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GOP investigators take aim at health care overhaul

Tue Nov 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST
business, politics, us, health-care, barack-obama, care, targeting, can-i
Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press
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<p>FILE - In this Nov. 4, 2010, file photo Republican Senate Minority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell of Ky., speaks about the the elections and policy agenda for moving forward at the Heritage Foundation in Washington. On, CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, Nov. 7, 2010, McConnell says banning pork-barrel projects known as "earmarks" from congressional legislation is more complicated than it appears, but that he is willing to consider such a ban. He added that a ban on earmarks will only limit the discretion of where to spend the vast federal budget and not curb spending.  (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)</p>

FILE - In this Nov. 4, 2010, file photo Republican Senate Minority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell of Ky., speaks about the the elections and policy agenda for moving forward at the Heritage Foundation in Washington. On, CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, Nov. 7, 2010, McConnell says banning pork-barrel projects known as "earmarks" from congressional legislation is more complicated than it appears, but that he is willing to consider such a ban. He added that a ban on earmarks will only limit the discretion of where to spend the vast federal budget and not curb spending. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)

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WASHINGTON — Republicans plan to use the investigative powers of Congress to go after President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, and they're focusing on questions uppermost in the minds of consumers:

What's it going to cost me? Can I keep the coverage I have if I like it?

Republicans can call hearings and compel testimony, and Obama has no veto power to stop them. In the House, they'll control three major committees with a mandate to poke around on health care, subpoenas available if needed. In the Senate, they'll have added leverage on two key panels, so their demands can't be easily ignored.

Republicans say they'll focus on what the new health care law will mean for Medicare and employer health plans, mainstays of the middle class.

"Oversight will play a crucial role in Republican efforts," Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said. "We may not be able to bring about straight repeal in the next two years ... but we can compel administration officials to attempt to defend this indefensible health spending bill."

Still, Republicans would be wise to show they're serious about making improvements to the complex law. Mere grandstanding is likely to fall flat, says Danielle Brian, executive director of the Project on Government Oversight, a nonpartisan watchdog.

"If their intent is simply to point fingers and demonize the Democrats, then they are never actually going to accomplish their goals," said Brian. She said she's hearing mixed messages from Republicans, and from Democrats "an overreaction that any oversight is a threat."

The first question for the GOP is where to start. The overhaul reaches nearly every corner of society in its attempt to cover more than 30 million Americans now uninsured.

GOP lawmakers on both sides of the Capitol are clamoring to question Medicare administrator Don Berwick, who was appointed without Senate confirmation and has yet to testify before committees that oversee his program.

"This past Congress has had no oversight over the (Medicare) director," said Frank Macchiarola, Republican staff director for the Senate health committee. "He hasn't testified. The department has been unresponsive to letters from members. And it's astonishing."

Questions for Berwick: Will seniors in private insurance plans through Medicare Advantage face higher premiums because government payments to insurers are cut by the law? Will other Medicare cuts drive hospitals and nursing homes out of business? What does Medicare plan to do with new research comparing the effectiveness of selected drugs and medical procedures?

HHS officials say Berwick's views from a career as a medical doctor dedicated to improving the quality of care are well known. The overhaul strengthens Medicare, they add, and Berwick won't be shy about making that case himself when he testifies before Congress at the appropriate time.

"HHS is focused on delivering the benefits of the (law) to the American people as fast as we can through a steady, transparent implementation process," said spokeswoman Jenny Backus. "We are confident that Congress shares this commitment."

Republicans also want to grill Berwick's boss, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. They have questions about costs and benefits of the overhaul for working families.

Reps. Dave Camp, R-Mich., and Joe Barton, R-Texas, say they want to examine unintended consequences for job-based coverage, the kind that most Americans have. Camp is expected to chair the Ways and Means Committee in the new Congress, and Barton is currently the ranking Republican on Energy and Commerce.

Initial estimates indicated the law would have a minimal effect on big company plans.

But a new report from Mercer, a major benefits consulting firm, finds that 6 percent of large employers say they're likely to drop their plans after the law is fully in effect in 2014, sending their workers into new government-sponsored insurance markets offering guaranteed coverage and, for many, taxpayer subsidies. Among small employers, one in five plans to drop coverage. While those are still small numbers, Republicans say it could be the start of a trend.

Camp also wants to know why HHS has exempted more than 100 employers, unions and insurance companies from a requirement that limits annual dollar caps on health care benefits.

"If this law is so great, then why are all these companies having to get waivers?" Camp asked.

HHS says the exemptions are only temporary, granted to avoid significantly higher premiums or a loss of coverage.

After months of protracted negotiations, Congress wrote the overhaul in broad strokes and left it to regulation writers in the federal bureaucracy to spell out specifics of how the components will work.

Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming, ranking Republican on the Senate health committee, plans to take a close look at those regulations, the instruction manual for the overhaul. His staff says he's prepared to use a little-known federal law called the Congressional Review Act to slow down or try to block elements that he finds problematic.

When Republicans were in charge in the past, they left a mixed record on oversight.

The low point may have come when a House committee delved into conspiracy theories surrounding the death of former President Bill's Clinton White House counsel Vince Foster. The death was ruled a suicide.

But Republicans can also point to successes, including the House investigation of Ford-Firestone rollover crashes and the Senate probe of the withdrawn painkiller Vioxx.

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Linda412

Where are the JOBS for the people?

