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Family of copper heiress asks court to protect her

Fri Sep 3, 2010 4:29 PM EDT
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Photo of Huguette Clark. This photo, purportedly of a young Huguette Clark, hangs in her father's former home, the Copper King Mansion Bed and Breakfast in Butte, Montana.

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— NEW YORK - Three relatives of reclusive heiress Huguette Clark went to court Friday, asking that a guardian be appointed to protect her from potential financial abuse by her attorney and accountant. The family also asks the court to bar the two men from visiting their 104-year-old client.

Msnbc.com reported last week that the Manhattan district attorney is investigating the finances of Clark, the only surviving daughter of a copper miner and U.S. senator. The DA's Elder Abuse Unit has detectives looking at transactions in her bank accounts, as well as the sale of her Stradivarius violin for $6 million and a Renoir painting for $23.5 million.

"Our wish is to protect our aunt against exploitation and we are cooperating with authorities to do all that we can to ensure her health, safety and well-being," said a statement from the three half-nieces and half-nephews. "We respect her desire for privacy and request that others do the same for her and our entire family."

You can read the court petition here.

Huguette ("hue-GET") Marcelle Clark is the last surviving child of Sen. William Andrews Clark of Montana (1839-1925), who in his time was described by The New York Times as either the first or second richest American. A stop on his railroad in Nevada became Las Vegas, where Clark County is named for him. Huguette has lived as a recluse for several decades, and has been in
New York hospitals for about 22 years, leaving unoccupied her three homes in California, Connecticut and New York City.

Her wealth, estimated at half a billion dollars, is managed by her attorney, Wallace "Wally" Bock, 78, of Queens, N.Y., and her certified public accountant, a convicted felon named Irving H. Kamsler, 63, of the Bronx, N.Y. Kamsler pleaded guilty in 2008 to attempting to distribute indecent material to 13- and 15-year-old girls online, and remains a registered sex offender in New York. The men have not been accused of a crime in the handling of the Clark finances.

The petition was filed by three half-nieces and nephews, descendants of Huguette's father from his first marriage. The three are Ian C. Devine and Carla Hall Friedman, both of New York City,  and Karine Albert McCall, of Washington, D.C. They say they represent three branches of Clark descendants.

"They bring this petition in order to protect Ms. Clark's person and property, and to prevent the risk of further improper influence by Ms. Clark's advisors," says the petition, filed Friday in the Supreme Court of New York County, the trial-level court in Manhattan.

Msnbc.com reported on Aug. 20 that Clark's attorney and accountant became the owners of the New York City apartment of another elderly client, a lawyer at Bock's firm, after the man's last will and testament was revised six times. They also received $100,000 each from the estate of the elderly man, Bock's former associate, Donald Wallace, and the accountant received Wallace's Mercedes sedan.

Statement by the family
The three relatives issued this statement through their attorneys, Thomas D. Goldberg and Amy K. Wilfert:

"The Clark family is extremely concerned by recent reports that raise troubling questions about Huguette Clark's advisors. The advisors in question are neither members of the Clark family nor were they retained at the behest of the family.

"Based on the press reports and other information available to the family, it appears that the advisors are improperly controlling Ms. Clark's affairs and limiting access to Ms. Clark. The allegations raised in the press include payments to benefit one of the advisors, Wallace Bock, mismanagement of Ms. Clark's financial affairs resulting in imposition of liens against her property, and improper efforts to pressure Ms. Clark to sign legal documents. The family is further concerned that Irving Kamsler, with the blessing of Bock, has continued as a fiduciary to Ms. Clark notwithstanding his felony conviction on a charge of attempting to disseminate indecent materials to a minor, and purported to obtain Ms. Clark's consent to the continued representation based on false and incomplete disclosure.

"Therefore, this morning, three cousins, each representing a different branch of the descendants of William Andrews Clark, filed a petition for the appointment of an independent guardian to manage Ms. Clark's affairs. The petitioners asked that, if the Court finds that relief is appropriate, it appoint as guardian a well-regarded and independent institution that has significant experience managing complex financial matters for wealthy individuals.

"Ian Devine, 57, of New York City, is a consultant to financial services firms and board president of an organization that provides supportive housing to homeless families and veterans in New York City.

"Carla Hall Friedman, 58, lives in New York City and is principal of Carla Hall Design Group, a brand communications and design consultancy. She serves as vice chair of two environmental organizations in upstate New York.

"Karine McCall, a published author and artist, resides in Washington DC. While living in London for many years, she was an active fundraiser for construction of a community center."

The petitioners say that Clark is frail and has poor eyesight and hearing, as would be common at her age, and that her "mental abilities are uncertain," but nevertheless "as a result of her age and physical condition, she has limited ability to understand and manage her financial affairs."

"Unless a guardian is appointed, Ms. Clark is likely to suffer personal and financial harm because she remains at risk of abuse from her purported fiduciaries, Bock and Kamsler," the petition says.

Update: Bock's spokesman, Michael McKeon, issued a brief statement Friday evening: "Mr Bock has and continues to act in the best interests of Ms Clark. Any allegation to the contrary is without support."

Kamsler's attorney, Elizabeth Crotty, sent this statement: "Mr. Kamsler has been Ms. Clark's accountant for many years. In that time, Mr. Kamsler has acted both professionally and diligently. It is unfortunate and questionable that Ms. Clark’s distant relatives are ignoring her decision to live a private life and now seek to make her personal matters public."

