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Author Hawking says God not needed for creation

Thu Sep 2, 2010 7:32 AM EDT
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Jennifer Quinn, Associated Press Writer
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<p>In this book cover image released by Random House, "The Grand Design" by Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow is shown. (AP Photo/Random House)</p>

In this book cover image released by Random House, "The Grand Design" by Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow is shown. (AP Photo/Random House)

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LONDON — Did creation need a creator?

British physicist and mathematician Stephen Hawking says no, arguing in his new book that there need not be a God behind the creation of the universe.

The concept is explored in "The Grand Design," excerpts of which were printed in the British newspaper The Times on Thursday. The book, written with fellow physicist Leonard Mlodinow, is scheduled to be published by Bantam Press on Sept. 9.

"The Grand Design," which the publishers call Hawking's first major work in nearly a decade, challenges Isaac Newton's theory God must have been involved in creation because our solar system couldn't have come out of chaos simply through nature.

But Hawking says it isn't that simple. To understand the universe, it's necessary to know both how and why it behaves the way it does, calling the pursuit "the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything."

"We shall attempt to answer it in this book," he wrote. "Unlike the answer given in 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,' ours won't be simply '42.'"

The number 42 is the deliberately absurd answer to the "Ultimate Question" chosen by sci-fi author Douglas Adams.

Hawking, who is renowned for his work on black holes, said the 1992 discovery of another planet orbiting a star other than the sun makes "the coincidences of our planetary conditions ... far less remarkable and far less compelling as evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings."

In his best-selling 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," Hawking appeared to accept the possibility of a creator, saying the discovery of a complete theory would "be the ultimate triumph of human reason — for then we should know the mind of God."

But "The Grand Design" seems to step away from that, saying physics can explain things without the need for a "benevolent creator who made the Universe for our benefit."

"Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing," the excerpt says. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to ... set the Universe going."

Hawking retired last year as the Lucasian Chair of Mathematics at Cambridge University after 30 years in the position. The position was once held by Newton.

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Jeremyj

Who do we as humans think that we are? God or not, we are all tiny particles relative to this universe. Who are we to think we can figure out all of the inner workings of this mysterioius universe. I'm not saying we shouldn't try, I'm just saying that we need to call it what it is and what it is is an attempt at explaining the cosmos. As soon as one scientist shares their theory of how the universe began and functions it seems it is almost immediately refuted by another. Yes, we do understand certain laws, but that is like seeing the tip of an iceburgh and claiming we have seen the whole thing. The truth is, everyone has faith in something and everyone capitulates to draw conclusions that support their preconceived notions and biases. Some leave no room for God and will abandon natural law to explain a universe outside of a creator just as much as others leave no room for science and will abandon reason to explain a universe outside of science. To admit otherwise is to be intellectually dishonest. Their is not proof for anything in this world. If there was it wouldn't be a debate. There are a lot of humans on this earth much more brilliant than I but all are bound by the humilities of life and all are bound by death. The only thing I can trust in is what I see and experience. I have seen and experienced science and I have seen and personally experienced a God that is irrefutable and real in my life.

"Admission of ignorance is the beggining of wisdom"

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 10:09 AM EDT
American Spirit

I have seen and personally experienced a God

You really need to learn the power of your very own subconscious. Tis all you versus an outside source.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT
zeropointfield

Look, until Hawking can explain how and why gravity exists, instead of nothing, he is blowing smoke up your arse. These physicists look at religion and argue that religious dogma can't logically explain the existence of reality or the universe. I agree. Whatever created the universe is not satisfactorily explained by any particular religion. From a Deist point of view the universe makes sense. From a religious point of view it does not. Why can't they see this? Show me how matter and energy just popped into existence all by itself before you claim something of unimaginable power and intelligence was not the author of all that is. I can't believe how naive and stupid intelligent people can really get.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:19 AM EDT
Cellsnbirds

zeropointfield,

"Look, until Hawking can explain how and why gravity exists, instead of nothing, he is blowing smoke up your arse."

