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Analysis: How 2 million lost jobless benefits

Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:35 AM EDT
politics, us, analysis, aid, jobless-aid
Andrew Taylor, Associated Press
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<p>FILE - In this Jan. 19, 2010 file photo, Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio talks to reporters outside the White House in Washington, after meeting with President Barack Obama. Now that it's been shorn of unrelated tax and spending provisions that have held it up for over four months, a bill to extend unemployment benefits finally seems poised to pass. Republican Voinovich spoke out passionately of how vital jobless benefits are to people in his state and on the very street where he lives.  (AP Photo/Alex Brandon, File)</p>

FILE - In this Jan. 19, 2010 file photo, Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio talks to reporters outside the White House in Washington, after meeting with President Barack Obama. Now that it's been shorn of unrelated tax and spending provisions that have held it up for over four months, a bill to extend unemployment benefits finally seems poised to pass. Republican Voinovich spoke out passionately of how vital jobless benefits are to people in his state and on the very street where he lives. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon, File)

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WASHINGTON — Keeping unemployment benefits flowing for millions of workers whose jobs were eaten by the recession should have been a slam dunk in an election year.

But until this month, Senate Democrats have been unable to bring themselves to pass a simple bill that just does it. Instead they've demanded a series of unrelated and often controversial tax and spending add-ons that have enabled Republicans to mount successful filibusters.

Now that the legislation has been shorn of all the extras, the bill could win final passage soon. It can't come soon enough for more than 2 million people whose checks have been cut off in a five-month impasse in which there's plenty of blame to go around:

— Democrats and their leaders made several decisions that in retrospect look like miscalculations, like pulling the rug out from under a bipartisan measure launched back in February and loading a subsequent bill with $24 billion for governors — guaranteeing that most Republicans would vote against it.

— Republican moderates voted one way in March to help the bill pass but changed their minds just weeks later, having gotten religion from GOP leaders and tea partiers on the budget deficit.

Little remembered amid the ongoing partisanship and recrimination is that jobless benefits also got sideswiped by President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

To reduce the health care bill's impact on the deficit, Democrats decided to close almost $30 billion in tax loopholes. Until the final health care push, those revenues had been designated to cover the cost of extending other popular family and business tax breaks as part of a broad bipartisan jobless benefits package.

Besides the jobless aid, the measure contained a payroll tax holiday for businesses, tax breaks for business, health insurance subsidies and help for doctors facing a cut in their Medicaid payments. It had support from across the political spectrum, from Obama to conservative Senate Republicans.

Some liberals, however, balked at the deal, which was cut principally by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., and the committee's senior Republican, Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa. The liberals didn't like that their "jobs agenda" seemed hijacked by business lobbyists, who won items like research and development tax credits and some arcane measures such as tax breaks for NASCAR tracks. With unemployment hovering just under 10 percent, they also thought it was too light on subsidies for preserving and creating jobs.

So Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid blew up the agreement, instead advancing a pared-back jobs bill excusing businesses from having to pay the employer share of Social Security taxes this year on any new workers they hire. Economists were dubious it would produce many jobs. Meanwhile, unemployment aid would wait for later legislation.

"We could have had this bill passed in three days and ... Reid decided to scuttle it," Grassley complained. "Baucus read about it in the paper."

The delays meant that Congress had to pass a short-term extension of jobless benefits at the end of February. Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., worked out a deal for a quick vote to avoid an interruption in benefits.

But another Kentucky Republican, Sen. Jim Bunning, single-handedly held up the bill for days, demanding that government spending elsewhere be cut to pay for the jobless benefits rather than add to the federal debt. Bunning folded on March 2. But his fight resonated with tea partiers and millions of other voters worried about year after year of trillion-dollar deficits.

In the meantime, Reid resurrected the longer-term jobless aid package. He mixed in familiar elements like extending expired tax breaks and added a $24 billion package of aid to cash-starved state governments so they could avoid layoffs of tens of thousands of public employees — a key part of last year's economic stimulus bill.

The result was a bill adding almost $100 billion to the deficit. That meant that GOP support would be limited. But it still passed in March with support from several Republicans, including key moderate Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine and George Voinovich of Ohio.

That was the bill's high point. The political sands soon began to shift.

Another short-term unemployment insurance extension — needed to buy time for negotiations on the bigger bill — came at the end of March. It would be the last. Beginning in June, hundreds of thousands of workers unemployed for more than six months started losing the weekly checks.

