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Americans may give health care law a chance

Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:12 AM EDT
politics, health, us, barack-obama, overhaul, repeal
Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press

President Barack Obama walks down the stairs as he disembarks from Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base Monday, May 31, 2010. The first family was returning from a Memorial Day weekend in Chicago. (AP Photo/Drew Angerer)

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WASHINGTON — Toss it or fix it? Anxious backers of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law are starting to see a flicker of hope.

While polls show Americans remain sharply divided over the Democrats' landmark legislation, they aren't clamoring for its repeal.

Instead, the public seems willing to listen to candidates who would give the overhaul a chance and fix or improve it as needed. That's the signal from some surveys and a congressional race in a bellwether Pennsylvania district.

It's a pragmatic, somewhat counterintuitive outlook.

That could be a break for Democrats in the fall elections, since Republicans are campaigning hard for repeal of the health care law.

"Though most Americans still do not favor the law, they tend to be leaning toward candidates who would give it a chance and make some changes, rather than those who would repeal it and start over again," said Robert Blendon, a Harvard public health school professor who follows opinion trends on health care.

The law seeks to expand access to coverage by setting up competitive insurance markets and providing tax credits for many who can't afford premiums now. Most Americans will have to carry health insurance, and insurers will be barred from turning away people in poor health.

Those core provisions don't take effect until 2014, but tinkering has already begun.

Regulation writers at the Health and Human Services Department are filling in blanks that lawmakers left on critical consumer issues, such as guaranteed coverage for children with health problems. A House Democrat has introduced legislation to let federal employees keep young adult dependents on the government health plan this year, instead of making them wait until January.

Americans' nuanced outlook is reflected in some recent polls. For example, an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey found the public tilting against the law 44-38, with 36 percent saying the quality of their health care would get worse, and only 17 percent believing it would improve. Not exactly a vote of confidence.

But when asked if they would be more likely to vote for a congressional candidate willing to give the law a chance to work and make changes as needed, or one who would repeal it entirely and start over, respondents picked the one who would give it a chance by 55-42.

Political independents favored giving the law a chance 57-40 in the poll, taken in early May.

The closest thing to a real life test of such findings may have been the hotly contested election to fill the seat of the late Rep. John Murtha, a powerful Democrat who had long represented his conservative, economically struggling district near Pittsburgh.

Mark Critz, a former Murtha aide who ran as the Democratic candidate, said he would have voted against the health care bill, but also opposed its repeal.

"The health care bill is the law," Critz said during the campaign. "Let's look at it. Let's fix the things that we can. Let's improve it where we can." Critz's comments were incorporated into a hard-hitting ad by his Republican opponent. But Critz won the May 18 special election.

"The repeal message is falling flat," said Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "People want to work to implement the law and make changes as necessary, they don't want to go back and re-debate and re-litigate this whole issue."

Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor, the No. 2 House Republican, disagreed, saying "the health care issue was not determinative" in the Pennsylvania race, and "repeal and replace" remains an effective message for his party.

"When we go out into the district I represent, this health care bill is very unpopular," Cantor said. "It will raise costs. Businesses are scared they won't be able to provide benefits anymore. Moms are scared they won't be able to find a doctor for their children."

Still, Republicans face doubts about their own health care promises. An Associated Press-GfK poll in May found that 47-39 percent, Americans trust Democrats to do a better job of handling the issue. The trust gap persists despite the lack of popular support for the health care law. Indeed, respondents in the AP poll also said they opposed it by 46-39 percent.

None of this means Democrats are confident. Poll numbers on the new law are still too negative. Its complexity makes it hard to craft simple messages that sell the benefits.

"To date, the opposition has been more successful in defining (the law) than we have been," said Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. "The plan needs very careful and aggressive selling. There have been some efforts, but I think those efforts need to be quadrupled."

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Online:

White House health care site: http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/health-care

Virginia attorney general: http://tinyurl.com/353fkuc

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ibfishin

The new Health Care Law is a joke, setting a fire that will burn down the middle class while filling the pockets of the rich elitists since it has made it much cheaper to drop employee insurance and pay the minimal fine ($2000) than pay to cover them. Do the math. HA HA The lobbyists win again.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:58 AM EDT
my-pockets-r-mt

Americans may give health care law a chance

They don't have a choice.

"Though most Americans still do not favor the law,

Both statements speak volumes. Is this a government propaganda piece or what.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:28 AM EDT
Truth Hurts-840829

yeah we will give it a chance

in the supreme court.

if that does not work - nullification

:P

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 7:42 AM EDT
Ron Christman

Before the health care reform bill passed the following facts existed (and actually will continue to exist until it takes effect):

We were the only industrialized nation in the world without universal health care.

We were the only nation in the world to deny care because of pre-existing condition.

We were paying 16-17% of GDP for health care while all others averaged 10-11%.

