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Illegal immigrant found guilty of license offense

Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:17 PM EST
us-news, us, immigration, student
Kate Brumback, Associated Press
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<p>Jessica Colotl confers with her attorneys, Jerome Lee, left,  and Christopher Taylor before jury selection in Marietta, Ga. on Thursday, Nov. 11, 2010.   Colotl pleaded not guilty to misdemeanor charges of impeding the flow of traffic and driving without a license. Police stopped the 22-year-old student at Kennesaw State University for a traffic violation in March. Cobb authorities turned her over to federal immigration officials after learning she was in the country illegally. She was 11 when her parents crossed the border with her from Mexico. (AP Photo/Atlanta Journal & Constitution, Bob Andres)</p>

Jessica Colotl confers with her attorneys, Jerome Lee, left, and Christopher Taylor before jury selection in Marietta, Ga. on Thursday, Nov. 11, 2010. Colotl pleaded not guilty to misdemeanor charges of impeding the flow of traffic and driving without a license. Police stopped the 22-year-old student at Kennesaw State University for a traffic violation in March. Cobb authorities turned her over to federal immigration officials after learning she was in the country illegally. She was 11 when her parents crossed the border with her from Mexico. (AP Photo/Atlanta Journal & Constitution, Bob Andres)

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MARIETTA — An illegal immigrant college student whose arrest for a minor traffic violation touched off a wider immigration debate was found guilty Thursday in a suburban Atlanta court of driving without a license. But jurors acquitted the 22-year-old woman of a second charge arising from a campus traffic stop last March.

Jurors in Cobb County found Jessica Colotl guilty of driving without a license after about 30 minutes of deliberations. They acquitted her of a second charge of impeding the flow of traffic stemming from the stop.

"I don't agree with it, but I have to follow the verdict," Colotl said.

Defense Attorney Jerome Lee said Colotl will appeal the guilty verdict.

Police at Kennesaw State University northwest of Atlanta stopped the political science major March 29 in a car on a campus parking lot. There was little dispute Thursday over facts as prosecutors and Colotl's defense both agreed she was in the driver's seat and didn't present a valid license at the time.

After briefly detaining her, Cobb authorities turned her over to federal immigration officials once they learned she was in the country illegally. She was 11 when her parents had crossed the border with her from Mexico.

Colotl spent 37 days in immigration detention but U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials subsequently agreed to delay action on Colotl's case for a year while she completes her studies.

Colotl told reporters before testimony began that she plans to graduate in the spring and wants to stay in the United States. "I've grown up in this country, and I've adopted all the American values," she said, calling herself "an American without papers."

Colotl's case called attention to the issue of illegal immigrants attending state universities and colleges in Georgia and the nation. The state Board of Regents has since appointed a special committee to examine the issue and voted last month to adopt stricter rules governing illegal immigrant students.

Judge Kathryn Tanksley set sentencing for Monday.

Driving without a license carries a minimum sentence of 48 hours in jail, but Colotl is expected to receive credit for 45 hours she already served. Colotl's lawyers, upon filing an appeal, said they would take steps that could delay sentencing if the judge consents.

A county solicitor, Rachel Bearman, said she was pleased with the verdict.

Colotl is among hundreds of thousands of young people who have been brought into the U.S. illegally by their parents After her border crossing at 11, she eventually graduated from high school in Georgia and entered Kennesaw State University in 2006, joining a sorority.

Following her arrest, she received backing from civil liberties and immigration rights groups and told reporters she hoped her ordeal would help persuade leaders to work for an overhaul of the country's immigration laws.

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snarky68

Sorry,this is an insult to those immigrants that went through the process and became citizens. She knew she was in the country illegally and her response was....

she said, calling herself "an American without papers."

sorry...no birth certificate, no green card, no student visa, no American!

Not to mention if she lied on her college application about her citizenship status.

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:44 PM EST
april-1023405

Agreed - and on top of everything you said -

"I don't agree with it, but I have to follow the verdict,"

Evidently she hasn't been paying attention in any of the classes while here illegally in the country. She broke the law.

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:59 PM EST
snarky68

She broke the law.

Plain and simple...no questions to ask...

