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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords condition improves

Sun Jan 9, 2011 8:48 PM EST
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TUCSON — In yet another sign of significant recovery during a remarkable week, the gravely wounded U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was upgraded from critical to serious condition Sunday after a procedure to remove her from a ventilator was successful.

Doctors have been positive, and at time almost giddy, in describing her progress since she was shot point blank in the head Jan. 8.

Giffords responded from the moment she arrived at the emergency room, at first just squeezing a doctor's hand. Then she raised two fingers. She opened her unbandaged eye shortly after President Barack Obama's bedside visit Wednesday. Then, more milestones — which doctors said were all indicative of higher cognitive function — were achieved, all with her husband, astronaut Mark Kelly, at her side.

Kelly asked her to give him a thumbs-up if she could hear him. She did more than that. She slowly raised her left arm. By the end of the week, she had moved her legs and arms.

At the hospital, more than 100 people were gathered amid the sea of get-well balloons and cards when the University of Arizona put out a statement upgrading her condition.

"Oh, that's great news," said Jean Emrick, a 50-year resident of Tucson, as a violinist played in the background.

Her eyes watering, Emrick said: "Tucson is such a special place and she represents what's the best of southern Arizona."

As night fell, candles at the makeshift memorial began to flicker. A mariachi band played the "The Star-Spangled Banner."

Doctors decided to upgrade her condition because the tracheotomy done a day earlier was uneventful, hospital spokeswoman Katie Riley said. A feeding tube was also put in Saturday, and doctors speculated that they might soon know if she could speak.

Few people survive a bullet to the brain — just 10 percent — and some who do end up in a vegetative state. It is even more rare for people with gunshot wounds to the head to regain all of their abilities, and doctors have cautioned that the full extent of Giffords' recovery remains uncertain.

Giffords and 18 others were shot when a gunman opened fire at a meet-and-greet she was hosting outside a supermarket in her own hometown. Six people died.

Meanwhile, a week after the Tucson supermarket massacre, more details emerged about a shooting victim who police said became distraught and was arrested during a televised town hall meeting.

James Eric Fuller, a self-described liberal and military veteran, started ranting at the end of the program Saturday. He took a picture of a local tea party leader and yelled "you're dead" before calling others in the church a bunch of "whores," authorities said.

Deputies called a doctor and decided he should be taken to a hospital for a mental evaluation, said Pima County sheriff's spokesman Jason Ogan said.

No one answered the door Sunday at Fuller's home.

In media interviews and on the Internet, Fuller, a former limousine driver and Census worker, has said he worked hard to get Giffords re-elected in her conservative-leaning district. He was going over questions he had prepared for the congresswoman, when the shooting began, he said in an interview with the television show "Democracy Now."

He was shot in the knee and back and drove himself to the hospital, where he spent two days.

"I didn't know how to calm myself down," he said on the TV show, "so I wrote down the Declaration of Independence, which I memorized some time ago. And that did help to organize my thoughts."

He also lashed out at conservative Republicans for "Second Amendment activism," arguing it set the stage for the shooting.

Fuller returned to the Safeway supermarket Friday, telling KPHO-TV he had always considered trauma a figment of imagination until the events of Jan. 8.

"Today I'm back on my feet, more or less, and I'm in a combative mood," Fuller said as he limped across the store parking lot. "It's helping me. I've never had any trauma like this in my life."

Later, he showed up at the home of accused gunman Jared Loughner, who lived within a half-mile of Fuller.

"He said he was going to forgive him for shooting him," Richard Elder, 86, a retired medical mechanic who lives next door to Fuller, told The Associated Press Sunday. "If anyone shot me, I don't think I'd say, 'Hey feller, that's alright.'"

Fuller posted about eight campaign signs in front of his house during the last election, including one for Giffords. And although Fuller was friendly, he acted odd sometimes, Elder said. Once, Fuller asked him if he was going to vote.

"I told him there are two things I don't talk about: politics or religion. I told him that, and he walked off without another word."

He said Fuller had shown him his bullet wounds and seemed to be dealing with the shooting well.

The man Fuller is accused of threatening, Tucson Tea Party co-founder Trent Humphries, said he was worried about the threat, and the dozens of other angry e-mails he has received.