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  • 15 votes
#1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:09 PM EST
mgbirish

Dammit Linda you beat me to it!!

Where are the jobs!! There I got it in!! LOL

  • 14 votes
#1.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:54 PM EST
maximillio

If I never see McConnell's stupid weasel face again it will be too soon.

  • 11 votes
#1.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:05 PM EST
Andy-827327

If I never see McConnell's stupid weasel face again it will be too soon.

Well learn to get used to it...and Boehner's to, they aren't going anywhere!

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:08 PM EST
CCArm

here we go. Turn the next two years into grandstanding and witch hunts.

Waste our money, don't solve ANYTHING...campaign for 2012 at the expense of the American people.

At this point I almost hope the Mayans are right.....BOOM

  • 15 votes
#1.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:14 PM EST
mgbirish

If I never see McConnell's stupid weasel face again it will be too soon.

Well learn to get used to it...and Boehner's to, they aren't going anywhere!

Time will tell, I'm not a betting man, however............

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:15 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Where are the jobs? Ask Queen Nancy, Dirty harry and King Obama...they are still in power, ya know. But come Jan - 1/3 of the government will be controlled by the Rep. - better get used to it and I do hope they figure out how to fix this monstrosity of a bill!

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:31 PM EST
socialjustice

Jobs for the people? Is that what you voted for? Republicans who say the Government can't create jobs? Republicans who say it's not the government's responsibility if you have jobs or not?

The Bush Tax cuts did not help our economy the last decade. The Bush tax cuts didn't even begin to pay for the lower wages, higher costs of energy, health care, and education.

The Bush tax cuts didn't create the jobs we need to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure of roads, bridges, and levees.

The Bush tax cuts didn't weatherize older homes to make them more energy efficient, lowering energy costs for renters and home owners alike.

The Bush tax cuts didn't make us more energy independent with solar power, wind power, algae bio-diesel, and switch-grass ethanol.

America could be growing at the rate of China, if we had the political will and wisdom that China's government has to invest in building a better future instead of giving more tax cuts to the wealthy so they can buy more debt so we can owe them more interest each year.

  • 13 votes
#1.7 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:32 PM EST
landspirit

Title should be GOP Investigators move to eliminate anything in the health care bill that is good for the people but bad for the insurance companies and corporations. In other words they are doing just what the people voted for them wanted them to do ( I guess) HURT THEM, HURT OUR COUNTRY and KEEP CHILDREN VERY ILL without any hope of health care. Yea wow. That was sure worth voting for. The Repubs will stab people in the back who voted for them, make sure the people stay poor and then laugh at them.

  • 7 votes
#1.8 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:35 PM EST
David-1830107

Jees you mean they actually want to read it? Wow imagine that. Least they want to read the damn thing. Im ok with this since Dems didnt.

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:50 PM EST
janice22

Where are the JOBS for the people?

Maybe if businesses didn't feel so threatened by government health cost mandates they would be more willing to hire people? Just one factor.

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:00 PM EST
CuriousG

vol fan in chatt, tn,

If the Regressives are spending their time investigating the Health Care Bill, they won't have time to work on jobs.

What exactly do you think is broken in the bill?

If you or they have any questions about it, you might want to start here http://www.healthcare.gov/

  • 4 votes
#1.11 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:04 PM EST
logdump

At this point I almost hope the Mayans are right.....BOOM

Only if it exterminates only Republicans.

Funny thing about this article is the HC bill is blamed on Obama. He just got Congress to pass a law that has been bounced around for almost 20 years. Close to half of this bill is pure Republican and a lot of it left wing progressives wanted in it were tossed to get it to pass. So Mitch how cn you and your band of idiots not know whats in it?

I hope you people who voted for these people now realize you made one helluva a mistake. HC bill was like number 8 on the list of things people were concerned with and the majority that voted were Republicans. This is just a payoff for the the HC industry giving the Republicans all that money.

  • 4 votes
#1.12 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:22 PM EST
demmywemmy

Maybe if businesses didn't feel so threatened by government health cost mandates they would be more willing to hire people? Just one factor.

Source from a non-partisan website please.

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:29 PM EST
mgbirish

Where are the jobs? Ask Queen Nancy, Dirty harry and King Obama...they are still in power, ya know. But come Jan - 1/3 of the government will be controlled by the Rep. - better get used to it and I do hope they figure out how to fix this monstrosity of a bill!

You never cease to amaze us, with the BS you talk about, we know who killed the job bills, take a deep breath and tell yourself, I can't fool these libs, like the Beckster, Rush, O'Reilly, Coulter, Hannity, Bachman, Rove, both Bush's, Reagan, Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, Pence fooled me. You will be ok!

the only king this country has had was when GWB was annointed president in 2000, remember when they quit counting votes, then he said no one outside of the USA can help count "our " votes?

  • 5 votes
#1.14 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:34 PM EST
AZPADDY

We'll see how long the voters who voted these idiot criminals in wait till they realize their heros will do nothing but hound the president in a never ending campaign to regain the white house.

Nothing will be done to address the economy...they're doing fine. The rest of America can go to hell for all the G.O.P. cares.

  • 7 votes
#1.15 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 7:12 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Well for one we were lied to from start to finish about Obamacrapcare.