How do you reckon?

The way I see it, at one point, humans looked at lightning and wondered how it happened. Surely there must be a cause, right? Some ancient Greeks argued that maybe it was caused naturally; others argued that since the philosophers couldn't explain how and why lightning exists, they were just blowing smoke up their arses.

The movement of the planets was another strange one. There must be a reason why the planets move. Surely, the Gods must be moving the planets. Or maybe the planets are the Gods. Many ancient Greek philosophers disagreed, but again, since they couldn't explain how and why, clearly those philosophers were blowing smoke up people's arses because there was no good reason to think that planets would move by themselves.

And the origin of life. Surely, that must be caused by one or many Gods, right? We know that the building blocks of life occur naturally in environments completely devoid of life (e.g., asteroids), and that the might have reacted in a reverse citric acid cycle, and aquired self-catalytic abilities that we can observe today, but surely chemicals can't react by themselves in nature. God(s) must have done it.

And finally now, the Big Bang. Now that's the big walnut of things that one or many Gods must have done. I mean, so what that gravity explains the contractions and expansions of the universe. These scientists don't know why gravity in the first place, and we all know that gravity can't occur naturally! God(s) must have done it.

Sure.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:02 AM EDT
Treadlightly

Maybe there are a whole bunch of "Gods" they have nothing but infinity to look forward too so they invent a game. They each create a world with all the ingredients necessary to support life. The "Gods" get to choose from all the elements in the universe. Each one is unique, no two are alike.

The purpose of the game is to create the longest lasting world. I wonder how we're doing?

    #1.4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:00 PM EDT
    zeropointfield

    Each new theory I read about suffers from the same problem as all the others. None can be verified scientifically. No theory claims to explain how or why the conditions that caused the universe to "exist" came into being in the first place. I have suspected that matter is merely organized energy since I was a boy. You have to ask yourself where did all this energy come from in the first place. What caused it to exist. Every new theory fails to explain how the initial conditions were created. Even if you believe in multiple dimensions you have to ask what (and why) created all those extra dimensions. Where did all that energy and power come from. The same holds true with M theory. All you have done here is push the question one level past the big bang. You now must ask where did the membranes come from, and so on. It is never ending. Physics has a problem with organized religion providing the answers to these questions. So do I. The God in the bible does not exist. The God that speaks the language of mathematics does. Something had to create matter, energy, and the laws that bind them together. This was no happenstance.

    • 1 vote
    #1.5 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 11:50 PM EDT
    Septepenra

    Teach them American Spirit..one day they will sit at your feet and look upon you as a God as you are evolving into a God.

    Soon you will be using your SUPRAconscious!

    It funny how the godsquad say that they pray (prey) and that god talks to them, yet in the bible god only supposedly spoke to Moses on Mt. Sinai in Egypt as a burning bush (fire, maybe it was the devil) and Saul who got heatstroke so bad on the way to damascus he thought he was Paul. Fire purifies yet their devil lives in hell not their god but they cannot see their god until they are pure???????...like lambs to the slaughter every Sunday!

    Every Sunday they go to their schools to learn about their god (churches, mosques and synagogues), pay their tuition each week (10% tiding) yet not one single student who attends, even for a lifetime, ever graduates. Even worse, their lifetime of education at ehir school is based on a single book, which I might add has been published in how many different versions with content taken away/added to suit the flavour of the time...they cannot even agree amoungst themselves so they have four different schools on each street intersection, competing for the tuition (tidings)...funny stuff!

    Even their cherished Jesus's mother Mary did not rate high enough to have their god speak to her directly, only through a messenger, an angel.

    And they cast us as egotistical when they claim that their almighty god speaks to them and helps them...perhaps if they took the time to understand their brain they would realize that their fantastical conversation with god is nothing more than a conversation within their mind with their self.

    As we see in the news these days their form of religious belief is nothing more than worship or should I say WARSHIP.