"I had nothing to do with the murders that happened or the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords," said Humphries, who was on his way Sunday to attend services for his friend Dorwan Stoddard, 76. "And I wonder, if he (Fuller) is crazy or is he the canary in a coal mine? Is he saying what a lot of other people are holding in their hearts? If so, that's a problem."

At the Safeway, the flowers, teddy bears, candles and cards were growing.

Eduardo Ibarola sat quietly off to the side with a colorful beaded rosary in his hand. He had been praying all week but drove from Phoenix with his 5-year-old grandson to set his heart right.

"We came just so I could say my rosary. All I want is for those upstairs to hear my prayers," Ibarola said, adding that he had been thinking all week about the youngest victim, 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green.

The girl's father told The Boston Globe some of her organs were donated to a young girl in the area there, but he didn't have any other details.

He said they were once again proud of their daughter, "who has done another amazing thing."

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Susan Montoya Bryan contributed from Tucson. Christie reported from Phoenix.

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Philismo

"Pot-smoking"? Reefer-madness explains it all?

It wasn't the media, their violence-advocating darlings, or the shooter's blatant psychosis. It was that demon weed!

How to defend your agenda when challenged by the facts: Distract! Distract!

  • 14 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 9:15 PM EST
demmywemmy

My first thought exactly.

What could be more important, more descriptive, indeed, more revealing of this wretched man/boy's life?

POT SMOKER!

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 9:41 PM EST
Stone5150

Of course there are lots of pot smokers and every one of them is a white supremacist anti-immigration assassin wannabe. :/

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 9:49 PM EST
Got_It?

This is too easy.

In a YouTube video, which featured text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new U.S. currency

that's from this article right?

" Haley told reporters in Reno on Friday that Bedell believed "the currency of the United States should be marijuana."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/05/parents-pentagon-shooter-warned-authorities/

Looks like the globalist elite are working overtime to create a new fictional enemy.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 10:15 PM EST
justoneguy

Hmmm, no mention of S. Palin OR the Tea Party. Time to erase about 10,000 hateful reactionary opportunist comments from the MSNBC news article that ran yesteday.

  • 8 votes
#1.4 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 10:28 PM EST
Ix chel

Got it, actually what he said on You Tube(his own words) was that he believed in only currency backed by the Gold standard.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 11:13 PM EST
Smith Cassidy

Bullets didn't hurt people, Pot did!

/sarcasm

And don't mind me getting sick in the corner...fking morons often have that effect on me.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:31 AM EST
James-1201807

Really bizarre, I know there have been several shootings by young males in the last decade, but it was usually at a place target people they were around everyday.

It'll be interesting to learn the motives, if there were any I should say

    #1.7 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:33 AM EST
    Reply
    Aunk (The Cultural Health Guy)

    Hetep and Respect it is good to get more information and see the systematic steps toward justice moving forward.

    An official familiar with the Arizona shooting investigation said Sunday that local authorities are looking at a possible connection between Loughner and an online group known for white supremacist, anti-immigrant rhetoric.

    This is troubling and will bear watching.

    My hart goes out to those lost and their family's in this tragedy.

    Clipped.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#2 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 9:27 PM EST
    Mad-Man-G

    Many folks in this country had better quickly WAKE-UP!! There was so many warning signs as to the trouble with this young man and many MANY others just like him in this country. Different reports have said he was bound and determined to force someone...anyone to hear him out. Why wouldn't folks listen to him?

    This is a real wake-up or should be to us all that despite our politics...left or right...a bullet doesn't care about it's victum and unfortunately, once these type of folks reach this point of frustration/desperation indeed they will all be heard one way or the other...like it or not.

    In the current times when unemployment is high, people are frustrated on both sides of politics with current conditions and it seems neither side is doing a very good job of listening...there seems to be a real sense of some folks feeling a need for desperate measures. It is a terrible shame that this man has ruined his life and all those he has killed...and to think of his poor parents and the guilt and anguish they must feel, but we as a society let this young man down because we didn't hear him out. If our youth truly is our future, shouldn't we at least hear them out?

    • 4 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 9:35 PM EST
    Stone5150

    The only person who should have listened to him was a psychiatrist and an FBI agent. Giving these nutcases an audience won't cure them, it only emboldens them. Yeah, lets give arseholes a chance to justify killing children during an assassination.

