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Relief for Gulf is 2 months away with another well

Mon May 31, 2010 5:16 PM EDT
us-news, business, us, oil, spill, gulf-oil-spill
Matthew Brown, Associated Press
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<p>A supply vessel passes through oil floating near the site of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico near the coast of Louisiana, Monday, May 31, 2010. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)</p>

A supply vessel passes through oil floating near the site of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico near the coast of Louisiana, Monday, May 31, 2010. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

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NEW ORLEANS — The best hope for stopping the flow of oil from the blown-out well at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico has been compared to hitting a target the size of a dinner plate with a drill more than two miles into the earth, and is anything but a sure bet on the first attempt.

Bid after bid has failed to stanch what has already become the nation's worst-ever spill, and BP PLC is readying another patchwork attempt as early as Wednesday, this one a cut-and-cap process to put a lid on the leaking wellhead so oil can be siphoned to the surface. BP said Monday it was also planning further containment efforts to supplement this week's try.

But the best-case scenario of sealing the leak is two relief wells being drilled diagonally into the gushing well — tricky business that won't be ready until August.

"The probability of them hitting it on the very first shot is virtually nil," said David Rensink, incoming president of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, who spent most of his 39 years in the oil industry in offshore exploration. "If they get it on the first three or four shots they'd be very lucky."

The relief well drilling and temporary fixes were being watched closely by President Barack Obama, who planned to meet for the first time Tuesday with the co-chairmen of an independent commission investigating the spill. A senior administration official said the meeting will take place at the White House. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the meeting had not been formally announced.

For the relief well to succeed, the bore hole must precisely intersect the damaged well. If it misses, BP will have to back up its drill, plug the hole it just created, and try again.

The trial-and-error process could take weeks, but it will eventually work, scientists and BP said. Then engineers will then pump mud and cement through pipes to ultimately seal the well.

As the drilling reaches deeper into the earth, the process is slowed by building pressure and the increasing distance that well casings must travel before they can be set in place.

Still, the three months it could take to finish the relief wells — the first of which started May 2 — is quicker than a typical deep well, which can take four months or longer, said Tad Patzek, chair of the Petroleum and Geosystems Engineering Department at the University of Texas-Austin. BP already has a good picture of the different layers of sand and rock its drill bits will meet because of the work it did on the blown-out well.

On the slim chance the relief well doesn't work, scientists weren't sure exactly how much — or how long — the oil would flow. The gusher would continue until the well bore hole collapsed or pressure in the reservoir dropped to a point where oil was no longer pushed to the surface, Patzek said.

"I don't admit the possibility of it not working," he said.

A third well could be drilled if the first two fail.

"We don't know how much oil is down there, and hopefully we'll never know when the relief wells work," BP spokesman John Curry said.

The company was starting to collect and analyze data on how much oil might be in the reservoir when the rig exploded April 20, he said.

BP's uncertainty statement is reasonable, given they only had drilled one well, according to Doug Rader, an ocean scientist with the Environmental Defense Fund.

Two relief wells stopped the world's worst peacetime spill, from a Mexican rig called Ixtoc 1 that dumped 140 million gallons off the Yucatan Peninsula. That plug took nearly 10 months beginning in the summer of 1979. Drilling technology has vastly improved since then, however.

So far, the Gulf oil spill has leaked between 19.7 million and 43 million gallons, according to government estimates.

In the meantime, BP is turning to another risky procedure federal officials acknowledge will likely, at least temporarily, cause 20 percent more oil — at least 100,000 gallons a day — to add to the gusher.

Using robot submarines, BP plans to cut away the riser pipe this week and place a cap-like containment valve over the blowout preventer. On Monday, live video feeds showed robot submarines moving equipment around and using a circular saw-like device to cut small pipes at the bottom of the Gulf.

The crews will eventually cut the leaking riser and place the cap on top of it, the company hopes it will capture the majority of the oil, sending it to the surface.