A recent visit by the accountant
The relatives claim that:

The relatives ask the court to bar Bock and Kamsler from visiting Clark, from presenting or sending her any documents to sign, from selling any of her property or signing any contracts on her behalf.

They also ask the court to appoint a financial institution to manage her finances.

The petition discloses that Clark lives at Beth Israel Hospital in New York City. (Msnbc.com has previously chosen not to disclose which hospital she is in, but now that location is a matter of court record. The hospital has been previously disclosed by New York newspapers.)

This week Bock's spokesman said that Clark had signed a will some time ago, but would not say who the beneficiaries were, or whether they include her attorney.

"We welcome an independent review," said McKeon, Bock's spokesman, "because we know it will demonstrate that Ms. Clark's affairs were handled appropriately, professionally and consistent with her wishes.

"Over the years," McKeon continued, "Ms. Clark has made all of her own decisions — including insisting on maintaining her privacy. In short, she has lived her life the way she has wanted to.

"Despite the numerous inaccurate assertions being made, Mr. Bock will continue to fulfill his professional obligations to honor and enforce her requirement of privacy."

In an article Wednesday on msnbc.com, Cynthia Garcia, a paralegal who worked for two years for Bock, in 2000-2002, described repeated unsuccessful attempts by Bock and Kamsler to persuade Clark to sign a will. Garcia said she didn't know whether a will was signed after she left Bock's firm. Bock's spokesman later said that she has signed a will "some time" ago; he would not say whether Bock is a beneficiary.

Clark was divorced in 1930 and is not known to have any children. Under New York law, if she has not signed a will or if that will were invalidated, Clark's estate of an estimated $500 million would flow to her nearest relatives, descendants from her father's first marriage. These include a far-flung group of about 50 Clark kin across the United States and in Europe, with whom she has had only limited contact, partly because Bock and Kamsler have barred visits to her, some of the relatives have said.

The criminal investigation is being handled by the same prosecutor as the Brooke Astor case, in which the son and attorney of the New York heiress were convicted of stealing from her. Huguette Clark's fortune is said to be about four times that of Astor.

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All of msnbc.com's reports and the TODAY Show videos on Huguette Clark are gathered at clark.msnbc.com.

Part one of the investigative report: At 104, mysterious heiress is alone now

Part two: Who is watching Huguette's millions?

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riddlerthis

I live in Montana and I go to school in Butte, Montana. The history there is unlike anywhere else in the country. Good job on the reporting of this topic. I think the media and rest of the nation ought to leave this lady alone. Montana is the greatest state in the country and partly so due to the uninhibited efforts of the late Mr. Clark.

It is thanks to him that Montana has the cities and stability that it currently has.

The Copper Kings' mansions are worth a look in person!

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Reply#1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:18 PM EDT
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They ( the family) should have an indepedent review of her situation, if they feel it may be warranted. If the article is correct in its reporting, there may be some questionable activities going on that the family has a right to put an end to. Hopefully this can be done without the media crawling all over the place.

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Reply#2 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 3:23 AM EDT
Danese

Manhattan district attorney is investigating the finances of Clark, the only surviving daughter of a copper miner and U.S. senator. The DA's Elder Abuse Unit has detectives looking at transactions in her bank accounts, as well as the sale of her Stradivarius violin for $6 million and a Renoir painting for $23.5 million.

"Our wish is to protect our aunt against exploitation and we are cooperating with authorities to do all that we can to ensure her health, safety and well-being," said a statement from the three half-nieces and half-nephews. "We respect her desire for privacy and request that others do the same for her and our entire family."

I wish them luck.

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Reply#4 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 3:03 PM EDT
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My Special Message For The 104-Year-Old Heiress: Miss/Ms. Huguette Clark.

– By Rogie (Gieor El Galaxy)

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I am little happy now that somebody had talking cares with this young elderly woman, Miss/Ms. Huguette Clark.

I hated when somebody loses the battle on my side without knowing more about the motive of other opponents.

And MSNBC will help fix that problem because it's the part of their job to help people who are in deep trouble.

Also, it's naturally to say they are, too, doing competition with other Cable News Company. So, it is permission.

I mean, I was talking about this young elderly woman, Miss/Ms Huguette Clark and MSNBC tried to get along

with it and caring to have a business affair with this woman to help her because Her life and soul is at stake here.

She can't enter gate to heaven for that if she give her stuff to the wrong causes or wrong people. She must see it

still with make sense of mind about the truth and see the light of it. The God is watching and loves human beings

those who live a life of making sense, kindness, rather than showing off how good and great they are, less sense.

I hoped she did it for love and hear those who are cries out loud in the air for help those who has good intention.

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Anyway, let us direct to the bottom of it.

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I am proud of this woman. She is resistance, she keeps on the fight.

I don’t like these two guys (suckers) the way they handled with her.

They're more acted like money opportunists than other things in life.

Almost everything are still not enough for them. They growing older. You think their living souls will be save? After...?

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The young elderly woman, Miss/Ms. Huguette Clark. She was a single, not married, and no heir for herself.

She had a reason of choice for being single and loner in her entire life since then when she realized that huge

amounts of money and wealth are root of curse or evil. Keep going and keep going piling up in her account

(in her time) and she don't know how to deal with it anymore. And thoughts that money trying to controlling

with her to the points of either good or bad point. If she is not think carefully, it would ruin even cost her life.

But I am so glad she is a living smart type of person. More longer life she had get rather than living lavish life.