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:17 PM EST
Ix chel

april, snarky, how did ´she´ break the law by entering? It was her parents that brought her when she was too young to consent to coming to the US...and she was raised in the US. She didn´t break any laws related to immigration..she is a civil violation because of continued presence, a civil violation, not a criminal one.

In Georgia, she didn´t lie on her college application because it doesn´t ask you if you are a US citizen or not..it asks you if you are a resident of Georgia. I know that is where I went to a University.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:53 AM EST
ladogg

Ix chel - once she was old enough to understand, don't you think she should have gone through the process to become a legal citizen ??

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:05 AM EST
snarky68

ladogg EXACTLY!! She openly admitted she was here illegally. As an adult she should have at least applied for a student visa!
lx chel

She didn´t break any laws related to immigration.

Ummm... she has no birth certificate,no green card no student visa....she is here ilegally!

I know that is where I went to a University.

You went to the SAME university as she did?

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:30 AM EST
Ix chel

ladogg, once you are in the country illegally there is no way you can go through the process to become a legal citizen, the problem for Mexicans is there is very little they can do until they finish college to become legal immigrants or even citizens. Once she finishes her college she can return to Mexico, wait the exclusion period(yes there is an exclusion period which is unfair for kids that had no control over their situation) and reapply. Unfortunately unless they get an expensive attorney and a waiver there is no way to get around the 10 years you will be excluded..then you apply and wait another 10 years if not more...that is why immigration law needs to be reformed and some accountability for the time frames on approval needs to be reviewed.

Snarky you only can apply for a student visa if you have never been living in the US and are in your foreign country of residence and don´t have an exclusionary period you are subject to..she doesn´t qualify for it, because her parents brought her illegally.

No, I didn´t go to the same University, but the universities in Georgia have the same requirements as they are listed by the state. The only place you have to list your citizenship status is when you file for financial aid, loans, etc. She doesn´t have any loans or aid so obviously she didn´t lie about her status as a non citizen...if she had lied she would have had Hope grant, scholarship and she would have had pell grant and student loans. She is in Kennesaw University, I went to a University in University Center in Atlanta, Georgia.

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:19 AM EST
snarky68

lx chel

she is here illegally...which is a crime....end of story.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:22 AM EST
Ix chel

No Snarky illegal presence is not a crime, it is an administrative, civil violation...read up on the law some because if you think that a crime is illegal presence then perhaps you can explain why it is executed in an administrative and not a criminal court?

http://site-press.com/appeals-insider/appeal-news/illegal-presence-in-the-usa-not-a-crime-court-says-does-this-make-a-mockery-of-our-immigration-laws/

The judge said he could not give probation after a plea bargain because of his immigration status, so he sentenced him to one year year in jail.

But on appeal, a three judge panel threw out the sentence based on an apparent contradiction in U.S. law. While it is illegal to enter the country without the proper documents and permissions, it is not necessarily illegal to be in the country,

While congress had criminalized the illegal entry into the USA it has not made the continued presence of a illegal alien in the USA a crime unless the illegal alien has previously been deported

http://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000781

Illegal presence is not and has never been a crime.

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:28 AM EST
snarky68

it is illegal to enter the country without the proper documents and permissions,

From your first link. She does not have the proper paperwork to be in the country legally, she doesnt even have a drivers license.
Your second link had nothing to do with entering the country illegally, it had to do with overstaying your visa.

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:01 PM EST
snarky68

Try this
http://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000756

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:06 PM EST
Ix chel

Actually it has to do with both or are you arguing that those who are visa overstayers aren´t illegal immigrants? Did you know that HALF of all illegal immigrants overstayed a visa? Bet you didn´t...in immigration law..illegal presence, which is what has happened here in her case is that of a civil offense, not a criminal one. Don´t believe me call ICE and ask them.

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:47 PM EST
snarky68

lx chel,

are you arguing that those who are visa overstayers aren´t illegal immigrants?

I never said that and visa violations is not the topic of this article. This woman never had the correct paperwork to begin with.

Did you know that HALF of all illegal immigrants overstayed a visa?

Again off topic, she never had a visa.
Did you go to my link? You keep telling me to read yet:

"Illegal immigration takes several forms, four of which are the most common:

1. Undocumented/unauthorized entrants: These are nationals of one state who enter another state clandestinely. Most such entrants cross land borders, but sea routes are also employed regularly, and wherever inspection regimes are permeable, so are air routes. In all instances, the entrant manages to avoid detection and hence, inspection...

