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AP IMPACT: Rule change helped BP on Gulf project

Wed May 5, 2010 7:55 PM EDT
us-news, us, oil-spill, plan, gulf, spill, deepwater-horizon, blowout
Michael Kunzelman, Associated Press
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<p>In this photo released by the U.S. Coast Guard, workers at a decontamination site in Venice, La., bundle oil containment boom that was cleaned Tuesday May 4, 2010. The boom is to be transferred to a staging area where it will be put back into service aboard on of the many boats fighting to mitigate the effects of the uncontrolled discharge of oil that was a result of the Deepwater Horizon incident. (AP Photo/U.S. Coast Guard, Petty Officer 3rd Class Patrick Kelley)</p>

In this photo released by the U.S. Coast Guard, workers at a decontamination site in Venice, La., bundle oil containment boom that was cleaned Tuesday May 4, 2010. The boom is to be transferred to a staging area where it will be put back into service aboard on of the many boats fighting to mitigate the effects of the uncontrolled discharge of oil that was a result of the Deepwater Horizon incident. (AP Photo/U.S. Coast Guard, Petty Officer 3rd Class Patrick Kelley)

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NEW ORLEANS — A rule change two years ago by the federal agency that regulates offshore oil rigs allowed BP to avoid filing a plan specifically for handling a major spill from an uncontrolled blowout at its Deepwater Horizon project — exactly the kind of disaster now unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico.

Oil rig operators generally are required to submit a detailed "blowout scenario." But the federal Minerals Management Service issued a notice in 2008 that exempted some drilling projects in the Gulf under certain conditions.

BP met those conditions, according to MMS, and as a result, the oil company had no plan written specifically for the Deepwater Horizon project, an Associated Press review of government and industry documents found.

In a series of interviews, BP spokesman William Salvin insisted the company was nevertheless prepared to handle a blowout at that project because it had a detailed, 582-page regional plan for dealing with a catastrophic spill anywhere in the central Gulf.

"We have a plan that has sufficient detail in it to deal with a blowout," Salvin said.

Still, the lack of a specific plan for the Deepwater Horizon project raises questions about whether the company could have been better prepared to deal with the oil leak, which is still spewing out of control at a rate estimated at more than 200,000 gallons a day.

MMS, which is part of the Interior Department, has long been criticized as too cozy with the industry it regulates.

Robert Wiygul, an Ocean Springs, Miss., environmental lawyer, said the lack of a blowout scenario "is kind of an outrageous omission, because you're drilling in extremely deep waters, where by definition you're looking for very large reservoirs to justify the cost."

"If the MMS was allowing companies to drill in this ultra-deep situation without a blowout scenario, then it seems clear they weren't doing the job they were tasked with," he said.

The disaster was set in motion when the offshore platform 50 miles out in the Gulf of Mexico exploded April 20 and sank days later in 5,000 feet of water. Eleven workers were killed in the accident.

AP pressed MMS for an explanation of why the rules were changed, but no official would speak on the record. However, one MMS official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the official wasn't authorized to discuss the matter said the rules were changed because some elements were impractical for some deepwater drilling projects in the Gulf.

But Wiygul said: "The MMS can't change the law just by telling people that they don't have to comply with it. I think it really indicates that somebody at MMS was asleep at the switch on this."

Speaking with reporters after touring a boom operation in Gulf Shores, Ala., Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that he understood that BP was required to file plans for coping with a blowout at the well that failed.

"My understanding is that everything was in its proper place," Salazar said.

However, an AP review of BP's regional oil-spill plan found that it failed to specifically address all of the points required by the MMS in a blowout scenario.

The blowout scenario rules, contained in the Code of Federal Regulations, require rig operators to estimate how much oil could flow from the well per day and the total amount that could leak from a single incident.

They also require such things as an explanation of how a spill would be stopped, the methods that would be used, how long it would take to stop the leak, how long it would take to drill a relief well, and the potential for a well to stop leaking on its own.

The MMS rule change, made in April 2008, says that Gulf rig operators are required to file a blowout scenario only if one of five conditions applies.

For example, an operator must provide a blowout scenario when it proposes to install a "surface facility" in water deeper than 1,312 feet. While Deepwater Horizon was operating almost 5,000 feet below the surface, Salvin said the project did not meet the definition of a surface facility. The MMS official agreed.