"If you've got to cut that riser, that's risky. You could take a bad situation and make it worse," said Ed Overton, a Louisiana State University professor of environmental sciences.

The oil company also announced plans Monday to try attaching another pipe to a separate opening on the blowout preventer with some of the same equipment used to pump in mud during the failed top kill over the weekend. The company also wants to build a new free-standing riser to carry oil toward the surface, which would give it more flexibility to disconnect and then reconnect containment pipes if a hurricane passed through.

Neither of those plans would start before mid-June and would supplement the cut-and-cap effort.

BP failed to plug the leak Saturday with its top kill, which shot mud and pieces of rubber into the well but couldn't beat back the pressure of the oil.

Meanwhile, the location of the spill couldn't be worse.

To the south lies an essential spawning ground for imperiled Atlantic bluefin tuna and sperm whales. To the east and west, coral reefs and the coastal fisheries of Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Texas. And to the north, Louisiana's coastal marshes.

More than 125 miles of Louisiana coastline already have been hit with oil. "It's just killing us by degrees," said Tulane University ecologist Tom Sherry.

It's an area that historically has been something of a superhighway for hurricanes, too.

If a major storm rolls in, the relief well operations would have to be suspended and then re-started, adding more time to the process. Plugging the Ixtoc was also hampered by hurricane season, which begins Tuesday and is predicted to be very active.

Three of the worst storms ever to hit the Gulf coast — Betsy in 1965, Camille in 1969 and Katrina in 2005 — all passed over the leak site.

On the Gulf coast beaches, tropical weather was far from some tourists' minds.

On Biloxi beach, Paul Dawa and his friend Ezekial Momgeri sipped Coronas after a night gambling at the Hard Rock Casino. Both men, originally from Kenya, drove from Memphis, Tenn., and were chased off the beach by a storm, not oil.

"We talked about it and we decided to come down and see for ourselves" whether there was oil, Momgeri said. "There's no oil here."

Though some tar balls have been found on Mississippi and Alabama barrier islands, oil from the spill has not significantly fouled the shores.

Still, the perception that it has soiled white sands and fishing areas threatens to cripple the tourist economy, said Linda Hornsby, executive director of the Mississippi Hotel and Lodging Association

Attorney General Eric Holder plans to visit the Gulf Coast on Tuesday and meet with state attorneys general. Several senators have asked the Justice Department to determine whether any laws were broken in the spill.

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Associated Press writers Kevin McGill, Ben Nuckols and Greg Bluestein in Covington, La., Holbrook Mohr in Biloxi, Miss., and Darlene Superville at Andrews Air Force Base, Md., contributed to this report.

© 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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USA4Him

I believe this is far worse than a hurricane and tornado, earthquake!!

This is a catastrophe! this is major, this affects the ocean, the water, the sealife, the ecosystem,the environment, us and just about everything.......and the POTUS IS NOT DOING ENOUGH FAST ENOUGH TO STOP THIS!!??

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Mon May 31, 2010 5:54 PM EDT
NoobPatrol

What can he do? Wave a magic wand and make it all better?

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:24 PM EDT
charnello

USA4Him,

You'll love this article:

Aggressively criticising Obama for not acting aggressively enough while aggressively ignoring the fact that they oppose anything aggressive the administration does

Regarding two months: this is really, really sad. Hopefully we ALL learn from this.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:46 PM EDT
XNihil0Zer0

What can he do? Wave a magic wand and make it all better?

He could wave a magic 30 kt nuclear bomb like the Russians have done 5 times in the past. Although doing so might compromise his calls for nuclear disarmament.

    #1.3 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:52 PM EDT
    PivotalAxis

    What can he do? Wave a magic wand and make it all better?

    as if deep ocean water technology was non existent...

    http://www.otechawaii.org/p-pipelines.htm

    1. 55" Aquaculture and OTEC Pipeline - Makai was the construction manager and designer for the 55" diameter pipelines for the Hawaii Ocean Science Technology Park (HOST Park) at Keahole Point, Hawaii. This 3000’ deep, two-mile-long pipeline is the world's largest and deepest cold-water pipeline, furnishing 27,000 gpm of 4°C water, and also 40,000 gpm of warm water via a unique pump station.. The award-winning pipelines were installed system during 2001.

