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FACT CHECK: Stimulus assessments overly optimistic

Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:02 AM EDT
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Frederic J. Frommer, Associated Press
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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration claimed this week that $100 billion invested in innovative technologies under the economic stimulus law is "transforming the American economy" by putting the nation on track for technological breakthroughs in health care, energy and transportation.

But an examination of details in the 50-page report unveiled Tuesday by Vice President Joe Biden reveals something a bit different: a collection of rosy projections that ignore many of the challenges, pitfalls and economic realities in all those areas.

A look at how the administration's claims compare to the facts:

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EDITOR'S NOTE — An occasional look at government assertions and how well they adhere to the facts.

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Increasing renewable energy

The claim: Thanks to the stimulus, the United States is on track to "doubling U.S. renewable energy generation capacity and U.S. renewable manufacturing capacity by 2012."

The facts: While the Recovery Act has helped increase renewable energy, the fact that it is a one-time jolt makes it difficult to project that the growth will continue for the next couple of years. George Sterzinger, executive director of the Renewable Energy Policy Project, a Washington think tank that promotes renewable energy, said the Recovery Act's cash grant program for renewable energy projects "jump-started a lot of stuff. But there's nothing beyond that."

Sterzinger added that it would be a mistake to link the growth in renewable energy generation to the growth in American-made renewable energy equipment. While the U.S. could probably meet the first goal, he said, it isn't likely to meet the second because much of the equipment is made overseas.

Robert L. Nelson, a partner at the Akin Gump law firm who co-chairs its renewable energy group, said that the manufacturing claim reminded him of a story told in the old Soviet Union. A commissar, or government official, asks a farmer how good next year's crop will be. The farmer says it will be 10 times as good as last year's. The commissar thinks to himself, "Ten times zero is zero."

Nelson said, "When you're looking at where the U.S. is starting from, doubling isn't all that meaningful a statistic."

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Cutting the cost of solar power

The claim: Government stimulus money will lead to "cutting the cost of solar power in half by 2015, putting it on par with the cost of retail electricity from the grid."

The facts: That projection assumes a huge payoff from stimulus spending on technology improvements in solar energy. Nelson, who has worked in renewable energy for 25 years, called the prediction "highly unlikely," unless there is a big increase in utility-scale solar power projects.

Sterzinger said there was too much uncertainty in the world economy to make such a prediction.

"Projecting from the last few years looks at the effects of a global recession that lowers material costs and a temporary glut of module manufacturing capacity," he said. "They have influenced cost but are not based on any technology innovation."

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Quicker, cheaper genetic mapping

The claim: Stimulus funding is spurring National Institutes of Health research to make unraveling people's individual genetic codes, or genomes, easy and cheap enough that the number completed could "dwarf, by 50 times or so" the number so far finished.

The facts: NIH research kicked off the revolution in human genome sequencing and continues to play a crucial role, but it has lots of help today from universities, international research foundations and even private companies jockeying to sell better gene-scanning machines.

It cost about $3 billion and a decade of government research to come up with the first draft of a human genome in 2000. Last year, a Stanford University professor reported that he sequenced his genome in a week at a cost of $48,000, using a $1 million machine. Many specialists believe the price may drop to less than $1,000 in a few years. The more sequencing scientists do allows them to better explore variations that contribute to disease.

As promising as personal genome sequencing is, people need to understand that it's basically a first step. The bigger challenge, still in its infancy, is deciphering what the genetic variations mean and how that information might be harnessed for better care.

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High-speed rail

The claim: "With $8 billion in funding, the Recovery Act is beginning to make high-speed rail a reality across the country." Projects selected for funds represent "strategic investments" that will yield high-speed service or lay the groundwork for future service.

The facts: The largest project is one that would connect San Francisco with Los Angeles, using trains traveling up to 220 mph. But some of the projects getting stimulus money would primarily upgrade existing freight rail tracks so they could be used for faster passenger service, reaching speeds of up to 110 mph at least part of the time — well short of the speeds in other developed countries.

Not everyone shares the White House's optimism about the prospects for high-speed rail. A recent analysis by the Government Accountability Office concluded that building high-speed rail service in the U.S. "is a difficult, multiyear effort" that hinges on financing that goes "far beyond the funds provided by the Recovery Act in a time of continuing federal and state deficits."

