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Consumer confidence retreats further in July

Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:02 AM EDT
us-news, business, us, confidence, consumer-confidence
Anne D'Innocenzio, AP Retail Writer

FILE - In this file photograph taken June 2, 2010, shoppers Joselin Pena, left, and her niece Ingrid Romero, center, both of Boston, load packages into their car after shopping at a Target location, in Boston. A monthly consumer survey shows that Americans' confidence in the economy eroded further in July amid job worries. The reading raises concern about the economic recovery and the back-to-school shopping season.(AP Photo/Steven Senne, file)

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NEW YORK — Americans' confidence in the economy eroded further in July amid worries about a job market that has proven stubbornly stagnant. The report raised concerns about the overall economy and the back-to-school season.

The Conference Board, a private research group, said Tuesday that its Consumer Confidence Index slipped to 50.4 in July, down from the revised 54.3 in June. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected 51.0. The decline follows last month's nearly 10-point drop, from 62.7 in May, which marked the biggest since February, when the measure also fell 10 points.

The second straight month of declining confidence follows three months of increases.

With unemployment stuck near 10 percent and the stock market having wiped out gains made early this year, Americans are skittish about spending. A continuing stream of sobering economic data — from disappointing job figures in May and June to weak housing numbers — is increasing worries that the economic recovery is stalling just as government stimulus programs are disappearing.

One component of the Consumer Confidence Index, which measures how people feel now about the economy now, declined to 26.1, from 26.8. The other barometer, which measures respondent's outlook over the next six months, declined to 66.6, from 72.7 last month.

The index — which measures how shoppers feel about business conditions, the job market and the next six months — had been recovering fitfully since hitting an all-time low of 25.3 in February 2009.

Economists watch the number closely because consumer spending accounts for about 70 percent of U.S. economic activity and is critical to a strong recovery. A reading above 90 indicates the economy is on solid footing.

The Conference Board survey, based on a random survey that was mailed to 5,000 households from July 1 to July 21, showed that consumers' assessment of the job market was more negative than the previous month. Those claiming that jobs are "hard to get" increased to 45.8 from 43.5 percent, while those saying jobs are "plentiful" remained unchanged at 4.3 percent.

Consumers were also more downbeat about future job prospects. Those expecting more jobs in the months ahead declined to 14.3 percent from 16.2 percent, while those anticipating fewer jobs rose to 21.1 percent from 20.1 percent. The proportion of consumers expecting an increase in their incomes declined to 10 percent from 10.6 percent.

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AlphaDogReporter

And the less people spend, the longer the recession will last. The U.S. has a 70% consumer-based economy, and the consumer savings rate has gone up an average of about 3% over the last two years. That increase is pulling almost $4 trillion a year OUT of the economy. Savings is great on the one hand but is a huge factor in keeping the economy stagnated.

On the flip side, 29% of all companies are reporting that they are planning on increasing hiring over the next 12 months, many larger corps are reporting either increased or record profits, and housing sales are up, so it's just a matter of time before jobs come back.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT
rick-673281

"so it's just a matter of time before jobs come back."

That can be said about any recession or depression.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:39 AM EDT
lessthan60morethan59

On the flip side, 29% of all companies are reporting that they are planning on increasing hiring over the next 12 months

The company I work for just hired two new people. One starts tomorrow and the other Monday. We're also looking for a larger building so we can almost double the number of employees we have now.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT
The Observer

What company do you work for? In what city?

Some unemployed newsviners may want to apply for work.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT
Pamela Drew

AlphaDogReporter...The U.S. has a 70% consumer-based economy, and the consumer savings rate has gone up an average of about 3% over the last two years. That increase is pulling almost $4 trillion a year OUT of the economy. Savings is great on the one hand but is a huge factor in keeping the economy stagnated.

Once upon a time, way back when banks used savings on hand to calculate leveraged loan amounts to go back to the community, rather than to make bets on how many are foreclosed, conventional belief was to encourage savings as a way to build value.

The system worked too. Community banks made wise investments in a place they knew with businesses they understood as part of the economy. People spent their money at the butcher, the baker and candlestick maker, who in turn bought a car and went out to eat, which kept money circulating locally.

Now we have Wall Street fare on every corner. America runs not on the Mom and Pop Diner, but America runs on Dunkin. What are we growing with our consumer spending when our big box stores peddle Made In China everything, including dog food.