    Millions are unemployed and frustrated, but only this crazy arsehole joined a nutjob group that encouraged him to take a gun to a grocery store to shoot people.

    • 5 votes
    #3.1 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 9:57 PM EST
    Joseph.

    I agree, Loughner needed to speak to someone with the capacity to help him. He was obviously demented and in dire need of a constructive outlet as most young men of his disposition are.

    • 3 votes
    #3.2 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 11:10 PM EST
    Starseeker

    and just think, his own parents were just feet away in the same small house.

      #3.3 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:16 AM EST
      Reply
      don-1877922

      May the Lord grant U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords a speedy recovery.It everyone hurts when a loser and a nobody like that nameless BOY hurts or kill people like you.You could have decided to be careless for people in your area by staying at home ,but you decided to serve and report to the people when this senseless tragedy happened to you, Christina-Taylor Green,the Judge and the others. I pray the good lord hear the cry of all of us and i know Christina-Taylor Green is in heaven .

      • 4 votes
      Reply#4 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 9:38 PM EST
      Liselotte

      You could have decided to be careless for people in your area by staying at home , but you decided to serve and report to the people

      That was what Don said about Congresswoman Giffords, and it is a really fine point he makes.

      I like to believe that good acts are rewarded by the Lord, or the cosmos, or Karma, or what-have-you, and was happy to read that U.S. Rep Giffords is indeed recovering well after that point-blank gunshot wound to the head.

      It is a tragedy regarding the loss of life for the others, including a 9-year old little girl full of potential, as well as a U.S. Federal judge who had served the people of Arizona for over 30 years.

      • 4 votes
      #4.1 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 9:58 PM EST
      Reply
      Mad-Man-G

      Rather than just hearing out our youth, we really need to get good again at instilling a sense of pride and showing our youth that we are listening but more importantly...WE CARE!

      It seems to me that in almost every situation with these young people commiting these terrible crimes, they feel abandoned and un-heard...which probably makes them feel like NO ONE cares. We have become such a self-centered society...ME ME ME, let me get mine; screw the other guy. No wander we are seeing the crazy things we see! Wake up folks! We better all become very aware and vigilant of those around us and the "trouble signs" else we might just be the next statistic!

      By the way...politics has nothing to do with whether you care or NOT and how you show it! We all need somebody to lean on every once in awhile and that's the reason the Good Lord above didn't put us each here alone. We need to be able to socialize with each other. Don't shut out anyone. These problems will only increase even as we have already seen since Columbine. Wake up people!

      Open your eyes, ears and hearts! It just might save a life!

      • 6 votes
      Reply#5 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 9:50 PM EST
      chaseflamz

      My prayers are with the victims and their families. As to the blame game, it seems as though once again the media thinks the shooting was all about them. GEEZ! It is not about Fox, MSNBC, HNN, CNN, or even NPR. It was a seriously deranged young man based on the rantings of his writings. No one in the media has a right or left view of illiteracy, dreams, or any of the rantings of this killer. His drug use seems to be just one problem. I have seen nothing of a family for this young man, so I wonder if they long ago tired of his sociopath rants. Sadly, the focus should be on the lives lost, the lives harmed, the lives changed forever. But the media and some politicians want to point fingers and focus on themselves. And while this killer is in custody, what is going on with whomever is sending the incenidary letters in Maryland and DC?

      • 2 votes
      Reply#6 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 9:54 PM EST
      justoneguy

      His drug use seems to be just one problem.

      Way understated chaseflamz....

      • 1 vote
      #6.1 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 10:41 PM EST
      Reply
      oneofmany

      This is a sad story...

      I hope Sen. Giffords will be ok.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#7 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 10:23 PM EST
      justoneguy

      I'm for the lawful right to carry firearms, but how did this guy get to buying a gun??!! He was obviously mentally deranged.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#8 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 10:27 PM EST
      Mike-2260639

      justoneguy

      ...but how did this guy get to buying a gun??!! He was obviously mentally deranged.

      Arizona gun laws are very loose.

      • 4 votes
      #8.1 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 10:55 PM EST
      AlKhidr

      This is what I keep thinking over. If the kid is so mentally unstable, how was he in possession of a firearm?!! No, wait, let's not blame the kid having a gun, let's blame it on his smoking pot.