"The production platform is what's considered a surface facility," Salvin said. "This was an exploratory well, not a production well."

Brendan Cummings, a Joshua Tree, Calif.-based lawyer for the Center for Biological Diversity, said the exploration plan submitted by BP for Deepwater Horizon failed to adequately analyze the project's oil spill risks. Cummings has filed a notice of intent to sue the government over another offshore drilling operation, by Royal Dutch Shell in Alaska.

"The technology used on the now-sunken Deepwater Horizon oil rig in the Gulf was supposed to be the most advanced in the world, including various mechanisms to prevent or cap a blowout," Cummings wrote in the filing. "None of these mechanisms worked, and the state-of-the-art technology completely failed to stop the spill."

In its 2009 exploration plan, BP strongly discounted the possibility of a catastrophic accident. Similary, Shell's environmental impact analysis for its Beaufort Sea drilling plan asserts that the possibility of a "large liquid hydrocarbon spill ... is regarded as too remote and speculative to be considered a reasonably foreseeable impacting event."

The Deepwater Horizon disaster is not the first time MMS has been criticized as too close to the oil industry.

In 2008, the Interior Department took disciplinary action against eight MMS employees who accepted lavish gifts, partied and — in some cases — had sex with employees from the energy companies they regulated. An investigation cited a "culture of substance abuse and promiscuity" involving employees in the agency's Denver office.

MMS workers were given upgraded ethics training.

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neoatg

2 years ago as Bush was on the way out. But hey we can't blame the Bush and oil administration no that's living in the past or some other bogus excuse.

No we have to blame Obama that's the patriotic thing to do.

  • 29 votes
#1 - Wed May 5, 2010 8:20 PM EDT
R. Donald Snyder

Yeah, it's obviously Barack's fault. /sar

  • 21 votes
#1.1 - Wed May 5, 2010 8:48 PM EDT
Stand up, speak out

Of course not, he's gone, we need to move on. And besides, the Democrats controlled Congress. It's all their's and Obama's fault.

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Wed May 5, 2010 9:09 PM EDT
azartguy

Ah yes, Bush/Cheney the gift that keeps on giving as the political analog of herpes.

  • 22 votes
#1.3 - Wed May 5, 2010 9:21 PM EDT
MichelleUT

Of course not, he's gone, we need to move on. And besides, the Democrats controlled Congress. It's all their's and Obama's fault.

Okay, based off your other posts, I will assume you're being sarcastic...but I can't help posting.

So, the director, at the time, of the MMS was Randall Luthi. He was appointed to the role by Dirk Kempthorne, who served as Secretary of the Interior under George W Bush. Prior to that, he was a Republican Governor of Idaho.

Luthi is also a Republican, having served in the Wyoming House. He had previously served under Reagan in the Dept. of the Interior. He was also a legislative assistant under Dick Cheney.

  • 17 votes
#1.4 - Wed May 5, 2010 10:20 PM EDT
George Marez

Damn those liberal facts again...

  • 9 votes
#1.5 - Wed May 5, 2010 10:28 PM EDT
abacass

Stand up, speak out

Of course not, he's gone, we need to move on. And besides, the Democrats controlled Congress. It's all their's and Obama's fault.

Considering I still hear to this day Republicans bitch and moan about Carter, every time i hear them try to sweep Bush under the rug because hes ghone now...

  • 11 votes
#1.6 - Wed May 5, 2010 10:39 PM EDT
Josephelk

Bush & Cheney will never be gone! There damage will continue to affect American for decades to come, just like signing a bill 2-years ago that lets them drilling oil without a safety plan at that depth!

  • 17 votes
#1.7 - Wed May 5, 2010 11:26 PM EDT
Stand up, speak out

Safe assumption Michelle. I tried to make sure I went far enough over the top so that there wouldn't be any doubt.

azartguy and Joseph, you are so correct. The gift that keeps on giving and even they're gone in body their legacy is going to last a loooooooooooooooooooong time.

And where are all of the Beckite Obamaphobes?

  • 8 votes
#1.8 - Wed May 5, 2010 11:33 PM EDT
George-369262

Blame whoever you want.....however, guess which politician BP gave the most money to, perhaps to get a pass on safety issues.....the same politician Freddie gave the most money to, for likely the same reason - a pass on government oversight.....BHO....

