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Airline fees make it hard to shop for best deal

Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:15 AM EDT
business, politics, us, airline, fees, airline-fees
Joan Lowy, Associated Press
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<p>In this photograph taken June 7, 2010, an American Airlines sign listing the fees for checked baggage is shown, at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport in Seattle. The Government Accountability Office recommended in a report released Tuesday, July 13, that the government improve the disclosure of airline fees, not only by airlines, but also by travel booking services.(AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)</p>

In this photograph taken June 7, 2010, an American Airlines sign listing the fees for checked baggage is shown, at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport in Seattle. The Government Accountability Office recommended in a report released Tuesday, July 13, that the government improve the disclosure of airline fees, not only by airlines, but also by travel booking services.(AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

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WASHINGTON — Finding the best deal on a flight has become a lot more difficult, thanks to hefty baggage and service fees that consumers often don't know about until they show up at the airline counter, congressional investigators say.

Those fees are not part of the ticket price, meaning they can easily go unseen until it's too late for the consumer to shop around. Amounting to billions of dollars for the airlines, the fees also are exempt from an excise tax, and some lawmakers want to reclaim that money for the Treasury.

Airlines, travel agents, online travel services and other ticket distribution channels should be required to disclose fees for checked baggage, changed reservations and other services in a clear and consistent manner, the Government Accountability Office said in a report out Wednesday.

Since 2007, many airlines have been charging for services that were traditionally included in the price of a ticket. That's improved airline bottom lines in a tough economy but raised the ire of travelers who find themselves nickeled-and-dimed to substantially higher costs.

Besides checked bags, some airlines charge fees for seat selection, extra leg room, prime spots in boarding lines, blankets, pillows, drinks and meals. "Those fees can be an unexpected shock totaling hundreds of dollars," said Charles Leocha, director of the Consumer Travel Alliance.

In the last budget year, 10 U.S. airlines collected $7.8 billion in such fees, congressional accountants say. The leader was Delta Air Lines, the world's largest airline, with $1.6 billion.

Rep. James Oberstar, D-Minn., who led a House hearing Wednesday on the matter, told airlines that the public will push back "and then Congress will act" if the industry does not show restraint with the fees. "That's not a threat," he said. "That's history."

Airlines say fees benefit passengers because they allow airlines to keep ticket prices down and consumers pay only for services they use.

"This is a deregulated industry and this is an industry that should be able to charge whatever it opts to charge for services," said David Castelveter, a spokesman for the Air Transport Association, which represents major airlines.

"There is no reason why one passenger should subsidize another for a service he or she doesn't consume," Castelveter said. He said airlines already disclose the fees consumers are most concerned about, like checked bag fees, on their websites.

But the GAO's Gerald Dillingham told the hearing airline fees "are not very transparent."

American, Continental, Delta, US Airways and United all charge $25 for the first checked bag, and $35 for the second, according to the booking website Kayak. JetBlue charges $10 and up for additional legroom. AirTran charges $6 for passengers to get seat assignments in advance, and sells exit row seats for $20 extra. Snacks at most airlines run $2 to $5, meals a bit more.

The Transportation Department is considering requiring airlines to disclose two ticket prices to passengers: a "full fare" with all mandatory charges like taxes, and "full fare-plus" with the extras.

Computer reservation systems used by travel agents and ticketing services are capable of providing clear information on fees that allows consumers to compare total trip prices. That hasn't happened because airlines won't supply the travel industry with fees, Kyle Moore, vice president of Sabre Holdings, which owns Travelocity, told the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.

Ben Baldanza, president and CEO of low-cost carrier Spirit Airlines, acknowledged that his airline doesn't provide ticketing services with fee information because he doesn't want to be at a competitive disadvantage with other airlines whose prices might appear lower because they exclude the cost of extras.

Moore said there would be no such concern if all airlines were required to supply ticketing services with the information.

The vast majority of consumers buy tickets based on the lowest fare, witnesses told the committee. About half the airline tickets sold in the U.S. are bought through ticketing services.

The government charges a 7.5 percent excise tax on airline tickets to pay for the air traffic system. The IRS ruled last year that optional fees aren't subject to the excise tax.

The report says the government could have raised $186 million last year if the checked bag fees alone had been taxed, an amount likely to grow as airlines charge more fees.

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AP Transportation Writer Samantha Bomkamp in New York contributed to this report.

