the leaders were willingly asleep at the wheel.

              • 1 vote
              #17.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:35 PM EDT
              Realist-846893

              dumb as a board keav - the congressional leaders with oversight is where the buck stops - get a clue about how things work

                #17.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT
                Realist-846893

                btw keav and dazed - most of the govt employees are liberal public trough feeders regardless of administration - that's why they're watching porno on our dime - the liberal view is it's art - didn't you know?

                  #17.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:43 PM EDT
                  graeywolf

                  Realist,

                  Exactly, while they were watching Porn the Market went way South. I even wrote the SEC in Sept. 2008 and asked if they realized what was going on. I got a BS reply!

                  Maybe it is time for a Revolution!!!!!!!!!!

                  • 1 vote
                  #17.5 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:54 PM EDT
                  Keav

                  And you would know their political affiliation how?

                  So you're saying that conservatives hire liberals and then complain about the size and scope of the government they hired? A little far fetched, dont you think?

                  BTW, the SEC is law enforcement, which is the job of the executive branch.

                  I do agree about the SEC and watching porn on our dime. They need to be reprimanded or fired for that.

                  • 3 votes
                  #17.6 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:56 PM EDT
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                  hfghthgDeleted
                  Realist-846893

                  All these big wall street con firms and the rating firms are owned and run by liberal democrats. Why do you suppose the congressional democrat leaders with oversight never said a peep until they were forced to? I mean BESIDES the part about they were incompetent...Must drive the lemming liberal democrat masses nuts when they find out. I suppose that gives them credit for intelligent thought that there's little evidence they engage in.

                    Reply#19 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:37 PM EDT
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                    Chuck101

                    Wait a minute Golman Sachs, isn't this the same financial institution that donated million of dollars to the Obama campaign run? Are they not the same ones that stands to make billions if the climate control bill is passed?

                    This must really be embarrassing for Obama administration? First there was Acorn, now there Goldman Sachs caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

                    My father always told me you can judge the true character of a person by the company they keep.

                      Reply#21 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:56 PM EDT
                      Keav

                      I look at it from a 180 degree angle from you.

                      I think it makes Obama look even better to have Goldman Sachs on trial during his presidency. It sends a message that right is right, and that the law is the law, no matter your political leanings or donation record.

                      And ACORN? What did they do? And seeing as how ACORN had John McCain speak at one of their functions, I'm not sure it's a partisan body.

                      • 4 votes
                      #21.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:03 PM EDT
                      mountainmike-1199289

                      Chuck: I have already debunked this Obama Goldman Sachs donation time after time after time after time. Reply #14.2 for example. I can show you links proving they were employee - not6 corporate - donations and that Wall Street also donated to John McCain. McCain is famous for having his favorite lobbyists. McConnell and Boehner are legislative prostitutes for lobbyist money. I would post links and quotes, but I am sure you and others will be back because this is yet another Republican talking point.

                      • 3 votes
                      #21.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:12 PM EDT
                      Chuck101

                      Keav
                      I look at it from a 180 degree angle from you.

                      Your entitled to your opinion but in just one year in office:

                      1) we get the the Reverend wright thing,

                      2) we get the Chicago senate seat scandal,

                      3) we find out Obama ties to Acorn (indited multiple times for voter fraud),

                      4) we find out stimulus money being sent to socialist Brazil for oil exploration.

                      6) we see Obama using slush fund and stimulus money to buy senate votes.

                      7) we find out one of Obama's friends is a convicted terrorist who tried to blow up the white house or something like that.

                      The list keeps growing everyday. Why is everything surrounding this president tainted?

                      The only message I'm getting from this president is The people he associate with appear to be criminals and terrorist. Which would be find if this was Cuba.

                        #21.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:31 PM EDT
                        trm2008

                        You're entitled to your opinion too, but that is all it is.

                        • 2 votes
                        #21.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:03 PM EDT
                        Chuck101

                        trm2008
                        You're entitled to your opinion too, but that is all it is.

                        Thanks for your opinion on the matter Keav. Oh wait a minute your not Keav and you offered no opinion.

                          #21.5 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:38 AM EDT
                          Chuck101

                          trm2008
                          You're entitled to your opinion too, but that is all it is.

                          Thanks for your opinion on the matter Keav. Oh wait a minute your not Keav and you offered no opinion.

                            #21.6 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:40 AM EDT
                            economics101

                            Chuck -

                            How is this about Obama? Thisis about GS who has controlled the White house since 1990. They don't care about partisan politics, they make sure they buy off both sides. Bush was even more up to ears in GS people than Obama .... I mean he let Paulson, the guy who started all this to begin with, fix it with Tarp, which gave (of course) Paulson blanket Immunity???? Shouldn't Paulson have been asked to recuse himself since he was up to his ears in ths crap from day one!!! its like having Madoff prosecute himself!

                            Now I will agree that Geithner as T sec was a bad choice, but really, do you think that the President or Congress preside over Wall St, or the other way around? If you wanna be mad about something, that's what you should be mad about. The president is not nearly such a big concern as the fact that these bankers are the ones who are actually running our economy ... and we know that, even if the Feds is not charging them, they are first hand unethical!