Which is what she openly admitted her family did 11 years ago.
Tell you what...is you symphathize with those that are undocumented, please post your state and town so they can go to this haven. Have a great weekend:)

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:56 AM EST
Ix chel

I never said that and visa violations is not the topic of this article. This woman never had the correct paperwork to begin with.

Yet, legally she is in the same category as a visa overstayer because when the act of coming to the country happened she was too young to control the act of her parents legally..so she had no legal obligations nor was she bound by the law because of her AGE...so illegal presence is for her exactly as it is for a visa overstayer...

Why would I go to your link it doesn´t give me the law...I gave you the law did you read it?

  • 1 vote
#1.13 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:03 PM EST
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BUSHWACKER01

no amnesty, ever, make an example of her, deport her and her parents , you do not reward bad behavior.

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:40 PM EST
amik72

<p></p>Wow, are you KIDDING me? What is an 11 year old CHILD supposed to do if their parents are leaving for another country? Refuse to go with them? How on EARTH is this her fault? Having grown up here from a young age, as MANY undocumented immigrants have done, she practically knows no other country. She has grown up here, adopted American values and lifestyles, and you want to send her back to a country she barely knows?

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:08 AM EST
ladogg

amik72 - she should take this time to get what ever she needs to remain an American citizen.

she has been given a second chance to get it right.

    #2.2 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:07 AM EST
    BUSHWACKER01

    shes known all this time she was illegal, and now she wants us to feel sorry for her ? don't think so, t's not the US's fault either, if she or you want to blame someone blame her parent's but don't expect me to feel sorry for any of the illegal anchor babies.

    send all illegals and their anchor kids back to whereever they came from.

    • 1 vote
    #2.3 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:30 AM EST
    Ix chel

    Bush, and precisely what was she supposed to do about it? Once you are in the country illegally you are damned if you do damned if you don´t..there is no process to become legal as a resident, visa holder or otherwise if you have been illegally present, that is what the Dream act is about...dealing with folks who had no control over their destiny because their parents caused them to be excluded from applying for legal status..that is what the 10 year exclusion is..it excludes you for that long if you have been in the country over a year...clearly she has and she clearly would have not had control over that at the age of 11 when she was brought here or at 12 when she hit the 1 year period.

    • 3 votes
    #2.4 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:25 AM EST
    gmross

    This is why the Dream Act would be a good thing.

    • 2 votes
    #2.5 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:04 AM EST
    Ix chel

    exactly gmross.

    • 1 vote
    #2.6 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:22 AM EST
    amik72

    Yes! Support the Dream Act!!

    • 2 votes
    #2.7 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:18 PM EST
    KnightTemplar

    amik72 wrote:

    <p></p>Wow, are you KIDDING me? What is an 11 year old CHILD supposed to do if their parents are leaving for another country? Refuse to go with them? How on EARTH is this her fault? Having grown up here from a young age, as MANY undocumented immigrants have done, she practically knows no other country. She has grown up here, adopted American values and lifestyles, and you want to send her back to a country she barely knows?

    Her parents can teach her about her "home" country when they get there.

    • 1 vote
    #2.8 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:26 AM EST
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    james-2380631

    ain't this just more fuel to the fire!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#3 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:02 PM EST
    jdl-28

    She is breaking our laws also lie to get in school, you can not trust anyone like her deport period. But yet our system is going to allow her to finish school and in one year she will have more fake paper and another name and they won't fine her.

    Yes as she said she is a American but have no respect for us or our country they should also go fine her parent and deport them. I am sure they are living right in the town.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#4 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:55 PM EST
    Santino42

    She is breaking our laws also lie to get in school

    How do you know that? According to others here (see 1.3) that is simply not true.

    you can not trust anyone like her deport period

    LOL...so you actually know this woman?

    Yes as she said she is a American but have no respect for us or our country

    Because her parents took her over the border when she was a child?

    • 3 votes
    #4.1 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:26 AM EST
    gmross

    Santino I agree with you, but you will never convence this guy, check his english, he never made it past the eighth grade.