Then there is this for instance:

Obamacare: Supposedly to save us money and make healthcare cheaper. People tried to point out the FACT that it would do the opposite. This administration called the naysayers "liars." Yet nearly three dozen companies -- McDonald's among them -- will be allowed healthcare waivers in 2011 to keep medical coverage for their employees because it WOULD be too expensive for them.

The Obama administration has agreed to allow the waivers for McDonald's, Jack in the Box, and 28 other companies and insurers to help them maintain coverage they claim will be too expensive under the new healthcare law. McDonald's asked to excuse 115,000 workers; Jack in the Box, 1,130. The biggest waiver granted by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services was for the United Federation of Teachers Welfare Fund -- 351,000 people.

Bloomberg Business News quotes the CEO of a health policy consulting company who notes the timing of the agreement. "The big political issue here is the president promised no one would lose the coverage they've got," said Robert Laszewski of Health Policy and Strategy Associates. "Here we are a month before the election, and these companies represent one million people who would [otherwise] lose the coverage they've got."

Haislmaier adds the waivers are only intended for one year, and argues the administration is merely trying to "paper over the defects of the legislation" to get it off the headlines.

"They're in effect...creating really arbitrary government where you have to go ask permission to do something -- and you may or may not get it," he says, noting that that results in a lack of consistency from one time to another. "So if you get permission for one year, you may not get it for the next year," he adds.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=1199732

or maybe you can tell me what this has to do with healthcare?

Menu labeling.

Right to pump.

Postpartum depression.

Tanning tax

Your W-2. Changes are coming to your tax paperwork. Come next January, the W-2 you receive from your employer (if, hopefully, you have one) will include the cost of employer-provided health care you probably have not quantified before. This will become much more relevant in 2018, when people with the so-called high-cost “Cadillac” plans will have to start paying a hefty tax on it.

http://www.miller-mccune.com/politics/10-things-you-didnt-know-were-in-the-health-bill-12100/

or this:

http://riffenberg.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/required-tracking-of-gold-silver-purchases-in-health-care-bill/

or this purchases over $600.00 require a 1099:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/smallbusiness/1099_health_care_tax_change/

a tax on real estates purchases

  • 3 votes
#1.16 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 11:38 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

sorry, I did not get to finish:

real estate purchase tax in the healthcare bill:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2010/03/house-health-bill-.htm

a tax on medical devices:

Medical aid devices have gotten hit hard as well. They will see a 2.9% tax hike. Sorry if you have an artificial limb….you are screwed.

Let's not forget the massive expansion of government to "police" the tax returns of individuals to see who gets fined for not having mandated forced government insurance...some estimates are 17,000 new IRS agents to police all of that, plus the 1099's, plus the gold purchases (hmmm, wonder why they need to know THAT), plus the other additional taxes and fines in the monstrosity of this bill!

Anything else?

  • 2 votes
#1.17 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 11:54 PM EST
demmywemmy

Yes, dump Obamacare for socialized medicine.

  • 3 votes
#1.18 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:45 AM EST
AZPADDY

vol fan

Still running interference for the right?

vol: amongst all your fervor against what the right refers to as "Obamacare" (now "Obamacrapcare" as you call healthcare reform), you've apparently overlooked/forgotten/don't care why healthcare/insurance reform was initiated in the first place. take a look at this link. It may shake loose the memory of why reform was and is still needed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKI9be55N00

I hold no hope it will change your mind. I'm familiar with the unhinged attacks you're famous for against president Obama - in bold because I don't think you've ever referred to our president as anything but "Obama" or more often using an insulting personal slur.

Healthcare reform is here to stay. In 25 years it will be as much a part of American life as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, Unemployment insurance, onertime laws, child labor laws, etc. etc. etc.

Get used to it.

  • 4 votes
#1.19 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:55 AM EST
maximillio

Well for one we were lied to from start to finish about Obamacrapcare.

You're the liar, vol fan. YOU ARE THE LIAR.

  • 4 votes
#1.20 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:20 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

prove it, maxi! I have the facts - as just a few have been pointed out above and laid out for you. But sure, let's see what ya got. PROVE IT!!

Yeah, I have to admit you are right, AZPADDY. I don't like what this Prez is doing to our country, from the takeover of healthcare, to the takeover of car companies, mortgage institutes and banks (except their buddies...LOL), to the takeover of student loans, to the Obama "I am sorry to the world that we are sorry Americans" apology tour worldwide since 2008, to the integration of and ramping up of a "one world" globalization he is pushing for, to his appeasement of everything that is the antithesis of American ingenuity and exceptionalism, to the appeasement of countries who hate our founding principles and documents, to his apparent disdain of the average American citizen to the point of calling fellow Americans "enemies" (among others) because they don't vote a certain way - the way he wants.

Thankfully, more and more people are getting it and seeing this charlatan for what he is.

What horrible names have I called Obama? Maybe Obama? Obammy? BO? So what? I respect the office of the President, but Obama is an insult to it and had denigrated it to such an extent by his boorish behavior, that it may never hold the same esteem that it once did. Respect is earned, he hasn't earned mine. He is a divisive, egotistical, narcissistic, pathological lying delusional disgrace.

Phew, glad I got that out! And as an American, I can say that about the Prez..at least for now.

Calling somebody a liar is against the COH, btw. Should I report you?

  • 2 votes
#1.21 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:11 AM EST
AZPADDY

vol fan

"Unhinged".: Affected with madnes or insanity.

As in: His attacks against president Obama are unhinged.