    ...

    6. 40" Pipeline Design and Installation - In a project with R.M. Towill Corporation, funded by the State of Hawaii and the U.S. Department of Energy, Makai designed a 40" polyethylene cold water pipe to be used jointly by the Natural Energy Laboratory and the Hawaii Ocean Science and Technology (HOST) Park sites on the Big Island. It is the largest deep-water intake pipeline in the world. This pipe is a larger and more rugged version of the previous MOE 12" pipe design at NELH and includes a 3000' long buoyant section. Makai assisted in the deployment of this pipe to a depth of 2200' in August, 1987. It is currently the main source of water for the Natural Energy Laboratory.

    ....

    Continuing work on warm water intakes lines has led toward the development of an easily installed pipeline hold-down system that firmly anchors the pipeline to the seafloor. Pipelines at Keahole Pt. are capable of withstanding a 50' design wave. Such seafloor attachment systems are applicable to large and small pipelines in any service.

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:42 PM EDT
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    Onipupsac

    This is sad.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:14 PM EDT
    cappiez

    I don't even know what to say. The one paragraph that got me:

    In the meantime, BP is turning to another risky procedure federal officials acknowledge will likely, at least temporarily, cause 20 percent more oil - at least 100,000 gallons a day - to add to the gusher.

    What in the hell are you talking about? The purpose is supposed to stop the damn leak, not help it go faster!

    • 1 vote
    Reply#3 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:27 PM EDT
    kerfufflefuss

    Hey, you good people are getting smarter, you are catching on to how they think. BP has all this stuff figured...Get all the oil in the water topside and bring in some big ships with suction equiqment and bail the stuff out and into the belly of the boat. The gulf is just a holding basin for the product.

    I had a feeling you would love the thinking chain... bueno bye

      #3.1 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 10:52 PM EDT
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      mike akers

      all they have to do to stop the leak is make a dome cap maybe 40 feet in diameter weighing about twenty tons have a release valve on top of it attached to a hose etc pump what have you drop it directly over the leakthe weight of the dome top will keep it anvhored in place and then just pump out the oil or cap it either one but thats all that needs to be done to fix it bunch of idiots is the real problem

      • 1 vote
      Reply#4 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:54 PM EDT
      mike akers

      i have to tell you mike you are smart its so simple a second grader could figure it out

      • 1 vote
      #4.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:56 PM EDT
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      Rixar13

      "The probability of them hitting it on the very first shot is virtually nil," "If they get it on the first three or four shots they'd be very lucky."

      Criminal Charges would be a good start followed by alternative sources of energy, No more Drill baby Drill....?

      • 2 votes
      Reply#5 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:04 PM EDT
      PiperGirl

      I just don't even know what to say. :-(

      • 1 vote
      Reply#6 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:34 PM EDT
      jopocop

      The worse part of this story is the truth is coming out from impartial experts, that the intersection of the relief well may miss the target, so that they got to back up and somehow restart a new well direction to finally intersect the bottom of the blownout well.

      Even now, Obama, the Fed Govt, BP, and the Coast Guard are all hiding these possible complications from the public, in order to prevent more anxiety and fear and outrage.

      Why can't we know the full and utter truth, no matter how hard and difficult it can be to accept. Why all the secrets in govt, let alone business?

      Just like in the sci-fi movies, the danger is lurking and about to hit eventually, but, the public is left in the dark and the danger springs up as a surprise.

      They better start drilling a 3rd, 4th, 5th well, etc, to make sure they hit the target intersect so that this does not drag on and on all year and into the next year.

        Reply#7 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:47 PM EDT
        Buck WheatDeleted
        AZnative911

        I used to make down hole tooling for texaco in california.

        If they have a drill rig close enough to drill a relief well. They can drill into the broken casing at the break problem solved.