    • 1 vote
    #4.2 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:47 AM EST
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    DEATHNELL J.

    That's right, she's ILLEGAL and therefore a piece of subhuman trash!!! She should be tattooed and gassed...final solution!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:37 AM EST
    Ix chel

    nevermind she had no choice in the matter eh Deathnell..yes I know you were being sarcastic, but some folks here on the vine might think those things a legitimate idea.

    • 3 votes
    #5.1 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:54 AM EST
    DEATHNELL J.

    It's funny how "nobody" show'd "any" disagreement to my post!!! Leads me to think that there are DEFINATELY folks out there that "would" legitimize the idea!! Amazing and sickening.....!!!

    • 2 votes
    #5.2 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:47 AM EST
    snarky68

    It's funny how "nobody" show'd "any" disagreement to my post!!!

    More like nobody is taking you seriously.....

    • 2 votes
    #5.3 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:39 AM EST
    BUSHWACKER01

    deathnell- I'll bite , what do you think should be done? let all illegals bring their kids here so we can feel sorry for the poor kids who were brought against their will? so where does this stop, first we give citiznship to the ones who are born here , now you want to give citizenship to the ones who were brought here? hell why not just let them all come over and we'll just print up citizen papers with fill in the blanks, so everybody feels good for the poor illegals, aint gonna happen ace.

    send all illegals and their anchor kids back.

    • 3 votes
    #5.4 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:39 AM EST
    Ix chel

    No Bushwacker, but would you put a child in prison because their parent commits a crime? That is what you want people to do to these kids, punish them for their parents misdeed, one that is civil in nature anyway.

    • 1 vote
    #5.5 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:26 AM EST
    BUSHWACKER01

    lx chel- how bout they just stay on their side of the border, wouldn't that solve the problem ? and before you start with "they just want a better life for their children" crap, we all want better for our children , but we don't break the law, whether it's criminal or civil , to do it and by your comment about it being a civil law, do you suggest that it's ok to break the law as long as it's only a civil law ? all laws need to be obeyed , we as a civilized nation hold those laws sacrosanct , we do not get to choose which laws we want to obey, so yes put them with their parents in a holding cell , until they can be deported.

    • 3 votes
    #5.6 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:17 AM EST
    Ix chel

    11 year olds don´t have that choice Bushwacker..so no it wouldn´t solve the problem...and that is an endless pipe dream until the economic situation and drug war are solved...and yes they want a better life for thier children...the woman is in college...you don´t speed? Is that what you are saying? You have never violated any administrative or civil laws ever? Hmmm honesty now...if the nation holds the laws even speeding and jaywalking as sacred why do so many Americans violate those laws? In fact I bet the number is close to 100% of drivers having violated the speed laws...whether by going to slow or going to fast.

    • 1 vote
    #5.7 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:24 AM EST
    BUSHWACKER01

    lx chel- yes , but when we break the law and we are caught , we pay the price, are you saying illegals shouldn't ? that it's ok, they just didn't know that what they were doing was wrong ? look, you have two towns in mexico who have women as police chiefs, what's wrong with the men in those towns? are their no real men in those towns ? and if I go to mexico and break a civil law is mexico going to tell me it's ok, you just didn't know it was a law ? no-way, I don't care how old or young you are, this is the US are laws are not to be broken, and what if one of these anchor kids grows up and decides to blow up the school he was in because he couldn't get a free ride to college , would that be ok for you, we have no idea who these illegals are , or what diseases they may have or what hate they may have for legal US citizens. you don't get it this is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not the united states of mehico. they should stay in their own country and fix it just like those women are doing, give me a break, all the so called men in those towns are nothing more than cowards who would let a women do their jobs, and these are the kind of people you think we should allow to come here uninvited, aint gonna happen ace.

    • 3 votes
    #5.8 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:39 AM EST
    Ix chel

    Bushwacker, people aren´t always caught and you aren´t always presumed guilty...that is why you go before a court..you are asking we judge a person guilty before they go before a court.

    What is wrong with a woman being police chief? Is there something wrong that a woman is not qualified in your opinion to be a police chief? Actually usually under civil law in Mexico you pay a fine and go about your way...what if we fine her say $2000 and let her go about her way?