      • 3 votes
      #8.2 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:47 AM EST
      Reply
      whiteheathen

      has anyone found out exactly why he did this?

      what was it that propelled him to this ?

      he must have had a reason. i've seen people

      on weed, & they just sit around & say "dude" alot.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#9 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 10:37 PM EST
      Joseph.

      His motivation will likely never be fully understood considering his mental state. What is truly disturbing is the number of disenfranchised youth who continue to be ignored by a society that does not wish to understand or help them. I suppose its easier to let god sort'em out.

      • 6 votes
      #9.1 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 11:15 PM EST
      goodneighbor

      I don't think drugs have anything to do with this.

        #9.2 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:24 AM EST
        Starseeker

        I don't think drugs have anything to do with this.

        of course not, even though someone who knew him indicated he changed after having alcohol poising.

          #9.3 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:21 AM EST
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          MP-478978

          What is common between the Al Queda approach or tactics and the one unfolding in these United States?

          For years the tactics of Al Queda have been exposed as cowardice, brainwashing and misguiding younger generations to commit terror acts etc. We also heard in recent years the "angry" crowd even in the name of "patriots", "take back our country" etc. using weird, illogical and hateful speech, lies, abusive language, lack of common-sense, arrogance and total disregard fo rany courtesy, etc. and frequent or increasing use of violent themes, analogies, subliminal as well ass blatant threats in the name of "rights" and "constitution" of all objects - and lead to a lowest level of acts as seen in the last few days. Let the healing begin.

          But, take a moment and ask - how similar are those approaches. Both are cowards, run and supported by cowards, readily identifiable as the dark forces. They know nothing and care not at all about serving as part of society and culture, to contribute to fellow human beings, or to help others as part of being citizens of these United States. Their anger, frightful intimidating tactics, and any attempts to hide behind those "crazy" "mindless" "inhuman" "mentally ill" subjects committing the actual acts of terrors shall not succeed. The essential feature that they are cowards and they try taking advantage of various situations by abusing the fickle minded few to gain upper hand for power becomes their weakness. It is a tragedy that many of the citizens have suffered and continue to grieve due to monumental losses. hey gain and share strength out of the beauty and legacy of the lives based on love, education, mutual caring and abiding by law and justice. We salute them, honor them and forever keep them in our hearts just as the innocent victims of 9-11.

          Another truth - violence will never win. Those who use it as a tool, directly or indirectly, subliminally or openly, have always lost. The cowards are being warned that their tool itself is unreliable and it consumes those who try to use it. There is time and opportunity to gain education, to work hard for serving this nation, to give up self-centric ideologies and to serve this great nation. We humans must evolve to be reasonable, supportive and appreciate all that we have so far and be innovative for a better tomorrow for all. The true strength is in forsaking violence, violent means and becoming independent and honest thinkers with gratitude to the Lord that we have got this life to live and to serve others.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#10 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 11:06 PM EST
          nel1944Deleted
          Reply
          smellsofpoo

          Wow, this is a very disturbing story. I hope giffords pulls thru and recovers and my thoughts are with the other victims. How was this crazy person able to get this far? From his high school, some college and nobody did anything. It's too late for "Next time".

          • 1 vote
          Reply#11 - Sun Jan 9, 2011 11:52 PM EST
          Mad-Man-G

          The worst part of this story is...there are so many more of these cases. The fact that many of you don't even see that, I believe is truly the scariest part. There are so many more youth and adults alike that have just not ticked that last tick yet, but are only a few away perhaps before blowing up.

          Talk is cheap. All of this nonsense about forsaking violence might work in YOUR own mind...but it apparently doesn't make sense in theirs. These folks need help...real genuine help and if someone doesn't take a few moments to listen, the next victum might just be YOU!

