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Utah identifies 2 allegedly behind immigrant list

Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:35 PM EDT
us-news, technology, us, list, social-security, immigrant, undocumented, undocumented-immigrant, gary-herbert
Brock Vergakis, Associated Press

Gov. Gary R. Herbert and Kristen Cox, Executive Director of the Utah Department of Workforce Services, hold a news conference to discuss an alleged illegal immigrant list at the Utah State Capitol in Salt Lake City, Utah, Friday, July 16, 2010. Utah officials said Friday they have identified at least two state workers who apparently accessed confidential documents to create a list of 1,300 purported illegal immigrants that was mailed to law enforcement officials and the news media. (AP Photo/Deseret News, Jeffrey D. Allred) SALT LAKE TRIBUNE OUT; PROVO DAILY HERALD OUT; MAGS OUT; NO SALES

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SALT LAKE CITY — Utah officials said Friday they have identified at least two state workers who apparently accessed confidential documents to create a list of 1,300 purported illegal immigrants that was mailed to law enforcement officials and the news media.

Gov. Gary Herbert said the employees work for the Department of Workforce Services, which administers food stamp programs and other public benefits. The employees have been placed on administrative leave, and the state attorney general will determine whether to file criminal charges.

"It's a very small group. The people we've identified certainly have some strong political opinions and seem to be frustrated with some of the issues around immigration," said Kristen Cox, executive director for the department. "I think it's an immense hypocrisy to talk about taking people to task for being illegal and doing so by breaking the law."

Newspapers started receiving the list of names and personal information this week, and its publicity created widespread fear in the Hispanic community. The anonymous mailing said it also was sent to immigration officials. It demanded that those on the list be deported, although some named have said they are in the country legally.

"This tactic by these rogue employees to go out and to single out individuals and their families, in some case falsely accusing people of an illegal status, is in fact deplorable," Herbert said.

A U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman acknowledged that it received the list but declined to say whether the agency is doing anything with it.

ICE won't confirm whether it has been investigating anyone unless there is some type of action such as an arrest, spokeswoman Virginia Kice said. She noted that with limited resources, the agency prioritizes its efforts on dangerous convicted criminals, not sweeps or raids that would target undocumented immigrants indiscriminately.

Cox said there may be a few more people implicated in the leak of the names, but she's confident that the core group that is responsible has been identified.

Intentionally releasing a private record in Utah is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine. If someone stole such a record, it could be prosecuted as a felony with a penalty punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.

"We will begin an immediate, aggressive, formal investigation," Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff promised Friday on a conference call with national and local Hispanic leaders.

Herbert said accessing the private information and distributing it to federal immigration authorities is also a violation of federal law. Shurtleff said he would seek the help of the U.S. attorney's office.

"We're talking serious, felony-level crimes," Shurtleff said.

Hispanic advocates applauded how quickly the state acted to find the source of the leak and to assure the community that state policy doesn't allow for just anyone to access private information.

"The governor took the first step today to bring that trust back again," said Tony Yapias, former director of the Office of Hispanic Affairs.

Cox said most of the people are on the list because their children are receiving benefits. Herbert said there are two benefits administered by the state — food stamps and prenatal care — that would provide information that could indicate someone is in the country illegally.

The list that was mailed contains Social Security numbers, birth dates, workplaces, addresses and phone numbers. Names of children are included, along with due dates of pregnant women.

Officials continued investigating Friday even though state employees usually have the day off as part of the state's four-day workweek to cut energy costs.

Herbert, a Republican, is preparing to host a public summit on immigration Tuesday. The governor has said he will sign an immigration bill into law next year if he's still in office, but it's unclear how closely that bill might mirror one lawmakers recently passed in Arizona.

Arizona's law, which takes effect July 29, directs police enforcing other laws to determine a suspect's immigration status if there is reason to believe the person is in the U.S. illegally. The Obama administration has sued Arizona to throw out the law and keep other states from copying it.

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Associated Press Writer Paul Foy contributed to this report.

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jeremy-17

Something like this was started when I was in Afghanistan last year. What initially started out as a wanted flyer turned into a list of 200 possible Taliban fighters. As this thing circulated more and more Afghani started pointing out the Taliban in their area.

Maybe we should start something like this nationwide.

