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Home prices falling faster in most metro areas

Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:05 AM EST
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Janna Herron, AP Business Writer
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<p>In this Nov. 16, 2010 photo, builders nail together a roof panel for a second story home under construction in Derry, N.H. Home prices are falling faster in the nation's largest cities, and a record number of foreclosures are expected to push prices down further through next year.(AP Photo/Charles Krupa)</p>

In this Nov. 16, 2010 photo, builders nail together a roof panel for a second story home under construction in Derry, N.H. Home prices are falling faster in the nation's largest cities, and a record number of foreclosures are expected to push prices down further through next year.(AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

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NEW YORK — Millions of foreclosures and weak demand from buyers are forcing home prices down in most major U.S. cities.

Prices are falling even in places like San Francisco and San Diego, which had posted strong increases just a few months ago. Analysts say many markets won't improve until they see fewer foreclosures and more job gains.

"Unemployment is still high, people are afraid of losing their homes and credit is hard to get," said Maureen Maitland, vice president of Standard & Poor's indices.

A report Tuesday underscored the weakness. Home prices declined in 18 of the 20 cities, according to the S&P/Case-Shiller 20-city index. Prices fell 0.7 percent in September from August, marking the second straight monthly drop.

A separate report Tuesday showed Americans are gaining more confidence in the broader economy. The Conference Board, a private research group based in New York, said consumer confidence rose to a five-month high in November.

Still, the housing market remains depressed.

The biggest weight on prices going forward is foreclosures, which sell at steep discounts and lower nearby property values. About 2 million loans are in foreclosure, and another 2.4 million borrowers have missed at least 90 days of mortgage payments, according to LPS Applied Analytics.

Foreclosed properties and other distressed sales are dominating the Tampa, Fla., market, said Stephanie LeFew, owner of Tampa Home Buy Realty. The number of homes there that received a foreclosure notice rose 7 percent in the July-September quarter from the previous quarter, according to foreclosure tracker RealtyTrac Inc.

"Buyers are getting discounts of 50 percent and more," LeFew said.

Prices there hit their lowest point since 2003, dropping 0.8 percent in September from August, according to the Case-Shiller index. The median price in Tampa was $115,700 in the third quarter, according to Internet real estate service Zillow.

Miami and Phoenix are also being greatly affected by foreclosures. One in every 41 Miami households received a foreclosure filing in the July-September quarter. Home prices there declined 1.2 percent from August to September.

In Phoenix, the foreclosure rate was one in 44 in the July-September quarter; home prices fell 1.5 percent from August to September.

Las Vegas has the nation's worst foreclosure rate. One in every 25 households received a foreclosure filing in the July-September quarter.

Still, the city is beginning to show signs of stabilizing. For the second consecutive month, home prices ticked up 0.1 percent, according to the Case-Shiller report. Buyers are taking advantage of prices that are now more than 50 percent below their peak from four years ago.

"We're seeing retirees from California and New York especially, buying homes with cash," said Steve Harless of Realty One Group.

Washington was the only other city to post an increase month over month in the Case-Shiller index. The nation's capital has had fewer foreclosures and one of the best economies. The metro area added 56,100 jobs in September from a year earlier, the largest gain in the nation.

The outlook for California's cities is more mixed. Three California cities in the Case-Shiller index — Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco — have seen home prices rebound sharply in the last year.

Yet, prices have softened in the last two months in those cities. Demand has weakened since federal home-buying tax credits expired in the spring. The Case-Shiller index is a moving, three-month average. The September figures are comprised of prices in July, August and September, so it would be the first month to show the full impact of the end of the tax credits.

"It doesn't surprise me. The market around here in the spring was quite strong. You could almost call it hot. Now I actually have noticed there's definitely a slowdown going on right now in real time," Darin DeRenzis, a partner with L.A.-based Peninsula Sotheby's International Realty.