Our infant mortality rate was almost double that of many of the countries with universal care.

Our life expectancy of (primarily) males was 1-3 years less than many of the countries with universal care.

We were one of few that did not have sharable health records that are proven to reduce errors in treatment and improve system efficiency (reducing costs by billions!).

This list could go on for hundreds of specific items where our health care system falls short of what is going on in the rest of the world. The shame of it is that much of the 'universal health care world' is using systems and processes developed by research done in our own country but not implemented here because we were more concerned about the profits of insurers than the health of our citizens.

The bottom line is that the world recognizes that universal health care is a major factor in insuring that a country has a healthy educated workforce capable of competing in the global marketplace. We have ignored that for 50 years.

Anyone who doesn't want this health care reform (as a start) hasn't been paying attention to reality.

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 8:26 AM EDT
Little Sure Shot

Ron....You list some good points but my resistance to this HCR is that I am not being given a choice as to whether I want it or not. They want to ram it down my throat not caring that it will financially choke the taxpayers. And to have Princess Pelosi threaten to jail me if I don't participate does not make it any more palatable. Also, if it is such a great thing, why is their a provision exempting Barry, Congress, and their families from having to participate?

    #1.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 9:48 AM EDT
    lessthan60morethan59

    Every time I hear someone say they don't want to be forced into buying health insurance, I think that what they are really saying is "If I end up in the hospital, I want people with heath insurance to pay for my care."

    Now I ask, which is more socialist, having to buy health insurance for yourself, or forcing others to pay for you're care?

    • 2 votes
    #1.5 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 10:54 AM EDT
    McSpocky

    Well done Ron Christman! I copied the text from your comment to have on hand...

    • 2 votes
    #1.6 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 2:40 AM EDT
    Truth Hurts-840829

    Every time I hear someone say they don't want to be forced into buying health insurance, I think that what they are really saying is "If I end up in the hospital, I want people with heath insurance to pay for my care."

    Now I ask, which is more socialist, having to buy health insurance for yourself, or forcing others to pay for you're care?

    what we are really saying is we will not be told to buy a product by the federal government = only the states have this power

    if my state says buy insurance - I will do it, or I will move to another state - that is called freedom of choice

    the feds do not have that power and I for one will not give it to them by default.

    I have always paid my hospital bills myself - I will not be forced into some risk pool to lower your costs - never gonna happen

      #1.7 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 8:33 AM EDT
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      hungary1956

      Obamacare needs to be seriously tossed....

      • 1 vote
      Reply#3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:45 AM EDT
      McSpocky

      For a long time we have been needing to fix the "Pay or Die" health-care system we have had. Too many people have suffered or died. We have finally done something positive that will help a lot of people, if the ditto heads will let it...

      • 2 votes
      #3.1 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 2:44 AM EDT
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      Beckyal

      My opposition to obamacare is that:
      1. it does nothing to reduce health care cost
      2. it does nothing to prevent health care to illegals
      3. I have to pay other peoples health care through tax credits
      4. it allows people to not get health care until they get sick so I have higher costs to pay for them
      5. it does nothing to reduce the number of lawsuits and since the number of lawsuits by illegals is increasing it should
      6. it allows adults up to 26 to stay on their parents health insurance (I am not talking about those who are sick but those who have jobs). The reason that I took jobs was for the benefits not because I liked the job. We have taken this away from people by doing this.
      etc. etc.

      There are good things about the health care reform but they could be improved. people who have pre-existing conditions deserve to be able to get insurance. If it is something due to the parent life style (i.e.drug addiction), then the parents should pay and not rest of america.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 8:20 AM EDT
      McSpocky

      So illegals should be allowed to die and rot on the streets?

      You already pay other peoples health care costs. They are forced to go to hospital emergency rooms, instead of much lower cost doctor visits. Then you pay extra for your visit to the hospital.

      You also need to research your other facts. They aren't very accurate either.

      • 1 vote
      #4.1 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 2:52 AM EDT
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      Chuck101

      Americans may give health care law a chance

      What option were we given? We have no choice but to give it a chance.

      The great thing is we do have a chance to let Democrats and Obama know how many more chances we are going to give them this November and in 2012.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 8:29 AM EDT
      Andi-1045453

      Like we had a 'chance' with any other legislation passed by any other Congress? Give it a rest.

      • 2 votes
      #5.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 9:24 AM EDT
      Truth Hurts-840829

      Like we had a 'chance' with any other legislation passed by any other Congress?

      a lack of past action does not allow for the assumption that any action is therefore "good"

      we will kill the bill one of three ways

      repeal

      the supreme court

      nullification

      • 1 vote
      #5.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 9:30 AM EDT
      McSpocky

      We voted for President Obama so we could have health care reform. We have it now, because the President did what he was voted into office to do, so lets give it a chance.

      Also, it will probably make it easier if you quit listening to FAUX news...