More Republicans picked up on Bunning's position and demanded cuts in other programs, including Obama's $862 billion stimulus bill passed a year earlier, to pay for the extension.

It was a message the party felt increasingly comfortable with after losing the health care fight, especially as the European debt crisis roiled the markets and the U.S. government's debt topped $13 trillion. Republicans stressed that with the unemployment rate still near double digits, jobless benefits averaging $300 a week should be extended — but that they should be paid for.

"You never know in politics when that magic moment comes when things really begin to change, but I believe that it has occurred now," GOP Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona told reporters March 26. "I think you'll see a much greater commitment now to fiscal responsibility."

The short-term jobless aid extension passed, but it took until late May for their House and Senate negotiators to agree on a longer-term jobless aid package featuring new business tax increases but still racking up $115 billion in new government debt over the next decade.

This time, conservative House Democrats recoiled. House leaders were forced to sharply pare the measure back, eliminating new aid for state governments as well as a longer-term fix for doctors threatened with a 21 percent cut in Medicare payments.

The House passed the bill on May 28, returning the measure to the Senate, where debate consumed the Senate's entire June schedule. Democrats still wanted to help governors with their payrolls but ultimately acceded to cutting it by one-third and paying for it partly with cuts from last year's stimulus bill. Even that measure failed just before Congress recessed for the July 4 holiday.

Reid is now resigned to a stand-alone six-month extension of unemployment benefits at a cost of $33 billion. Aides say he will try to pass it when West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin names a successor to fill the seat of Democratic Sen. Robert C. Byrd, who died two weeks ago. Those who lost benefits will get them retroactively.

Democrats also maintain hopes of passing a $16 billion aid package for governors aimed at preserving the jobs of tens of thousands of state workers through the election. They intend to pay for it in part by cutting food stamp benefits.

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EDITOR'S NOTE — Associated Press writer Andrew Taylor has covered Congress for two decades.

(This version CORRECTS Updates that benefits would be restored retroactively. Corrects that state aid package cost is $16 billion; adds photo links.)

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milcon

I was just wondering where all the liberal and progressives were to defend Pres Obama's limitless unemployment benefits. The benefits that somehow can't be paid for by cost reductions, but only by increasing our huge budget deficits (by trillions of dollars). How in the hell can anybody support a welfare state that goes far beyond the ability of those that actually work and create wealth to support a 50% of those that don't contribute? We support a President that is increasing government jobs above the private sector (by far). These government jobs do not create anything except a bureaucratic mess with perpetual unsustainable union mandated government pensions, and hourly wages far beyond those of private sector wages (133 trillion dollars of unfunded monies). Look at progressive Europe for God's sake, and how their union and government entitlement socialist environment has gotten them into, and whehere it is leadig us to now. Our socialist community organizer President and his congressional supporters (Reid/Pelosi/and all others) must go in Nov.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:47 AM EDT
onevoiceamongmany

Because the GOP did such a great job with spending when they were in office. They really gave the people a bunch of those tax cuts for the wealthy which really helped keep the economy in great shape. All those regulations to wall street being cut and banks being allowed to be a hedge fund as well as a holding bank, such great things for this country. Oh and you can't forget about Afghanistan and Iraq and those unpaid for wars. Our grandchildren will be paying for those.

Meanwhile the democrats have stalled with the aid of the GOP to get a bill passed that would add .1% to the deficit. We are in a recession. No one has stated that these would be endless. There should be a cut off point for them, when we are out of this economic down turn. Right now to get money injected into the economy you need to give it to those who are going to spend it, not put it in their bank account or into wall st. The unemployed need money to pay their bills, buy food, direct spending into our local economy. No one is arguing for endless unemployment. We do need to cut the deficit, but not in a place where it can help us stir economic growth. If you want to cut something cut the defense budget for heavens sake. We have 47 bases world wide that cost 1.2 billion dollars a pop to keep open each year. And the GOP is complaining about unemployment benefits and how much that will add?

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:15 AM EDT
dirtyharriet1010

The extensions have to be stopped. The unemployed who have been collecting for over a year need take a job even if it is below what they were previously getting.

I have a few friends who were laid off are collecting social security AND unemployment for over a year. They have absolutely no intention of getting a job and are now complaining the "there are no more extensions". TOO BAD. They are cheating the system but feel it is their right because they "never collected before".