Another challenge for some projects will be meeting the 2017 deadline to spend Recovery Act funds, the GAO said. The capacity to manufacture passenger rail cars and other high-speed equipment exists in the U.S. But it may take years to design and test new rail cars that meet U.S. crashworthiness standards, which are different than much of the rest of the world.

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Health information technology

The claim: Stimulus spending is "a significant boost" to goals of converting to electronic health records, computerized prescriptions and remote treatment of patients in hard-to-reach locations.

The facts: The effort to get doctors' offices and hospitals using electronic medical records is in its earliest stages. Economic dividends from greater efficiency and fewer costly medical mistakes could be years away.

And there's plenty of potential for glitches. People involved with the issue give the administration high marks for trying, but many do not expect Obama's goal of getting all of America's medical records computerized within five years to be met.

For one thing, about 90 percent of roughly $20 billion the stimulus legislation allocated for this purpose has yet to be spent.

Most of the stimulus money is to help doctors and hospitals defray the cost of installing computer systems, but the Health and Human Services Department only recently spelled out the capabilities that those systems will have to have in order to qualify for federal money. No systems have yet been certified as meeting the required capabilities.

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Electric vehicles

The claim: The stimulus has helped produce "significant steps toward affordable electric cars that can drive 300 miles on a single charge, powered by $10 of clean electricity instead of $50 dollars of oil. Ultimately this means consumers may have the choice among a range of vehicles from a combustion vehicle with over 50 miles per gallon or an electric-drive vehicle for the same price."

The facts: While strides are being made, this vision of the future rests on assumptions that many regard as overly optimistic. Even a White House task force on the auto industry's recovery said while General Motors' extended-range plug-in hybrid, the Volt, "holds promise, it will likely be too expensive to be commercially successful in the short term." At $41,000, the Volt is about twice the price of a conventional midsize car. The price of electric cars will drop, but automakers are years from being able to sell them at the same price as cars with internal combustion engines.

Another hurdle is fuel prices, which are relatively low and provide little incentive to consumers to spend thousands of dollars extra for a hybrid or even more for a plug-in car; it would take years for the fuel savings to outweigh the higher price.

And there are questions about whether the large lithium ion batteries needed for electric cars are durable, safe and affordable enough for widespread use.

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Associated Press writers Lauran Neergaard, Joan Lowy and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar in Washington and Tom Krisher in Detroit contributed to this report.

© 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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AmusedinVa

Nice to see some honest analysis of the outright lies being claimed about the supposed benefits of the stimulus. The projects that actually accomplished anything or had potential to were only a minuscule part of that behemoth waste of taxpayer money. We're now over $800 billion further in the hole so that a few top congressional leaders could get some extra pork into their districts in the name of a "stimulus".

If the government had to spend $800 billion it should have been on building and repairing infrastructure which would have created hundreds of thousands of jobs and benefits that would have lasted decades.

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:53 AM EDT
greck

Nice to see some honest analysis of the outright lies being claimed about the supposed benefits of the stimulus

did you bother reading the article?

you know, the one that after fact checking characterized the report not as untruthful or false, but "overly optimistic?"

are you really that surprised that a politician would present his policies, initiatives and programs in their most positive possible light?

    #1.1 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:36 AM EDT
    AmusedinVa

    you know, the one that after fact checking characterized the report not as untruthful or false, but "overly optimistic?"

    So far there's little that can be said about anything done by this administration that can't be classified as "overly optimistic". Being deliberately deceitful by claiming potential benefits that no reasonable person could ever believe would come about is the same thing as a lie. Small and insignificant lies or deliberate deception doesn't matter. A lie is still a lie no matter how big or small.

    are you really that surprised that a politician would present his policies, initiatives and programs in their most positive possible light?

    No and neither should any rational person be either. The vast majority of politicians always exaggerate anything they perceive as good and downplay anything negative. That's probably the single biggest reason why the public has become so fed up with DC in general. Even when politicians tell the truth it's hard to trust them anymore because of all the previous deceptions.

    • 3 votes
    #1.2 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:49 AM EDT
    greck

    The vast majority of politicians always exaggerate anything they perceive as good and downplay anything negative

    the problem is, nobody votes for the guy who gives the honest, realistic stump speech. The consequences of stark honesty are greater than the consequences of exaggeration.