Thanks for supporting my claim.

  • 1 vote
#1.22 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:47 PM EST
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AlphaDogReporter

This is not what these idiots were elected to do. However, if they want to make sure they lose power again in 2012, then by all means - knock themselves out wasting two years.

  • 11 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:15 PM EST
Linda412

At the rate they're going, they may not make it to 2012. What a group of idiots...

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:27 PM EST
onevoiceamongmany

They are doing this to make sure the Tea Party is on board. Without this face being presented the Tea Party would never sign on to a GOP agenda.

  • 7 votes
#2.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:44 PM EST
CuriousG

They're doing this because it helps them avoid doing anything substantial and gets them in front of the TV cameras attacking the 'Health Spending Bill', which is their new frame for the Health Care Bill. They'll continue to repeat that phrase ad-naseum, to instill the spending frame in the mind of the American people.

  • 4 votes
#2.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:12 PM EST
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clarke ong

Why didn't they just do all this stuff while the debate was going on? Now, they're going to be wasting taxpayer dollars because of their stupid political objectives.

  • 9 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:34 PM EST
Patriot 8888

Why didn't they just do all this stuff while the debate was going on?

Like the Dems would let them get a word in edgewise?

Speaking of taxpayer dollars, look at all the taxpayer dollars the Dems wasted pontificating this disaster.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:41 PM EST
clarke ong

They never entered the debate with ANY purpose to support even the general idea, and you know it. They were antagonistic towards even the idea of reform from the get-go. They did not support the idea of mandated coverage even though it was THEIR idea.

Give me a break.

  • 11 votes
#3.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:49 PM EST
trex-138069

Patriot 8888, Obama spent a full day with the Republican Congressional caucus, letting them get many words in. What they didn't manage to get in edgeways in the entire debate was a single constructive or helpful idea. Why should they? They wanted to kill the plan because they were afraid it was a political winner for Dems, and when they try to repeal it, they may find out that they were right. When it comes to programs that benefit them, the American people are not as dumb as they sometimes seem.

  • 13 votes
#3.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:54 PM EST
mgbirish

Like the Dems would let them get a word in edgewise?

Please, that is why we have a watered down version of what HCR should be, the Dems listened too much!! Shame on them!

  • 9 votes
#3.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:56 PM EST
maximillio

Like the Dems would let them get a word in edgewise?

Patriot, do you even pay attention to what really goes on? The bill was on the negotiating table for MONTHS. Particularly in the Senate Finance Committee. I will be very surprised if you can name the major players on that committee.

The GOP HAD THEIR CHANCE to weigh in on this bill, and what we got from them was fact-free bullshine. "Death panels," "they're going to kill Grandma," and "Keep your Government Off My Medicare" were the ignorant, fact-free things said about the HCR bill. The GOP had ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD and they stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, stalled, and stalled, dragging their feet and not giving A SINGLE INCH in negotiations, in fact, not EVEN NEGOTIATING AT ALL.

In an election system minus the corporate propaganda and outright lies of the GOP, you would know what was in the bill (it was easy enough to find out) and you wouldn't have all of these stupid lies stuffed into your ears instead of the facts about the bill, and if we had that open, honest discussion of the facts instead of a fictional bullshine network designed to distract easily-misled people, you would know that WE ALREADY HAD THIS DISCUSSION and the GOP OPTED TO HOLD THEIR BREATHS UNTIL THEY TURNED BLUE rather than talk about what issues pertained to the bill.

Do you have a pre-existing condition, Patriot? Do you think you will ever make a real serious claim on your junk health insurance? Because if you do, you're about to have the thin veneer of protection that the HCR bill managed to put over your coverage ripped off in order to make health insurance profitable for a handful of monopolies. I hope you're happy. 44,000 americans a year will continue to die due to inadequate healthcare, and many of those folks will have ACTUALY PAID FOR HEALTH INSURANCE which will be YANKED from under them the minute it actually threatens to undermine health insurance CEO bonuses.

But, of course, it's those bonuses that are more important than any moral or ethical framework for healthcare, so you're getting exactly what you begged for. TO BE SCREWED. Hope you're happy.

I will be sure to come back and post a detailed explanation the next time someone I know or am related to has to go through the hell of trying to actually USE the insurance policy they've paid thousands in premiums for. I will put YOU on the spot to answer why these things are acceptable or tolerable, as you have indicated with your obsequiousness to our corporate masters that nothing shall interfere with an insurance company's profits, not even a bad business model designed to defraud customers and leave them hanging when they require the company they purchased coverage from to ACTUALLY DELIVER ON THEIR PROMISES.

In any other business, this is known as theft. Guess it's OK with you, though.

  • 10 votes
#3.5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:03 PM EST
keepyourchange

Lol, if anything, the repubs will find that they have more support than they ever thought. This election was about the economy and healthcare. Even democrats were running on their opposition to the health care overhaul. Support for the bill has fallen over time and will continue to do so until its gone.

  • 4 votes
#3.6 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:04 PM EST
mgbirish

Speaking of taxpayer dollars, look at all the taxpayer dollars the Dems wasted pontificating this disaster.

Speaking of taxpayer dollars, look at all the taxpayer dollars the Rebublican will waste trying to repeal something they won't be able to do.

  • 8 votes
#3.7 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:06 PM EST
maximillio

Support for the bill has fallen over time

Let's say y'all manage to kill this bill. Highly unlikely, but let's say you do it.