I am single, too. And I really do not know if I will be single forever. I am not doing or making any advantage

for that woman. I'm just trying to help. Also, because I was disturbed by a dream. Thanks for Chloe Agnew

songs, dream, and presence, now I do understood why. Time used her as sign for Miss/Ms. Huguette Clark (that needs to be understood by me).

This woman had been stuck up and lived inside her room for a long time and losing trust with greedy people.

My only intention and good opportunity for this elderly woman is to fix her to better health or make her well:

If she can’t see anymore, then, help her see again...those who work for eye care, vision, anything is possible.

No problem about her hear loss, there is a hearing aid batteries she could use that temporarily.

I am sure this woman is not acting like a child or turned mind like little kid again,

but young again just have matured and solid state of mind thinking.

And she's like reminding me of my Grandpa (Mabus or Ma-bus), little adventurist, act solid, and intact mind.

Most of the time when he like going walking down the street go along the Park for health exercises,

it worried me a lot because there are lot of vehicles passing by and sometimes he walked

beyond the white line of the road, so, I am beside and behind with him on guard.

It's reminded me that I am Jackie Chan and I am walking with my Drunken Master walking zigzag direction.

So sweats. Yes. Even if he is already no longer here now (pass away Year 2000), I saw them several times in a dream.

Anyways, about this woman, Miss/Ms Huguette Clark, I want her to get back to health, see and smell the freshness of air outside,

and breathe fresh air, and feel the greenish beauty of Environment.

Embrace her with hug, give lot of hope, and love the most, and to feel no regret.

Most of all, the reason why I cared about this woman because I saw this woman in a dream,

disguised as young adult woman with a child and about to look-a-like and lifestory of Brooke Shields

and not having pretty baby heirs for her at all...and it happened to the life of Miss/Ms. Huguette Clark is story.

And unknown voices that I heard in a dream told me that she was one of the 1930s, known to the public and society.

When I saw that woman in a dream, they are already looks like a ghost or hologram or ghastly shaped in form of human figure.

While seeing her in dream she was again getting younger and younger. And she was trapped or beside her was a bear trap or jaws trap.

And then I saw and heard the voices of a Capricorn person to look-a-like like my brother and telling me about her life story, I heard it, it’s awful.

I think, that is her daughter that got stuck up in there and not feeling free beside that trap.

This Capricorn guy or person is also reminding me of my Mom’s Fiance or Live-in friend and he was born Capricorn.

He is very good to me, and I do the same. Also because he don't have any children. A Scottish descent.

Single and Reserve, World is a wreck, I think that is the reason? I don't know about me?

You know what, I don’t know how to interpret this dream story of mine.

Interpreting dream is a very frustrating and swoll pain in ass for me, because it takes time to get and finalized the answer.

All I can say and interpreted it is that I think the Capricorn guy or man was thought to be her (Huguette) father that trying to tell me.

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Finding this young elderly woman, Miss/Ms. Huguette Clark I found her story here MSNBC

that days about couple of weeks now while I was searching for news about flood in Pakistan.

Actually, it was her Photo Pictures first that really get my attention to her, not news about her.

I said, “Wow, Ladies from the past.” Then clicking to checking out her other pictures.

I said again, “Wow, strangely beautiful and different from the others.”

And then followed up by reading news about her life story.

I said, “Not bad. It's amazing. Living in splendor.”

And still alive!...but I don't understand.

To me of finding her was like a fate or destiny that needs to do a research or discovery.

Dream story that I had was driving with me crazy in an exact time doing with flashback

right in time when I beginning to know this woman. After that, getting to know all her family.

And I was like in sudden excitement when realized it, “Whoa! It can't be. My dream! It can't be.”

I will tell you what, all this, it sounds like it all worked by a curse of time.

All I can say is that Death was the ones who works all dreams, I mean, the people, alien, and other intelligence

from beyond already passed away, including ancient, or ancestors who died long before us and now living as immortals

are the ones that bestowed or gifted, who grasp or possessed great knowledge and power, the ones who controlled or conducted, and manipulated dreams.

To get closer and make friend with Death with good intention, the curse becomes a blessing.

Those who are not, the blessing become a curse. And that is how I interpreted them all.

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Now that Miss/Ms. Huguette Clark is a loner, elder, and a single woman

I am sure she is secretly using those dolls to pretending as her little pretty baby.

I hope that she still have an intact mind and try to avoid not be suffered by this things.

Hope she'll fight it. It just little bit worried me because it's reminding me of Brooke Shields,

she go act crazy if she can't have baby. So glad God listening to her, blessed, and she got babies.

If Shields have not any kids, and God was not acting like Bill Clintoon, probably she'll end up with dolls.

And more dolls, I think? If she not give anything she wanted, probably she'll go car incident or thinking suicide

and blames all this Postpartum stuffs, and even blame Tom Cruise for it of why he chooses to worships Scientology.

And it is Weird. Oh, my God that woman, Shields? So glad, babies' father was an Aries born writer and producer, Jor El?

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At that time in a dream I asked him, Jor El (Mr. Henchy), “Who Am I?” He said to me, “I Am Yours.”

When I woke up from dream and my hands wide open, and I said, “...what??”

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If you ever heard the words term, “Postpartum Depression” stuff, that means, it will always be Brooke Shields, and it will so hardly be forgotten.

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The Readers, please, now that I am mentioning Brooke Shields here. Please, do not tell this to Brooke Shields, okay?...because she naturally knows me.

She (Emmeline from the Lagoon) knows my name and I am little shy about it.