    If the anchor kids grows up? I suggest you go to my profile..my son, a soldier in Afghanistan is what you want to define as an anchor kid that grew up...his father, who died, was not a legal immigrant. Yet, he is a US citizen and is putting his life on the line for you. So you suggesting that he is a terrorist because of his birth you might want to rethink that a bit.

    So not only do you think that Mexicans are beneath you you also think women are beneath you as well?

    • 3 votes
    #5.9 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:27 AM EST
    BUSHWACKER01

    lx chel- get off your high horse, I served , so that dog won't hunt, tell your son we thank him for his service , and I really mean that, my oldest daughter is married to a latino , and she has 3 beautiful girls who I love very much, so your assumption that I don't like mexicans is full of crap, what I and my son in law don't like are the illegal aliens, who think it's ok to break whatever laws they feel are beneath them, let me give you some truth, IT"S NOT UP TO THEM IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE HERE , IT"S OUR CHOICE WHETHER WE WANT THEM HERE, that's why we have those things called laws, and as far as a woman being a police chief, there is nothing wrong with it, but according to the news there wasn't a man in those towns who wanted the job, why ? because they were afraid, that's why, when a woman has more gut's than a man then you can't call that person a man, they are all parasites and criminals, our immigration laws are the most generouse in the world, can mexico say the same ? and what about kids who are caught on their southern border, are they allowed to stay in mexico to go to school and recieve all the entitlements that we give all the illegals who jump our borders ? or does mexico throw them back .

    • 1 vote
    #5.10 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:45 AM EST
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    ladogg

    you are being harsh DEATHNELL J. - but i will bet you are baiting !! are you living up to the name ??

    • 1 vote
    Reply#6 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:15 AM EST
    DEATHNELL J.

    Yes, yes and yes.....!

    • 1 vote
    #6.1 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:43 PM EST
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    KnightTemplar

    Been here eleven years and didn't bother to get a driver's license? I guess you break one law by being here, so what's another?

    Just do what you want, if you're caught, they will let you go. After all, you're just trying to make a better life for yourself - right?

    • 2 votes
    Reply#8 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:15 AM EST
    Ix chel

    I believe she had a Mexican driver´s license in Georgia they don´t accept it. I may be wrong, but that is what I had read in the local paper. Yes, she has been given a suspension of deportation..that was the decision made by DHS.

    • 1 vote
    #8.1 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:18 AM EST
    KnightTemplar

    lx chel wrote:

    I believe she had a Mexican driver´s license in Georgia they don´t accept it. I may be wrong, but that is what I had read in the local paper. Yes, she has been given a suspension of deportation..that was the decision made by DHS.

    If she was brought to this country when she was 11 years old, how did she get a mexican drivers license? Does Mexico issue licenses to 11 year olds?

    • 2 votes
    #8.2 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:22 AM EST
    Ix chel

    KnightTemplar, they can get them from the Mexican consulate in Atlanta. Atlanta is a large place with very sorry bus service..if you live in Atlanta Metro as she does you have no choice but to drive with or without a license.

    • 1 vote
    #8.3 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:28 AM EST
    KnightTemplar

    lx chel wrote:

    KnightTemplar, they can get them from the Mexican consulate in Atlanta. Atlanta is a large place with very sorry bus service..if you live in Atlanta Metro as she does you have no choice but to drive with or without a license.

    And just what drivers test did she take to get THAT license? And she thought the Mexican license was "good" in Georgia? Wonder what she was doing for insurance?

    My point is, she was knowingly breaking the law, just like her parents did when they entered our country illegally and/or stayed. That's why the law says if you're here illegally, you get deported. An American without papers, is that like a doctor without a diploma? Would you consider a Doctor without a diploma a REAL doctor?

    Was she working (legally) to pay tuition? Those who break one law, think little of breaking others.

    Illegal is just that - ILLEGAL! It's one law and it applies to everyone.

    • 1 vote
    #8.4 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:34 AM EST
    Ix chel

    Do you not think that the consulate can provide their own drivers with a driver´s exam? How was she knowingly breaking the law? She was 10 years old when she came to the US...did she have a choice? When you were 10 did you get to tell your parents what you were going to do and what you weren´t going to do? The law in the US require that a person has to be competent to be responsible for their actions at the time something happens, and btw, this is a CIVIL not criminal violation. Further, she is no longer in violation because DHS has deferred her deportation. Not everyone in the country out of status is deported..DHS has DISCRETION and can decide NOT to deport someone if they so choose, just like a police officer can catch you speeding and not give you a ticket.