14,000 Americans a month were losing health insurance before it was passed. Many due to pre-existing conditions, a giant moving target that insurance companies used to remove claimants from their system without ever honoring their obligation to pay on claims. I consider this stealing healthcare premiums, and a form of fraud. Legalized fraud is still fraud. The insurance you buy is mostly junk, and if you EVER have the nerve to actually get sick, you also will find out how useless your health care coverage is.

Support for the bill was lukewarm because the GOP and the Blue Dog caucus stripped all of the really progressive elements out of it; you know, the elements that would have forced health insurers to actually work for their premiums. Most Americans did not think the bill went FAR ENOUGH in reforming healthcare.

44,000 Americans a year were dying due to inadequate healthcare.

I ran the numbers a year or so ago on healthcare insurance. The results are appalling. At that moment, 15% or so of Americans were without health insurance. 14,000 were losing insurance daily. Given the rate of loss, and the rate of population growth, I estimated that in another 30 years, HALF of Americans would have no health insurance. Now I was unable to factor in how fast rising premium costs would also eject Americans from the rolls of the insured, because those premium costs are entirely fictional as far as I can tell. One year it can rise 20%, another 9%. Really, depends on how big a bonus the CEO wants as far as I can tell.

The other thing to keep in mind is at 15% uninsured, hospitals were buckling under the pressure of admitting non-paying customers to the ER when they used the famous "free healthcare" that the GOP told us we all had. Hospitals were closing down in record numbers, and I couldn't see the rate of uninsured getting much past say 20-25% without the accumulating failures of the healthcare system as a whole dragging it into the toilet. If nobody can pay for healthcare, nobody is paying for healthcare. It's not a self-sustaining industry, and it is absolutely not now nor ever was subject to the rules of "business" and the "Free market" that we're told are supposed to fix everything. Patients flat-out DO NOT GET the opportunity to make the kind of choices that would make healthcare or insurance a self-correcting industry, always lowering cost and increasing quality. In fact, the dynamic in healthcare insurance is exactly the opposite: constantly increasing costs balanced out by a rapidly deteriorating quality of service.

Doctors take an Hippocratic oath to help anyone in need, and the spectre of bodies piling up on the doorstep of the nation's ER facilities wouldn't last long before becoming a full-blown political clusterfuk.

Meaning, that if the GOP decides to "unfix" this problem now, they will GUARANTEE that the next wave of Healthcare Reform will be even more severe, and very likely a straight-up single payer system. I'd get behind that. Health insurance sucks. I utterly despise my insurer, and I think they are nothing more than a giant ponzi scheme. I'd be HAPPY AS A PIG IN SWILL to watch them be forcefully unemployed by a single-payer scheme, driven by a tsunami of public outrage.

Be careful what you wish for. The NEED to put a public health system in place in the US has been recognized for a century. The WILL to do so got strong enough in the 111th Congress to actually get a weak start at it.

Set us back to square one, and you are setting the stage for the growing, increasingly organized leftist movement in this country to make healthcare reform a stark choice in voters' minds: US (the working class) vs. THEM (the Corporations and their GOP enablers).

Whose side are you planning on being on?

  • 9 votes
#3.8 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:18 PM EST
clarke ong

For all their rants against "socialism" they sure seem intent on creating the exact conditions that bring it about maximillo.

You hit the nail on the head.

Maybe they should read about the Bolschevik revolution and the social conditions that created it.

Geez.

  • 6 votes
#3.9 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:24 PM EST
keepyourchange

I agree with you on the public option, but it should be managed by individual states. And nobodys arguing about the pre existing condition part of the bill. Paul ryans plan included that as well.

And its hard to argue that the gop are the insurance company's pals when the dems are making it a law that you MUST purchase a health insurance company's vproduct. What if I don't want to support insurance companies and buy their insurance? Do I have a choice?

  • 3 votes
#3.10 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:30 PM EST
maximillio

And nobodys arguing about the pre existing condition part of the bill.

Really? Why is your party leader Rush demonizing that part of the bill as ferociously as he can? He's already calling it "welfare." Seems you've failed to get your latest edition of Republican Talking Points. Better keep up.

And its hard to argue that the gop are the insurance company's pals when the dems are making it a law that you MUST purchase a health insurance company's vproduct. What if I don't want to support insurance companies and buy their insurance? Do I have a choice?

Your choice is to go to the ER and get "free" healthcare, and the resulting cost increases will be passed on to ME. So, yes. You have a choice. You can freeload off of all of the honest folks who pay healthcare premiums because we know we're going to use them someday.

Or, you can avoid getting sick, and if you DO get sick, have the decency to die quickly.

  • 6 votes
#3.11 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:40 PM EST
clarke ong

There may be a way to self insure keepyourchange. You might look into that. I believe that some companies do that.

  • 1 vote
#3.12 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:11 PM EST
logdump

Let the dummies proceed and if they win explain to 30 million American why they have to go broke seel their house or lose it to foreclosure because they do not have insurance they could have had if not for Republicans.

  • 4 votes
#3.13 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:25 PM EST
demmywemmy

I can't stand this health care bill, because it should eliminate insurance companies completely and be socialized medicine. Health care needs to become a right, just like every other civilized country.

