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Second wave of housing bust hammers more cities

Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:03 AM EST
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Alex Veiga, AP Business Writer
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<p>In this Jan. 4, 2011 photo, a sign shows that a new price is available on this town home for sale in in Pepper Pike, Ohio. Home prices are falling across most of America's largest cities, and average prices in eight major markets have hit their lowest point since the housing bust. (AP Photo/Amy Sancetta)</p>

In this Jan. 4, 2011 photo, a sign shows that a new price is available on this town home for sale in in Pepper Pike, Ohio. Home prices are falling across most of America's largest cities, and average prices in eight major markets have hit their lowest point since the housing bust. (AP Photo/Amy Sancetta)

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LOS ANGELES — A second wave of falling home prices is battering some cities that had escaped the worst of the housing market bust.

Prices in Seattle, Charlotte, N.C., and Portland, Ore., have hit their lowest points since peaking in 2006 and 2007. Denver and Minneapolis are nearing new lows. High unemployment and rising foreclosures are taking a toll even on markets that never overheated during the boom years.

Home values are dwindling in nearly every American market. Prices fell in November in all but one of the 20 cities in the Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller index released Tuesday. Eight of those markets hit their lowest point since the housing bubble burst.

The damage from the real estate bubble has spread well beyond Las Vegas, Phoenix and Miami, which built frantically during the mid-2000s, and is sapping prices from coast to coast. In many places, prices are expected to keep falling for at least the next six months.

In Charlotte, homes are going for 2004 prices. Last year, more than half of the homes sold in surrounding Mecklenberg County were foreclosures, says Mark Vitner, a senior economist with Wells Fargo.

"There's a huge oversupply, and a lot of people are struggling," says Vitner, who works in Charlotte. "We're expecting it to fall even further in 2011."

The banking industry, which helped Charlotte boom over the past two decades and accounts for roughly one in every 11 jobs there, was hit hard during the recession. The city lost 12 percent of its financial jobs in 2008 and 2009, according to the Labor Department.

Adding to the region's economic woes, about a third of jobs tied to the auto industry also vanished in the downturn, said Michael Walden, an economist at North Carolina State University in Raleigh. Charlotte's unemployment rate was 12.8 percent a year ago, well above the national rate. It has fallen to 10.8 percent, still more than twice what it was when the recession started.

"We're feeling it, there's no doubt about that," says Mike Shaffer, owner of Century 21 Southern Comfort Realty.

Of course, while foreclosures weaken resale values, they're great for renters who want to own a home. Robert Hubbard closed on Monday on a three-bedroom, two-bath house in Charlotte that he bought for about $79,000. While it takes some looking to find the right place, the market is "saturated" with foreclosures, he says.

In Seattle and Portland, the two largest cities in the Pacific Northwest, prices peaked in the summer of 2007 and have fallen back to 2005 levels.

Foreclosures were uncommon in Seattle until about a year ago. Now they're dragging prices down, says Jim Conlan, branch manager for Century 21 North Homes Realty Inc. Home prices in Seattle were down nearly 5 percent in November from a year earlier.

"They're the anchor on the market here that's keeping it from starting to appreciate," Conlan said.

As usual after the holidays, customer traffic at open houses is picking up, he says.

The region's economy grew rapidly from 2002 to 2007 as Boeing rebounded from the post-9/11 drop in aircraft production and tech companies recovered from the dot-com bust. The region expanded at a faster clip than the rest of the country, attracting more people and lifting home prices.

"We had a bubble thing going on like everyone else," says Dick Conway, an economic consultant based in the city.

The region was damaged by the recession. One in every three construction jobs vanishes. Washington Mutual, the nation's largest thrift, collapsed and took 3,500 jobs with it. Seattle unemployment jumped from 4.1 percent in December 2007, when the recession began, to 9.1 percent in November 2010.

Portland home prices have suffered from historically low timber yields and deep cuts within so-called Silicon Forest high-tech companies.