The absence of the tax credit is having an impact on lower-priced markets too, where it was a bigger financial help, said Zach Pandl, an analyst at Nomura Securities.

Cleveland and Minneapolis recorded the largest monthly declines in September after posting sharp increases in prices during the life of the tax credits. The median value of a Cleveland home was $118,500 in the third quarter and $177,200 for Minneapolis, versus the national median of $179,900, according to Zillow.

Home prices have fallen in 15 of the 20 cities in the past year. The 20-city index has risen 5.9 percent from its April 2009 bottom. But it remains nearly 28.6 percent below its July 2006 peak.

The national quarterly index, which measures home prices in the nine U.S. census regions, dropped 2 percent in the third quarter from the previous quarter.

"The question is how fast is the local economy growing and what is the extent of foreclosures in that area," Pandl said. "But really, it is a national phenomenon."

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Beckyal

it would help the market stabilze if builders would stop building so that older homes can be sold. so stupid.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:10 AM EST
Midwestlady

There are 6 homes for sale in my tiny section of the neighborhood, while 26 new homes are being built just 2 blocks away. It is idiotic that in my city 20% of the homes are on the market and they are still building new ones all over the place.

Great point Beckyal!

    #2.1 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:43 AM EST
    TDR

    There are many factors as to why builders continue to build. I didn't realize the factors myself until I asked someone in the financial mortgage industry. There are tons of permits already paid for, permits issued, laws, etc. that push development even though it may not makes sense to the average person.

    Your premise is right in terms of clearing out the system, but that can't happen until foreclosed properties are fully vetted in the market. Some 2.5 million homes that need to be foreclosed on have not entered the market. Most of the 2.5 million homes in question have tenants that haven't paid their mortgage for up to 2 years. That isn't fair to you and me and doesn't help realize the true value of the market.

    • 2 votes
    #2.2 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:45 AM EST
    Sally - Snoopy's Sister

    1.1 - but see - there has to be a heart and desire to do good for the majority. This is not what we're seeing in the housing market - all greed all of the time. And they are killing our citizens by financially ruining families into generations that will take decades to recover if they ever do at all.

      #2.3 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:49 AM EST
      Chunky-Monkey

      GREED! That's all it's about. Build something for a 100k and sell it for 500k or more.

      Also, I recall on a Glen Beck program that there would be another drop in the housing market that will be worse than the first time, and here it is. Just around the corner ready to blow-up rather than burst...

      • 1 vote
      #2.4 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:12 PM EST
      Sally - Snoopy's Sister

      1.4 - Some credit themselves on greed. Is that the direction our nation wants to head? Because I see little evidence otherwise.

        #2.5 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:15 PM EST
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        Brian-497171

        I still for the life of me do not know why we are buiding new homes!?!?

        The market is saturated with existing homes at bargain-basement prices.

        If you can't find one you like at an affordable price - you must have your head up your a**.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#3 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:17 AM EST
        Doublethink

        think of all those ppl who would be out of jobs in construction.

        • 1 vote
        #3.1 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:30 AM EST
        Brian-497171

        So we should just keep building homes that no one will buy because it employs people?

        In fact, think of the mostly vacant neighborhoods and ghost suburbs that are drastically devaluing the homes of those who stayed and paid their mortgage.

        • 1 vote
        #3.2 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:36 AM EST
        Sally - Snoopy's Sister

        No - builders should be constructing these and keeping the prices down to affordable:

        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tiny_houses

        along with the itty bitty electric cars in the itty bitty garages. :]

        • 1 vote
        #3.3 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:38 AM EST
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        Rickeroo

        But it remains nearly 28.6 percent below its July 2006 peak.

        Nowhere near low enough. I'd say 50% below peak for about 3 years would more or less equalize the housing market.