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:04 PM EDT
BubGlyder

I am 57 years old and collected unemployment in 1974 for a short time after serving in the military. I have worked my entire life. The budget cuts in California took money from education and mental health, which are my two careers. I was squeezed out of a faculty position at a California State University and three of the four clinics I worked for were forced to close, leaving me out of a job in counseling. I have collected unemployment for six months, have searched diligently for work in my professions, and I am now faced with continuing to deplete savings and cash retirement accounts which will result in tax penalties. Looks like I might have to go back to selling cars like I did 30 years ago. I can only hope that you will be one of my customers Dirty Harriet and I can make a huge commission. I wonder how your "few friends" will feel if they read what you posted.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT
onevoiceamongmany

There are 5 unemployed workers for ever 1 job opening according to the Dept of Labor. People are not lazy, there is simply no work. It is because the big banks are NOT lending to small businesses and small banks. They are still betting on Wall St. They will continue to do so until they are forced to loan to the small businesses. This can be done by creating a separation between holding and investment banks. If you want to gamble, then go gamble. If you want to be a holding bank then loan to small businesses. Without that division we are in trouble.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:27 PM EDT
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Steve-1994574

American Families,Veterans,Kids,Young and Old Americans,All types of Americans.

These Americans are suffering because the Republicans play the stall game in the SENATE!

They did'nt stall when it came to VOTING on if, OIL COMPANIES should put more in a fund per barrell for emergencies such as the gulf OIL SPILL! But stall extensions of unemployment to Americans. HOW SAD IS THAT AMERICA? Unless you are BIG BUSINESS,you go to the back of the line with Republicans! This is AMERICA ( AMERICANS HELP AMERICANS) Why do Republicans have trouble with that? But are they giving up anything,like the millions of American Families are?

 

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
dirtyharriet1010

The extensions have to be stopped. The unemployed who have been collecting for over a year need take a job even if it is below what they were previously getting.

I have a few friends who were laid off are collecting social security AND unemployment for over a year. They have absolutely no intention of getting a job and are now complaining the "there are no more extensions". TOO BAD. They are cheating the system but feel it is their right because they "never collected before".

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:03 PM EDT
Nadia T. Pugglesworth, III

Has it occurred to you that unemployment is higher than normal because there are fewer jobs available than there are job seekers?

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:09 PM EDT
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joe-589911

I've been saying this here for a while now but it falls on deaf ears; if the Dems are so “hell bent” in solving this unemployment dilemma use the stimulus $$$ ( 862 Bil) with BTW only 4% of it going towards infrastructure IE roads, bridges etc.; it's been reported that Obama is sitting on apprx. 450 Bil surplus/unspent $$$ of the stimulus; Using Obama’s favorite word during his campaign (transparency) at it’s finest, this slush fund is ear marked for specific projects, in specific districts this fall to purchase votes. Keep your eye on it, God knows the Lame Stream Media will be looking the other way.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:05 PM EDT
onevoiceamongmany

Joe do you have a source on the 4% figure you stated. I've read up to 25% but also seen some low ball figures too and I'm curious where you got the number from. Thanks.

    #3.1 - Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:27 PM EDT
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    Nadia T. Pugglesworth, III

    Reid and Pelosi have been doing this since the Democrats took over both chambers of congress. Disgusting practice. Even more disgusting that Obama who doesn't have the balls to stand up to either of them, goes along with it by blaming the Republicans for his own party's failures to govern every chance he gets. The whole thing disgusts me.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:09 PM EDT
    Harry A. Simon

    We NEED A TIER FIVE!!! I have saved the lives of four human beings. I have taught children. I have several college degrees and I have even been turned away from McDonalds having been told that they would rather hire a retired person who will do a good job, than me, because I will be bored. I work harder than anyone I know with a paying job, just trying to find a job. I work 7 days a week. My 99 weeks ran out last March 30th. My savings have now run out and I am living in my car. I have a PO Box and my cell phone. I only eat a few times a week. I am not even a number in this country anymore since I am not counted among the employed nor amongst the unemployed.

    WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THE PEOPLE IN POWER THAT THEY DO NOT WISH TO SEE THIS???