    Her parents are paying for her college, she doesn´t work, though I believe that DHS has now provided her with employment authorization while her case adjudicates. Her being illegal does not mean always that her parents are still illegally in the country, one or both of them may have adjusted their status to where they can legally work here. That said, I know of a young lady brought to the US when she was 7 (in Georgia as well) her parents are both legal residents, she is not a legal resident...they made the choice to bring her because DHS told them that she would age out before her papers went through and would be an adult before she could live with her parents...her grandparents were no longer able to care for her..they had the choice of bringing her illegally or letting her live on the streets..they brought her illegally and she is now 16 years old...her parents still are legal and they are using an attorney to try to get a humanitarian waiver for the child...but she will be an adult before her case is ever heard. So it isn´t always as cut and dry as you think...an illegal child does not mean an illegal parent.

    Also, you alledge that if a person breaks one law they think nothing of breaking other laws..do you speed or jaywalk? I am positive you do..does that mean you are going to become a hardened felon or disrespect other laws? My mother when she was dying of cancer used mj..yeah mj because she had lung cancer and it helped her through the treatments...did that make her a hardened criminal? Sorry, but you like to see things in black in white when it is a gray world.

    • 1 vote
    #8.5 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:40 AM EST
    KnightTemplar

    lx chel wrote:

    My mother when she was dying of cancer used mj..yeah mj because she had lung cancer and it helped her through the treatments...did that make her a hardened criminal? Sorry, but you like to see things in black in white when it is a gray world.

    Sorry about your mom, and MJ is considered a legal treatment now.

    Only lawyers and criminals see things in "gray". Law abiding citizens see things in black and white because that way you remain "law abiding citizens".

    I guess the lies she told are "gray" as well?

    • 1 vote
    #8.6 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:57 AM EST
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    KnightTemplar

    lx chel wrote:

    KnightTemplar, they can get them from the Mexican consulate in Atlanta. Atlanta is a large place with very sorry bus service..if you live in Atlanta Metro as she does you have no choice but to drive with or without a license.

    And THAT'S okay with you?

    • 2 votes
    Reply#9 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:33 AM EST
    Ix chel

    I have no control over Mexican laws...so if it is legal for the Mexican consulate to do that according to Mexican laws who am I to say anything? She had a Mexican driver´s license so technically she wasn´t unlicensed. I am not ok with Atlanta having such sorry bus service, but it is a fact of life that to get to school you travel likely around 20 miles, to get to work 20-30 miles and to go to the store from where my home is there is about 10 miles, just to go to the grocery store..and the closest bus to me is 40 miles away. Sometimes what you find outrageous and what reality is are two very different things...I still own my home in Douglasville, but I live in Central America...doesn´t mean I have forgot what living there was like.

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    #9.1 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:48 AM EST
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    KnightTemplar

    lx chel

    So you know, there is more to the story.

    On March 29, Colotl was stopped by a KSU police officer and was arrested for driving without a license. She also received a citation for impeding traffic and in July pleaded not guilty to both misdemeanor violations.

    After Colotl was booked into Cobb Jail on March 30, she was turned over to immigration authorities and taken to the Etowah County Detention Center in Gadsden, Ala., on April 1. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement released her on May 5 and agreed to defer any action against her for one year so she could return to her studies at the university.

    Colotl was later re-arrested and charged with a felony - making false statements - after Cobb Sheriff's deputies accused her of giving an incorrect address to deputies as she was booked in the first time at Cobb County Jail. The District Attorney's Office, which prosecutes felonies, is still investigating that case. A conviction on the felony charge carries a sentence of one to five years in prison and a $1,000 fine.

    Let me say again. Those who break one law, find it easier to break others. A felony conviction would mean she is not eligible for american citizenship.

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    Reply#10 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:57 AM EST
    Ix chel

    The giving a false statement has been dropped and believing Cobb deputies is hillarious...you do know these are the same deputies that beat a guy for looking Hispanic and riding a bicycle right?