    That's pretty much the way of things. We've all sat in job interviews and played-up our strengths, downplayed our weaknesses, maybe fudged the extent of our proficiency in Microsoft Excel and Spanish. We've all been there.

    We as voters just need to remember that what we're getting is the most idealized version of the candidate possible.

    • 1 vote
    #1.3 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT
    GaryColumbus

    Well I guess we can all thank Frommer for bringing down optimism.

    What is any administration going to tell you? Outlooks are good and so is moral. Or you're screwed, don't lift your heads out of the muck.

    Yes the economy is still in comeback mode but should we not be optimistic for the future or just leave the economy to pessimists like the RNC/GOP and the Tea Party?!?

    I'd love to ask John Boehner that question. If little bonner becomes Speaker of the House, it's back to the Gingrich style of political bullsh1t.

      #1.4 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:42 PM EDT
      Ripley8

      only got time for one at the moment ....

      the Recovery Act's cash grant program for renewable energy projects "jump-started a lot of stuff. But there's nothing beyond that."

      Sterzinger added that it would be a mistake to link the growth in renewable energy generation to the growth in American-made renewable energy equipment. While the U.S. could probably meet the first goal, he said, it isn't likely to meet the second because much of the equipment is made overseas.

      yes much of the equipment is made overseas..... who's fault is that ?

      stimulas went out to companies to manufacture it here and those companies took the work outside the US ! ( like a manufacture here in Michigan who has parts made in Mexico ! )

      and many overseas companies own companies here. from fact check.
      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/feb/23/sarah-palin/palin-falsely-claims-most-renewable-energy-stimulu/

      seems someone needs to check their facts.

      • 1 vote
      #1.5 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:25 PM EDT
      AmusedinVa

      yes much of the equipment is made overseas..... who's fault is that ?

      stimulas went out to companies to manufacture it here and those companies took the work outside the US ! ( like a manufacture here in Michigan who has parts made in Mexico ! )

      The fault belongs to the people who passed the bill without bothering to take time for reading it and debating the merits. The problem you just pointed out would have been a simple fix of inserting one additional line into the bill to require any company receiving federal funds to use those funds exclusively inside the US.

      • 2 votes
      #1.6 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:32 PM EDT
      Old VC

      As much as I want to agree with you, I know better. The administration has made the fund available to private firms in each of the named areas.

      However, the majority of the initial R&D money is split between the US firms and their OFFSHORE businesses. And when manufacturing time comes the production will go to these OFFSHORE firms for at least 50% of the components and sub-assembles.

      So in effect you will have less than 50% of these funds working in the USA and less than 50% of long term profits/salary/benefits sourced in AMERICA.

      EPIC FAIL!

      • 3 votes
      #1.7 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT
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      obie-one

      I don't know about the numbers thing as everyone tweaks them so much but I do agree about the infrastucture and can not understand why another works program hasn't been started to get people back to work and restore some of the Countrys self esteem. Call me crazy but theres millions of people available and I have to believe able and willing to show up at the first beckon call..........

      • 2 votes
      Reply#2 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:39 AM EDT
      hvymtl83

      obie,

      That is my main criticism of the stimulus. We spent a whole bunch of money on "Oooo, shiney" projects while our bridges, roads, electric grid and other infrastructure are still crumbling. I lay this failure directly at the feet of the Obama admin. We need to fix the infrastructure and that would have had mor bang for the buck. Instead they went for "Oooo, shiney".

      • 5 votes
      #2.1 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:40 AM EDT
      obie-one

      hvymtl183, you're right about the choices made and I don't understand the lack of motive or why more ideas to create jobs with the stimulus money haven't been presented. It seems too many empowered underestimate the real failure of the economy, but too it was not realized from before President Obama took over. We play a weak and dangerous game by allowing our differences to stand in the way of moving forward and though I agree that President Obama has played the same way , he has been backed into a corner and limited with what he could do and that rests solely on the Republican Partys shoulders. We as a Nation need to get back to work and move as one, allow the polls to take care of our differences with stable people of character to choose from and restore the pride that once was America.............