        Once in the casing the leak can be sealed with a bull nose, fishing tool or pump it full of concrete to seal it up.

        Call me what you will but someone wants this to be big really big. There is no reason this was not shut down within the first twenty four hours.

        There is no rocket science involved just Politics...Big money....and Power..!

        • 1 vote
        Reply#9 - Mon May 31, 2010 8:48 PM EDT
        fjfgjfjreDeleted
        higulese45

        Read/see this and see how good you feel with whats going on! Ask why?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2fldJnaNp0

          Reply#11 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:28 PM EDT
          PivotalAxis

          talk with the experts??? or would that just be too easy???

          http://www.otechawaii.org/

          • 1 vote
          Reply#12 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:36 PM EDT
          ARodg

          With the recent flotilla incident, and the bull@!$%#, anti-semitic propaganda surrounding it, I'm sure those on the left will soon blame this spill on Israel.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#13 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:41 PM EDT
          lambnlions

          Excuse me while I rage ignorantly, please!...WTF? A second whole as if the first one wasn't bad enough, they're going to permit them to drill a second? To make crap worse, two months of leaking oil until then, and even then there's no real garantee?

          Pardon me, but where did the idiot line patrol begin from where does it end? Are these politician pockets being greased or what?

            Reply#14 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:59 PM EDT
            Tom's view from outside

            The second is to take pressure off the first.

              #14.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:13 PM EDT
              lambnlions

              Tom, thank you... I understood that, my point was simply to make aware the possibility of another Fk up and or is it worth it.

                #14.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:53 AM EDT
                kerfufflefuss

                got lots of work in that big area. Potus can offer employment to those with clean up potential.

                I understand they have room for a couple milion grubbers with the hip boots and a smile gets $17.50 an hour. The slimy gob slingers get $ 18.00.

                  #14.3 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 11:10 PM EDT
                  lambnlions

                  All the money they offer wouldn't be worth the bs. -personally- besides their record for safety at this point is in the septic. X amount blown up, others bawling about lungs, rashes, etc.?

                    #14.4 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 6:15 PM EDT
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                    fjfgjfjreDeleted
                    Robot7456

                    Obama is directly responsible for not responding to an emergency as this with every resource the Government has... What is sadly more gross , is that his African heritage belies a lethargic mannerism in regard to enviornmental safety; as The African has come to intimidate the natural enviornment as a means of political power : Horendous killings of civilians, piracy, and interference or the intimidation of interference with Wildlife conservation... Obama is at fault !

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#16 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:01 PM EDT
                    orange-756308

                    I'm sorry but I didn't understand your point

                      #16.1 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 12:44 PM EDT
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                      Tom's view from outside

                      The worrying thing is that there doesn't seem to have been a lot of thought about how to deal with this kind of situation beforehand. If you tap into a huge pool of potentially dangerous material, it's usually wise to have some pretty cast-iron idea of how to deal with problems, and how to STOP tapping in to it.

                      I realise they did have one system in place, which the explosion broke, but it's usually good to have a few backups.. and to have practised them.

                      We're all forced to do fire drills every year, and airlines are forced to do lots of emergency drills so they're prepared for worst case scenarios. Not oil?

                      The simple, unfortunate truth seems to be that neither BP, Obama or anyone else CAN do much.

                        Reply#17 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:11 PM EDT
                        lambnlions

                        Amen.

                          #17.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:46 PM EDT
                          kerfufflefuss

                          .....We're all forced to do fire drills every year, and airlines are forced to do lots of emergency drills so they're prepared for worst case scenarios. Not oil?........

                          Hey Tom..... "the airline fire drills..."---- how they do that at 20,000 feet?

                          I remember during the 707 and the "Polaris Engineering" early 60's days with the free cigars and bottles of wine in the front of the plane... We were close to the LA air port and were informed about a plane on fire. We landed and had to stay out on the strip and we stayed with the boose. We saw all kinds of fire trucks and later were taken by bus to the air port building. Turned out that we were in the plane what was on fire.... had to do with the landing gear as I remember being told

                            #17.2 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 11:31 PM EDT
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                            jopocop

                            Motto here with this whole GOM Deepwater BP debacle is don't trust a thing anybody says, whether it is Obama, or his administration, BP and others involved.