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But for Miss/Ms. Huguette Clark, I will go easy on this woman because of so many reason, her life story I did understand.

And also I had past experience about this matter (no affair included) about women that was born in the year sign of Horse.

They have showed how kind they were to me, and be so lovable. If I were response to their love but I am sorry I had not

or try not to be fall into their love trap. They can even try to sacrifice themselves for me by sign, by showing me their skins

cut with blood happened by accident. And it is making me uneasy or feeling vulnerable to feel about it. I'm supposed to be

the one doing all this things, and not theirs, and making them proud and be looking lovely that will shining them all day long.

I'd look at the 1925 old class photo from Miss Spence's School, Huguette Clark is sitting second from left in the front row.

She is so different from the other students. Much younger face than the others faces. More lighter with little bit strangeness.

No wonder why she got this gene for age of longevity, I mean, living a long life. Wish she live more long life and have hope,

and serve those who cared for her, and help humanity because I sensed it her life to pass out of this World, it's not time yet.

God gave her more long life for reason because of her good sense of thinking, she got a jackpot of getting life for longevity:

living a long life, and she was right. Now she just need kind companion to be with or associate with. Trusting other suckers

for their own sakes taking more wealth from her. If I were God, I will punish them. If their souls ever wish to go to heaven,

I'll put a firewall on it to make sure they cannot enter. And this is you will know me how tough I am when it comes into this.

The prayer that she is still be stronger in life and mind. I want her get up and walk and be feel strong again, it's not time yet (to travel another world by spirit).

That is me when I am having unusual and rares disturbing dreams and feel like I can't sleep about it and keeps thinking of it.

So I fight back and to solving the message of this unusual and disturbing nightmare dreams of mine.

I hated repeated dreams all the times, it's disturbing me and my way of life.

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You know the reasoned why Ms. Huguette Clark, her couple of houses somewhere in America

were fully emptied for a long time and not even since lived with any relatives or people?

All I can say is that she was a loner: alone. ...It was okay for her to become a loner,

at least she is not far away from the presence of other people closer into her sight

to be look after with, and given a good health attention, she needs a lot of care and protection.

She seems to be venerable and need an eye-to-eye companion stand like a real prince, special someone or missing friend(s).

She has a history of little afraid about wars or rumors of war and wish to hide in a protective hideout below if necessary

and she did it so once and twice or more, and anxiety reveal and ruled over her and even having in state of paranoid,

no wonder why she is awake in mind and aware all the times on other things that is why she had learned it from it,

and her restlessness nature are like her security alarm when she needed it, for encase of something fishy event.

And last, now that I've told about some things about this Lady, nobody mess up with this woman, okay?

(she has its own freedom and understanding) specially that I am closer into her presence like a guardian angel

while accidentally finding her by luck or fate, in fact, it was in a dream and time that guide me through this into her.

I hope she is not dying closer yet, okay? If she did, then, she tried to communicate her presence to other people by dream,

and that means something trouble have happened in the situation that so hard to agree with or things that are not fully satisfied of.

Anyways, just the a little funny thing and worked part of cosmic jokers or coincidence that crashing up into my life and I wish to say it that:

I blamed the flood in Pakistan (part of Global Warming) it was the reasoned of all this thing

that finding and seeing her for the first time in my life by photo pictures posted on MSNBC.

Now I am getting involve into her life business because I found out she was treated unfairly

by her trusted colleagues (suckers), which is I feeling it injustice and a sort of secret cruelty.

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“Huguette was forced to sign a will and talking @!$%# behind her back if she is not signing anymore other things.

And they're acted so selfishly and trying to stop her from giving some of her reward gifts to friends (if true friends).”

Is that what they called it, “Ms. Clark has made all of her own decisions — including insisting on maintaining her privacy?”

It was not her decision, it was those Guys' decisions. And what kind of privacy they are talking about here? Or Guys' privacy?

One more thing, "In short, she has lived her life the way she has wanted to.” What? Until the end of her life? Men with a middle man.

I don't agree with this quote or philosophy. Lot of people always changed their minds when they find out their colleagues done wrongdoing.

Some people gave up or surrender when threaten them to death, scaring them hard, and here they surrender their might. I hope not by Ms. Clark.

Most of all, it happens like this to other people, after signing everything on piece of paper with rules and policy of affidavit, then telling to shoo them out

and get out of town or don't comeback, or get lost. Like putting them more into like less value or unimportant or nothing at all, like a blown trash in the street.

Including their closes friends who are cared for them telling them to “shoo!” while these smart ass humans are so eagerly and temptation to control and cannot wait

to get-in-hand with that single owner's inheritance, and they'll be so happy with secret mocking to receive it sooner or later. What are these guys, lucky? That's inhumane.”

That making me angry. They were already had been given great amounts of gifts and are still asking for more?

And also because they are part lawyers with authority and can do things for their own sake.

It was almost like it's the same thing that we saw or watch in the movie.

She has its own freedom, okay? Let her decide what to do with that some of her stuff.

And not by lies or pretend, or not even by force that comes from the mouth and strength of others (suckers?)

You know that she is vulnerable but a fighter and still love to live in full active life, I am sure she is.

No harsh thing for her, okay, leave her alone! And I don't agree with those quote or philosophy.

The United States Of America exposing negativeness into this matter if they keeps doing that.

There are 100,000 of good and positive hopes on Earth that are wishes to get enjoy with.