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Online:

Government Accountability Office: http://www.gao.gov

House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee: http://transportation.house.gov/

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HeelsnHairMetal

Fly Southwest. Bags fly free. Good prices, decent snacks, and flies to a good number of airports. Cant go wrong...

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:31 AM EDT
Division by Zero

Unfortunately the nearest airport where I can catch a Southwest flight is about 90 minutes away. I can catch a Delta, American, Continental, or USAirways flight with only a 20-minute drive. When returning from a grueling 3-week business trip I'd rather be 20 minutes from home.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
CMlawyer

An educated consumer should have no issue with comparing fares. Check out at least two sites (Orbitz, Expedia, Tavelocity or Kayak are my starting points) and the airline's own site, get the basic fare. Know that the basic fare covers the cheapest seat. The airline site will tell you if bags are extra. Figure that in to the cost. Plan on bringing your own blanket, snacks and ear phones. Decide later if you want to pay for an upgraded seat selection. And, presto, you have it done. The real problem is taxes and air port fees. They can double the price of a flight. All in all, we are still paying about what we did 20 years ago for comparable distances, and surely gas, overhead, salaries, etc, have all increased in 20 years. Consumers have demonstrated a preference for paying less, rather than maintaining the service level. That leaves more money to spend at the destination. Same thing in the department stores- no sales clerks, but great sales. You don't like it: shop at Nordstroms instead of Macy's, or fly business instead of 2nd class.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:49 AM EDT
Norcal2

It gets even more complex for travelers because the airlines have "Partners" that contract for the flights they book. We are heading for China next month and booked the flight via United. United gave our contract to Asiana. Asiana does not charge for 2 bags per person on their International flights. United did not charge us for getting there or all the Asiana flights to get there. But they may tack on a baggage fee for our final leg between LAX and home. The shortest leg of our trip may be the most expensive.

Good luck figuring it all out if you have transfers and partner airlines. Even in our final ticket, every flight is clear except that last leg. I'd like to see these add on fees clearly added on to every flight you consider when they give you an initial cost for the flight. There is no excuse for this game they are playing. How much you pay depends on when you bought your ticket and whether they passed a new fee onto travelers and you are included in that new group. Don't think all the fees are clearly available. I have 2 airline tickets that prove it is very unclear.

We will iron it out at the airport. I don't mind paying if I know what I am paying when I book a flight. I am not a passive flyer as I actually look up the added costs but there are many areas where an airline can be vague.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:52 PM EDT
CMlawyer

On international flights, all the legs of the flight should be free for baggage. We just flew local to Frankfurt to Zurich, and back the same way, with no charge at all on Lufthansa (with partner flights on United and Continental for some legs.)

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:55 PM EDT
Kshark

HeelsnHairMetal--

Unfortunately Southwest is unassigned seats and first come first serve and they overbook.

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:04 PM EDT
HeelsnHairMetal

HeelsnHairMetal--

Unfortunately Southwest is unassigned seats and first come first serve and they overbook.

Oh I LOVE the fact that seats are unassigned. That means I always get to sit wherever I please. I get the the airport VERY early and never have an issue with finding whatever seat I want, lol

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:09 PM EDT
Norcal2

CMlawyer in the case of our flights to China that last leg reverts to luggage requirements for that flight and states so. My way of saying, though in many cases you get the rules for all flights lined up, in our case they changed the wording overtly to the unspecified amount of the United flight on the last leg. I am going to specifically make sure I know what to expect at the airport before the flights. Not like I can do much but argue about it but we'll see. It is hard to imagine that they would book you with the International luggage rules applying for your carrier (2 pieces per person) and appear to get you on the shortest return portion within the states. The odd thing about this is every single flight is on Asiana except that last United flight.

Here is how it reads for all flights:

Baggage allowance is 2 pieces

For the last leg it states:

Baggage Piece Concept shall be applied

I understand the rule on the "Piece Concept" but what is unclear is whether or not the omission of luggage amount only on the last United flight means we'll have to pay for luggage approved by their partner carrier.

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:22 PM EDT
Norcal2

I'll add the only rule I found on this stated:

"On some flights between two foreign cities, your allowance may be lower and may be based primarily on the weight of the checked bags rather than the number of pieces. The same two bags that cost you nothing to check when you started your trip could result in expensive excess-baggage charges under a weight system. Ask the airlines about the limit for every segment of your international trip before you leave home, especially if you have a stopover of a day or two or if you are changing carriers."