    Yes, there is more to the story as you say..their idea of impeading the flow of traffic is parking in a parking lot at school...

    That day, a Kennesaw State University campus police officer ‘pulled her over’ when she was parking in the University parking lot. According to the officer, she was “impeding the flow of traffic.”

    she was exonnerated of the charges she faced...except driving without a license..DHS has the authority to defer her deportation for 1 year while she finishes college..she is 1 year from graduation and she is to become an attorney. Tell me something Knight...do you not think that DHS has that authority to defer deportation? Do police have the authority to not give you a ticket?

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    Reply#11 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:01 AM EST
    KnightTemplar

    lx chel wrote:

    she was exonnerated of the charges she faced...except driving without a license..DHS has the authority to defer her deportation for 1 year while she finishes college..she is 1 year from graduation and she is to become an attorney. Tell me something Knight...do you not think that DHS has that authority to defer deportation? Do police have the authority to not give you a ticket?

    First of all, I believe she has since been charged with making a false statement for lying about her address. Second, I don't think her graduation will make her an attorney, I think she has to go to law school for that and then pass the state bar exam.

    Obviously, DHS has the ability to defer deportment. I think the KSU writing a ticket for impeding traffic is bogus, and almost harassment. I wonder if they wrote it because they needed a "moving violation" to take her in and check her immigration status?

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    #11.1 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:20 AM EST
    Ix chel

    No, they needed it to stop her in the first place...so I am glad you admit that is bogus..shows some common sense. However, the other charge is also bogus she didn´t make a statement about her address to police officers, they simply wrote it down..she is being harrassed...it is Cobb County, used to live there, been there and done that unfortunately the police there have a horrible reputation...Douglasville is more country and believe it or not they are reasonable officers and don´t spend their time on pursuing windmills. Clearly she won´t graduate an attorney yet...she does have to go to law school which she intends to do...right now she is 1 semester from graduating from KU. The immigration judge actually gave the deferral not DHS...however, it can only last a year and then she has to reappear and ask for another deferral, if she is still at a post graduate school they will defer her deportation...the thing is if she is allowed to graduate before they take such a drastic action such as making her leave she will have a much better chance of survival in Mexico...she is Native American..a name like Colotl isn´t Spanish its Indian...if I am not mistaken she is probably from Chiapas area which is almost exclusively Native American and an area of high conflict and extremely poor, the government has a history of repression against the people in Chiapas..I was actually scared the first time we drove through there because I had read ´stories´in the US about guerillas, etc..anyway we had a mishap, my husband had a truck and was towing another one and I was driving our Chevy Impala...he slid in the rain and the trucks came unhooked and he almost went over the edge of the mountain except I stopped them with blocking the slide with my car. Anyhow those Natives all trapsed up that damn mountain, diverted traffic so there wasn´t another mishap and fixed the mess right there on the street...one of the women carried my son down the mountain and took me with her and gave us food and something to drink and offered us a place to rest. I was humbled by their kindness..the men tried to refuse to take any money from my husband, but he is Mayan and knows the extreme poverty these folks face...they made us stay the night there because the mountains are dangerous to travel at night...he paid them $100 for soldering the damaged triangle and for letting us stay there with them. Sometimes we don´t realize how things can work out for other folks..and I guess living in Cobb Co has jaded me some..

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    #11.2 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:33 AM EST
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    Ix chel

    and she didn´t make a false statement to police the police officer used the address on her registration to write her ticket...it was an old address and when ICE officials questioned her she gave her CORRECT address. Before an officer writes a ticket he doesn´t ask if that is your correct address on the registration he just writes the damn ticket.

    According to Colotl’s lawyer, the explanation is simple and one the sheriff’s office should have been able to figure out. The Duluth, Ga., address on her car registration and insurance cards was used on the traffic ticket, but when asked by the ICE agents for her address, she gave them her current residence in Norcross, Ga. Nevertheless, Sheriff Warren made a great show of issuing a “fugitive” hunt for the young woman, proclaiming his duty to uphold the law

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    Reply#12 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:18 AM EST
    KnightTemplar

    lx chel wrote:

    and she didn´t make a false statement to police the police officer used the address on her registration to write her ticket...it was an old address and when ICE officials questioned her she gave her CORRECT address. Before an officer writes a ticket he doesn´t ask if that is your correct address on the registration he just writes the damn ticket.