      • 1 vote
      #5.3 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 2:56 AM EDT
      Truth Hurts-840829

      We voted for President Obama so we could have health care reform. We have it now, because the President did what he was voted into office to do, so lets give it a chance.

      no. it is unconstitutional and therefore is un-enforceable.

      enjoy it while ya can - it will be scrapped soon enough, one way or another.

        #5.4 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 8:36 AM EDT
        Truth Hurts-840829

        Nullification - the final NO to the feds

          #5.5 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 9:31 AM EDT
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          onevoiceamongmany

          To everyone here obviously opposed to the law I have 4 things to say.

          1) Has anyone here actually read the bill or just gone on what you are told?

          2) Repeal will not work unless there is a complete super majority for the GOP; House, Senate, and WH all GOP

          3) The Supreme Court will not deem it Unconstitutional because of it is under a tax provision in which the Congress is allowed to tax people to raise income for the government for the programs it spends on the people.

          4) The last time nullification was tried was 1832 and the outcome was a stalemate if not a loss for South Carolina, the state that initiated the nullification via Calhoun. There was an act by congress to send military force to SC if not repealed after a lowering of the tariff rates was done, and a very meager rate decline at that.

          5) If you don't want to pay anybody else's health care then don't and pay the tax. Saying you don't have a choice about your own health care is absolutely hypocritical and false to the extreme. This coming from the same party that takes the CHOICE out of women's hands if they want to have an abortion or not that is. You don't want the government telling you what you have to choose or not, yet you want to tell women they cannot choose when it comes to their health care. Please stop the hypocrisy, it's really kinda sad at this point because its so plainly obvious.

          ** This is not aimed at any one particular individual more an ideology and line of thought. This is not aimed to offend any one individual or any group in particular but more just to outline some alternate points of thought**

          • 5 votes
          Reply#6 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:38 AM EDT
          McSpocky

          Thank you for some accurate information. It is truly a breath of fresh air!

          • 2 votes
          #6.1 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 2:58 AM EDT
          onevoiceamongmany

          Im glad so many of those on the right addressed my grievances with their accusations. It shows a lot. Thanks for the comment, I know how you feel and I am glad to have provided that same relief that you yourself have provided me a few times. Take Care.

            #6.2 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 10:16 AM EDT
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            Bighorn

            The health care bill is nothing else but a political event and will have a short life when the politicians that supported and continue to support it find that they will not be re-elected.

              Reply#7 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 12:27 PM EDT
              McSpocky

              They would not be re-elected if they had failed to legislate health care reform, which we voted them into office to do.

              • 2 votes
              #7.1 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 2:59 AM EDT
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              Patriot 8888

              Why is it that the country with the most expensive health care in the world has the best level of care?

              Why is it that the country with the most expensive health care in the world has many foreign dignitaries coming to the US for their care?

              Why is it that the country with the most expensive health care in the world has people willing to enter the country illegally to have access to our care?

              The majority of Americans are not against a health care "bill" - they are against a bloated kafkaesque authoritarian regime that would substantially expand government and costs. The American public are the victims of a fraud - the cost savings presented were fraudulent, the "no change in your care" mantra was fraudulent, and the manner in which the bill was passed was fraudulent. This bill is so convoluted that changes would be never-ending. Better to start over with a true "Care" bill that directly addresses overbloated costs. and insurance company regulation. November is coming soon!!!

                Reply#8 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 12:56 PM EDT
                Abresh

                We don't have the best healthcare in the world. The fact is that America in almost all categories is MEDIOCRE compared to other countries who have nationalized health insurance.

                Secondly, most foreign dignitaries who come to the United States for their care do so because their countries do not have the 'latest and the greatest' treatments that the United States does. If the situation was reversed, our dignitaries would be going to those foreign countries instead of staying here.

                Third, we do not have people willing to enter the country illegally for our healthcare. We have them entering the country to get access to ANY HEALTHCARE AT ALL, which their countries (Mexico, mainly) do not have.

                • 1 vote
                #8.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:59 PM EDT
                McSpocky

                Also, there are many people going to other countries for medical procedures now, because they can not afford to have those procedures done in the US. There are at least a couple of HMOs now sending people across the border to have procedures done, because of the cost in this country. And finally, there are a lot of countries that have universal health care where life expectancy rates are higher and infant mortality rates are lower because of that universal care.

                • 2 votes
                #8.2 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 3:04 AM EDT
                SidTheKid

                An example of how bloated costs are in the US is the price of a Heart Surgery(I forget if its heart replacement):

                $120,000 or more in the US

                $12,000 in India and Europe.

                Not because our doctors are better. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/forbes-india-dr-shetty-and-his-business-with-a-heart/96567-7.html. You can convert the RS to USD and find that its much less expensive and the doctors have very extensive work experiance.

                • 2 votes
                #8.3 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 3:25 PM EDT
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