It doesn't exactly answer the domestic question but it may be a hint.

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:45 PM EDT
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FarmerFrog

LOl everyone is learning to do this now.
Look at ticket master.. they take a $20 ticket and turn it into a $50 dollar bill.

http://i.imgur.com/LAYrD.png

look at colleges.

They raise tuition each year faster than inflation.. it's horrible, especially since endowments tend to be up as well. But what is worse, they hide how much they really are raising prices, By raising all kinds of other things on top of tuition, including activity fees, food and housing fees, parking fees and fines, book costs.. etc. The true increase is even worse than what is reported.

Lol try to get your tire changed at walmart. Is it cheaper than pope tire? It says $19 for a tire, while pop says $49 complete for the same tire. But at walmart they charge, stem fee, rotate and mount fee, road hazard fees, suddenly that $19 tire is $50.

The "free market" is most effective with not only adequate competition, but also with adequate information. Customers in a market can not make intelligent free market choices without adequate information.

IE total costs.

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:56 AM EDT
Good Grief!!

The "free market" is most effective with not only adequate competition, but also with adequate information. Customers in a market can not make intelligent free market choices without adequate information.

But, but... who is going to make sure that they provide that adequate information? Will they do it voluntarily knowing that a consumer might not choose them because of that information? So, that would leave the government to require them to provide it. That's evil. That's anti-free market. That's.... SOCIALISM!!

<sarc>

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:16 PM EDT
Quando omni flunkus moritati

So, that would leave the government to require them to provide it

Or option B. don't go back and tell your friends not to go back force them to change their businesspractice do to lack of revenue. Or we can be lazy say that's too hard I want someone else to do it for me (government).

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:48 PM EDT
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jbird

I live on a simple plan. I moved away to be with my wife. I travel to see my blood relatives every spring. I pay the airline tickets. My folks up N, front cash for the anticipated fees. Easier to find the true deals when it's organized this way. In an unfortunate way, my airline selection is made easier by the gate fees charged to airlines by airports. It means my selection options are limited in the 1st place.

    Reply#3 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:23 PM EDT
    Bighorn

    If you cannot afford to spend the $25 to check your bag why are you spending several thousand dollars on your trip. The same people that complain will spend the $25 on a bottle of wine and not think twice. If you think you are getting nickel and dimed next time you get your cell or telephone bill look at all of the additional costs added to you basic cost, if you even look at your bill.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#4 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT
    HeelsnHairMetal

    Wow. Thats a pretty big generalization.

    Im concerned because I book travel for a basketball team with a tight travel budget. $25 for one person isnt bad, but when you have 25 people with 2-3 bags that $35 quickly turns into well over $1000.

    When I travel by myself, trust me, I am not spending thousands of dollars. I visit family in CA from time to time and only spend $$ on airfare and snacks. An extra $50 matters...

    • 2 votes
    #4.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:44 PM EDT
    LS-415070

    Yup, I will spend $25 on a bottle of wine before I spend it on checked bags. I at least get to enjoy the wine! For $25 with my bag I get some creepy guy pawing through my underwear, stealing things from my bag, and I don't even get the insurance that my bag will get on the right plane, arrive when I do, or be in the same condition I gave it to them in.

    So, yes, damn skippy, I will buy wine before I check bags!

    And, like Heels, an extra $50 does matter! A lot!

    • 1 vote
    #4.2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:50 PM EDT
    CMlawyer

    Soyou'd rather have everyone's base fare go up $50 each way to cover average bag costs, then have the baggage hogs with three bags pay $75 and control your expenses by packing one bag and only paying $25? The fees will be somewhere- better where I can control them!!!

      #4.3 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:57 PM EDT
      Division by Zero

      What I would like to see is for every airline to allow one checked bag of 50 pounds or less for free and charge for additional bags or overweight bags. I have seen flights delayed by as much as 20 minutes while passengers struggled to get their carry-on bags situated. With one free checked bag more people would check their bags and more flights would depart on time. It would also make deplaning much faster because fewer passengers would have to retrieve heavy roll-aboard bags from the overhead compartment.

      • 1 vote
      #4.4 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:27 PM EDT
      Quando omni flunkus moritati

      I have seen flights delayed by as much as 20 minutes while passengers struggled to get their carry-on bags situated

      nothing aggravates me more when a flight attendant ask me to put my one carry-on (a laptop case) under the seat in front of me so someone else can place their "carry-on" that was bigger than my check luggage in its spot. Then to make it worse they get annoyed at me when I tell them no.