          Do you STOP at a rail-road crossing when you hear the whistle blow...or do you foolishly dis-regard it and try to race on through? Not paying any attention and turning a deaf-ear to these troubled people is truly a sad/bad game of roulette.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#12 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:10 AM EST
          Taylorlx

          Sometimes, if you do not have anything nice to say about someone else than it is best not to say anything at all because others may interpert your comments differently. The hateful rhetoric that came about may have given this young man the push he needed to perform a vicious act. If, he is demented, insane, or derange as everyone assumes, than he is most likely to take what one person states way out of context and reality is no longer reality therefore he would be capable of during anything. Congresswoman Gifford and the other people was no longer human beings to him, they became objects standing in his way of accomplishments and the environment for such a situation was created for him to act. I hope this type of rhetoric stops before others are hurt. May god give the families in their time of need peace and understanding and my prayers are forever with them.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#13 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:12 AM EST
          john-482021

          How much pot was in his bloodstream when they tested him? Any other drugs in his blood? He was pretty accurate for someone on drugs. I am in no way praising this idiot with that comment. I think he should be strung up to the nearest tree.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#14 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:22 AM EST
          Stone5150

          Pot didn't make this arsehole kill people. Hate speech, belonging to a f--ked up organization and a fair amount of mental illness did though.

          • 4 votes
          #14.1 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:27 AM EST
          Joseph.

          I don't think hate speech by any group in particular is the root problem here. The problem stems from a distrust of government inherent within all leanings of contemporary society. Drop a teaspoon of delusional paranoia on top of that and you've got TNT.

          • 4 votes
          #14.2 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:39 AM EST
          Reply
          Trury

          Being a governor is not easy,cos they went through lots long & hard days of tension competition.But gunman just take a second to end their precious life.This feeling really don't good.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#15 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:12 AM EST
          Joseph.

          I couldn't have said it better myself.

            #15.1 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:12 AM EST
            Reply
            Tony Wlliams

            Clarke, a former federal public defender in San Diego and Spokane, Wash., served on teams that defended Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Timothy McVeigh, "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski and Susan Smith, a South Carolina woman who drowned her two sons in 1994.

            If memory serves all of those people got the death penalty. Here is to hoping he does usuual outstanding job.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#16 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:00 AM EST
            Ix chel

            Tony, Susan Smith did not get the death penalty, she got 30 years(life in South Carolina). Ted Kaczynski avoided the death penalty by pleading guilty to all charges and he was crazy as a bedbug, and yes McVeigh got the death penalty and he is no longer bothering us.

            • 4 votes
            #16.1 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:37 AM EST
            Tony Wlliams

            Couldn't remember the sentence for anyone but McVeigh but 30 years to life still sound like a winner. However I somehow doubt that this shooter will get 30 to life. What he will get is a needle in his arm and be pronounced dead at 10 minutes after midnight.

            • 1 vote
            #16.2 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:01 AM EST
            Ix chel

            Tony, in ultraconservative South Carolina and as pissed as people were there that she killed those boys apparently because her boyfriend didn´t want kids..getting that sentence was getting off lightly. I am the same age as Susan Smith and she did her evil deed just a few miles from the place I lived at the time. I lived in Anderson, SC and she lived in Union. She was convicted in 1995, my youngest son was not even born yet.

            She is eligible for parole in 2024...in my opinion that nutcase should never be eligible for parole.

            • 4 votes
            #16.3 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:17 AM EST
            Tony Wlliams

            I remembered reading about it but couldn't remember her sentence and thought she got the death penalty. I was in Guam and getting ready to PCS to Turkey during that time. I remember thinking "How the hell could a mother do that?" and then telling myself I really didn't want to know the answer. If I could really understand it then it might have meant I'd spent to much time in the war zone. It would mean that I was losing my humanity and that is something I flatly refuse to do.

            I agree the sentence seems light but that's also when they transfer them into general population. Prisoners have their own system of justice when it comes to children. If they can go before a parole board and there is a chance they might be set free then the population will make sure it doesn't happen.

            • 1 vote
            #16.4 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:49 AM EST
            Ix chel

            Tony, the population doesn´t get any choice in whether she is set free or not only the victim´s family..in this case David Smith, their father has a say in that. I really feel for David, he didn´t mean to end up in the spotlight and he had no idea that she could kill her children. I just don´t understand why she didn´t just give them to their father if she didn´t want them anymore? I still get fumed over this as it was very close to me and I sat for hours at John D Long lake trying to understand or make sense of it. I had 3 children at the time and did not know I was pregnant with the 4th yet. I was beyond furious at her. She wasn´t even facing the death penalty though I guess the community just couldn´t deal with it which I understand. Anderson and Union are tiny communities where everyone knows everyone and everyone in the next town over as well.