Don't let young elder woman be guided into the wrong sense course of action

because sometimes she will follow that idea if she is tricked out by these folks.

She's living in hospital right now, hoped the nurses who taking cared of her should not

take a woman with side-effect pills that will make her more weaken very slowly

to more sense of vulnerability, lose more sight or hearing like a trap bait to lure her out.

I hope those suckers and their associates and secret associates would tell the truth about condition of the woman

that she is still strong and sharp mind (even if she is now cannot see and losing her hearing). If found out she's not,

that means she is now closer to death. And these people are guilty as charge because they are lying and probably

continuing to hypnotizing or mesmerizing the woman to say repeat after them and do it whatever they says or told.

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All I can think and say about of this Woman is that:

She is almost like a one of the most precious treasure that needs to be handled with care of, not mess her up or ruin her life.

The reasoned why I called her like that because she was a loner: she is alone, she's one of the last magnificent

and splendor people living in the west with life of classic majestic history, one of the major figure,

one last living survivor heiress of William Clark, himself, and his daughter has no heir,

one of the most popular and well known in her time since then until now,

deserved and given with honors, also, because of the complement and grace from her father one of the greatest people in 19th Century

who challenged against time so ungrateful, and also competing against other competitors challenge who is the greater,

acting tough and ruthless that gives and leaves people with heartaches, unfairness, and sadness,

and gives bad example for his kids. At least, they've got what they wanted.

Had served in US Politics, making a lot of business.

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Here is sweet Quotes:

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“Sometimes it is can be considered it right that acting tough, stunning, and ruthless that gives and leaves the people with heartaches, unfairness, and sadness,

and gives bad example for his kids while out there fighting, challenging to beat time's ruthless way. At least, they have got what they wanted as long as they

give something back in return to anyone, it will make them feeling warm and happy again and not acting snubs or hated rich folks.

And the giver is heart shall be feeling lighten up in a little bit because I felted that way, because it is true.”

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When it comes to a living memory, She is a living treasure.

Sacrificed herself of some fortune just in order to put the Jobless to work and she will

be remembered again these days. And other good things deed that she'd made. A woman worthy to be admired.

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Of all the couple of things messages that I have posted here on MSNBC's Newsvine that might little sounds interesting.

I am sure, you will find it more than interesting in this word that I so called “Mabus” that I am mentioned about.

Actually, it wasn't dangerous at all... or scaring the beJesus out of them for the World to see and heard.

Comparing my Grandpa's Name and this word so called “Mabus” that can sometimes be mysteriously trick puzzled quatrain

and part of Nostradamus' cleverest and vague idea of prophecy for folks that needs to be extremely interpreted with.

Only just to make sure that he is not in trouble against authority and public eyes or society outside in his time.

Because in his time those who were so “ignorant: dumb-and-dumber with little wits” would thinking

that working clairvoyance like this stuff was work of witchcraft and even the devil they said.

So, instead of predicting people's life and the event and telling their real names directly and easy to be identify with, that is scary.

Instead, he put it this way into opposite and mind bugling idea, encoding the word to make sure nobody would understand it

making it less intense. Only passing by through hot-nerve-folks when hearing message and not hurt much people's feeling,

but fun to solving problem... Or the Nostradamus is in trouble and don't have a gut or not wise enough to work it out.

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My Grandpa was born on 06/02/1911, but I am more interested with “06/02/11”

or I'll puzzle-out it again and should ended up like this “06/02/1+1=2” or final answer: “06/02/02.”

Nostradamus' Quatrain about Mabus is “C2, Q62” or “C2/Q6/2” a close comparison of “06/02/02.”

Right in time my Grandpa's secret name was “Mabus” or “Ma-Bus”, his first and last abbreviation name.

After death of Mabus, a year later was the beginning of slaughtering and deaths of many people and animals.

It was definitely the September 11, 2001 and mysterious deaths of many animals from land and sea, then America's conducted War on Terror.

America looking for vengeance, revenge, or pay back time. And the results or consequences about these wars are:

The hundred united in One, helping hands and home rebuild after dropping bombs that guilty country,

drought and famine and followed by World Hunger after the Aftermath of Wars and Global Warming

(wraths of Mother Nature) like what happened now and then, including failing economy or recession

while passing comet brought good or bad massage always at least every 7 years.

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For example: 1994 Shoemaker-Levi's Comets or Asteroids aiming the direct hits on planet Jupiter.

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1994 (Shoemaker-Levi's Comet or Asteroids event) + 7 (years of announced omen from the sky) = 2001 (Year A.D. [Anno Domini]: September 11, 2001).

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If you question about me and my motive when it come to this? All I can say is that Nostradamus were born Sagittarius, and so do I.

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I am just making it sure you all Readers are not to misunderstanding it. I am saving the World in secret way of manner in a not quite showing-off type, okay?

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“Gieor El”, derived from the name “Jor El”. ““Gieor El Galaxy = Gi'e'or “el” of Ga'l'axy.”” “Gieor” hidden name, real name: “roGie.”

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Okay, I'll give you my clue. I was born in “Chocolate Hills.” Is this Jor El is crazy idea of misusing Kryptonian crystal? What you think? Not special enough?

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(I lived in the west now).