Republicans @!$%# and moan about Carter, Well, gee, with the Iranian regime, that Carter allowed to come to power, ignoring the warnings of the intelligence services of Germany, and other countries, via abandoning the Shah, being close to obtaining nukes, it is a germain subject, don't you think....

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Thu May 6, 2010 3:40 AM EDT
sunnybunny1269

The question is: What can we do NOW? Also, who can do what to keep it from happening any more?

    #1.10 - Thu May 6, 2010 9:33 AM EDT
    Josephelk

    Sunny,

    Your right it is about looking to the future but in order to fix the future sometimes we need to research the past and this oil flow is the one that we will base the new rules for platform drilling. Take the Exxon Valdes oil spill for an example, it changed the way tankers are made in the US from a single wall tanker to a mandatory double wall tanker.
    Back to the oil flow taking place now, of course we will also grandfather in the existing wells or give them until the year 2050 to make there changes but by then all the existing wells will have been pumped dry!
    But one needs to think also who was letting platform rigs drill at these depths without a step by step underwater safety plan and without under water safety valves at the ocean floor penetration point? But also if a valve is installed underwater that also makes for one more weak point that will need to be repaired or replaced over time and that makes for another spill point. I also know that these rigs above water have safety valves and safety valves for those safety valves so this might just be a one in a million accident or I maybe foul play was involved?
    This is what I don't get? We have so many rules for all types of oil spills or oil flows above ground that this might be as simple as someone's greed for money and that might be the answer? Also this might be a situation that these platform rigs were built at a time in our history that we didn't have the ability to install safety devises at that depth which tells me we had no business drilling them if that's the case!

    • 3 votes
    #1.11 - Thu May 6, 2010 12:13 PM EDT
    sunnybunny1269

    I don't understand all the technical logistical aspects of it, but someone who does needs to get to work on a plan for cleaning this up, and setting and implicating standards that are effective in preventing this @!$%# - right away too. Also, it sounds like someone at BP has some splaining to do.

    • 1 vote
    #1.12 - Thu May 6, 2010 1:36 PM EDT
    Josephelk

    I agree with you 100% Sunny and I think we need to have laws in place that are a hell of a lot stiffer than the fines big oil gets now! The fines that are in place now when and if they are enforced on the big oil companies they just laugh all the way to the bank because you can't hurt them with a dollar amount like $750,000 or $1-million dollars! There needs to be laws in place like they can't pump oil for a year or they need to sell there oil for 50% below barrel price for a year? Maybe we need to bring some of the laws from China to the US? Like when the head of a company is found guilty they are held responsible not just the company, just a couple of suggestions?

    • 2 votes
    #1.13 - Thu May 6, 2010 1:54 PM EDT
    sunnybunny1269

    Well of course we should look at what other countries are already doing successfully for ideas on how to set ours up. Also, I agree completely, fines are part of the cost of doing business they are not an effective deterrent to bad practices. BP needs to pay for this cleanup - as they are liable, but they should also have penalties sufficient to discourage whatever recklessness led to this disaster.

      #1.14 - Thu May 6, 2010 2:10 PM EDT
      Stand up, speak out

      George-369262
      Blame whoever you want.....however, guess which politician BP gave the most money to, perhaps to get a pass on safety issues.....the same politician Freddie gave the most money to, for likely the same reason - a pass on government oversight.....BHO....

      I'm not saying this is the case here but a lot of money has been squandered by thinking it's going to get someone in bed with you only to be surprised in the end.

      • 1 vote
      #1.15 - Thu May 6, 2010 2:35 PM EDT
      abacass

      George-369262

      Blame whoever you want.....however, guess which politician BP gave the most money to, perhaps to get a pass on safety issues.....the same politician Freddie gave the most money to, for likely the same reason - a pass on government oversight.....BHO....

      If Obama did give then any considerations this would be an issue, but as the story shows the rule change happened during Bush.

      If their was any examples of any considerations like this being given to BP by this administration then this would be an issue.

      Yes BP like many other institutions did donate more to Obama than McCain this last election cycle, however this was an effect of them betting on the winning horse to maximise their donation potential (since money spent on the losing candidate is technically wasted).

      From both a historical and the candidates platforms they would have gained more (by far) if McCain was elected. After all he was the candidate willing to be more drilling friendly and fight against not for more regulation. If their support would have been enough to tip the scales in 2008 it would have been a different story.