            • 4 votes
            #16.5 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:56 AM EST
            Tony Wlliams

            I agree with what you said except the prison population does get to make one decision that the parole board doesn't. That being if she will live long enough to make into the parole board hearing room. Child rapist, child abusers, and child murders have a tendency to end up dead in the yard, the kitchen, and their cell within a month of their being placed there.

            Remember Dalmer? He is the one who went cannibal. They caved his head in during a work detail within days of his transfer. So they might not be able to grant a parole but they can make sure a person never makes it to the hearing.

            • 1 vote
            #16.6 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:05 AM EST
            Ix chel

            Tony, my understanding is she is not in the GP, but is in solitary. She has been in prison since 1995 so she isn´t going to be killed over what happened or that would have already occurred.

            • 3 votes
            #16.7 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:18 AM EST
            Tony Wlliams

            True but when they become eligible for parole they get moved into General Population. I guess it's their way of making sure you serve most of your sentence. From what I understand it is very very rare for them to keep someone in solitary after that point. The move happens sometime within 3 months of going before the board and it gives them a chance to see how they re-act to being around others again.

            • 1 vote
            #16.8 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:30 AM EST
            FredC

            I think he should get life and put into the general prison population. Convicts dont like "child killers'! He will get his punishment from them!

            • 3 votes
            #16.9 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:18 PM EST
            Reply
            goodneighbor

            I watched the videos this kid uploaded. He wasn't mentally ill. It's all sensible, but, dark, dark, dark use of an intelligent mind and education.

            One of the videos is actually self hypnosis. I think he planned this and I don't think he was alone in the plan. He's a Nazi.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#17 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:27 AM EST
            Ix chel

            indeed he is a Nazi, but I do think he was mentally ill. You can be mentally ill and still be able to rationalize and be very intelligent.

            • 3 votes
            #17.1 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:18 AM EST
            goodneighbor

            I study mental illness. I work with mental illness. This guy isn't mentally ill. That's an excuse. He is just pure evil. There's a difference

            • 4 votes
            #17.2 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:47 AM EST
            Tony Wlliams

            What ever you want to call it we do have a cure. It comes in a needle, an electric chair, firing squad, or the end of a rope. If AZ hasn't taken any of them of the books he can have his choice of how he wishes to be cured.

            • 1 vote
            #17.3 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:52 AM EST
            Ix chel

            Good neighbor, I have also studied 4 years of psychiatric illness and anyone who has studied it knows that you cannot make a dx on line of anything that is said in the media about another person, especially in the preliminary stages. The guy rambles and certainly shows signs of some sort of psychiatric disorder, though what it is cannot be determined without studying his case and him personally...it is professionally irresponsible for anyone to say anything like what you just said without actually having observed him up close and interviewing him various times.

            • 6 votes
            #17.4 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:58 AM EST
            Starseeker

            This is one of the best posts I have read in days. Give Ix a gold star.

            • 2 votes
            #17.5 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:27 AM EST
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            blackheywood

            Who expects him to cooperate, it is his right not to and I'm sure his attorney advised him not to.Which is the smartest thing to do. Jared is entitled to the best defense he can get. We are Americans and even the obvious guilty is entitled to a fair and unbiased trial. We should not behave as those who many believe inflammatory words helped cause this tragedy.We must all change our tone and rhetoric in debates.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#18 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:48 AM EST
            USA 1-1003451

            Same thing I was going to post. He has a right to keep quiet and the guy does not trust the government anyhow. Why would he be talking?

            He can be tried and convicted without him speaking a word. The problem is IF he is considered not capable of aiding in his own defence he might just be held at a mental facility for the rest of his life.

            • 4 votes
            #18.1 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:06 PM EST
            rsmith12345

            A few well-placed electric shocks to his testicles might get him to talk.

            • 2 votes
            #18.2 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:52 PM EST
            Ix chel

            rsmith, torture is not what the US is about and we don´t need to torture someone to get the facts about the case and people will tell you anything even a lie if it is what you want to hear when you are torturing him...what you want is the truth..not something you are told just to make you stop hurting the person involved. Furthermore, we don´t know all the details, this guy is apparently part of the whole detailed scheme and it is a sick situation and I am disgusted by all of this including the fact this was apparently because of nazism....but there was also someone else involved it seems so we have a lot yet to learn.