    That makes sense because he WOULD write the ticket from his car using her registration. But not having a valid and up to date registration is a ticket he didn't write.

    The main problem here is she has been living in this country for 11 years illegally.

    It did look like the police wrote the "impeding ticket" to get her to the station to check her immigration status. And their suspicions were confirmed.

    But her not even having a valid driver's license for ANY of the United States is still breaking the law. There is no way a Mexican Driver's license would be honored unless she was here on valid visa and even then there would be restrictions.

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    #12.1 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:47 AM EST
    Ix chel

    Yes, he could have written her one I suppose though it depends, because most folks in Georgia wait till they renew it to change their address..why? ever seen the lines you have to wait in at DMV to change your registration address? And when you do that they get rather irritated at you and tell you that you should have just waited till renewal instead of coming ahead of time...the people there at DMV aren´t the friendliest crowd..and the wait is atrocious. I didn´t change mine till I actually renewed either, because it is a pain to do so...making a false statement to me is when they ask you a question and you directly lie to them about it..however, she was never given her fifth amendment rights so how can he say she made a false statement if she wasn´t under arrest? After all at that point he had just asked for registration, she handed it to him..at best it is a failure to change address not a false statement...under 287g you aren´t supposed to use traffic citations as a reason to check immigration status...that is why Maricopa county lost their street level enforcement..I would rather they spent their time worrying about those who are truly criminals and not this girl...we have enough that they really need to arrest and get out instead of worrying about a college kid. Knightly, I am glad to see that it seems you have some common sense on this and there is a middle ground...too bad we aren´t all like that then this immigration problem would have been solved 10 years ago.

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    #12.2 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:45 AM EST
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    KnightTemplar

    lx chel wrote:

    I didn´t change mine till I actually renewed either, because it is a pain to do so...making a false statement to me is when they ask you a question and you directly lie to them about it..however, she was never given her fifth amendment rights so how can he say she made a false statement if she wasn´t under arrest? After all at that point he had just asked for registration, she handed it to him..at best it is a failure to change address not a false statement...under 287g you aren´t supposed to use traffic citations as a reason to check immigration status...

    lx chel, I can't find the link you must have found that spells out all the details you're citing. I don't doubt you found it, but can you point me to it? All of the points you make i.e. fifth amendment, under arrest, registration validation, parents paying for school, etc. seem correct to me, I just can't find the link.

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    Reply#13 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:40 PM EST
    Ix chel

    I am going on several different places that I have read about the case...here are a few of them..the points about the 5th amendment would come because of course they based it off her registration

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Colotl_controversy

    Taylor said his client gave her proper address to both Cobb County and immigration officials.
    Attempts by The Associated Press to reach Colotl and her friends were unsuccessful Thursday.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/14/college-student-ignites-immigration-debate/

    Before the start of Colotl's trial on traffic charges, her attorney revealed that his client recently obtained a Social Security card, a work permit and a learner's permit.

    http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/25755884/detail.html

    http://www.mdjonline.com/view/full_story/10277442/article-Illegal-KSU-student-found-guilty?instance=lead_story_left_column

    http://www.workers.org/2010/us/georgia_0527/

    According to Colotl’s lawyer, the explanation is simple and one the sheriff’s office should have been able to figure out. The Duluth, Ga., address on her car registration and insurance cards was used on the traffic ticket, but when asked by the ICE agents for her address, she gave them her current residence in Norcross, Ga. Nevertheless, Sheriff Warren made a great show of issuing a “fugitive” hunt for the young woman, proclaiming his duty to uphold the law

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    #13.1 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:16 PM EST
    KnightTemplar

    Thanks, I knew you had them.

      #13.2 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:26 PM EST
      Ix chel

      No problem Knight..I have to admit this case is close to me..one of my nieces knows this girl, she is a very quiet and nice girl and certainly not deserving of our ire...she is legal now so folks should just leave her alone, let her finish school, she has agreed to leave when she finishes her schooling and apply to return to the US from Mexico...she will be better able to do that with a college degree.

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      #13.3 - Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:42 PM EST
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