        #4.5 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:32 PM EDT
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        jim1000

        "Let the buyer beware" is still a favorite quote for those that deny that 21st century marketing makes comparison shopping and true competitive pricing a relic of the past. You can spend all your spare time buying smart and still get screwed. Corporate policy across the board seems to be, "Give us the money we tell you to and SHUT UP or we will make your life hell!"

        Other people will suggest that we simply don't buy from dishonest merchants and services. Does that include all the essential items and services provided by monopolies, duopolies, utilities and industries in silent collusion?

        What party has been the driving force behind this phenomena that puts poor men in jail while criminals in business get awards and yachts? Just asking!

        • 1 vote
        Reply#5 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:43 PM EDT
        Matti Viikate

        It would be good to make a law that requires to report the whole price when ticket is bought. I don't need it my self, but i can see that it would be useful.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#6 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT
        E Hall-1909469

        Yes, let them charge what they want for whatever they want....just don't let the airline industry come begging for my tax dollars for a bail out! Fly SW, basic flight, no frills, good prices, and friendly service. There is NONE better!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#7 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:24 PM EDT
        Auteur 1536

        That is why I carry on.

          Reply#8 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:44 PM EDT
          LS-415070

          That's all well and good, but you can't carry on everything you need! What if you're going somewhere for 2 weeks?????

            #8.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:51 PM EDT
            Division by Zero

            Carry-on is good for personal travel of short duration but not so good for business travel. I travel for business and am often gone for 2-3 weeks at a time. There is no way I can pack enough clothes for such a trip in a carry-on bag, especially if I pack business and casual clothes.

              #8.2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:50 PM EDT
              Auteur 1536

              What if you're going somewhere for 2 weeks

              You'd be surprised what you can pack with a little careful planning and organization. Also, there are coin laundry mats in other states and countries, so even if you only pack for about 5 days you can still get through 2 weeks.

                #8.3 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:46 PM EDT
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                Bernard-372061

                Good seed. Airlines and Hotels in particular are getting away with these literally LAST SECOND fees that should all be illegal because they are deceptive to the consumer.

                Everyone should post warnings about these deceptions on the company websites and review sites for all to be warned. We also need LAWS to fine airlines and hotels that do this. This is textbook consumer fraud!

                  Reply#9 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:45 PM EDT
                  Fairly Reliable Bob

                  OK, heres the deal...

                  If the fares stay the same as they were in the 60's, the revenue has to come from somewhere.

                  Remember, walking is not crowded.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#10 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:37 PM EDT
                  Merewen

                  That's all fine and well, but aren't they also squeezing more people on the planes? I flew from Philly to Sacramento with a lay over in Atlanta and I was uncomfortable the whole way. What is their justification? It's not like they are actually paying the pilots like they used to or even the attendents. Ohhhh, must be top and stocky heavy.

                  • 3 votes
                  #10.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:25 PM EDT
                  Division by Zero

                  That's all fine and well, but aren't they also squeezing more people on the planes? I flew from Philly to Sacramento with a lay over in Atlanta and I was uncomfortable the whole way. What is their justification?

                  Their justification is that we have shown that we like cheap fares. Since they can't raise ticket prices by all that much, they cut amenities and cram more people onto the planes. A few years ago Continental removed 2 rows of seats from their planes in order to space the rest of the seats out more to give passengers more legroom. Passengers instead opted for the cheaper fares offered by other airlines and didn't appreciate the extra legroom of Continental flights at all. Continental decided a couple of years later to add those two rows back to their planes. People have demonstrated by their actions that they don't want legroom, hip room, or amenities. They want cheap flights. We get what we pay for. Sure, we SAY that we want more room, but when it comes down to it, we really want cheap tickets. We can't have it both ways.

                  • 1 vote
                  #10.2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT
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                  Fairly Reliable Bob

                  Bernard-372061

                  explain last minute fares from airlines. Are you sure you are not talking about on-line travel agencies, such as expedia and others? Fine...

                  Maybe we should go back to regulated travel and re-invent the CAB. Then you can put the hammer down on the airlines, because all the fares will be regulated. This will be good for the airlines as it was in years past.