      • 4 votes
      #1.16 - Thu May 6, 2010 10:05 PM EDT
      McSpocky

      In 2008, the Interior Department took disciplinary action against eight MMS employees who accepted lavish gifts, partied and — in some cases — had sex with employees from the energy companies they regulated. An investigation cited a "culture of substance abuse and promiscuity" involving employees in the agency's Denver office.

      Republican sex scandal...AGAIN. lol

      • 2 votes
      #1.17 - Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:34 AM EDT
      Reply
      Beoweolf

      And the silence is Deafening...

      I guess there are somethings, which do not directly lead to forgone conclusions, that folks just don't want to talk about?

      Huh? Seems extra strange when compared to the in the normal super heated exchanges which permeate Newsvine posts.

      • 8 votes
      Reply#2 - Wed May 5, 2010 8:28 PM EDT
      Robert-1680722

      Is it not bad enough that the Bush administration allowed the oil companies to rape consumers by raising gas prices, but now they allowed BP to circumvent the rules. How convenient that BP just so happened to 'meet the requirements' to be exempt from the new rules!

      Sounds like hogwash to me, and I think that BP should pay dearly for this. The first step would be to fire the entire top echelon of the company, then implement a cap on gas prices and other oil related products at about $1.50/gallon.

      I would be ecstatic if Obama could bring these two measures to fruition, but I'll believe it when I see it.

      • 14 votes
      Reply#3 - Wed May 5, 2010 8:46 PM EDT
      George Marez

      Fiscal and moral responsibility do not a Republican Administration make.

      Bush II is considered to have been the worst environmental President ever, so this is not surprising. Sadly.

      • 14 votes
      #3.1 - Wed May 5, 2010 10:29 PM EDT
      Reply
      Undescribable

      A rule change two years ago by the federal agency that regulates offshore oil rigs allowed BP to avoid filing a plan specifically for handling a major spill from an uncontrolled blowout at its Deepwater Horizon project — exactly the kind of disaster now unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico.

      Dubya n Chaine Please explain.?

      • 12 votes
      Reply#4 - Wed May 5, 2010 8:56 PM EDT
      arikira

      Yes, the silence is deafening.

      Its a dead issue. The anti-regulatory Bush administration de-prioritized existing regulatory laws, BP figured the risk was worth the savings (and judging by statistics only it probably was -- for them, not us) and this is the direct result. Its rather cut and dry. Boring, even.

      Happy Wednesday, Tea Baggers!

      • 16 votes
      Reply#5 - Wed May 5, 2010 9:01 PM EDT
      mountainmike-1199289

      I can see this going yet another step. Find out if lobbyist money paid for the exemption from having this plan. Any Watergate style investigative reporters out there? As Deep Throat said, "follow the money."

      • 4 votes
      Reply#6 - Wed May 5, 2010 9:33 PM EDT
      Stand up, speak out

      Lobbyists-the bane of our existence. Campaign finance reform NOW.

      • 4 votes
      #6.1 - Wed May 5, 2010 9:44 PM EDT
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      Ralph Yetter

      My thoughts on this mess: It seems clear that Chaney just might be the turkey who told the engineers to drop the safety blow off valve on the well. However, Obama should verify that Chaney in fact was the person who gave the order. If so, one could get Chaney for doing engineering with out the papers to do that. Then, make the fine the cost of the project.

      rfy, reg. P.E. retired

      • 2 votes
      Reply#7 - Wed May 5, 2010 10:06 PM EDT
      eric-1166057

      Will we ever be free of the messes caused by w and his ilk? Theie policies and actions have done (and continue to do) an astounding amount of damage.

      • 8 votes
      Reply#8 - Wed May 5, 2010 10:07 PM EDT
      ShineYourLight

      Well well well .. I guess this should lead to impeachment procedures for Obama -

      • 3 votes
      Reply#9 - Wed May 5, 2010 10:15 PM EDT
      MBach30

      I blame this oil-blowout on Felipe Calderon...it's retaliation for the Arizona law... ;-(

      • 1 vote
      Reply#10 - Wed May 5, 2010 10:58 PM EDT
      janejordanDeleted
      Tom-915077

      speaking of deafening silences, where's the drill-baby-drill crowd today?