What we need is savings that is leveraged to improve our community assets, not to build a toxin spewing dog food factory abroad. There's a wonderful piece by CNN, as fitting today as it was in the first term of Bush Jr. when it was written. Sometimes folks tell it like it is.

October 3, 2003: 10:32 AM EDT
By Justin Lahart, CNN/Money Senior Writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The American consumer has become deeply addicted to spending, running up ever higher levels of debt in order to live in a fashion that is beyond his means. And the world has become equally addicted to the consumer continuing to burn through cash.

It's a dangerous situation -- potentially a bubble that dwarfs even the U.S. asset bubble that burst in 2000 -- and it will be a challenge for policy-makers to keep it from ending badly....

"We have a Fed that wants a booming economy, but the only way the consumer can continue to fuel the economy is through continued debt accumulation," said Rosenberg. "I don't know if there's an easy way out."

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
Pamela Drew

sorry, forgot the link

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT
Rob-510663

Could it be that the current economic policies of penalizing those who pay on time are not working. I mean we bailed out large corporations, ponied up to unions, etc, etc, and what do we have 10% unemployment, debt out the wahzoo, government bigger and bigger, less freedoms, less opportunity, and less everything. I guess this is what spreading the wealth means. All I can say is BOHEICA because were going to get it again.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:38 PM EDT
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KyleN

Those Keynesian 'animal spirits' are being stubborn and stimulus programs aren't tricking them into spending. Perhaps the market is smarter than the government gives it credit for after all. Now all we have is more debt, less investment, and still a stagnant economy.

I predict this will encourage the government to double down on it's failed stimulus policies and see just how low we can really get.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT
OhYeah1946

For almost a year now, we have been exposed to report after report stating that we have turned the corner and the economy is on the mend, that things are not that bad, that happy days are here again. There is a problem with these messages. They ring hollow at best!

The real unemployment rate (that which includes all of the unemployed, not just those still collecting unemployment benefits) is at 21.7%. Yes, the government figures state that unemployment is at 9.6% but that percentage reflects only those individuals still collecting unemployment benefits. The individuals who have already collected the maximum, are self-employed but without work, or have given-up looking for work after a year or more are not counted by the government. The “U6” figures are the most accurate unemployment figures and even the “U6” figures do not include all of the unemployed. Remember when we were told that unemployment would not exceed 8%?

An recent AP article titled “Homes lost to foreclosure on track for 1M in 2010” and written by ALEX VEIGA states that the number of homes foreclosed on in 2010 will exceed 1 million. In 2009, the number of homes foreclosed on was just over 900,000. The number of foreclosures prior to 2009 averaged just 100,000 homes. The number of home foreclosed on climbed 900% since November of 2008. Does this sound as if we are headed in the right direction?

Those lucky individuals who managed to either keep their jobs or find new jobs did so at a reduced pay rate. Benefits at many jobs have either been drastically reduced or eliminated. Jobs are being shipped off shore at an astounding rate and many foreign nationals are being brought to the U.S. to fill existing jobs at a lower rate of pay than the U.S. citizens who once held those jobs were making. Again, I ask, “Do you think this is heading in the right direction”?

The current administration and Congress should have been promoting and passing legislation that would (1) give companies a reason to create new public sector jobs, (2) give companies a reason to keep jobs held by taxpaying U.S. citizens here in the U.S. and filled by U.S. citizens, and (3) give companies a reason to bring jobs that have been sent off shore, back to be filled by U.S. citizens. How, you might ask, could they do that? The answer is quite simple really, tax breaks! You see, companies are in business to make a profit for the individuals who invest in them. When taxes go up, those companies will find a way to reduce expenses, thus keeping profits up and one way to do that is to find cheaper labor, which usually translates to off shore hiring. Large enough tax breaks would provide the impetus necessary to reverse the trend to replace taxpaying U.S. workers with foreign nationals.

Until the government realizes that the average U.S. citizen prefers a leg-up to a handout, the deterioration we are currently experiencing will continue. The bottom-line is this: Rather than taking steps that would create a job rich environment, the current crop of career politicians chose to focus on programs that would push spending (and ultimately taxes) to obscene levels. Programs like Cap and Trade, Obamacare, Stimulus, Cash for Clunkers, Bank Bailouts, and Automotive Company Bailouts have created a fiscal chasm that will probably take generations to bridge.