        People still don't have any clue how much they overpaid from 2003 to 2008 for housing.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#4 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:19 AM EST
        Nicey-1026620

        http://www.standardandpoors.com/servlet/BlobServer?blobheadername3=MDT-Type&blobcol=urldocumentfile&blobtable=SPComSecureDocument&blobheadervalue2=inline%3B+filename%3Ddownload.xls&blobheadername2=Content-Disposition&blobheadervalue1=application%2Fexcel&blobkey=id&blobheadername1=content-type&blobwhere=1245214507701&blobheadervalue3=abinary%3B+charset%3DUTF-8&blobnocache=true

        Make sure to look at the seasonally adjusted numbers for the index.

        http://www.standardandpoors.com/indices/sp-case-shiller-home-price-indices/en/us/?indexId=spusa-cashpidff--p-us----

        They are pretty much back to where they should be given median income levels. Current median national is around 175k, it should be inflation adjusted 160k. So, another 8.5% lower, or simply stagnant for more years will put things back to normal.

        http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqrguz/housingbubble/

          Reply#5 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:31 AM EST
          Sally - Snoopy's Sister

          My propaganda:

          http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tiny_houses

            Reply#6 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:35 AM EST
            johnmcd

            Despite Bloomberg economists' survey projecting a drop in PMI, it actually rose indicating perhaps a stronger manufacturing economy in the US. After the housing bubble, this may be a good trend.

            Housing will eventually return to normal, it just takes time. Meanwhile they should reduce prices now to get rid of inventory quicker and allow buyers to build up some equity as prices rise again later.

            The growth in real estate values hopefully will eventually return as this is necessary to save the municipalities all across the country and indirectly the various state governments, etc.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#7 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:01 PM EST
            Sally - Snoopy's Sister

            6 - ok, who is buying, though? Can the buyers sustain loans with viable employment? What are the manufacturing jobs, specifically?

            How is "housing" going to return to normal when there is an astonishing outstanding debt ratio? When will this miracle take place because I want to see it happen. Do you think it will overnight?

            Real estate values will return? When and where?

            This is a miracle indeed. Prayers answered. Who knew.

              #7.1 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:11 PM EST
              American Dreams

              I have a 30 year old home for sale and am in a new semi-custom home. The older home is in very good condition, every major applience is no older then 6 year. We've got it very reasonably priced for the area. Not a single nibble! Too many foreclosures and the buy can get twice the home for the money. BUT - as a foreclosed home you, more often then not, must do a complete remodel, paint, appliances and in some an entire new plumbing system. So you're not saving money.

              Part of the problem is even if you have stellar credit ratings like we have, many can still not get a home loan.

                #7.2 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:48 PM EST
                Sally - Snoopy's Sister

                6.2 - Right, and many persons that have sustained volatile markets and maintained a high ranking credit score for most of their lives with employment lost, and the result was ruin of their credit in one fell swoop.

                It is unfair because of the economy to defame those that made ends meet and worked hard to earn a great credit rating for all of their lives. Suddenly to judge these persons as "a risk" hardly is the truth. With steady, gainful employment, most Americans would recover nicely.

                  #7.3 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 7:42 AM EST
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                  Mr. J-2172189

                  First, newer homes are so over inflated it's not even funny anymore, hence why their dropping like a rock in value, and their bringing older homes with them down as well. Second, it's also supply and demand. There are more homes than there are buyer's. As some of you pointed out, they keep building new homes, yet the majority of them remain empty as the case in my town and they are still overpriced. In the last 3 years, 48 new homes/condos have went up, 17 are only occupied. More were occupied earlier, but than people walked away from them due to what ever fincial hardships that they were involved in. I cant even imagine what the ratio is for older homes??? Other side to this is that now we have people buying up these foreclosed homes and turing them into rentals. Well everybody and anybody knows, when you have rental home next to a private home, it can bring the value down on a private home. Reason, is that a renter doesnt care about the lawn, the way the house looks (to a certain extent), and they basically feel because they dont own it, it's not their problem. So when you as a private owner bust your butt to keep your house looking nice, it drives you nuts when you look next door, and you see crap in the yard, grass not cut, garabge everywhere. Here's the best one of them all. Banks own these foreclosed homes now, yet most city goverments will not enforce codes and cite the banks for not keeping the home up. In fact, what happens is you see your local neighbors cutting the lawn, trimming the tree's keeping the yard up, because they cant stand it as it makes their owen home look bad. Some may disagree, but than I would argue that those that do diagree, most likely do not own a home, or even know what it's like to work your butt off to keep it up. With all that has happen in the last 2 years with homes and mortages, many have lost faith in the system, and the idea of having your own home. It use to be that a home was your big investment, your one asset that you could call yours, and as the years go on, you would reap the benfits of haviong your own home. Sorry to say, those days are gone, and like me, and many oters, they may never come back.