                  So, sorry, you can't have it both ways. Isn't deregulation great.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#11 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT
                  Division by Zero

                  Deregulation has not been profitable for airlines but it is doubtful that re-regulation would help. In the past 7 or so years there has only been one consistently profitable airline, tiny Allegient Air based out of Las Vegas. They have only been profitable because they serve a niche market, they only fly refurbished planes, and their employees are signed to multi-year contracts with pay indexed to the company's profitability. They also charge the passengers for everything -- luggage, blankets, pillows, snacks, drinks, everything.

                  Back in the days of regulated air travel, airlines couldn't compete on price so they competed on service. They offered meals on even the shortest flights. They served more alcohol more freely. Pilots and flight attendants were paid very well and their attitudes showed it. They actually ran ads talking about how their service was better than that other airline. They also flew a lot of half-empty planes.

                  In the deregulated market airlines raced to the bottom to offer the cheapest fares. They actually designated some routes as loss-leaders, selling tickets for far less than the actual cost of the flight in order to beat the competition. Meals ended on short flights, then were restricted to first class, then were pretty much eliminated except on the longest flights. Pilot pay and flight attendant pay went down drastically. The airlines created the regional carriers so they wouldn't have to fly those short, unprofitable routes. Planes got smaller and more crowded. But fares were low and passengers would put up with the discomfort.

                  We cannot have it both ways. We cannot have roomy planes and cheap fares. We cannot have free meals and snacks as well as cheap fares. We cannot have decent pay for the flight crews as well as cheap fares. We cannot have free checked baggage as well as cheap fares. We cannot have excellent customer service along with cheap fares. We cannot have our cake and eat it too. We will reach a tipping point where customers will either stop flying or decide that the amenities are worth paying more.

                  • 1 vote
                  #11.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:09 PM EDT
                  Merewen

                  We cannot have roomy planes and cheap fares. We cannot have free meals and snacks as well as cheap fares. We cannot have decent pay for the flight crews as well as cheap fares. We cannot have free checked baggage as well as cheap fares. We cannot have excellent customer service along with cheap fares. We cannot have our cake and eat it too. We will reach a tipping point where customers will either stop flying or decide that the amenities are worth paying more.

                  Do you think the fares are cheap?

                  • 2 votes
                  #11.2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:25 PM EDT
                  Lord Mcniff Palmer

                  Merewen: Thought I had lost you:>) so pleased to have found you:>) Here in the UK, they have designed a seat that you stand up in!!!. It means that up to 50% more people can be fitted into the aircraft!!! I don’t like the idea, but we shall see. Take care, hope it’s not as long before we cross again :>)

                  Mac..........

                    #11.3 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:34 PM EDT
                    Merewen

                    Still here Lord Mcniff Palmer!

                    I don't know if I would want to spend a flight standing up. The most comfortable flight I've ever taken was an international flight on my way to London. I understand it's a longer flight, but I think I paid $100 less to flight to the UK then I did to fly to Cali.

                    On a side note.... I'm trying to get to Scotland next year :P

                      #11.4 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:39 PM EDT
                      Division by Zero

                      Do you think the fares are cheap?

                      Fares are currently about as cheap as fuel and payroll expenses will allow. The airlines went in a deep hole a couple of years ago when aviation fuel prices spiked and they didn't adequately adjust their fares to accommodate the fuel price spike. Fuel prices have come down somewhat but airlines have to make up for their huge losses a couple of years ago. Airlines also have to deal with the fixed cost of payroll and deal with fact that when union contracts are renegotiated those unions will likely want more pay or better benefits, both of which have been eroded in the past few negotiations. Pilots, flight attendants, and mechanics are not going to want to continue with the downward spiral of their pay while airline executives get multi-million dollar bonuses. Airlines have also been trying to shift away from the "loss leader mentality" of charging less than it actually costs to fly certain routes. They would prefer to be profitable on all routes, not just a few.

                      • 1 vote
                      #11.5 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:44 PM EDT
                      Lord Mcniff Palmer

                      Merewen:

                      Let me know when you plan to come. I have my own aircraft, but I am not licensed to fly over the Atlantic. I can however pick you up and get you to Scotland. Contact me through email. Will be happy to try to help any way I can. you can even stay with us!! I employ two badly behaved American girls in their 20’s, who will make sure your life will never be the same :>) keep in touch

                      Mac……………………….

                        #11.6 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:57 PM EDT
                        Merewen

                        Thanks Mac

                          #11.7 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:00 PM EDT
                          Lord Mcniff Palmer

                          No problem:>)

                          mac....................

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