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Nostradamus Prophecy:

Century 2, Quatrain 62

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Mabus will soon die, = My Grandpa: “Ma-Bus.” Died: Year 2000.

then will come: A horrible undoing of people and animals, = The September 11, 2001: Killing and mysterious death of People

and Animals: mammals, reptiles, birds etc... (from year 2001 to until these days year 2010 and beyond).
At once one will see vengeance, = N. America's Revenge, Payback time, War On Terror.
One hundred powers, thirst, famine, = The Aftermaths of Wars and Global Warming (Mother Nature's wrath):

World hunger, and great amounts of Donations after finding casualties affected by disasters.

when the comet will pass. = The 1994 Levi-Shoemaker Comets. Year 1994 + 7 = Year 2001.

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If Nostradamus ever prophesied the death of my Grandpa 450 years ago, he might be also see and know me in his boiling water.

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And that was how Nostradamus making unique Prophecy. Doesn't it making sense? It's up to you.

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Folks, about the Global Warming and World getting over Population and it worried me more next years or so or even later years.

The World's heat temperatures are going to rise up more. When that happen so do Natural Disaster produces more and intensity,

and destroys land-surface, properties, and mankind. I am talking about all around the World now. Dream showed me everything.

The World will truly End (I will say this now as a critically fact, no secret) if no one care about their surrounding and environment.

Human Beings' errors or mistakes they have made like war, crime, overpopulation, and their pollution. Don't blame Al Gore for it.

But discipline and teach themselves to have a self-control, and learn to make sense. Divine nature and Human nature are different. Or Divine nature wipeout the entire Planet.

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I want talk about the word term, “Overpopulation” because this is the No. 1 in my list and it cannot be ignored or disregard.

Overpopulation are the life system of human beings that reproducing a lot of offspring without their thinking. 3 to 4 offspring

in one household are still fine, but over than that are closer to not good. Living unhealthy life, working more hard and weary

and have no more time to enjoy life. It's going to be messy life even place. Overpopulation could consumed much of natural

resources and hacking and logging more forests in the Green Environment because of more great demands. Slowly the land

and surface will be strip and rape. Smokes and gasses of their Factory Plants without the filters could causes great pollution.

When air pollution and its noxious gasses rules over the sky it could manipulate to produce or create deadly Mother Nature

(Natural Disaster: storm or hurricane) aim to strike in noticed or unnoticed and destroy path, and no one can escape from it.

Too much population can make the World to looks like poverty with poor houses, full of crimes and hidden deaths injustice,

added with corrupt government and politics, and these poor would sometimes blame others for what had happened to them.

And last most of all, when things all goes terribly wrong this could create hatred and messy environment and looking for war.

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I hope my message would reach throughout this woman. She is a Gemini, she loves to reading letters.

I am going to be an unknown hero for this young-elderly Lady for some reasons. My aim is to secret

saving her life and her soul to a more life of making sense, because she living that way, also, Heugette.

If she did not make sense, probably she already married these days or wedding many times in her life

with many mistakes she will made. Others will ruins her dad's fortune. But She is a very smart woman. My message would enjoy and enlighten her.

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My few weeks ago posting (updating to be remembered).

http://business.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/19/4927875-at-104-mysterious-heiress-is-alone-now?pc=25&sp=350#discussion_nav

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Cared Song Dedication For The Woman:

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The Prayer – Chloe Agnew Celtic Woman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie_ztuWqTQk&feature=related

For Heugette to make her feel well and better.

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Barry Manilow – I Write The Songs (1976)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1gzuq2TOk

For Heugette this will make her response.

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Reply#5 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 3:35 PM EDT
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One more thing. I think it's time to share this to you, too.

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Another Dream Story of mine. I think this story has something to do with this woman.

I was having this dream past couples of months ago now (7 months) nighttime dream.

This elder lady, Huguette, I just know her few weeks ago now because of the events of Flood in Pakistan.

But this dream story that I am going to share to telling you because, sure, it is sometimes has something to do with this woman.

In dream, I saw myself there and I saw the woman. I do not know who she is but she is beautiful looks buffy busty sexy and wearing angelic gown

that use to looked more like a she is a ghost or ghastly white lady in white soft gown, bedtime gown dancing with me in the air.

You know, an already dead woman long ago and came back to earth as white lady and wearing this white

bedtime gown, looks scary almost like you are seeing vampire, a ghost or something?

We were dancing in the air and it seems to me more like we are ice dancing in the air

instead of ice dancing on ice.

I heard a background music that made me and her going ice dancing in the air while we are flying like Peter Pan circling around and back and forth.

I heard that background music and Barbra Streisand was the one who singing it. It was titled, “The Way We Were.”

That music was very smooth while playing it, bit slow motion, and so melodic like I am feeling it like very emotional romantic thing

and can fall back into your knees. We're dancing in the air. I saw a glance of her face of course see her body in white lady's gown.

While we did that ice dancing in the air, I saw people down there about a dozen of them that standing.

It appears like they are doing matrimony stuff like wedding stuff down there.

And I was looking at these wedlock people. I saw the groom and the bride.

A long time looking and I was looking more at the bride, she started to forming into a look-a-like Brooke Shields.

I remembered the surrounding and place they were standing almost like it's the same place were Agassi and Brooke wed.

And I didn't stop looking a lot with that woman that is look-a-like Brooke while I was ice dancing in the air with a ghostly woman.

Men, this mysterious woman in bedtime suit or gown that I am dancing with,

we were dancing like one together all around and around in the air the same

thing like Caterpillar Coaster.

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Next another dream (repeated dreams).

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The second time dream (6 months ago) I still heard the same music background “The Way We Were”

with the same song voice of Barbra Streisand when I heard it.