      • 8 votes
      Reply#12 - Wed May 5, 2010 11:29 PM EDT
      sunnybunny1269

      Exactly, where are they? Sarah palin wrote in her book that she had experience dealing with helping in the cleanup of the Exxon Valdez (prior to this - the worst ecological disaster in history). How about contributing some of what they learned there toward fixing this? If she's so damn patriotic - how about helping now?

      • 3 votes
      #12.1 - Thu May 6, 2010 9:38 AM EDT
      Reply
      Harris from the Post

      This is why we never should've let Cheney be President.

      • 9 votes
      Reply#13 - Thu May 6, 2010 12:20 AM EDT
      airborne-1184737

      Obama has been as bad as Cheney would have. Heck, Obama has enjoyed the fact, both chambers of Congress are controlled by his party. That may not be be case when 2010 ends.

      Of course that would mean President Obama blew his very best chance to have any regulation legislation passed. 15 months in office and not a move to regulation until a catastrophe

      Why the wait? Why not move on the issue? The issue has been identified. It has existed far too long.

      Regulation against the oil companies can be legislated if Health Care can be legislated. They both have needed to be tackled.

        #13.1 - Thu May 6, 2010 3:50 PM EDT
        Tony Wlliams

        How do you build? You start with a foundation before you put the walls up.

        This is what Obama has done. Was this a problem that needed to be address? Yes. Was it a pressing issue before? No.

        You tackle the big items and immediate concerns. Nobody saw this coming and believed there was time to get the other items fixed first.

        • 1 vote
        #13.2 - Fri May 7, 2010 12:28 AM EDT
        Reply
        thoughtfulruminator

        Thank you once again Bush Administration. Another example of putting corporations and their needs ahead of the good of the people.

        • 9 votes
        Reply#14 - Thu May 6, 2010 1:11 AM EDT
        ShineYourLight

        They've been doing it the whole time. - Started when Carter's solar cells were taken from the roof of the white house by the following president

        We should have been off oil - but - the oil people own the government officials.

        • 6 votes
        #14.1 - Thu May 6, 2010 1:47 AM EDT
        Stand up, speak out

        Shine, I hear ya. I guess I must be stupid or something but I never could figure out record profits and near record prices at the pump both at the same time. Well, I can, but that's pretty obvious. What pisses me off a whole lot more than the financial part of it is being treated like we're just a bunch of ignorant dregs by a bunch of way over the top arrogant sheeeeitheads.

        • 4 votes
        #14.2 - Thu May 6, 2010 2:15 AM EDT
        ShineYourLight

        You need to watch blade 1,2,and 3

        Then watch Distinguished Gentlemen

        We are nothing but cattle - for them to milk use when they want to and slaughter us at their will.

        When a group arises to take a true stance for America ?

        Then we can get something done - all these other uprisings ? Just deception, smoke and mirrors.

        To keep out eyes off the prize.

        Don't forget - bush is an oil man and cheney was a pipe man.
        Don't forget - oil is the biggest money maker - running along with cancer research - another joke.

        • 3 votes
        #14.3 - Thu May 6, 2010 2:23 AM EDT
        Stand up, speak out

        My vocabulary doesn't include moooo or bahhhh.

        • 1 vote
        #14.4 - Thu May 6, 2010 1:12 PM EDT
        ShineYourLight

        Try telling that to the oil giants.

        • 1 vote
        #14.5 - Fri May 7, 2010 12:34 AM EDT
        Reply
        Tony Wlliams

        Oh joy oh joy the deregulation is working...NOT!!!!

        At this time we'd like to thank G.W. for this outstanding achievement on behalf of the companies he fought so bravely for to protect their bottom lines. He tied the hands of OSHA and brought safety standards to a new low. Yes folks it's company profit over environment and worker safety.

        • 7 votes
        Reply#15 - Thu May 6, 2010 1:52 AM EDT
        airborne-1184737

        Tony...

        I suppose you are singing the songs of joy to President Obama for not moving to regulate. A president reaps what he sews.

        President Obama for 15 months has enjoyed understanding that both Chambers of Congress are controlled by a majority of his own party.

        Did President Obama ask Congress to work on passing regulation to solve the problems we face from the oil companies. Why wait untill a catastrophe?

        No. He was to busy passing his Marxist, socialist plans. He didn't care about the people of LA nor the sea-life in the Gulf. Sea-life can't cast ballots at the polls.