When U.S. citizens are told the truth and work together, they can accomplish any task but these two elements are key to beating the economic morass we currently find ourselves in. The truth has been quite scarce coming out of Washington recently and those elected officials (from both sides of the political aisle) warming the seats there offer divisiveness and partisanship . . . not leadership.

So, the next time you hear “The recovery plan is working”, question the intelligence, the veracity, and possibly even the sanity of the speaker. If you think things are bad now, just wait until your income taxes are raised to pay for the insane level of spending that has been going on since January 20, 2009! Obama has time most of the tax increases to begin right after his first (and hopefully only) term ends.

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:39 AM EDT
blueingoregon

The answer is quite simple really, tax breaks!

Jobs are being shipped off shore at an astounding rate and many foreign nationals are being brought to the U.S. to fill existing jobs at a lower rate of pay than the U.S. citizens who once held those jobs were making.

Since Reagan and especially under GW Bush the tax rates for corporations have been reduced!! But companies are still, by your very own words, shipped off shore at an astonding rate!!! So maybe more tax breaks isn't the answer!!

How about increasing taxes on products shipped into the US???? If by your own words, coporations answer to their investors, if they have to pay significant tariffs on products shipped into the US, and if the US is still the largest consumer on the face of the earth, then the most profitable way to make profit is to build factories here!! Hence the increase of salaries since US workers are somewhat higher than third world countries!! Hence putting more money in the government through taxes and there by decreasing the deficit!!!

The bottom-line is this: Rather than taking steps that would create a job rich environment, the current crop of career politicians chose to focus on programs that would push spending (and ultimately taxes) to obscene levels.

There is a small business bill before Congress right now that would allow funding at low interest rates, but of course the Republicans are against it!! However, they are all for corporate welfare for Multi-billion dollar companies!!

just wait until your income taxes are raised to pay for the insane level of spending that has been going on since January 20, 2009!

Actually, Obama has lowered tax rates for the middle class. The only proposed tax increase is on the wealthiest, 1% of the country and that is a "temporary" tax cuts, meant to provide a stimulous to "create" jobs, put in by Bush. It did create jobs, just in other countries!! Tax cuts, subsidies, incentives don't work!! Even Warren Buffet says the rich need to pay more!! With tax loopholes and incentives and shelters a lot of the rich don't pay ANYTHING in taxes!! Look at the couple who own the LA Dodgers, they pay $0 in taxes after earning $108 million!! If we cut taxes any more for them the government will have to PAY them!!

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:51 PM EDT
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blindsided-1194485

No jobs + no income = no spending. It doesn't take a Nobel prize economist to figure this out. America's days as a consumer nation are over. People here are in survival mode. The companies that took all the decent jobs overseas overlooked one fact; It doesn't matter how cheap your goods are if people don't have money to purchase them. Go sell all your crap to the Chinese and Indians. They have all the jobs.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT
sb001Deleted
Ladyd1951Deleted
Brian-497171

Don't blame me! I just bought a house and have been basically direct depositing my paychecks at Home Depot.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
AuntEDeleted
Harry Griswold

Why Social Security is failing!

FDR signed SSI into law in 1935. At the time it was created, the monies collected via payroll taxes were held "IN TRUST" for those Taxpaying Americans who contributed to the plan. A lock-box type of trust was established and these monies were not supposed to be touched except for the uses designated by the originally established bill. However, LBJ pushed through legislature in 1968, which moved these monies from the protected lock-box type of trust they had been in since 1935, into the General Fund as a means of helping to pay for the escalation of the Viet Nam War. At the time this move was made, there was a tremendous excess or overage of Social Security monies. The real problem came when these monies were never moved back into the lock-box trust they came from. Once any monies are in the General Fund, they are up for grabs by The President, the Senate, and worse yet, by Congress . . . basically, any career politician who is capable of garnering a vote to direct these monies into projects requested by the lobbyists representing the special interest groups who contributed heavily to their re-election campaigns. This, Sonia, is why Social Security is in trouble. The politicians we have elected since 1968, from both sides of the aisle, have basically stolen our future for their own personal gain so they could continue to ride the political gravy train.

Since we will never get Term Limits passed for these corrupt career politicians because they must lend their support to them, we can apply term limits ourselves by voting every incumbent out of office before they can build and strengthen these corrupt ties to special interest groups. In 2010 and again in 2012, we can vote every single incumbent out of office. I am not foolish enough to believe that the politicians we would replace them with are any less corruptible but if we keep pushing them out the revolving door via our vote, they will never again get the chance to build the strong ties that now exist. That is the only way we can take back our country from the corruption that exists on both sides of the political aisle.