    Ever wonder why we go through 8 years of elementary school, 4 years of high school and then 4 years of college without learning anything of significance about our brain. Maybe the powers that be want to keep the masses in the two percent range of utilization.

    You are on the path of 100 percent utilization and as you can see based upon the comments below it is a lonely path.

    Although some of the knuckleheads below make fun of him saying that he can't even cure himself...they do not understand that part of his knowledge comes from the fact that he is not weighed down by his physical body...he has easy access to his subconscious mind, the seat of true knowledge and the gateway to the SUPRAconscious mind, the seat of true wisdom, all knowing...God king, God man (God queen, God wombman)

    You are shemsu heru

    Amen Hotep

    Septepenra

      #1.6 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:34 AM EDT
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      American Spirit

      Makes total sense to me. I've been working on explaining how the spontaneous creation worked. It's pretty simple if you grasp the physicality of memory, thought and fact.

      So many are afraid to let go of their belief in an intervening 'god'. There are many higher powers, such as the laws of the universe as described in science, but none "interfere".

      • 2 votes
      Reply#2 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT
      Jeremyj

      I am more aware of the power of subconscious than you will ever know. I spent my entire life making arguments much the same as yours. I argued against the existence of a God and I was truly convinced that belief in a God was a coping mechanism for so many. But, evidently God didn't care. God was revealed to me despite my own subconscious and despite my deep rooted beliefs. The same subconscious that drives someone to believe in God out of fear or necessity is the same subconscious that drove me to refute the existence of God despite experiences that point in that direction. When I first experienced God's intervention in my life I didn't need it. In fact, initially, my subconcious drove me to refute it. I had everything to lose by believing in God, but the truth has a way of eliminating those fears. My subconcious has everything to do with my flawed human traits and nothing to do with God, just as the often deplorable actions of those that claim to follow Christ have everything to do with human nature and nothing to do with God. The only reason God "interferes" with science is because humans let him. This is a God created by humans. Likewise, the only reason humans intefere with God is because we have been given choice to do so. I simply experienced God in a way that I couldn't turn my back on. I hope God is revealed to you at some point...not because you need it but because it is truly a joy to experience.

      • 1 vote
      #2.1 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
      American Spirit

      My subconcious has everything to do with my flawed human traits and nothing to do with God

      As I said before, you really need to find out about the power of your subconscious. You aren't even close yet.

      • 1 vote
      #2.2 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 2:40 PM EDT
      zeropointfield

      If you think it is pretty simple how matter and energy came into being you are yourself pretty simple. Sorry, you have not a single clue.

      • 1 vote
      #2.3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:21 AM EDT
      American Spirit

      It's very simple. One has to understand physicality of some elements to grasp it. Good luck with that.

        #2.4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 1:23 PM EDT
        TheAntiObama

        Its very simple, in order to know God, you have to move yourself out of the way first.

          #2.5 - Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:26 AM EDT
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          Jeremyj

          And you really need to understand the power of humility. It seems you think much higher of yourself than you should....

            Reply#3 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 3:12 PM EDT
            American Spirit

            my flawed human traits.....you think much higher of yourself than you should....

            So your version of a creator made flawed creations? There's no truth in that. May you find the divine.

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            #3.1 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 5:25 PM EDT
            Seminole-2257945

            Jeremy, congratulations on experiencing firsthand the power of God, and being humble enough to realize what was actually happening. God does His work in amazing ways, and sometimes humans are too egotistical to realize it.

            All an atheist has to look forward to is a date with worms in a hole in the ground.

              #3.2 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 5:44 PM EDT
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              jrone

              Sounds like Steven is peed off about something. What could it be?

                Reply#4 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 5:41 PM EDT
                truesayer

                hawking is wrong,for him to beleive all that is came from nothing is the belief of a fool. what was before the supposed big bang? what was before that?
                steven does not know and it frustrates him. steven wont be around much longer and knows a statement like that will get him in the news.
                just remember steven is just a man and with all his incredible math skills what has steven done for the people?the hungry?the enviroment?
                nothing.