                            What we do know is that at this time the only real reality, is that the oil leak is destroying the GOM environment, and this leak could be ongoing for a time well past August.

                            In fact, to be safe, assume for your own sanity that this well will not be sealed for a long, long time, as there is liable to be so many complications and miscalculations and mistakes along the way.

                            The fact that there has been this feeble effort to capture escaping oil at the source just tells you that BP and Obama don't care really.

                            If you really care, then, you put every possible resource to work to capture the escaping oil.

                            Heck, we put a man on the moon in 1969, and so we can surely put a siphon on the escaping oil right away the leak started up.

                            Who they trying to fool here.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#18 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:14 PM EDT
                            Robot7456

                            That is exactly right ! Mr. Akers, in his post (4) , gives us a good example of the possibilities of an immediate fix ! Isn't the lethargy of The Obama Administration no more than the intimidation of the wrongs that The U.S. government has visited upon the world as 'necessary' , or, 'meant to be ' ? It is time people woke up to the fascism that is being exercised in the world by sleazy, dope ridden , opportunistic politicians in the world today ...

                              #18.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:04 AM EDT
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                              cangsanghong

                              whats going on so long time! Ask why?

                              http://www.showerhead88.com/

                                Reply#20 - Mon May 31, 2010 11:08 PM EDT
                                PerfectlyNormalBeast

                                And what if the two months lapses and it turns out that their attempts haven't worked? Another two months? And another? Do we jusr give up and depopulate the area? Move on to some other planet?

                                  Reply#21 - Mon May 31, 2010 11:32 PM EDT
                                  NoobPatrol

                                  Fortunately, the states it's primarily affecting are of limited value anyways. It really doesn't matter for the US when areas that are primarily funded from tourists and gambling are devestated.

                                    #21.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:46 AM EDT
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                                    Fezzy Bear

                                    Hello America, from other sources, """""""""""""

                                    In its latest attempt to stop the mile-deep gusher, BP is attempting an untested plan to use a dome to funnel oil to a tanker on the surface. Robotic equipment was being used to cut parts of a pipe 35 feet away from the wellhead in preparation for the dome.

                                    "We are intent on minimizing the flow of the oil into the Gulf and we've begun a series of operations to ensure just that," BP managing director Bob Dudley told CNN.

                                    If this attempt fails, it is possible that up to 19,000 barrels of oil a day (3 million liters) will leak into the Gulf until relief wells, due in August, are completed."""""""""""""" and also """""""""""""

                                    "If you've got to cut that riser, that's risky. You could take a bad situation and make it worse," said Ed Overton, a Louisiana State University professor of environmental sciences.

                                    The oil company also announced plans Monday to try attaching another pipe to a separate opening on the blowout preventer with some of the same equipment used to pump in mud during the failed top kill over the weekend. The company also wants to build a new free-standing riser to carry oil toward the surface, which would give it more flexibility to disconnect and then reconnect containment pipes if a hurricane passed through.

                                    Neither of those plans would start before mid-June and would supplement the cut-and-cap effort.

                                    BP failed to plug the leak Saturday with its top kill, which shot mud and pieces of rubber into the well but couldn't beat back the pressure of the oil.

                                    Meanwhile, the location of the spill couldn't be worse.

                                    To the south lies an essential spawning ground for imperiled Atlantic bluefin tuna and sperm whales. To the east and west, coral reefs and the coastal fisheries of Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Texas. And to the north, Louisiana's coastal marshes.