After taking our country back, we must begin proceedings to place all social security monies back into a lock-box type of trust and to get back all monies borrowed from this fund by the government. It should be made clear to the government and all politicians that these funds are never to be touched again other than for the purposes for which it was originally designed. It should also be made clear that these monies are to be distributed only to those American Taxpayers who have contributed for at least 40 quarters to the fund or to their families (children) in the case of an early demise. This certainly does not include illegal immigrants who have never contributed to the fund.

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT
ProudGrandpaDeleted
Angela1586572

We are tired of purchasing school supplies that state: " made in China!" Please bring the Jobs back to America.

From now till September, many Americans will have to tighten their belts. Our children need new school clothes,

shoes and jackets. Our schools require so much from parents. They are responsible for furnishing school supplies

for each of their children. Some parents, with limited income really struggle during this time. While many are quiet,

observe their pain and frustration; they are saying " WE NEED HELP."

  • 2 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:00 PM EDT
blueingoregon

Angela, please, I know it is hard but please try to buy American!! That is the only way we can bring jobs back is if the consumers of this country put their foot down and say, " I want American Made!"

Everytime we buy something made outside this country we are costing Americans 100+ jobs!!Few jobs means fewer taxes, fewer taxes means our schools can't even supply paper to our kids!! Corporations don't give a damn, about school expenses, they only care about making profit!! If we start cutting into their profit they will WAKE up and bring jobs back!!

Angela, we need to do this NOW, so OUR kids won't have to face these troubling economic times. If we don't stand up now, our kids may face even worse time ahead!!

  • 1 vote
#11.1 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT
Angela1586572

100% correct--you are. I do buy American only. The price may be higher, but at least there is a little flag
that always says: "Proudly Made in America." Same goes for the clothes, shoes, jackets. However, many Americans
can only afford essentials which are made else where.

What about the textbooks? College, high school, middle school, elementary! These books are made in China.

These Corporations should give a damn. Our college students pay big bucks for used school books. Some students
have protested by not purchasing required readings and or books.

Where we live, students supply the schools with their needed supplies. Everything from school paper, pencils,
to kleenex to hand sanitizers. Now, X (times that) with 3,4,5, kids.

Once our students return, usually a week or two later, schools ask for more supplies. In essence, we are
suppling all the schools with ALL supplies. That is WHY (Y) we are asking to see the (PI).

  • 1 vote
#11.2 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:21 PM EDT
Angela1586572

I observe the faces of parents and listen to their conversations. They look right at me and vise-versa.

We all agree. We simply demand change. One thing that some corporations could do: DONATE school supplies.

We feel for the poor. Especially for the children whose parent and or parents say: " Every year the schools ask

more from us." Corporations could donate: new clothes, shoes and jackets. If they are so worried about their
big profits, they certainly could use the write off, yes! Maybe they simply don't think like we do.

  • 2 votes
#11.3 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:58 PM EDT
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blueingoregon

When corporate America start investing in the businesses and workers of America then we will start spending again. Corporate America, who has 90% of the wealth in this country, is sitting on their money "waiting" for improvement. I don't see how they could expect us, the little people, to be running out shopping!! We scared too!! It is time corporate America lead this country!!! They need to start taking the "risk" and invest back into this country!!! So many people here believe in Capitalism propels society, but that only happens when risks are being taken. Without risk you lose those big payoffs, if you don't take the risk, you don't get the rewards!!

We, the American people, also need to wake up and demand that corporations bring OUR jobs back!! We need to go back to the Pre-Reagan era of tariffs!! Tariffs protected this country from exactly what we have now, corporations taking jobs away and then making huge profits by transporting their goods for sale in the US. If Nike has to pay a $200/shoe tariff on shoes they make outside the US, they will bring our jobs back before we can say, Shoosh!!! If they don't, there are lots of tennis shoe makers who will willing supply us in shoes!!

We, Americans, also have to take responsibility for our consuming!! BUY AMERICAN!! Are you as angry as I am that every product you pick up is made in a different country!!! For every product out there made outside the US, there are 100 American jobs gone!! We need BUY AMERICAN and bring back jobs!! Remember when Walmart promised us every product in their store was MADE IN THE US, well it is time to make them go back to that market stradegy! We are still the largest consumer of goods in the world, we have the power over corporations to force them back to our shores!!! Nike is NOT going to pass up the billions of dollars in sales they have a year just to make their products at slave labor costs!! They bring back the factories and make a fair, vs obscene, profit and sell shoes and Americans will make fair wages and buy more shoes!!