            • 2 votes
            #18.3 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:13 PM EST
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            goodneighbor

            If I'm wrong, and this is about drugs, what's his dealer putting in the pot these days, meth?

            • 1 vote
            Reply#19 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:41 PM EST
            rsmith12345

            < Dupnik said authorities were all but certain Loughner acted alone, saying "he's a typical troubled individual who's a loner." > 

            Oh really???  Most typical troubled loners don't go out and commit mass murder.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#20 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:50 PM EST
            goodneighbor

            I don't believe he acted alone. I don't believe that group he was associated with either. I think the secret service is short sighted about this

            • 1 vote
            Reply#21 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:56 PM EST
            Ix chel

            why don´t you believe he was associated with American Renaissance ? After all she was the first elected female Jewish person.

            • 2 votes
            #21.1 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:14 PM EST
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            Rodney E. Rhodan

            This kid don't same to have a mental problem, but a problem with drugs. He's a dope head, and had the same anti- government mentality as the republican radical right. This radical right insight the actions of these type people through words, then stand back and attempt to white wash their part in the insightment. Both the republicans and the tea-party, needs to be placed on the gpvernment terrorist watch list.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#22 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:34 PM EST
            rsmith12345

            He's not a kid, he's a man, and hopefully the justice system (and other inmates) will treat him like one.

            • 3 votes
            #22.1 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:13 PM EST
            IndependentVoter

            This was not a political act. It was not an act of terrorism. A terrorist kills people in order to spread terror for the purpose of effecting political change. Loughner was acting on the impulses of mental illness, not a desire for political change. His first encounter with Congresswoman Giffords pre-dated the Tea Parties. This didn't matter, though, to the left. There was a tragedy to be exploited, and time was wasted. Jared Loughner just had to be pinned on the very people who, just a bit over two months ago, delivered a historical political drubbing to the left.

            These accusations and assertions are not based on fact, but on a delusional belief that no liberal would ever be crazy enough to commit such a senseless act of murder.

            We have a YouTube channel of his featuring videos of flag burning. He has listed his favorite books as "Mein Kampf" and "The Communist Manifesto." If the guy was a Tea Partier (as the ObamaMedia has tried to claim), advocating total government control of industry, including heathcare, doesn't exactly sound like the limited government platform of the Tea Party movement. Then we have his obsession with mind control and grammar sounds more like a crazy than a political nut.

            • 4 votes
            #22.2 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:18 PM EST
            Stone5150

            They are just as many on the right claiming he is a left winger, he also was a big fan of Atlas Shrugged, a right wing staple.

            He is and should be labeled a domestic terrorist with no particular ties to anyone but maybe a neo-nazi group.

            • 2 votes
            #22.3 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:13 PM EST
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            goodneighbor

            His reference to 'grammar' is symbolic with a deeper meaning to it. It might represent how grammar is taught, how it is used or who is teaching it and the teacher's dept. I think as a reader, he was making a symbolic statement about value systems from what I read somewhere last night about his not believing in values and morals. ie to him, values and morals are 'mind control'. He is a warped philosopher and not mentally ill. Mental illness has nothing to do with personality disorders. Mental illness is when something is physically wrong with the brain and the connecting nervous system which does interfere with one's own mind control. This kid made choices. The proof of that is that he planned and executed his actions. If you want to blame it on schizo diseases, schizo's can't organize let alone plan and execute. They are random and less that 11% of schizos are toxic

            • 1 vote
            Reply#23 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:40 PM EST
            res0z0xh

            I have been reading comments and watching the news on the shooting in Arizona over the weekend. I have to agree with the Pima City law enforcement officer who spoke out. We all have the right to freedom of speech which is his right also. We may not agree with all that he said, but, those who are prominent on tv have web sites, need to listen to one thing I would hope that all of us would agree on, they need to pick and choose their words when they don't like what they see in this country. We are a great country, but there is to much trash talk going on and we need to bring our country back up and stop. Turn off the tv, change channels, that is what I do, particularly with a certain woman who seems to have insited so much bickering and fighting through out this country.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#24 - Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:38 PM EST
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