          #15.1 - Thu May 6, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
          Tony Wlliams

          You can't fix in 15 months what it took 8 years to break. It's not like turning on a light switch and it doesn't happen over night. That's called wishful thinking on your part. But then again I see you have been blinded by the GOP Hype because if you hadn't been you never would have posted this lie

          No. He was to busy passing his Marxist, socialist plans.

          • 2 votes
          #15.2 - Fri May 7, 2010 12:33 AM EDT
          Rogoho

          Didn't you know Tony, Obama is the magic pill that's got to get everything Republican pols ignored done yesterday at the earliest.

            #15.3 - Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:53 PM EDT
            Reply
            Jeff-Minneapolis

            Oh yes deregulate and tax breaks for the rich so we can enjoy the trickle down effect. This will bring prosperity.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#16 - Thu May 6, 2010 3:43 AM EDT
            GrayHouse

            The MMS rule change, made in April 2008...

            I've been watching Glenn Beck to see what all the hoopla is about and beginning to see how he operates. On yesterday's show he stated erroneously that rule change was made in April 2009 — linking it to the Obama administration instead of Bush. Then he went on to imply that BP's campaign contributions were why the Obama administration allowed this exemption to happen.

            Who needs facts when hysterical innuendo serves your purposes better? Oh right, real "news" sources, not "entertainment" sources. I'm catching on to why Beck "reports" what "mainstream media" won't touch.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#17 - Thu May 6, 2010 10:16 AM EDT
            Jeff-Minneapolis

            It's pretty well known the Bush administration deruglated the oil industry even before this article. It gets lost in the pool of make believe thrown out there. There is so much of it many things get lost and people have short term memories when it's required for them to go as far back as the administration they supported. So far this short term memory loss seems to mostly only affect those who register as republicans.

            • 3 votes
            #17.1 - Thu May 6, 2010 11:24 AM EDT
            Stand up, speak out

            I was once given the responsibility of taking over a small government operation on a contract basis after management of the facility got caught being involved in some improprieties. The task was to be for a short duration and I was made aware of the few known issues. Right, just a couple of problems which were already resolved turned into practically every time anything was looked at more "improprieties" popped up, most without any intention of investigating anything. The anticpated duration quadrupled and even after the facility was divested things just kept coming up. I'm afraid the Bush/Cheney legacy is going to yturn out to be similar. I guess better late than never though.

            • 1 vote
            #17.2 - Thu May 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT
            airborne-1184737

            Jeff, Stand Up Speak Out, et all

            For 15 months, both chambers of Congress have been controlled by the Democrat party. Obama at any time could have called on the Congress to pass regulation.

            The President failed to so so. Regulation was not on his agenda. Therefore; President Obama; has failed the nation just as other presidents have.

            There is not any room to point fingers. Only to understand and divulge reality. Those stuck in the past will never solve anything.

              #17.3 - Thu May 6, 2010 2:57 PM EDT
              Stand up, speak out

              dang, 15 months, 15 months, 15 months. Is that all you know how to say? It's not nearly enough time for solutions to everything that's effed up and quite frankly, neither you nor I along with most of the population have any idea whatsoever HAS been identified and IS being addressed.

                #17.4 - Fri May 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT
                Reply
                ma91744-1401618

                Another snafu of the Bush-Cheney administration. The Bush-Cheney administration, the administration that keep on giving.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#18 - Thu May 6, 2010 12:40 PM EDT
                Beoweolf

                Like the farm boy, fresh from the hills, when he was talking to his soldier buddies. They had teased him repeatedly about the fact that he was a virgin. So he was proud to explain to them that he was no longer saddled with that burden. His three day pass had been put to good use.

                "I had my first night with a real girl about a week ago, it was so good - I'm still affected by the experience"!

                His, world weary, wise old Sergeant gave him permission to go see the Corpsman ... seems Jeb was too dumb to know he had clap.

                Seems a lot of Right wingers are still, enjoying the after glow of Bush / Cheney... Maybe a shot of reality will "clear it up"? So, got any itching ... burning?