Henry Ford made sure his workers were paid enough to afford his cars. His simple logic was his employees were the best marketing he could buy!! Corporations have been undercutting our wages for decades. The last significant wage increase was 1979, since then cost of living has far out reached the stagnant wages we earn. Why are we working our a$$ of to give someone else the American Dream!! We are hard working and deserve a good job and fair pay!! These uber-wealthy corporations would be nothing without the hard working middle class that built them. Now they want to throw the middle class away like a fast food wrapper!! We, the middle class, need to stop this NOW!!! We need to get back to Tariffs and Unions!!! We need to make sh!t here, and we need protections from corporations who don't give a damn about us!!

When was the last time a corporation did anything for you, accept take you money and cut your wages!??!

  • 4 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:17 PM EDT
bauer-899752

why i am shocked that consumer confidence eroded.

  • 1 vote
Reply#14 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:22 PM EDT
Angela1586572

Our school system does get a majority of our taxes. Yet, every year programs are cut for our students. Where are

our taxes going? I need to see the pi...soon. That is: exactly how much/where the taxes are going. I am amazed

that our public schools can count on so much % of our taxes yearly while our families are struggling dearly!

  • 2 votes
Reply#15 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT
blueingoregon

Well, to start with, more and more people are earning less and less!! Taxes are based on income and income has been stagnant since 1979. Also, the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy didn't help. When you have multi billionaires paying next to nothing then the amount of the tax funds are hurt!! The couple from California, who owned the Dodgers, earned $108 million and pay no federal tax and only a pittance in state tax. Warren Buffet, on of the 5 wealthiest men in the country litterly paid less in taxes than his executive assistant, not a percentage an actual dollar amount!! When the wealthy 1% have 90% of the wealth and they pay very little in taxes, that has an adverse effect on the 90% of us with 10% of the wealth.

We have the lowest taxes rates since before Reagan. Last year of 40% of America didn't even pay taxes. Yet, there are many here who still think that the taxes are to high??? For who?? Repbulicans just last week tried to cut taxes again for the wealthy, however they thought that extending unemployment, which you pay taxes on too, was to costly for the country!! Republicans believe the rich are entitled to pay nothing in taxes, leaving us little folks to fit the bill!! Like when you have saved for months to go to great restuarant, and next to you at the best table getting their dinner for free is some rich a$$hole who cut you off in traffic, so you had to go around the block three times before finding a space, meanwhile he has valet service!!

I am sick of working to make someone else's dreams come true!! I have my own little dreams and they don't have a right to take EVERYTHING away from me! If it wasn't for us, the workers, their corporations would still be on their garage floor!! They are not entitled to push all the responsibilities of this country off on my shoulders and then take my job away and give it to someone who will do the work for pennies a day! They are NOT entitled to make cuts and laysoffs and then give themselves multi million dollar bonuses!! They are not entitled to harm our country or kill employees just to increase their quarterly profits!!! They are not entitled to get their lives back when they have ruined thousands of other lives!! I am sure that Hayward jerk got a nice parting bonus which will let him live lavishly the rest of his life, meanwhile all of those hard working honest to God American have their lives in RUINS!! We need to stand up and hold corporations accountable!! De-regulate are you INSANE!!We need to regulate the Hell out of corporations to make sure they act in fairly and ethically. Greed will never act fairly and ethically, and think otherwise is just stupid!!

  • 2 votes
#15.1 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:28 PM EDT
mike from wisc

? Property taxes pay for schools, Not income taxes. 60% of your property taxes go to the school. We are all sick of paying for someone elses dream. Cut social programs and we could all be happy.

  • 2 votes
#15.2 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT
Angela1586572

Mike, you are right. Property taxes pay for our schools. That is the (Pi) which we are requesting to see.

Cut what social programs?

  • 1 vote
#15.3 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
blueingoregon

Mike, public schools also get federal funding!! Even in your own community if the wealthier people are paying less than the poor it will affect the funding of your schools.