  • 6 votes
#3.14 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:34 PM EST
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fronco

McConnell's agenda is to take out Obama and nothing else, he coudn't care less about the American people's health care.the republican health care agenda is death care to you and your family just like nazi Germany did,if your sick and the cost is to much consider yourself dead if your poor, if your rich you will live a good long life.

  • 7 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:45 PM EST
trex-138069

"Republicans plan to use the investigative powers of Congress to go after President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, and they're planning to plant as much disinformation as possible in the minds of consumers: Oh noes, it'll cost you your life savings, don't bother to check the actual figures, just be afraid!!!! You can't possibly keep the coverage you have, but only if you DO like it. Otherwise, of course."

FIFY

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:51 PM EST
PAUL-372271

if the Repubs would only invest a tenth of the energy and money they waste on this kind of @!$%# America would be a lot better off, but then again I forgot they are not against pissing billions and trillions away, they are against spending on Americans in America, but no price is to steep to kill brown people who have the resources they want to exploit, thanks for that fiscal responsibility Mitch, he is a real ASSet

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:59 PM EST
mgbirish

I'm glad I have good healthcare, becuase everytime I see McConnells face I get sick in my stomach!!

  • 8 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:01 PM EST
socialjustice

I hope you are in a State that has legalized Medical Marijuana.

It helps ease the pain of nausea due to Republicans.

  • 5 votes
#7.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:35 PM EST
PaPa23

Irish, I was just thinking this morning how Mitch, in my mind, is the perfect picture of a snob, an elitist looking down his nose at the commoners. Sickening.

  • 2 votes
#7.2 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:58 AM EST
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John-1894652

This Country is doomed, and you can thank the puppet masters of the republican party.

Corporations only care about making more money and republicans only care about getting more money. What a bunch of unpatriotic losers

  • 9 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:09 PM EST
Cyainchoich-2596054

I wish the President Obama had gone after Bush/Cheney/Rove, and company and had them investigated for treason and war crimes when he had the opportunity. I love Nancy Pelosi, but when she took impeachment of Bush off the table, I was really mad! I think that was a BIG mistake. Those war criminals need to be held accountable and punished. Now the Republicans will investigate all sorts of crap that amounts to nothing to stall and implant more doubts and fears in the minds of Americans. They will stop at nothing and they have no shame. Someone recently said, "When it comes to American politics, you can fool all the people all the time."

How sad.

  • 7 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:11 PM EST
socialjustice

Yes, I agree.

I don't want Nancy Pelosi leading the House because she didn't investigate the real war criminals.

Now, Cheney who was in Nixon's criminal regime, and Rumsfeld who was in Reagan's criminal regime, and all those other republican criminals that got away will be back in power thanks to the bigotry of Americans who prefer war to peace, who prefer a tax cut to prosperity.

  • 4 votes
#9.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:37 PM EST
Andy-827327

Cry me a river.

  • 2 votes
#9.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:41 PM EST
mgbirish

Cry me a river.

That's your best shot?

  • 6 votes
#9.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:48 PM EST
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keepyourchange

The first time those penalty notices go out in the mail for not having insurance, a lot of ppl will quickly change their mind on the bill. When grandma goes to buy her new walker or other household medical equipment and sees higher taxes, she will change her mind. The first company to drop its health care plan due to higher costs (mcdonalds, verizon, home depot, cvs, etc) all those workers will change their minds. The first person to be turned down for a procedure because it is too expensive will quickly change their mind.

  • 1 vote
Reply#10 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:11 PM EST
mgbirish

Damn, my taxes have gone up and unfortunately I have a GOP governor. If I owe a bill I pay it. Bottom line should be. like any insurance, the more you have paying in the cheaper it should be. Having stated that, what we are seeing now is insurance companies bending us over one last time! They want to be sure their CEO's keep getting those multi-million dollar per year bonuses for doing nothing, while their middle class, blue collar workers do all the work. And I bet the workers pay is stagnant at the least!

  • 7 votes
#10.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:31 PM EST
socialjustice

Yea, that's why the rest of the civilized world has a universal health care plan, because the first time they show up for an operation they don't have to go bankrupt, or die without health care due to corporate death panels and financial discrimination.

We (who have health care) are already paying twice as much for health care as other civilized nations just so corporations can profit off of denying 50 million people health care.

You claim you don't want to pay for some one elses health care, but you have no problem with inriching health insurance corporations who do not provide any health care but only skim money off the top? That is inhumane and stupid.

If we want to cut costs in the current health care plan, we need to adopt single-payer and remove the for profit blood sucking insurance companies who don't provide health care at all.

America is the only civilized country that even allows for-profit health insurance corporations for primary care.

Those who are arguing for the capitalist health care system are arguing to pay extortion fees to health insurance companies who do not provide health care - they only get between you and the doctor and skim money off the top!

  • 8 votes
#10.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:43 PM EST
Brian-497171

Yea, that's why the rest of the civilized world has a universal health care plan, because the first time they show up for an operation they don't have to go bankrupt, or die without health care due to corporate death panels and financial discrimination.

Spot on.

  • 4 votes
#10.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:48 PM EST
Patriot 8888

Patriot, do you even pay attention to what really goes on? The bill was on the negotiating table for MONTHS. Particularly in the Senate Finance Committee. I will be very surprised if you can name the major players on that committee.