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Reply#1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:50 PM EDT
CynicL1

What part of this do you not get?

"It's a very small group. The people we've identified certainly have some strong political opinions and seem to be frustrated with some of the issues around immigration," said Kristen Cox, executive director for the department. "I think it's an immense hypocrisy to talk about taking people to task for being illegal and doing so by breaking the law."

Doing Illegal and Criminal acts to point out some one else who may or may not be here illegaly? That is the height of Hypocrisy.

"This tactic by these rogue employees to go out and to single out individuals and their families, in some case falsely accusing people of an illegal status, is in fact deplorable," Herbert said.

Or do just want to accuse everyone of being here illegaly, as long as they are brown and have hispanic names, and damn the constitution & the Rule of Law?

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#1.1 - Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:23 PM EDT
jeremy-17

as long as they are brown and have hispanic names, and damn the constitution & the Rule of Law?

When did I say anything about skin color or ethnicity? I pointed out that in a war torn country this method WORKS.

    #1.2 - Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:22 PM EDT
    bonos_rama

    Yeah, it works really well for a person who dislikes his neighbor and falsely accuses him of being with the Taliban b/c wants to see him killed.

      #1.3 - Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:40 AM EDT
      CynicL1

      Jeremy you personaly? Not that I am aware of, those who are ginning up the anti immigrant rhetoric, barely concealed but oh so evident.

        #1.4 - Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:12 AM EDT
        jeremy-17

        Yeah, it works really well for a person who dislikes his neighbor and falsely accuses him of being with the Taliban b/c wants to see him killed.

        Once or twice this happened but for the most part the locals were right. In an Afghani village everybody knows everybody. If there is something wrong they are quick to correct it and in my platoons case the elders reported troublesome "outsiders" to us to see if we could help when necessary.

          #1.5 - Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:08 AM EDT
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          jackmcgorr

          This show us that are Federal Government can not do the job of infoceing the borders Now you wounder why states like Arizona, and Texas have such law on their state book to deal with this problem.

            Reply#2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:21 AM EDT
            whatthetruth52

            I have to admit that this is a way to combat illegal immigration. In the article it mentioned a hipanic woman that was "scared" that she was on the list. She should be scared, she is in the country illegaly. I am not condoning breaking the law to get this information, but at the same time this, in my opinion, is like drug testing. If you don't take drugs you have nothing to worry about. I consider this the same as red light cameras, if you don't run red lights you don't have to worry about you picture being taken. This is the same issue, if you are not in the country illegally then you have nothing to worry about.

            This person knew, that when she had children that she was at risk of being deported and that her children would suffer. What was she thinking?? Did she think that she would somehow be exempt from the law?? What happened to taking responsibility for your own actions?? You do the crime, you do the time...

            It feels like we're being persecuted," she said.

            Of course your being persecuted, you are breaking the laws of this country. That is what happens when you break the law you get persecuted.... we try and find you and stop you from breaking the law... What part of that don't you understand???

            Again, I want to reinforce the idea that I in no way condone the release of private information that was obtained illegally. On the other hand if it was obtained legally then it would be like reporting a drunk driver on the road. Both have commited a crime and both need to be held accountable for that crime.

              Reply#3 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:40 AM EDT
              HeelsnHairMetal

              On the other hand if it was obtained legally then it would be like reporting a drunk driver on the road.

              How can you legally obtain the private info and medical records of people without their consent in a legal manner. What happened here was illegal whether it came from a government list or was complied by over-eager vigilantes.

                #3.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:23 PM EDT
                whatthetruth52

                How can you legally obtain the private info and medical records of people without their consent in a legal manner.

                I don't know? I am not a computer expert nor am I a vigilante. I am however playing the devils advocate. I don't think that this is a good idea. I wanted to see how many people would agree with me. This has not gotten enough attention to tell. I think that a persons right to privacy is paramount. This was a grievously terrible thing to do. I would ask the people that posted this how they would feel if their information was published in this manner. Whether or not they are illegal this is an invasion of privacy.