Believe me NO ONE is getting rich off of SSI or Medicare or FOODSTAMPS or Welfare!! However, the corporations like INTEL, Nike, HP, companies who have taken their factories across the ocean to 3rd world countries and exploit workers for pennies a day, instead of staying here paying a fair living wage are getting OBSCENELY RICH!! And they did that courtesy of the Republican party!! Who to this day give tax incentives to companies who ARE off shoring jobs that Americans once did!!

It is unfortunate that you don't support "social" programs!! I guess you want the old to go with out health care, and die of starvation, I guess it is okay with you children die of starvation, I guess in you Un-Christian heart that helping your brother is beneath you! But Jesus was the unltimate socialist, he gave everything he had to those who were less fortunate than himself and he instructed those who follow him to do the same!! I beleive Christ is our savior and only through doing his work will we find everlasting salvation!! I don't mind providing for those who have less than me and I don't mind paying for those things we all share as Americans, roads, parks, infastructure, military, airports, public transportation.

If you hate taxes so much moved to a country where they don't have to pay taxes!

  • 2 votes
#15.4 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
Angela1586572

blueingoregon, well stated. You also left out law enforcement, first responders and others who are working
with crumbs! (Used that word because their (pi) is so limited.) These folks risk their lives 24/7.

We do not enjoy watching our poor feeling inferior, our children who must attend school with holes in their
shoes, used clothes, no supplies or back packs for that matter. And come fall and winter time, our kids won't
even have a decent sweater or jacket to stay warm. Go figure.

Real nice where CONGRESS is concerned. Just in the time of need, during this time of greed; congress is taking
their vacation......!!!!!

  • 2 votes
#15.5 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:31 PM EDT
Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

It is unfortunate that you don't support "social" programs!! I guess you want the old to go with out health care, and die of starvation, I guess it is okay with you children die of starvation, I guess in you Un-Christian heart that helping your brother is beneath you! But Jesus was the unltimate socialist, he gave everything he had to those who were less fortunate than himself and he instructed those who follow him to do the same!!

I too believe in Christ, but we can also learn from the Gospel of John:

But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected,

"Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages."

He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.

Congress, being keepers of the money bag and being the ones that dip into it without hesitation or reservation are the ones that come to us continually asking for money, trying to explain why we should be taxed for everything imaginable with the explanation being to help the poor. I contend that their greater concern is (and has been) nothing but self survival, and that anything other than that is a facade, the likes of which hasn't been recorded since the days of Judas.

If anything, the Bible attempts to teach us to do our goods out in the streets...to first hand help those that are crying out for it. If someone is hungry, feed them. If someone is tired, give them rest. If someone is hurt, heal them. Jesus sought to help people, but it was firsthand, hands on assistance, not through bureaucracy and red tape, which does nothing more than allow for greater corruption.

  • 2 votes
#15.6 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:16 PM EDT
blueingoregon

Shawn, I do agree, however unfortunately we live in a Nation of people who call themselves Christians but seldom practice Christianity. So the burden for the poor fall to nation who has the wisdom to take a little from everyone to help provide for those in need. If we truly want to be a Christian nation we need to have social programs so the people Jesus would help do not have to go without!! I guess it's a matter of being Christian or just saying your a Christian, it is two seperate meanings.

With over 40% of the country not even paying fedearl taxes, how can you be taxed for everything? I agree, the Congress and Corporations, use OUR taxes to fund the private projects and that needs to STOP!!! Do you realize that less than 10% of the national budget is spent on social programs. The military is a big budget ticket, but also most of the money paid our in taxes goes to corporate subsidies and incentives, which has only quicked the haste of corporations to move off shore. After all if you can move your factory to somewhere which pays pennies a day and get a US government subsidy would you do what is most profitable? We need to cut off ANY corporation who receives subsidies/incentives who off shores jobs Americans can do. Then we need to charge tariffs for products shipped in!! Just imagine how quickly we could pay down the deficit if these two principles were in place??

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#15.7 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:25 PM EDT
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cwyatt-989470

The Middle Class in America Is Radically Shrinking. Here Are the Stats to Prove it
Posted Jul 15, 2010 02:25pm EDT by Michael Snyder in Recession
Related: ^DJI, ^GSPC, SPY, MCD, WMT, XRT, DIA

From http://www.businessinsider.com/">The Business Insider

Editor's note: Michael Snyder is editor of http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/">theeconomiccollapseblog.com

The 22 statistics http://www.businessinsider.com/22-statistics-that-prove-the-middle-class-is-being-systematically-wiped-out-of-existence-in-america-2010-7#83-percent-of-all-us-stocks-are-in-the-hands-of-1-percent-of-the-people-1">detailed here prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence in America.