                            • 1 vote
                            #21.7 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:22 PM EDT
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                            Dave-993919

                            What a joke. We have career politicians drilling smart business people about their practices. If your going to get to the bottom of this, we will have to have an independant investigation. These career politicians don't know a damned thing about finances. My god look at the huge deficit that these guys created. Its all just smoke and mirrors again. If we are going to get real change, we will have to force term limits.

                              Reply#22 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:20 PM EDT
                              PresObamaforeveramen

                              I've got two words for the Goldmans Exec.....the first word begins with the letter "B" and the second one begins with the letter "S". It's the same word or phrase the good people of Rock Ridge told the sheriff when he left town saying he had hard work to do cleaning the countryside of wicked vermin.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#23 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:48 PM EDT
                              Lampell

                              Depends what the word "misleads" is:) We are dealing with major institutions here, not the man in the street. If these institutions want to take Goldman's word for what the subprime mortgage packages are worth then they didnt do a good job of due diligence. I was in the business for many years. For every buyer there is a seller, how could anyone ever arrange a trade without someone losing and someone winning. The collapse of the housing market caused this mess, too many people buying homes as "investments" with no money down. Was Goldman dishonest? Of course, it goes with the territory. You buy a car from a used car salesman you should do your homework first.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#24 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:50 PM EDT
                              PAUL-372271

                              liquidate all of his assests like we do with drug dealers, and other criminals, in any other business he would be a criminal, then send him to Somalia.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#25 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:01 PM EDT
                              Dave the Voter 2

                              Yeah... wouldn't that be nice?

                              Too bad he's probably right... for all the crimes he's committed, all of the immoral block headed things he's done... He didn't violate any actual laws.

                              And nothing bad is going to happen to any of these clowns. They shall remain undeservedly wealthy, free and well employed.

                              I say we lower their taxes after we bail them out... and maybe this summer we just fold and give them the rest of the money... they're just going to take it anyway.

                                #25.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:36 PM EDT
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                                Wizeguy

                                Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said that while there may not be proof that Goldman did anything illegal, a reading of e-mails from Goldman officials bragging about profiting from bets against the housing market showed "there's no doubt their behavior was unethical and the people will render a judgment as well as courts."

                                Unbelievable that I should agree with John McCrazy but in this case I have to. GS was under no obligation to inform their customers who was betting against them. As savvy investors they should have dissected the "instrument" and seen it was full of junk subprime mortgages that were bound to fail. What was unethical about it was that the guy that had hand in putting together the package was setting it up to fail.

                                These boy wonder hot shots looked like deer caught in the headlights. You could tell they were almost ready to cry. You could also tell they were well coached. They wouldn't say how they made money on the short position without interjecting the "but we lost money on the long side". They didn't go flat and say "wow we dodged a bullet" when the market crashed they made a cool billion. Then laughed it up watching their suckers er customers go down in flames.

                                Credit Default Swaps (CDS), Collateralized Debt Obligations CDO's), Derivatives, as Warren Buffet put it "Financial Weapons of Mass Destruction"!!!

                                  Reply#26 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:01 AM EDT
                                  economics101

                                  "there's no doubt their behavior was unethical and the people will render a judgment as well as courts."

                                  Except the courts aren't going to judge them, these are civil charges. Worst they will face is a fine ..... Ask anyone who is accused of criminal fraud if they would prefer "civil charges" .... Likely this is the worst of it for Goldman.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #26.1 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:26 AM EDT
                                  Wizeguy

                                  Likely this is the worst of it for Goldman.

                                  If you were a money manger would you do business with them? I'm sure at this point there are more then a few thinking twice about ever trusting them again.

                                    #26.2 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:45 AM EDT
                                    economics101

                                    And Citi or BofA are better ..... Goldman's #1 clients ARE: THE USA. So, lets make this simple, no more business from uncle sam, Federal Reserve or anyone who uses us for procurement (ie. all defense / construction companies). Now what would GS be worth? not a lot.

                                      #26.3 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:56 AM EDT
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                                      Jim420

                                      I did not mislead -- ok nice quote, goldman Sachs exec. now where do you want it listed? before or after

                                      I am not a crook - Nixon

                                      I did not have sex with that woman - Bill Clinton

                                      read my lips, no new taxes - George Bush

                                      just wondering.. because it's going down as another of the biggest lines of BULLSHOES!!

                                      or is it BEAR shoes? I don't know I'm not a wallstreeter

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#27 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:43 AM EDT
                                      Rumana AkterDeleted
                                      Rumana AkterDeleted
                                      JOHNNY THE GREAT

                                      All that comes to mine is

                                      1 timothy

                                      1. Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish
                                        and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.
                                      2. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money,
                                        have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

                                      and

                                      Matthew: 19

                                      1. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly I tell you, it is hard for
                                        someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of Heaven.
                                      2. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than
                                        for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."
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