                I do however believe in upholding the laws of the united states. This should be a two pronged approach. The federal government should be going after the illegal immigrants regardless of race or country of origin, and we as a people should be going after the employers that hire illegals. I still say that if you don't give them incentive to come here they will leave. If we make it easy for them to work and live here then we get what we deserve

                  #3.2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:10 PM EDT
                  bonos_rama

                  Whatthetruth, we should give up all of our American rights and freedoms. If we are't doing anything wrong or illegal, we don't need to exercise them. You should pass that on to your Tea Party leader. I think they'd like it.

                    #3.3 - Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:42 AM EDT
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                    HeelsnHairMetal

                    You people are insane for giving this obvious criminal a pass. If even ONE name on that list belongs to a person who is in the country legally, they should both press criminal charges and sue who ever created this list in court.

                    And according to one article, at least one person on the list IS a legal immigrant who has been legal for the past FIFTEEN YEARS. How the hell did her information wind up on the list. See, this is the problem with vigilante wackjobs like whoever put this list together: you break the very same laws you accuse illegal immigrants of breaking.

                    If this information was taken from a government database, then a) they need to update their list and b) whoever unlawfully obtained that info should be prosecuted. If this is a private list compiled by a few individuals they are guilty of invading the privacy of the individuals on the list (ESPECIALLY if they are legal) and most likely have countless of other names of people they have researched and deemed legal.

                    Are you OK with random people being able to access your name, address, the names of your kids, your DOB, SSN, and medical records as they see fit? Im not!

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                    Reply#4 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:22 PM EDT
                    bonos_rama

                    Apparently our American rights and freedoms are silly anyway; nobody NEEDS those rights unless they have done something wrong. At least that's what many on the right are always saying or implying.

                      #4.1 - Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:44 AM EDT
                      CynicL1

                      bonos, let's see the Constitution is just a G** D***** piece of paper (Bush)

                      http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

                      and the Geneva Conventions are "quaint" (Alberto Gonzales).

                      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article426900.ece

                      Seems to be the rule of thumb for Republicans.

                      Rights? You Don't Need No Stinkin Rights!

                        #4.2 - Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:19 AM EDT
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                        mt-2005240

                        If they are illegal I am grateful for the individuals who took the time to put this list together,(I wish more people were as proactive) ICE obviously need the help. especially since they are only targeting those illegal immigrants who are in gangs and breaking other laws while here. but hey if they were deported as soon as their status is know then we will have less gangs and other problems( it's called nipping it in the bud). To all those who feel sympathy for those illegal immigrants you are more than welcome to sponsor them and help them stay here legally. Also all the store that have started putting there signs in Spanish STOP English is our language if they are in this country they can at least try to learn English, why make it easier for them?

                          Reply#5 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:08 PM EDT
                          bonos_rama

                          Do you feel sorry for the ones who are on the list and are NOT illegal? What do you think should be done about THEM?

                            #5.1 - Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:44 AM EDT
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                            Jim Reid

                            Perhaps the Gov. of Utah should reissue Gov. Bogg's Extermination Order..."Illegal aliens are a threat and must be exterminated or driven from the state".

                              Reply#6 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:49 PM EDT
                              1buddhist

                              This is unfortunate. It's not only racial profiling, it's harmful.

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                              Reply#7 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:40 PM EDT
                              jeremy-17

                              How can you legally obtain the private info and medical records of people without their consent in a legal manner.

                              The banks do it all the time. Shouldn't be that hard to get.

                              It's not only racial profiling

                              Here we go again. The problem is illegal aliens. Just because the large majority of the illegals are hispanic does not make it "racial profiling".

                              Hell, we should send a bill to Mexico to pay for all the stuff the illegals from there are stealing from us.

                                Reply#8 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:43 PM EDT
                                germanmiman

                                The illegals are breaking the law. If they were not breaking the law then there would not be a list of illegals. But the whole tone of this stupid article is about who leaked the list.

                                So what was the State of Utah doing about the list? The answer is nothing. Just a bunch of state employees sitting around on their butts, except the good one who released the list. The Utah Attorney General's office is no different that any other state AG offfice, just more overpaid state employees sitting on their as--- doing nothing but worrying how to protect the illegal immigrants.

                                I don't know who will be the worst President Bush or Obama. But then we could have had Kerry or McCain. What choices.

                                I hope all the liberal, socialist Democrats and Republicans are defeated this fall and replaced with Libertarians or at least with candidates supported by the Tea Party.

                                  Reply#9 - Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:52 PM EDT
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