                • 3 votes
                #18.1 - Thu May 6, 2010 1:20 PM EDT
                Reply
                Josephelk

                If this oil loss would have happened under Bush Jr/Cheney gas prices would have gone up $2.00 a gallon or more at the pumps! Let's see if our gas prices change under Obama.
                Sorry kind of off topic but it's something I would like to see tracked because every time during the Bush years when a drop of oil was spilled the price of gas in the US skyrocketed.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#19 - Thu May 6, 2010 1:27 PM EDT
                airborne-1184737

                Beoweolf...

                The question that should be asked and explainedis, "Why did the Obama Administration continue to allow all the supposed deregulation to continue to exist"?

                Hasn't Mr Obama for the past 15 months had a clear majority in both Chambers of Congress. Hasn't Mr Obama had the chance to pass regulation which would have tighter restricted BP?

                Why did the President allow 2 explosions before he discovered he suddenly has a voice with which to use in lam-blasting BP?

                I'll tell you why. He is just as guilty as any other politician who accepts money from big oil. BP contributed mightily to his presidential campaign.

                Your slander against the GOP is as dumb as you obviously are. Obama had the chance to regulate BP. He gave then a free reign to do as they do.

                He failed miserably to regulate BP. He is just as guilty as BP. He is just as crooked. He would have used the majority's in both Chambers of Congress to alleviate the problem had he wished.

                He did not wish to so so. He played politics just like any other President. This is a huge and utter failure to the nation we live in. Mr Obama should get his act in order.

                At the top of Obamas agenda should have been regulation. He knew what could possibly happen without regulation. He has been a failure as President.

                  Reply#20 - Thu May 6, 2010 2:46 PM EDT
                  Tony Wlliams

                  airborne

                  You need to listen to real news sources. So far you have posted nothing that borders on reality and how Congress works. Your claim about BP and Obama makes you sound like Beck who not only can't keep his facts straight but will re-write history so it fits into his make believe little world.

                  Bush gave free reign to deregulation. Obama put a stop to changes they wanted to make that hadn't already occured. No-one is an expert on every single thing that needs to be fixed and before you can fix something you must first know these things: What's wrong, why it's wrong, and what if anything can be done to fix it. Add in are there Laws which govern it and will the fix violate the law. Can the cost of the fix be justified and not put the company out of business.

                  Sorry but 15 months of digging through all of G.W.'s screw ups just isn't enough time and that would be true even if the GOP wasn't trying to block and stall.

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                  #20.1 - Fri May 7, 2010 12:49 AM EDT
                  Beoweolf

                  Wake up Toto .... it was just a dream - wasn't it? We never did go to Oz, The Wizard was a fraud. There was no wicked witch. This was just an unfortunate tornado.

                  I say Who - you say Airborne! Just a few more miles to go.

                  The biggest problem with being a Republican - is the day you finally awake and know you have to let go of the dream. There is no Oz.

                    #20.2 - Sat May 8, 2010 1:14 AM EDT
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                    Stand up, speak out

                    Deregulation in earnest started with Ronald Reagan. And I'm not saying Obama hasn't screwed up but to think that 15 months is adequate to identify and address problems which we set in motion and at the same time address whatever other issues come up is a bit unrealistic.

                      Reply#21 - Thu May 6, 2010 3:01 PM EDT
                      airborne-1184737

                      15 months is adequate to address any problem that has existed since the Ronald Reagan era. How many more years does one need to understand deregulation is the problem? It's been identified.

                      I agree it began under Reagan but I simply can't fathom why it takes so long for any administration to say, "Enough is Enough". Obama didn't wait around to address Health Care Reform.

                      We've needed it as far back as the Reagan era. With all due respect, "your explanation doesn't add up". Sorry.

                        Reply#22 - Thu May 6, 2010 3:29 PM EDT
                        Stand up, speak out

                        Sorry but I don't understand what you're trying to say. Your first paragraph states that deregulation is the problem. Your last paragraph says we've needed "it" as far back as the Reagan era. What is "it"?

                        All I'm trying to say is that no I don't feel that 15 months is enough time to address everything that we know needs to be addressed let alone what else might reveal itself.

                          #22.1 - Thu May 6, 2010 7:00 PM EDT
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                          Beoweolf

                          Are we there yet, Are we there yet...?

                          No Billy, ... as soon as the ambulance get all the injured of the street. We'll can start the car and see if the freeway is clear.

                          It was a terrible, terrible storm and the skies are still cloudy...

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                          Reply#23 - Thu May 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT
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