Very smooth while playing it in slow motion and so melodic that even the indestructible and fearsome dragon can fall back into its knees.

But this dream story is little bit different from the first one. I saw myself there and I was there inside the house.

And it's look like old. Everything is old and very antique. I saw a man in wearing an 1800 or 19th Century clothing.

Whenever that man see things, I saw it also. Almost like we are one person...or I don't know?

Sometimes I would like to interpret it that I am those person that I am talking about even if it was not me.

You know dreams, they can do anything. They can use you or others as an example, or maybe that's really actual you or ghost of the other that watching you.

Whenever that man see things, I saw it also. A long time watching that man, I getting like...I am him that person that I am looking.

...I don't know, it's hard to explain. I looked at myself I saw myself wearing a neat 1800 or 19th Century formal clothing.

The person that I am looking at him was an actor guy from the movie “The Time Machine (2002).” It's like he was me in that dream.

It was like I was wearing a professor’s dress clothing. While I was standing there, looking at the chalkboard or huge blackboard

filled with many interesting writing formulas of discovery, before building the something like machine.

I see I was talking to another man sitting at the chair. He looks like Professor Stephen Hawkins, the British scientist? I don't get it.

It's like we were talking and explaining to each other about the scientific experiment

or scientific method all at the front of our noses written down on the big chalkboard.

I saw another chalkboard the small ones. Filled with scientific diagrams or blueprint drawings that is about to be created or invention.

When I saw it, even I, myself, whoa! So staggered and amazed by it. I was astonished beyond doubt of what I have saw. It was incredible.

The things old scientific diagrams that I've never seen before, even our modern technology can't defeat it, surpass it, excel it, break or overtake.

That I have seen things: scientific diagrams or blueprints, is way beyond imaginable.

Then I have sensed him...or me that is. I felted troubled of him, with lonely emotion.

A sad emotion inside of him...or me because it felted like we are in dual personality.

I read his mind...I mean me, that he wish to go back in time or go time travel future

because there is something is missing and he wanted to get it back in his hand again.

I felted, it was a woman he is trying to get back with and be embrace into his arm again.

And he is so eager to completed that scientific work and must be realize it as sooner as possible.

Then I woke up from dream. When I woke up I am feeling so frustrated.

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I do not know exactly how to interpret this my dream of mine because I am little confused and I am not much practicing to become interpreter.

But this dream story that shared to tell you, that's true. I speak everything what I have seen in dream.

And I write it down on papers and also in my computer.

You really have no idea that I have somewhere about 800 dream stories in my lifetime right now, closer now to the 1000 dream stories.

I've written down some most important dream stories about World Events, most I don't write it down anymore, it's wearing me out.

I don't know why I was chosen by time to do this thing and making me suffered,

while all the others out there do happy lives and do crazy stuffs. It's not fair.

I have lot more things dreams wish to tell you, but that is enough now.

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I wish to interpret this two dream story that I have shared to tell you.

Whatever this dream story that is talking about or what is it trying to mean.

Probably, a dream message for the real world those who are caught up by this.

If this dream story has something to do with Huguette or Miss/Ms Huguette Clark,

because in this year 2010 I always had dreamed about old woman that wish to return

or coming back to life even if its skeleton still moving and it's freaking me out in a dream.

If She is that person, all I can say is that lost soul mates both living in different distant time.

Both trying to save each other, but fate keep stopping them from getting near to each other.

The guy from the movie “The Time Machine (2002)” that I saw in a dream and plan to build a machine,

like what you have seen or watched in the movie “The Time Machine (2002)” and doing time traveling,

and far reaches out year 2000 and beyond, even he witnessed the endtimes of humanity living on Earth.

That means, Huguette, if she ever had any friend, a mate, soulmate, buddies the most important people

in her life whoever that person was and discover out existed and living in distant time. That person's life

and life of this world and remaining time on Earth that have left, the World is going to an End in his time.

And you know what that means? Endtimes scenarios: Apocalyptic War, Global Warming, then Climate to Change.

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Here is another dream story of mine (June, 2010) that I am wish to tell you and I am going direct to the interpretation of this now.

The British Monarch in Great Britain that I am mentioning Prince William and Prince Harry, including their Grandma (UK Queen).

The two young men: Prince William and Prince Harry, they will live and meet that days of dark times when the sky turn into dark

covered with dark clouds. The same time to a person (Huguette's any friend) to meet the days of dark times. Endtimes scenarios. Are they going to be saviors?

And this worries me a lot now. In these days there are many will laughs, mocks, even making fun people thoughts they're lunatics?

But when that time is visit, passing by, and time is up. These many will become the lunatics and doing protest and creates hysteria

in the streets. Will speak up words and or complains and gathering to help trying to fix Earth's problems, which is already too late.

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Another dream story (1st week, September 2010).

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And I want MSNBC to pay attention in this. I'll go direct to the interpretation on this most.

I saw couples of omen of comets that were showing up in the sky.

One from the north. One from the South.

In the north I saw the comet dragging the complete picture of Hitler with it and heading south.

In the south I saw the comet that miraculously shaping into figure like of Virgin Mary, big one,

and she is having problem delivering a baby and speeding towards north.

I saw another speeding comets big and other small

and they already turned into pieces and beautifully and wonderfully glittering.

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You know how to interpret that? Only real professional and heartily dedicated people can interpret that.

Here is mine interpretation: War (Conflicts) and Global Warming (Natural Disasters). How about yours?