                    Reply#8 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:32 PM EST
                    fatguy913

                    You forget that the land has loans already in place. Home builders have no bail out. Banks don't lend money to help the foreclosure situation. Construction is the key to unemployment. The normal take down is around a million units a year to keep pace with attrition and birth rates current take down the last three years has been about 500k per year. That means there is pent up demand now what happens when you turn home construction back on? Inflation as trades are working for much less now than three years ago they will get it back!!! The answer is restructure mortgages and hold the people accountable for their debt and not let them escape. Many home losses probably belong to construction workers and their unemployment benefits run out SATURDAY!!!!! Not building is not the answer either building smart is more in line. Money is cheap if you have a incredible credit rating for those who don't no home for you new or foreclosed.

                      Reply#9 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:44 PM EST
                      wbbtexas

                      The NET Effect, down the Line, of what we are seeing in the Homebuilding Market and the Foreclosure Crisis, is that MANY older Building will Eventually Be Torn DOWN, as A result of the Glut. Both Homes AND Apartment Buildings.

                      For the Many who Today LIVE in Cheap Old Motels, Older rundown Apartment Buildings, and Old Houses rented Out by the Room, this will Be a Difficult time, During the Next 20 years, to Find a Way to Avoid Shelter Living. I suspect it will Push up the Already TOO HIGH Numbers of Homeless in America.

                      If You Can't yet SEE the Horrendous DAMAGE the Housing Bubble Burst of 2007-2008 DID to This Country, it WILL Become More and More Apparent as Time Marches ON.

                      And There IS NO Magic Wand that ANY President or Congress Can Wave to Make it ALL GO AWAY.

                      The Unregulated Derivatives Market CAUSED This Gigantic Disaster. PURE and Simple. And Even Though Democrats in Congress Tried to Corral the Problem in 2010: DO YOU REALIZE that the Republicans STOPPED them from "Going TOO Far"!

                      They STILL Haven't GONE anywhere Near FAR ENOUGH...to Avoid ANOTHER Disaster.

                      America, You've ONLY Got 23 Months to FIGURE this OUT.

                      Who are you Going to LISTEN TO: The Clowns who PUT us HERE, or the People Trying as Hard as They Can, to GET US MOVING AGAIN.

                      Right Now, the Biggest Drain on our Business Environment ISN'T - "TOO MUCH Spending", Too Many Regulations, or Taxes Too High. After All, Obama LOWERED Taxes for 90% of Americans.

                      What's HOLDING Back the Economy, More Than ANYTHING ELSE, is the HUGE Overhang of People Unable to Keep up with their Mortgage Payments. The FORECLOSURE Problem. And This NIGHTMARE was Lying on the White House Steps The DAY Obama Walked IN.

                      It is Really a Shame that The Country 'WENT and Done' what it Did on November 2. The VERY THING we NEED to DO, to Make the Problem Better, is SPEND some Money, say take it from somewhere ELSE like Defense, and SHORE Up the Mortgage/Repayment Problem, so that the Credit Market can Start to Breathe AGAIN.

                      But, - The Election of 2010 GUARANTEES it will NOT Happen, and the Problem will Only Get Worse.

                        Reply#10 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:13 PM EST
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