    Everyone who is in this position, and there are millions of us, are NOT slackers looking to live on the government. WE WANT TO FIND JOBS. You SENATORS (and you know who you are) who keep saying that by extending unemployment benefits it will take away our will to find work must be CRAZY OUT OF YOUR MINDS!!! This economy got this way over more than 8 years - it cannot be repaired in ONE or even TWO years. YOU HAVE SENT US THE MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WE DO NOT COUNT FOR ANYTHING IN OUR OWN COUNTRY!!

    THERE MUST BE A TIER FIVE. You think the numbers of unemployed are better. They are NOT! We are just no longer counted so it appears that the numbers have gone down.

    We who have been laid off are not to blame for the economy. However we are paying the highest price. We who go to the stores and feed the economy by making daily purchases will no longer be able to do so. The economy will have no foundation. NOTHING can remain standing without a good, solid foundation. Offering big tax breaks and huge bailouts to the banks and to big businesses is NOT the way to get the economy back on track. Making sure that the average person in this country can feed the economy by buying clothes, food, and luxuries is what will keep the economy growing. One must build from the BOTTOM UP. One cannot build from the TOP DOWN. The foundation must be STRONG before the next layer can be put on top of it. By denying a TIER 5 to the currently unemployed this country has just insured that the foundation of our economy WILL get weaker NOT stronger. This will cause the small strides we have made in growing our economy to slip backwards down to where they were more than a year ago. Millions of Americans have now been sentenced to no future, no place to live, nor food to eat. Many of these people have health conditions that require special diets so eating the foods given out at food banks is not an option. EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY, whether employed or unemployed, should contact their STATE SENATORS and tell them to add a Tier 5 for unemployment compensation to immediate legislation. IT WILL HELP EVERYONE IN EVERY STATE OF THIS COUNTRY IF THIS TAKES PLACE AND IT WILL HURT EVERYONE IN EVERY STATE OF THIS COUNTRY IF THERE IS NO TIER 5. It is now JULY and MILLIONs of people whose unemployment compensation has come to an abrupt halt have NO other means by which to live! Each month millions more people will be forced to live on NOTHING as their unemployment compensation abruptly ends! Where are all of these people and their families supposed to go? How are they supposed to live? What about the millions of children affected by this horrific situation? Has anyone in The Congress, Speaker Pelosi, or President Obama, thought of these large looming issues? Of course not because if they had there would be a Tier 5 instead of POLITICS AS USUAL so all of the terrible things about to happen to millions of people and their children would NOT happen in the wealthiest country in the free world! The current administration is supposed to be so worried about education. What on earth will this teach our children? Making these children and their parents homeless should not be an option if adding a Tier 5, and even a Tier 6 if need be, can stop this!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:34 PM EDT
    dirtyharriet1010

    Harry A. Simon

    NO TIER 5. You are nuts.

    The extensions have to be stopped. The unemployed who have been collecting for over a year need take a job even if it is below what they were previously getting.

    I have a few friends who were laid off are collecting social security AND unemployment for over a year. They have absolutely no intention of getting a job and are now complaining the "there are no more extensions". TOO BAD. They are cheating the system but feel it is their right because they "never collected before".

    BTW I'm a registered Democrat for over 40 years.

    • 2 votes
    #5.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:07 PM EDT
    onevoiceamongmany

    Your friends are in the minority then. Living off of unemployment is pretty tough to do alone. I had a friend try to do it and I gave him an earfull every day. He finally was forced to get a job because he couldn't keep up with rent payments. On average those who are unemployed DO NOT want to be unemployed and DO NOT cheat the system. I think reform of unemployment is necessary but during this time of recession is not the time to implement it with all of these people dependent on the benefits until the economy turns around. After that make the unemployed clean up the city, go to job training seminars etc. If they complete everything then they get their check. It's an easy fix. But right now we need to get cash in the average persons hand so they can spend it on the local level and get money moving again.

    • 2 votes
    #5.2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:33 PM EDT
    Nadia T. Pugglesworth, III

    Yeah, living off of unemployment is impossible. All it does is temporarily slow down the bleeding of your savings, foreclosures, repossessions, etc. In a normal "recovery," we would have seen jobs rebound by now, but this is not a "normal" recession and we are not in a "normal" recovery. The U.S. job market is undergoing a permanent structural change from one where permanent full time work was the norm to one where freelance or part-time temp work is the norm. Good luck being approved for a mortgage, car loan, etc. without a full time permanent job!