                                    More than 125 miles of Louisiana coastline already have been hit with oil. "It's just killing us by degrees," said Tulane University ecologist Tom Sherry.""""""""""""""""""""" some are wanting to know what Fezzy's opion is about the whole buisness? well without adding fuel to the flames, U.S. Coastal Waters are in tremendous danger already, and what is suprising is that we hear nothing from the International Community, you would think that the Kyoto Summit mean more than just lip service? anyway, as far as B.P. is concerned I think their assets should be frozen, since there is no way B.P. is going to pay for all this, the major suffers are first the Marine Life Fishes etc. and secondly the Gulf Coast Fisherman, thirdly for people like me, that like Gulf Coast shrimp will now suffer for B.P.'s incompitence, as to the Incident, note: that I did not say Accident, when the Drilling Engineer, knew that the rubber drill boot had showed up in the drilling mud, that would have been the exact indication that something drastic needed to be done, you don't pump out the drilling fluid without a way to hold back the methane gas, so B.P. people are responsible, this probably goes all the way to the top, but with the one caviot that the CEO of B.P. probably hasn't got the foggiest idea on how to drill an oil well, only that it must make money. so I blame the people on the Platform (many of whom are now are dead)., drilling is a very dangerous endevour on the land at best, let alone in one mile of ocean water. that may seem a bit brash, but short cuts happen all the time in the oil industry, this is just the most visible example. now many of you ask can anything be done to stop the oil flow? well that is the real question now isn't it? all of the planned contingancies failed, so now we are left with guessing, if this oil resovoir is at least 100 billion barrels of oil, with the current depth and ocean pressure all 100 Billion Barrels will likely end up in the Gulf, we will have an oil slick from New Orleans to Portland, Maine. so what is the most reliable solution? probably drilling a second well and pumping out whats left, this is way into the future. Fezzys thoughts on a more quick response, to the problem would be an alternative high risk solution, I suggest drilling a shallow hole near the well, packing it with high test explosives and blowing up the whole mess hopefully the well can be breached and the spill stopped. sincerely Fezzy bear

                                      Reply#22 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 4:01 PM EDT
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                                      lambnlions

                                      Obee 1, made a comment this morning(NPR News) about ," everyone's a critic, but not one of those critic has offered any solution", and for the most part, I think he's right there. I do however have grief with it.

                                      Obee 1, first off, I like you regardless, you have one hell of a job and I wouldn't in ten thousand years want it. Every one talks out the back end of their body at times, half not really understanding what it takes for what ever to work out.

                                      My issue with the comment: I am a consumer; I am a critic, consider myself to be objective in practically everything, even my passions, but this is one time I have to ask, "What the...?"

                                      Obee 1, British Petroleum should have had a contingency plan, in the event something like this happen. Where was the government in insuring that BP did exact as they needed to, before it came to this point?

                                      I criticize because of the total mismanagement. I personally offer no solution because it was not my job to find one, though I would be directly effected by their actions. You had no right standing on national television telling folks...critics off like that, when it should have been BP with the solution to fixing their own problems.

                                      I did hold to the idea that the pipe should be cut clean, had it in mind from day two; removing any bulky object(s) leaving the clean slate old pipe to sprew. Then take a new, slightly larger (10th of an inch) pipe, place it well over the old stationed pipe; while the new pipe is sliding over the old cut pipe, a connected large vacuum pump aboard a ship design for such things, should be sucking up the excess as the new pipe is driven over the old. The pipe that fits over the busted one can be then crimped into place at numerous stages along the lenght of the joined pipes, (please make sure that the new pipe has a shut off valve).

                                      Second solution for problem / oil floating around in the sea!... Find tanker ships with large pumps, and suck that it up!..Find the large patches and start sucking.. and hog dammit , it is that easy. Stop making @!$%# complicated and get to work.

                                      If these steps are done, the cost at best, minus LA and probable MS, will only have to deal with the occasional tar ball and slurry's.

                                      You said you're watching? You need to come see me one on one privately, let me ask you a favor.

                                      SOLUTION:

                                      near one's better...

                                      Mr.BP..get the flip off my tv screen..you don't give two hoot about my anything, if you did, you would have taken the necessary steps before you got to me, talking about you sorry. Sorry your behind got caught.

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