Maximillio - It should have stayed in the committee. What was actually produced was an embarassment to the United States legislature and constitution. That said, I see you love to employ the Dem strategy of deny, deflect or denigrate. Let's see, which is it today? You just love parroting those Dem talking points without any rational argument being made.

I will be very surprised if you can name the major players on that committee.

There's the Denigrate.

The GOP HAD THEIR CHANCE to weigh in on this bill, and what we got from them was fact-free bullshine

There's the Deny. Just because you did not like the response is not reason to deny the suggestions made (if you really want to call a one day press junket a chance to respond).

Do you have a pre-existing condition, Patriot? Do you think you will ever make a real serious claim on your junk health insurance? Because if you do, you're about to have the thin veneer of protection that the HCR bill managed to put over your coverage ripped off in order to make health insurance profitable for a handful of monopolies

There's the deflect. This is not about me and don't drag my personal situation into the discussion. Stick to the topic at hand. Besides, we did not need 2400 pages to include preexisting conditions as a mandate in a health care policy. A half-page regulation on insurance companies would have sufficed.

Congrats Maximillio - you have hit the Trifecta of Democratic Talking BS - all in one post!

  • 3 votes
#10.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:29 PM EST
logdump

The penalty is you do not get a deduction big friggin deal same as it is in Mass. where that part of the bill came from and it was a Republican idea and a good one. It is a trade off. You get the right to get insurance even if you have a preexisting condition. You have the right to switch insurances and not have to go through the waiting period if you have a preexisting condition. You get a tax break if you do have insurance. Were it not mandatory that you have insurance people would not buy any and wait until they were diagnosed or fall back on the safety net.

Attacking one part without looking at the big picture is lame and shows bad debating skills or one of those fear spreaders. Which are you.

  • 3 votes
#10.5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:33 PM EST
mgbirish

It should have stayed in the committee.

It did for how long? Please it would still be there if action wasn't taken.

  • 4 votes
#10.6 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:51 PM EST
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JB-1123320

The don't give a fat rats a$$ about jobs. They never have.

They want to spend the next two years spending tax payer money investigating this and that instead of doing anything to help the unemployed, the poor and the middle class.

I guess you get what you vote for.

  • 9 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:16 PM EST
socialjustice

We are living off slavery today.

Slavery in China, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia, and other low wage undemocratic countries who our communist-hating republicans hypocritically ship our jobs too and destroy the American middle class.

  • 6 votes
#11.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:47 PM EST
mgbirish

We are living off slavery today.

Slavery in China, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia, and other low wage undemocratic countries who our communist-hating republicans hypocritically ship our jobs too and destroy the American middle class.

Couple the GOP with the US Chamber of Commerce, who holds seminars with small businesses on how to "move your business to China and make more money", we are @!$%#ed. When the GOP Viners lose their jobs, please report back and tell me when I voted GOP it was the right thing to do!

  • 5 votes
#11.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:57 PM EST
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socialjustice

The Republican bigot version of Health Care is the Drug War that has made America the World's Largest Per capita prison population. In 1980 there were 500,000 people in prisons and jails and 1.8 million on probation or parole. Now, there are 2,500,000 people in prisons and jails, more African American males in prison than in college, and there are over 8 million people on probation and parole, most of whom can't vote due to disenfranchisement laws.

Republican health care, in the form of the War on Drugs, costs 45 billion on the Federal Level in direct costs; and 35 billion in lost potential revenue if these drugs were reasonably regulated and taxed. 80 billion a year for the war on drugs.

80 billion a year for the tax cuts for the top 2%.

80 billion a year for the Iraq War.

250 billion a year for the Republican national debt, due to the tax cuts for the wealthy who spent their tax cuts buying the debt.

500 billion dollars a year for Republican economic stupidity!

30,000 die each year on America's roads. 3 million are injured on America's roads. Talk about a health care crisis! Car wrecks are the leading preventable cause of the death of children. The greatest terrorist threat you will face is driving on America's roads.

Drive Safe, drive healthy, don't be a speeding and tailgaiting terrorist.

  • 3 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:24 PM EST
socialjustice

We had Dr jekyll, now we have Mr hyde.

What a country!

  • 3 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:27 PM EST
Brian-497171

So, they railed against Obama for focusing on healthcare instead of jobs.

And the first thing they do with their renewed power is to focus on healthcare instead of jobs?

This has stopped being funny.

  • 6 votes
Reply#14 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:29 PM EST
socialjustice

Touche!

  • 4 votes
#14.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:48 PM EST
logdump

What they do not understand is health care is related to job growth.

  • 2 votes
#14.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:34 PM EST
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Rosebud2010

Sure, leave the unemployed and poverty stricken and their families with their tail hanging out in the wind. I am quite sure a career politician like McConnel and his family have doctors that come to them.

  • 2 votes
Reply#15 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:15 PM EST
voxrationis

Sickening. They no longer even hold the pretense of compassionate conservatism. I wish McConnell knew someone with no insurance and a pre-existing condition who would only become sicker without the proper care and medications. We already know how private industry treats such individuals. Of course McConnell and his family have no such worries. Nor do any of these other pieces of filth who will lead this effort. Do I sound angry? If I could get any of them to step into a ring or cage with me I would legally beat them to a pulp and enjoy every second of it. That's because I have someone very near and dear to me in the condition I stated above and I must spend huge amounts to ensure they get the care they need. And I don't make a quarter million a year or hold political office. If you raised the taxes on the wealthiest 1% even five percent we could afford such coverage for the truly underpriviledged. Our priorities are so screwed up. They have set out to destroy a President and a party and their funding is virtually endless. As I have asked before many times: When has a Far Right government ever served the needs of the average citizen? NEVER, of course that is the final and only answer.