And while Seattle's two biggest employers, Boeing and Microsoft, haven't laid off many workers, they won't need as many new people as the economy improves, Conway says. During the recovery after the 2001 recession, Boeing was a major job generator, directly or indirectly creating 65,000 jobs.

But in this recovery, "it's going to be closer to zero," Conway said.

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AP Real Estate Writer Derek Kravitz in Washington contributed to this report.

© 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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ffeineandsugar

One side note: people are missing the effect this has on local and state governmnets that are dependent on property tax revenues. If the assessments come in lower, then revenues drop accordingly. Ouch.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:28 AM EST
johnny55

Home prices are still a bubble compared to historic norm. According to case shiller index, we are still 20% above long term averages. Typical bottom comes at 20% below average. But this is not your typical recession. This is a deflationary crash. This is Great Depression material. These averages themselves are based on a money supply that was inflated by borrowing for many decades. When the money supply deflates, existing prices and salaries cannot be sustained:

www.kondratieffwavecycle.com/housing-bubble-bust/

Whatever you do, do not get into debt. If you want to buy, buy cash down. Even if prices do not fall, in many cases, rent is cheaper if you consider mortgage interest, property taxes, hoa fees, maintenance, lost interest/investment income...

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:44 AM EST
radar015

I remember when the price of sugar soared and Coca Cola raised its price accordingly. When the price of sugar later dropped to what it once was, the price of Coca Cola stayed up to what they made their price which they blamed on the increase in the price of sugar. The same thing will happen with property taxes. Property taxes will go up accordingly, blamed on the drop in real estate. But when the real estate goes back up again later, the tax rates will not come down. This is a windfall for the tax man.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:01 AM EST
Rickeroo

Indeed, with property assessments double or triple for the 6 or 7 boom years, these towns and cities should be awash in cash and their streets should be paved with gold.

Don't buy a house for more than 2x household income, ever.

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:05 AM EST
Davy-755715

We're finally getting wages and benefits rolled down to the global standard, and housing prices are dropping?! Who'da thunk it...

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:57 PM EST
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Matti Viikate

I personally take these kind of things as a good buying opportunities, that is when they also are. That is not always the case on these.

For those who owe money to a bank or somewhere else on they're home, these can be bad. That is especially if the capability to pay is very near to the limit.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:29 AM EST
Nick46

If the assessments come in lower, then revenues drop accordingly. Ouch.

No the revenues won't drop. They will just raise the rate. As with anything else the price will continue to rise with no thought of what happens when the bucks stops a the consumer. You can't keep raising the price of things because the average person has limited financial resources.

Groceries, home insurance, car insurance, gasoline, utilities, etc have doubled or more in the last few years. How much has the average paycheck increased?

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:11 AM EST
ThortonMelon

God bless Barney Frank and Chris Dodd for all their past work on loans for the less fortunate. Their fine works and these results will forever be felt by Americans in their hearts and wallets. Long live Fannie and Freddie.

Thanks guys ! Now everyone to Barney's house for a basement party.

It's BYOB.

Bring Your Own Boy.

  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:32 AM EST
Brad-436809

Housing prices are still inflated and until banks mark to market, at the very least, to the 1990 level, foreclosures and weak housing sales will continue.

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:43 AM EST
Lakewood Citizen

great. guess I'll be living in a starter home forever.

  • 1 vote
Reply#6 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:55 AM EST
J Mares

And to think people, that was all brought on by the Federal Reserve,and those greedy bankers. When we need regulations the Gubbment is no where around,but try to live your life like a free person and see what happens.

  • 1 vote
Reply#7 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:09 PM EST
werinasadstate

I just sold my home in a San Diego suburb and the sales price was 6.5% higher than what I paid for it exactly one year earlier! :-) Don't always believe what the media says - real estate markets are very individualized and the media likes to put a blanket spin to everything. This actually compounds the problem infinitely!

  • 2 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:02 PM EST
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