And other speeding comets big and the small and breaking into pieces, and beautifully and wonderfully

glittering in the sky, means, that's wise people who listen and pay attention to the message from the sky.

I am not expert or professional, okay? I am only a person suffered by dream. I had tried to interprets it

because I fought back...or this Planet verging down to losses and failures. World is always made errors.

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#5.1 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 3:36 PM EDT
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SirRalph

Do You Won't Them Two Take All Her Money It Was Nice Of Mr Clark  To Do That For Montana It Is Time That Someone One Steps In Don't You Think

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Reply#6 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 5:32 PM EDT
bettiebee

The history there is unlike anywhere else in the country. Good job on the reporting of this topic. I think the media and rest of the nation ought to leave this lady alone.. When I saw that woman in a dream, they are already looks like a ghost or hologram or ghastly shaped in form of human figure.

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Reply#7 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 1:16 AM EDT
Rogie (Gieor El Galaxy)

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PART ONE

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Another dream story (1st week, September 2010).

My Repeating Message:

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And I want MSNBC to pay attention into this. I'll go direct to the interpretation on this most.

I saw couples of omen of comets that were showing up in the sky.

One from the north. One from the South.

In the north I saw the comet dragging the complete picture of Hitler with it and heading south.

In the south I saw the comet that miraculously shaping into figure like of Virgin Mary, big one,

and she is having problem delivering a baby and speeding towards north.

I saw another speeding comets big and other small

and they already turned into pieces and beautifully and wonderfully glittering.

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Interpretation:

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* In the north I saw the comet dragging the complete picture of Hitler with it and heading south.

= The Reminiscent of Hitler. Direct Point: “If no building mosque, no burning books.”

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* In the south I saw the comet that miraculously shaping into figure like of Virgin Mary, big one,

and she is having problem delivering a baby and speeding towards north.

= One of Mother Nature (Tropical Storm) struck Texas

and it is creeping notice or noticed

destroying path.

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I know exactly what they are trying to do. I sensed determination of this man, he is going to do it.

The Magneto, one of the X-Men, Jewish. Was called by his fellows X-Men to do huge gathering.

This Magneto (Ian Mckellen look-a-like with mustache), he is going to burn others sacred books

Well, it's only the copies, anyway. Maybe it all the old books, it can be replaces it with new ones.

So, the others who are overreacting, take it easy!

I know exactly what he is doing if that old books.

He is going to burn it, utter a simple call or warning direct to the real radicals who do not respect

((((Not including citizens that living in peace who followed constitution despite of different culture or religion,

unless if they are secretly links with radicals they will be in troubled, too, and you will find out about it, truth will exposed.))))

The others that he called the radicals were been doing the same thing burning bibles most of all burning flags

a lots of times in one year, since many years ago, and many times were kept saying that wherever

these western people going somewhere around the World will be killed by the radicals.

And how many times they made to do that? A lot.

While the look-a-like Ian Mckellen or Magneto, he just about to became a starter and defending Christianity.

He is no loner. He is also protected by the constitution.

He has some sense and he has rights, and the company of X-Men are with him.

And he has this word he wish to say almost like a trick or all the gathering X-Men is last option of idea:

Building a Mosque near closer to Twin Towers (New York), or Burning Books and added it as another National Holiday (Florida)?

If no building mosque, no burning books. And how can people escape from that problem and situation?

And reminiscent of Hitler is planning it and it must have to happen when he feel

like it because sometimes they feel like it, in God's call.

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And it is almost like Hitler now is acting like pro-Christian, not anymore pro-Pagan.

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Like what The Magneto said (now doing this drastic measure to do it) to the Press,

"How much do we back down? How many times do we back down?

Instead of us backing down, maybe it's to time to stand up.

Maybe it's time to send a message to radical that we will not tolerate their behavior."

The X-Men: Magneto have had enough with these radicals.

It will be him (Magneto) and his guy (Pyro) are going fiery blazing copies of books.

Actually, these sacred copies of books were snatched out and taken up by some group of X-Men living from the north (New York).

Brought and delivered it out south in Florida to be all burn.

So, these X-Men buddies from the north (New York) opposing about the building of mosque nearer the Twin Towers.

The X-Men buddies were frustrated and called out their master “Magneto” in Florida and pressure to burn the books in 9/11/2010.

If Magneto ever show his forgiveness and leniency to these radicals and make a great deal with them,

he can live a normal life and become a good Pastor once again and even his face will change into look-a-like Gandalf.

But Magneto is stubborn, and he hated Gay movie (LOTR). He even said, “No Homo.”

I'd watched LORT, The Lothlorien Elves, they are so gay.

Long hairs, pointy ears, faces,

so gay.

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In the first movie X-Men, Ian Mckellen “The Magneto” already casting out this script and he said, “Homo Sapient and your guns!”

And he became Terrik Lehnsherr Jones “The Magneto” use his power against the radicals.

Indeed, pretty much he is stubborn (san of a bits).

He serious.

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No worry, I am not going to get involve in this matter.

I am Gieor El, I am forbidden to disturbing human history (Superman).

But I am caring and paying attention to the well-beings of this elder woman, Huguette.

I am watching. Also, I am sensing something specialty about her. It's hard to explain and I am feeling it.

(Also because of these strange dreams of mine that I have that is why. My presence would keep me to look after her).

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– by Rogie (Gieor El Galaxy)

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Reply#8 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 8:06 PM EDT
Danese

I honestly believe you. Are you a prophet?

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#8.1 - Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:26 AM EDT
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