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                Reply#5 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 8:12 PM EDT
                zeropointfield

                I tend to believe you are correct.

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                #5.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:22 AM EDT
                Eraser-412094

                what was before the supposed big bang? what was before that?

                Such an approach is incorrect. Time appeared with the Big Bang, so the question that was before it, is pointless.

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                #5.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:22 AM EDT
                zeropointfield

                Actually, it is not pointless Eraser. If you believe in M-Theory then the question will have to be what created the two membranes. With each theory that seems pop up they appear to argue that the universe created itself. None do anything to answer the one question they can't actually answer. What created the conditions that started it all. Ask where all that unbelievable energy came from. How did it get so organized. Whey does it have to be organized in the first place. Why anything instead of nothing. Asking what happened before the big bang is a viable question. Just because time did not come to be until after the big bang does not give you a pass to question why it had to happen in the first place.

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                #5.3 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 11:33 PM EDT
                Septepenra

                Yousayer,

                Let me ask you a question...was you god created at the same time he or it created the universe or earth, whatever you believe? Your belief implies that your god was in a slumber and something woke he/it up to start the creation.

                The god squad refers to their god as god the father, sooooo god must have had a father too, and a mother for that matter as a male principle without a female principle is impotentence. The last time I checked, man comes out of a womb-man

                What was your god doing before he decided to create?

                Until you can answer the question "where your god received the impulse to create?", you cannot critisize Mr. Hawking.

                Perhaps if you realized that there are infinite hierarchies above and below you may be able to find the answer, but in your state of mind I don't think this knowledge would help.

                  #5.4 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:56 AM EDT
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                  Edward-1730176

                  To say that everything happened from nothing, is not very scientific, Effect, but no cause. Generally science has both. I get the feeling Hawkings does not really believe what he says. but it's a great way to sell books. The Bible says that God is the "Beginning and the Ending" God is the Creator, the "I Am". Trying to deceive people like this, is "just wrong". With much knowledge comes, responsibility.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#6 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 9:41 PM EDT
                  The Other Guy79Deleted
                  zeropointfield

                  Other guy, it is not so obvious. Belief in spontaneous creation is intellectually lazy. Good luck with that.

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                  #6.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:24 AM EDT
                  The Other Guy79Deleted
                  Bobby C-2186154

                  You forgot the Hebrew God too... Don't leave the chosen people out........Eyes rolling here

                  • 1 vote
                  #6.4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 2:18 PM EDT
                  The Other Guy79Deleted
                  Septepenra

                  Oh Ed Ed and Eddy

                  If your god is the beginning and the ending, You just drew a circle, zero, which I know represents nothing...doesn't it?

                  Draw it on the floor and start walking around it and you will no longer have to believe!

                  Perhaps your preacher man has given you a false interpretation of

                    #6.6 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:32 AM EDT
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                    TheManji

                    O.K., I dont attempt to know how God was created. I do not attempt to know all the answers, but...God is science. The universe may appear to be created from nothing, and maybe that is so. God takes nothing, and turns it into something. Thats why he is awesome!Human thought processes, human emotions, human sacrifices, are not "willy-nilly."If you have ever thought about something complex, with any amount of depth, or have had your heart broken, or sacrificed yourself for the sake of others, you know for sure, without a doubt, that the human heart is anything but random.

                      Reply#7 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:55 AM EDT
                      The Other Guy79Deleted
                      TheManji