      #5.3 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:13 PM EDT
      onevoiceamongmany

      Welcome to my life. You don't get approved for anything financially. And you don't get health benefits, dental benefits, etc. You get a very crappy 401k deal and any group benefits they offer are catastrophic insurance only. Try living on a temp salary with those benefits and afford an apartment while paying off all your loans. It is near impossible. I am barely afloat.

      • 1 vote
      #5.4 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:18 PM EDT
      Nadia T. Pugglesworth, III

      I'm in the same boat but because I live in Mass. and make next to nothing doing part time work nowadays (I've been unemployed for over two and half years and counting), I qualify for MassHealth which is paid for by the state. We have mandatory health insurance laws in Mass. The insurance is actually pretty good. No co-payments for doctor's visits and very low co-payments for prescription drugs. Covers dental too and the coverage is excellent. Both the health and dental coverage is better than what I have received in the past from my private sector employer provided health plans.

      • 2 votes
      #5.5 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:30 PM EDT
      dirtyharriet1010

      Nadia T. Pugglesworth, III

      onevoiceamongmany
      Been there. Done that. I have been unemployed and lived on unemployment. I have worked temp jobs and lived on that. I also had 2 children that were in school and was a single Mom.
      I also lived on public assistance for 3 years when my children were small. Try living on $497 and $100 a month in food stamps with 2 children. That was a while ago but it was still very very tight.
      It is very hard. My children and I gave up a lot. But it can be done.

      • 2 votes
      #5.6 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:29 AM EDT
      Nadia T. Pugglesworth, III

      Most of the stuff people consider "necessary" isn't. The only things that you truly need are food, water, shelter, clothing, family, and friends. Fortunately, I have those.

      I've always lived within my means and other than a mortgage, an education loan (which I took out after losing my last job for retraining which i now regret) and a car loan for one year, I have always avoided debt. Since 2004 after being unemployed for 18 months after the dotcom crash, I've saved as much cash as possible from my jobs knowing the economy and job market is on shaky ground. It's come in handy as I have lived frugally but not excessively so since losing my last full time job in October 2007.

      • 2 votes
      #5.7 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
      onevoiceamongmany

      You are correct, it can be done. I am doing it but luckily I do not have many expenses besides basic necessities. I have cut down a ton and still need to do so so I can save more than $5 bucks a month.

      • 1 vote
      #5.8 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:41 AM EDT
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      BubGlyder

      I will not even begin to enter a political discussion because is feels so fruitless to attempt to figure out what congress is doing about this. I was raised by a military officer, come from a long line of military and I also served 1973-1974. I have a Masters Degree and I have worked for over 40 years. It is frustrating and the inability to find work affects my feelings as a productive citizen, something I have always been able to be proud of. I was taught to be disciplined, reliable, and hard working. Now I find myself feeling like a shell of the man I have always been and that a big piece of my identity is gone. I want to work and now that my benefits have ended, I will continue to deplete savings. One other option is to go back to school, earn a doctorate degree, re-invent myself, and run up a huge student loan bill. I would really like to ignore paying it back and simply say that was the money I was due. I also know that I am not that person.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#6 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:31 PM EDT
      onevoiceamongmany

      Bubglyder - I am extremely sorry that you are in this situation. This is why we need a PWA or some sort of civilian works program to get people working, even in the most meaningless jobs just to give them a paycheck to raise spirits. Our spirit has been cracked, not broken. I empathize completely with you, and thank you for your service in the military. You kept this country free the least we should be able to do is get you a job. I hope this comes true for you with haste. Take care, and thank you again for your service. Please let us know if your job situation changes.

      • 1 vote
      #6.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:54 PM EDT
      BubGlyder

      I just came back to this site, curious about what people are saying now that the extensions has been passed. Thank you onevoiceamongmany for acknowledging my military service. My Father spent 11 months in a German POW Camp, my uncle Bud (Dad's brother) was KIA in Okinawa, and uncle Ray (Dad's brother) made it home safely. My older brother Bub did "TWO" tours in Nam. One was more than enough. I am getting offers to apply for positions at community colleges, yet they are nearly a two hour commute. I am still applying, waiting to hear back, and willing to make the drive or even spend a few nights there if I have to. Teaching does not pay much, but it is much more than the unemployment stipend. I also love having the opportunity to touch lives in a positive way.

        #6.2 - Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:17 AM EDT
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