These people, who will insure that the markets are as de-regulated as possible and push for continued cuts for the ultra wealthy are SCUM! How stupid were the people who voted for them and earn less than $250,000 a year? That word has to be used. So does revolting, repulsive, and despicable.

  • 1 vote
Reply#16 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:17 PM EST
logdump

They owe so many people by the time they get around to trying to help the patient he will have been cremated

  • 2 votes
#16.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:35 PM EST
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oldman247

same old story the rich get richer and the poor get poorer ,money allways talks

  • 2 votes
Reply#17 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:20 PM EST
Skidude

First of all the president has very little power to create jobs. Second of all, we are supposed to be out of the recession, but you would never know it. Why didn't the GOP investigate the bill when it was being created? They were invited to the meetings, they chose not to participate. Eventually their constituents who they are supposed to serve will call them out, when they discover that their elected congressmen are not doing any work. You were elected, now get to work. You can't B.S. yourselves out of this. Preventing people from getting health insurance does not count as work, it's called obstruction. Maybe you can pass a bill that takes health insurance away from congressmen.

  • 2 votes
Reply#18 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:20 PM EST
logdump

Even if we are technically out of the recession jobs will always be the last thing to recover. we are far to involved in the NWO and part of our recovery is based on places like Greece the Eu and Japan and China.

Answer is for the rich clowns to open up the thing that made us great manufacturing. My son works at a plant that has 5 shifts and they are so busy he can get all the overtime he wants. They run three regular shifts and two twelve hour shifts and can barely keep up.

  • 1 vote
#18.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:40 PM EST
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fritz-1324846

Every time the human-turtle hybrid opens his mouth, I just cringe. It's funny how tearing down a law that prevents insurance companies from treating the sick unfairly is his idea of oversight. I guess it's only oversight if you are defending the insurance companies from BIG GUVAMENT UNCLE SAM.

  • 2 votes
Reply#19 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:25 PM EST
fritz-1324846

I just have to add...to anyone who believes that this is for the good of the country (protecting the taxpayer...blah blah blah) you're waaay wrong. This is pure politics and self interest.

  • 2 votes
#19.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:31 PM EST
Patriot 8888

We don't need 2400 pages to implement government oversight. A half-page of mandated insurance company regulations would have sufficed.

  • 2 votes
#19.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:32 PM EST
logdump

Lose the name you aint one

  • 3 votes
#19.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:41 PM EST
fritz-1324846

We don't need 2400 pages to implement government oversight. A half-page of mandated insurance company regulations would have sufficed.

LOL! So you're saying that half a page of government mandates would be enough to cover every intricacy of the entire health care system? Lemme guess..you're definately not a lawyer.

  • 3 votes
#19.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:43 PM EST
mgbirish

fritz, you need to start accepting friends, I like your style!!!

  • 3 votes
#19.5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 7:17 PM EST
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hennyjackDeleted
Refuseto get it

I should think that we will finally be getting the transparency in government that we were promised two long corrupted years ago. The secret and shadowy regime we have been living under is about to have some light shined on it. Is it any wonder that the Progressives aren't happy about that? The Progressives yearn for an econmy and government like Communist China, omitting the face that the poor in that country are slaves to the wealthy. The Progressives demonize the very people in our nation who supply our jobs, while at the same time worshiping George Soros, one of the most richest men in the world who fancies himself God, and is bent on destroying America. But Americans have awaken, and the likes of George Soros and his minions are not welcome meddling in governing our Country. George Soros should also be investigated, tried for treason, his citizenship ceased from him, and bodily thrown out of America. Instead of brooding and sniveling ungraciously about the success and prosperity of hard working Americans we should be looking at the truly villainous creatures in the world, like George Soros.

    Reply#21 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:43 PM EST
    CuriousG

    Refuseto get it,

    You should be ecstatic, since we have more transparency into our federal government than ever.

    Here are a few of the sites for you to keep tabs on your government. Something the last administration only gave lip service to.

    http://www.usaspending.gov/

    http://www.recovery.gov/

    http://www.usa.gov/

    • 2 votes
    #21.1 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:26 PM EST
    Refuseto get it

    Why should I visit any links that are owned and paid for by Goerge Soros? They would probably infect my computer.

      #21.2 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:53 PM EST
      onevoiceamongmany

      You can lead a horse to water but you can't force him to drink... strictly following party lines blinds.

      • 3 votes
      #21.3 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:29 PM EST
      CuriousG

      You actually believe Soros owns those government websites?

      You really do Refuseto get it.

      • 2 votes
      #21.4 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:13 PM EST
      Refuseto get it

      Suite yourself, bury that head in the sand a little deeper. OR do a little research on that dude. I care not. Everyobody has stopped listening to you Progressives anyway.

        #21.5 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:19 PM EST
        CuriousG

        Sorry, I have done the research, and even posted some links for you.

        You're actually going to have to get out of your comfort zone and do a little work yourself.

        It would seem if you've stopped listening to progressives, you've stopped listening to the truth, then.

        What is it you think I've got my head buried in the sand about?

        • 2 votes
        #21.6 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:32 PM EST
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