        #2.2 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:29 PM EDT
        hvymtl83

        obie,

        Obama wasn't really backed into a corner, he frigging walked into it and is now doing little more than standing there sucking his thumb. I am quite thoroughly frustrated that a man as intelligent as he is has ZERO communication skills. He needs to snap out of it and wake up. Maybe the mid-term elections will be the kick in the butt he needs.

        • 2 votes
        #2.3 - Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:39 AM EDT
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        Greg Johnson-900798

        This is just the same crap we've been shovelled by obama since the night of the election; "facts" based on conjecture and models of perfect outcomes all the time ignoring realities. Just one example is the high-speed rail project. They base all of their PR on the fact that we can build high-speed locomotives and ignore the fact that we have no rails that will allow such high speeds but also ignore the fact that there is no interest among the people to ride such a train. I live in Santa Barbara and know people who ride the Surfliner and the Coast Starlighter which travel at about 70 mph, routinely run a couple of hours late, and are routinely at 20% of capacity. Why would the administration think that increasing the speed to 110 mph would make people clamor to ride?

        It ain't gunna happen and the $8B will be one more wasted pile of money - a monument to the monumental stupidity of barack obama.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#3 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:54 AM EDT
        Venator

        110 mph, with faster more frequent service, I would certainly look into that.

        I mean I do question a lot of what Obama has done, but that does not mean everything he as proposed is a bad idea.

        We do need high speed rail, and the majority of the country would disagree with you on the wanting of intercity high speed rail. Most want high speed rail. Plus, and no offense, but the 20% capacity, about of time late, is based on the current system, that is not built or prepared to decent passenger rail service, because we have essentially ignored it for centuries.

        There are several places in the country were high speed rail can work, not to mention you have to look at what the government is doing as just first steps. We are playing catch-up to the rest of the world, and what is proposed right know we should be able to catch-up to what rail service in Europe....during 1960.

        • 2 votes
        #3.1 - Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:24 AM EDT
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        BKER1492

        "But an examination of details in the 50-page report unveiled Tuesday by Vice President Joe Biden reveals something a bit different: a collection of rosy projections that ignore many of the challenges, pitfalls and economic realities in all those areas."

        And these guys also brought us a 2500 page, unread, Health care bill adding 20 million patients to the system, while saying it saves us money. Also using rosy picture math.

        BTW the Japanese Bullet train system has over 800,000 riders per day and IT STILL COSTS ALMOST AS MUCH AS FLYING.

        Go Figure..............

        • 2 votes
        Reply#4 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:52 PM EDT
        UnAmericanLiberal

        Small and insignificant lies or deliberate deception doesn't matter. A lie is still a lie no matter how big or small.

        That's a pretty laughable statement coming from a Republican. I don't seem to remember any lies this President has told that caused the death of 5000 American soldiers.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#5 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:07 PM EDT
        AmusedinVa

        I could almost give you part of that because as a fiscal conservative I did align with the republican party and was a member of it once. I am no longer a part of that organization now though so your point is useless about party.

        What is laughable though is the fact that some liberals who can't defend the current administration on merits and facts try to keep throwing up stuff that happened many years ago to still "blame Bush" for everything this administration has screwed up so far. And even though it is 100% irrelevant in regard to the stimulus and the deceptions about it since you want to invoke the old Iraq war lie debate remember that the decisions then were based on faulty intelligence. The decision to go to war was a mistake but was based on incorrect information presented to the president and congress at that time.

        • 2 votes
        #5.1 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:50 PM EDT
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        Steve-2081387

        This stimulus cost $2600.00 for every man, woman and child in America and I dont see things getting any better. Personally Id rather them just give me the cash.

        I blame the mainstream media for giving Obama a free pass on everything. They never checked the guy out and as a result we have a man in the White House that we know nothing about. One thing we do know is that he lied about knowing Bill Ayres, he said he was just a guy in the neighborhood and their kids went to school together, but Ayres kids are in their mid twenties. Hmmm

        • 2 votes
        Reply#6 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:31 PM EDT
        Candide and Me

        Joe Biden is a contrarian indicator.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#7 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:33 PM EDT
        iron-door

        I understand investment in new green technology, but that doesn't have a proven track record of improving the economy, especially in the current economic difficulties. Shouldn't we focus on things that have worked in the past and are proven true to helping an economy grow, to have a more tried-n-true approach to the future growth? It seems like a shot in the dark.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#8 - Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT
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