                      You have every right to feel the way you do! Look at the proof based world we live in. I don't blame you, and in fact, I felt the same feelings you are expressing, for more than half of my life. Trust me, I understand. But I also, during that long period in my life, did not know of my own worth. My God-less life, was pretty shocking, even for nowadays standards, and I was taught that everything good or nice was not real, and if it were, I surely didnt deserve it. With that being said, I didnt know how special I was until God(the God of the Bible) revealed himself to me. The more radical part of the "coming to God" senerio was that I didnt have to do anything to recieve gifts from God.I didnt have to attend church, make sacrifices, or give 10%. I just had to have faith. So that seemed pretty....simple. As you know things in this world are not simple, or free. And if things boast "free-ness", than its actually not, its a scam. So my athiest mind just judged people who believed in any God, or believed in a floating ameoba of thought that watches over us(a higher power), to be completely brainwashed! I decided to give it a shot. Whats a little faith gonna hurt? And I started to see giant changes in my life within a week, just by looking up at the sky, and saying(outloud), " Look God, Jesus, whoever you are, if you are real, you need to help me out now!!" And I have never looked back. Well, I have written a miniture novel....so I guess I will stop now:) Regardless of what you think, you are cool with me. It takes some heart,and balls to stick to your convictions, especially amongst such critics.

                        #7.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:24 PM EDT
                        Septepenra

                        FAITH?

                        First comes believe (ignorance) then comes knowledge, then comes FAITH.

                        It is trickery the way religion has used belief and faith interchangeably when they are in fact opposites.

                        Why would "God, Jesus or whoever you are" help you when he supposedly designed you to help yourself after becoming an adult.

                        You sound like a child crying out to its parents

                          #7.3 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:40 AM EDT
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                          Arch8ngl

                          Just because you can't see something doesn't mean its not there, people can try to rationalize to the world that god doesn't exist until the cows come home, but at the end of the day we each owe a death with no exceptions. I would rather meet that death with hope knowing that it is not the end, then face it thinking life was nothing more than what we made of it. They say death is the greatest adventure, are you prepared for that adventure? That's when everybody finds out whether they have choosen wisely or not.

                            Reply#8 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 9:53 AM EDT
                            jeanette-1355722

                            When I look into the mirror I can see one of Gods creations. No man or any accident can create what I see. God made all, but our flaw is free will, which he made in us above all else. Otherwise, you would not even be thinking God didn't exist. Believe me, only God could create the earth and the heavens.

                              Reply#9 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:55 PM EDT
                              American Spirit

                              If it's a "flaw" then your god is flawed too.

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                              #9.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 1:25 PM EDT
                              American Spirit

                              He's right. There was no god needed for the creation of the universe. I've been trying to write it down for the last month. It's very simple which is why many will refuse to grasp it.

                              Just ponder on what conditions also exist when a PURE vacuum does.

                              • 1 vote
                              #9.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT
                              The Other Guy79Deleted
                              American Spirit

                              What's illogical is to assume a 'god' existed when nothing did. Does not compute.

                                #9.4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:53 PM EDT
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                                Gunterman

                                I like that so many people on here want proof yet expect none from Stephen Hawking. "Spontaneous Creation" has never been has never been proven by man, yet Hawking says it happened (without God). Supposedly everything has "evolved" over millions of years yet not 1 single "intermediate" animal has ever been found.

                                Maybe some here should go study the Bible prophecy examples. Look up the city of Tyre when you get the chance.

                                I guess I'm surprised that the science guys would rather believe "nothing created something" than "God created something". I challenge you to go to the Bible and try to disect it's historical writings and prophecy. Once you do that please come back and talk to me about where spontaneous generation happens in nature.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#10 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 3:20 PM EDT
                                The Other Guy79Deleted
                                Treadlightly

                                Read em and weep.

                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

                                In natural science, abiogenesis (pronounced /ˌeɪbaɪ.ɵˈdʒɛnɨsɪs/, AY-bye-oh-JEN-ə-siss) or biopoesis is the study of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter.

                                  #10.2 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:16 PM EDT
                                  The Other Guy79Deleted
                                  Septepenra

                                  Gunterman,

                                  Open your eyes man!

                                  A baby crawls on all fours like an animal until it evolves/devloves into an upright human. Thats where evolution of the physical body ends, after that it is evolution of the spirit which brings you toward godliness.

                                  Didn't you come from an impulse of love between your father and mother. Was that impulse physical or was it, in material terms, nothing?