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer at a staggering rate. Once upon a time, the United States had the largest and most prosperous middle class in the history of the world, but now that is changing at a blinding pace.

So why are we witnessing such fundamental changes? Well, the globalism and "free trade" that our politicians and business leaders insisted would be so good for us have had some rather nasty side effects. It turns out that they didn't tell us that the "global economy" would mean that middle class American workers would eventually have to directly compete for jobs with people on the other side of the world where there is no minimum wage and very few regulations. The big global corporations have greatly benefited by exploiting third world labor pools over the last several decades, but middle class American workers have increasingly found things to be very tough.

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Reply#16 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT
Anathema6205

Even though money is tight, we still find a way to have a little fun; go get a game or movie, go to the theater, go to a concert...not too much, but you can't forget to live a little.

It helps the economy and it keeps us all sane. :D

I'm proud to say I've gotten a job as an illustrator.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel folks, we just gotta hang in there.

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Reply#17 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:53 PM EDT
Rob-510663

Unfortunetly its a train heading toward us and we cannot stop it. Its call trillions of dollars in debt and entitlements. BTW I am neither a "D" or "R" I realize that neither party really cares about anything other than money and power and how to get more of both.

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#17.1 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:39 PM EDT
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boneclinkz

The death knell of the United States. We had a pretty good run.

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Reply#19 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:32 PM EDT
Dr Know

The cheerleaders in the MSM are finally having to report the truth about the economy.

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Reply#20 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT
willynilly

People, dont waste your money on junk from Target, save all ya money for healthcare. Without a public option - costs are going through the roof. That's right, its going to be pretty costly if ya get sick!! Good lucky

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Reply#21 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT
blueingoregon

Thanks to the TEA PARTY who were funded by Uber Big Health Insurance companies. Dick Armey and his Army of koolaide drinkers ruin it for everyone!!

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#21.1 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:39 PM EDT
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oneforall

This is not a self-recovery type of recession. Surely the advisers and economists reporting to the president and congress know this, but they refuse to acknowledge it publicly. This recession is more emblematic of the great depression in it's depth and reach. The current conditions reflect a society undergoing dramatic political, social, economic and structural changes and it will take years for the nation to adapt.

The stimulus was far too small and much too tepid to counter the forces which created this recession. There were a number of actions which still could prevent the recession from lapsing into a double dip recession or depression if the government would act.

1) The government should impose strict control over the largest troubled banks and financial institutions, they should audit their books, and they should break them up and restrict their use of assets and limit their investment practices. The government should have acted to insure that loans are available for small businesses and home buyers.

(2) The government should freeze all home foreclosures, subject to an independent review of home valuations and mortgage terms. Loan terms should be modified to reflect changing market conditions and tax credits should be provided to home buyers to offset declining home values.

(3) The government should immediately implement a jobs programs which offers: (a) public service employment, (b) small business on-the job training projects, (c) public works projects, (d) subsidized vocational training and secondary education grants, (e) business tax credits for expansion of U.S. based eoperations and employment, (f) new technology tax credits for businesses providing innovation and/or more economical designs for the delivery of essential products and services.

(4) Military spending should be scaled back immediately.

(5) The top income tax rates should be raised to 50% or higher. Corporate tax rates should be restructured to incentivize real development and expansion.

Since the first stimulus is running out, the nation will soon begin to slide backward toward another recession. Most state and local governments are experiencing severe budget problems and may soon begin laying off teachers, firefighters, police officers and others, in addition to cutting essential services. As these cuts take effect, the unemployment rate will continue to grow and conditions will become more dire and desperate, especially for the long term unemployed and those who were evicted from their homes. More relief programs will be needed just to keep people alive.

This recession which will not correct itself, not anytime soon. It will take aggressive action, in the form of a direct stimulus to create jobs and expand small business activity, in addition to some major restructuring of banking, insurance, and real estate, in order to prevent another depression. Unfortunately, with congress deadlocked by obstructionism, the likelihood of averting another economic collapse appears slight. These problems are systemic within the government itself, a government controlled by outside interests, which have no interest in making the structural changes necessary to avoid economic disaster. Even if every member of the House or Senate were voted out of office, it would make no difference. The politicians are merely the pawns; they are dispensable. The nation stagnated by the economy, gridlocked by politics, and controlled by greed. The only choice presented by the mid-term elections is one of more gridlock or one of democratic dominance.