                                  Although I am not a material scientist, it is odd that you say that the science guys believe...what do you call your religious fantasy...knowledge?

                                    #10.4 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:22 AM EDT
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                                    JohnDR

                                    Just because physicists can explain how the universe works or see evidence of it doesn't mean they are able to understand how it was created. It also surely doesn't mean they can prove that an omniscient creator or intelligent designer isn't necessary.

                                    I can explain the path of a ball along a table, how it rolls it's circumference repeatedly, or even that it's made of rubber. That doesn't help me understand that a person built a machine that heated rubber which molded it into a round shape.

                                      Reply#11 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 6:01 PM EDT
                                      Septepenra

                                      Where is/was the omiscient creator or intelligent designer when the baby dies in the womb or is born deformed. Did it make another mistake like supposedly creating the devil?

                                        #11.1 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:13 AM EDT
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                                        jrone

                                        If Steven is so smart that he can "solve" creation why isn't he smart enough to figure out a cure for ALS?

                                        • 2 votes
                                        Reply#12 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 6:04 PM EDT
                                        Septepenra

                                        Because he is too busy sacrificing his time finding a cure for your ignorance!

                                          #12.1 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:09 AM EDT
                                          jrone

                                          lol.

                                            #12.2 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:07 AM EDT
                                            Septepenra

                                            That is like asking...if Jesus was the son of god, why did he not have the power of saving himself from supposedly being crucified?

                                            And if Jesus died for your sins, why do you still sin and have to go to the sin hospital (church)?

                                            And if your god put forth his son to be sacrificed, what knid of father was he?

                                            I know, you are not supposed to discuss religion or politics...why?..because through discussion you will see that the politician and clergy are both parasites controlling the weak minded people.

                                            Stay in your blind ignorance JRONE, then you have no responsibility to yourself or the rest of humanity. It is easy living in religious ignorance then all you have to say is "the devil made me do it". There was no concept of the devil until christianity, judaism and islam, just over 2000 years ago! Mr. Hawking is at least fulfilling his responsibility to humanity. Thats probably why your supposed god gave him intelligence instead of sheep like you

                                            You sit waiting for Jesus to come back and save your sorry...are you aware that John the Baptist supposedly said Jesus would return 2000 years ago? Keep waiting

                                            Hotep

                                            Perfect Love!

                                              #12.3 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:48 PM EDT
                                              jrone

                                              Lol

                                                #12.4 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:20 PM EDT
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                                                TheManji

                                                When we start delving into the stories we have all heard from the Bible sometime in our lives, you realize that things such as the snake, and the apple in Adam and Eve are metaphors for the knowlege of freewiil. Freewill is a gift or a curse, depending how you look at it. For example, if you had a baby, and you fed him everyday, and played with him, and changed his diaper, and gave him everything he would ever need, he would have no chioce but to love you. Matter-of-fact, even if you werent that great to him, he would still love you. This is a perfect metaphor for humanity without freewill. Once the freewill kicks in(selfawarness, choices,etc...), That means everyday he is choosing to love you. Just like we have the choice to love God. Oh, BTW Treadlightly, we were created from dust, so thats pretty inanimate. Just saying....

                                                  Reply#13 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:53 PM EDT
                                                  American Spirit

                                                  Free will came from developing intelligent life species splitting to two brain lobes. That gave room for free thought between the two.

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                                                  #13.1 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 1:10 AM EDT
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                                                  Meturaf

                                                  Jrone,

                                                  though your comment might apppear as insensitive to others, I have to agree. Its a good question why someone whose brilliance shines as his does, did not devote his life to discovering a cure for a debilitation that has prevented him from using his full vigor to work using all his limbs rather then relying on computers and machines.

                                                  I can imagine him today, if he were able bodied, running around, never getting any sleep, day and night slamming at his computer keys and creating equations to solve fundamental problems. Hopping an airplane to other parts of the world to confer with scientists or work side by side with them.

                                                  His illness is tragic and I admire him nonetheless wether he is for God or neutral or whatever. But indeed, Christopher Reeve strove to try and bring attention and funding and urget the acceleration of work on helping those with spinal injures like he endured the injury that kept him from rising from that chair and he was an actor, God rest his soul.

                                                  Why didn't hawking devote his current past decades to the disease that impeded his mobility? Maybe he does do that and we dont know Did he maybe feel that others were already so far ahead of him that he might be a johnny come lately and decided he already had dedicated colleagues who though not publicly saying it, were working hard in his honor to try and save other from the same fate.

                                                  Maybe he resigned himself to the fact that no upcoming cure could reverse his situation and he may as well do what he enjoyed to the best of his abilitys using modern science to help him along.

                                                  I appreciate though that he can speak about a godless universe without being obnoxious like Hutchinson and that he is a brave man who whatever his thoughts, deserves accolades and our thanks for his contributions.

                                                  God preserve him for many years to come.

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                                                  Reply#14 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 4:16 AM EDT
                                                  TheAntiObama

                                                  Who made Hawkin God?

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                                                  Reply#15 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 4:51 AM EDT
                                                  Septepenra

                                                  Woa I walk through the valley of ignorance and fools!

                                                  Your one (1) almighty christian, judaic and islamic god came from where? CAN YOU NOT COUNT!!!

                                                  Maybe you should ask yoru three year old child. The answer is simply 0, 1(YOUR ALMIGHTY GOD), 2, 3 , 4...

                                                  So your christian, judaic and islamic god is not the almighty zero is...nothing is. Draw a circle (zero) and start to walk around it and tell me when you reach the end! Yes zero (nothing) is infinite not your 1 almighty god.

                                                  Yes Mr. Hawking and quantum physics are correct, creation came from ZERO, yes NOTHING.

                                                  And gravity...Mr. Hawking is not providing new knowledge.

                                                  As I learned many, many years ago from the hieroglyphic writings of my ancient african ancestors, nothing was created before the Neter (god as you call it) Set came into being, who was stolen and transformed into an evil fallen angel by christianity and islam and represented as satan and shatan respectively.

                                                  The ancient african texts say that Set was the Neter that kept the sole bound to the earth, ie gravity, among other things. Set in "SYMBOLIQUE" terms was the doorman in which everything that devolved into form (like humans) came and comes through.

                                                  Also when Set and Heru (the stolen greek hercules) went before Ra to make their arguments as to who should rule after Set had murdered Asaru (the stolen greek Osiris), Set pleaded that he came first, before Asaru and that he should rule. Although Asaru was the first on earth it was only because Set had to hold the door open for Asaru to walk though. Of course Set came first as Asaru could not have come into being without gravity...nothing can. In case you are wondering, Set and Heru continued to battle and of course the battle ended in a draw, a reconciliation of opposites, just as day has not yet defeated night!

                                                  Set was also known in SYMBOLIQUE terms as the fixative, concretizing force..you know like when concrete sets.

                                                  I hope someday the godsquad will see the light of knowledge although like the story of Set and Heru above, humans will for at least the near future be left in a situation of reconciliation of opposites...knowledge vs ignorance, SACRED science (as opposed to modern day material science) vs religion. Until that day there can be no peace!

                                                  So you archbishop, rabbi and house of lords woman giving Hawking fire for his comments, I say to you that your days of parasiting, non-value creating and preying (praying) on the religious ignorance of those who follow you (the godsquad)...perhaps you should find a new body to suck the wealth and will from...perhaps it should be your own.

                                                  Amen-Hotep my SACRED science bredren

                                                    Reply#16 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 11:51 PM EDT
                                                    jrone

                                                    lol. you sir, are hilarious. keep up the good work

                                                      #16.1 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:10 AM EDT
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                                                      Septepenra

                                                      Is that what you BELIEVE jrone.

                                                      You need to read a book other than the bible.

                                                        Reply#17 - Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:29 PM EDT
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