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Reply#23 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:20 PM EDT
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Rob-510663

Penalize the rich, penalize the rich, remember one thing here folks, no one ever got a job from a poor person. So the more restriction the less jobs. Plain and simple. As a business owner who creates jobs restriction cost money, that means I cannot create as many jobs. Governemnt would never do that to the big guys they are in their pockets. It would be the small guy like me that would be hurt and we create most of the jobs.

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#23.2 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:36 PM EDT
Angela1586572

If President OBAMA has encourages Americans to open up small businesses, what type of restrictions are
you referring to?

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#23.3 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:21 PM EDT
blueingoregon

Rob, actually most of us got jobs from some small business owner!! Most of us don't work for Uber-big Multi-billion dollar companies!! BP is the 4th largest company in the world, did you know that? We are IN NO WAY talking about penalizing the small companies which are really the foundation of OUR country! Only 1% of the the US earns over a billion dollars, yet 90% of this country has 10% of the wealth. Think of it this way, If I have a dollar, I keep 90 cents of the dollar and I give you 10 cents to spread through 1000 people!! They have families to feed, and mortgages, and they have their own little dreams to live. Then with MY 90 cents I take away the jobs of those 1000 people including you. I also expect you to pay the taxes to keep the WHOLE country running, even though I ship my products all over the country to sell to you, and I use the electricity and water and sewer which you taxes dollars helped pay for. I take my 90 cents and put it in some foriegn bank so I don't have to pay taxes on it! Now you and your 999 friends should let me rape the land and seas of this country so I alone can make billions more dollars and leave you with unbreathable air, dirty polluted water and no resources!!

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#23.4 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:57 PM EDT
oneforall

Wow, what Liberal thinking. The government is the answer. Never the government's fault. They are only the answer.

No, Manfred, the government broke it, so the government has to fix it. Who else is going to do it? You? Corporations? I am not a fan of the liberal/conservative crap which gets tossed about so easily, but using your context, are you a conservative who offers no solutions, only criticisms of that which you don't understand, who believes the government should do nothing?

And no one is being taxed 100%. The top income tax rates are still at some of the lowest rates in history as are the corporate rates. The average corporation only pays about 11% in income taxes and many of the largest are currently posting record profits. The nation is currently experiencing a gross imbalance in the distribution of wealth and capital, as a result congressional campaign payback policies, and as governments always do, it is necessary to use the tax codes and government regulations to put the nation back on course. Corporations are having the ride of a lifetime so they aren't interested in helping American workers. They won't change anything, but they will allow the nation to collapse into economic decay.

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#23.5 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:59 PM EDT
Rob-510663

blueingoregon

Actually that is what your talking about. I own a small business, I employ people, create jobs, etc and guess I am penalized and will continue to be that way, I am rich based off what our government calls rich (over 250K) per year so yes myself and many like me are about to be penalized for what taking a risk and creating something, is that really the country we want?

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#23.6 - Thu Aug 5, 2010 1:24 PM EDT
boneclinkz

I am rich based off what our government calls rich (over 250K) per year so yes myself and many like me are about to be penalized for what taking a risk and creating something, is that really the country we want?

Yes! Gimme some of that money Mr. Monopoly man, I want to buy myself a jet ski.

  • 1 vote
#23.7 - Thu Aug 5, 2010 3:42 PM EDT
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fdgfhDeleted
Take a stand

If you want to be a part of the solution read an article called "What's love got to do with it?" in the business section.

Government isn't going to fix it because govt is broken, divided and entitled. We have to do this ourselves as a unit. We can't expect that the people who put us in this situation are going to save us so don't waste your time.

Look what happened in Bell, Calif. The population got together and stormed City Hall demanding the officials to cut their salaries and THEY DID. If they can do it - we can do it all over the country if we put our differences aside and work together.

Who's with me?

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Reply#25 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:05 PM EDT
Pamela Drew

Who's with me?

Even without the wonderful story 'm in! The real power is in our hands and in every dollar we spend, but it requires constaqnt effort and careful watching to make sure our leaders and our dollars are supporting public service not just making corporate butt kissing a Midas touch.

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#25.1 - Wed Aug 4, 2010 1:18 AM EDT
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