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In sign of growth, businesses are borrowing again

Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:42 AM EST
us-news, us, loans, ralph-lauren, bank-loans, martin-foil
Pallavi Gogoi, AP Business Writers
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This photo provided by Tuscarora Yarns, Inc, shows Martin B. Foil, Jr CEO and Chairman of the Board of Tuscarora Yarns, Inc. Foil's business, which sells yarn that winds up in clothes from the Gap, Ralph Lauren and American Apparel, is growing. He's buying new machines and hopes to hire as many as 200 workers this year. (AP Photo/Tuscarora Yarns, Inc,)

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— Martin Foil's company sells yarn that winds up in clothes from the Gap, Ralph Lauren and American Apparel, and business is growing. He's buying new machines and hopes to hire as many as 200 workers this year.

When he decided to expand into a shuttered yarn factory in North Carolina, he borrowed $11 million recently from Wells Fargo to buy it.

"It was a Hanes factory that was closed for a couple of years and had some good equipment — we knew we could crank up that place," said Foil, who also used the loan to buy equipment and another factory in South Carolina. "We have the advantage of being stronger at a time when others aren't."

Now that demand is up and business is finally improving for many companies, they're doing what they always do at the beginning of an expansion — calling the bank and asking for a loan.

And in a stark contrast to the depths of the financial crisis, the banks are saying yes.

In the last three months of 2010, U.S. Bancorp wrote $8 billion in new business loans, the most in two years. JPMorgan Chase added 400 midsize companies as clients. And bank loans overall grew for the first time in two years, according to the Federal Reserve.

"Companies are talking about growth in ways they haven't for three years," says Perry Pelos, head of Wells Fargo's commercial banking.

Loans are one of the best gauges of economic growth. Small and midsize businesses that form the backbone of the U.S. economy take them out to pay for business needs — unlike big corporations, which go to the bond markets for low-cost debt.

Borrowing by smaller companies is being watched especially closely because it may indicate those companies are preparing to hire. So far, the economic recovery hasn't been accompanied by job growth. Small companies created about three of every five new jobs over the past two decades.

Those companies took a pummeling during the recession. Bankruptcies skyrocketed and led to massive job cuts. Firms employing fewer than nine people accounted for more than half the jobs lost in the first quarter of 2010, just after the recession technically ended, according to the Labor Department.

Many small businesses blame banks for making matters worse by pulling back credit dramatically after the financial crisis.

Vu Thai, president of Efficient Lighting of Buena Park, Calif., wanted more space to house his energy-efficient light bulbs and fixtures at the end of 2008. "Nobody would lend to us," Thai says.

But demand for Thai's bulbs increased, and he snagged Home Depot as a customer last year, sending sales up 10 percent. In December, Thai secured a $100,000 loan to install racks and other equipment in his new warehouse. He bought the space with another loan of $1.6 million taken jointly from Bank of America and a government program for small businesses.

In another hopeful sign, about 75 percent of the loans taken out in the last three months were to pay for mergers and acquisitions. That shows that companies that can afford it are buying up weaker competitors as they prepare for growth in the months ahead.

"After surviving a brutal recession, companies are starting to look around them for opportunities to get stronger," says Laura Whitley, an executive at Bank of America's global commercial banking business.

Still, while many companies have opened up lines of credit, many aren't using them yet, reflecting their hesitation. About 25 percent of small businesses applied to renew a credit line in 2010, while only 13 percent tried to get a business loan, according to the National Federation of Independent Business.

U.S. Bancorp CEO Richard Davis says he's watching closely to see how many companies dip into their lines of credit for cash. He said in a recent conference call that nearly half of the bank's customers, a record, don't use their lines of credit at all.

The companies that were the first to apply for a line of credit were those that hunkered down the most during the recession because of massive sales declines, but were now suddenly experiencing sales growth.

For instance, manufacturers of plastic containers and packages saw sales increase about 5 percent in 2010 after a 16 percent decline in 2009. They nearly doubled their credit lines, to about 2.8 percent of their assets, according to SageWorks, a firm that analyzes financial trends at private companies. .

One such company is Pyrotek of Spokane, Wash., whose primary customers are car parts manufacturers. Pyrotek, which makes materials to handle aluminum at high temperatures, saw sales plummet 40 percent at the depths of the recession, and it cut staff.

The company's chief operating officer, Don Ting, says car sales finally grew last year. His customers started ordering more after a year-long hiatus, and Ting hired back most of his employees. He recently increased his available credit with Wells Fargo by more than $10 million.

"We're not losing money anymore, nor are we back to 2008," he says, "but we are in a better place."

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Pint3369

Great news!! I hope it continues to improve!

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:17 AM EST
lessthan60morethan59

The company I work for will be moving into a larger building this summer and expects to almost double the number of employees. Things are starting to look up.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:32 AM EST
Pint3369

Nice lessthan60!!, its good to hear some good news instead of all the bad/negative stuff all the time.

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:55 AM EST
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Nicey-1026620

Oh, so, when the debt collapses again, we can be expected to help bail out banks right?

In this example, we have a smaller business. Not such a problem, the problem is the Mega Multinationals with Financial Arms who over reach with debt borrowing and then somehow act like American citizens are the only ones irresponsible when it comes to debt.

    Reply#3 - Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:58 AM EST
    an der Lahn

    The collapse didn't happen because small businesses decided to take out loans to expand their business. It happened because a lot of bad mortgages were granted to people who couldn't pay them back then sold with no liability one the people who originated the mortgage.

    If a business wants to take out a loan or issue debt to expand - now is a really good time to do it.

    • 4 votes
    #3.1 - Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:23 AM EST
    Nicey-1026620

    The collapse didn't happen because small businesses decided to take out loans to expand their business.

    That's not what I said.

    What did I say about small businesses. "Not such a problem." In fact, small businesses should be the ones getting the most access. Not mega businesses.

    That is a problem. Mega businesses do not create as many jobs as small businesses. Small business access is pathetic these days. And equally pathetic is the governments help to them. Much of that incentive, tax help, etc goes to extremely large businesses.

    It happened because a lot of bad mortgages were granted to people who couldn't pay them back then sold with no liability one the people who originated the mortgage.

    It was an "inverse debt pyramid"

    Granted, the bottom does have to collapse in order for it to happen, but what matters is the size of the investments built on it that make it such a problem. If it was "just a housing collapse" it would not have been nearly the same issue.

    The fact is, "mega banks" are very much responsible for all of that.

    As you equally blame people who "couldn't pay their mortgages" you have to equally blame banks who didn't stop loaning.

    People had incentive to buy (cheap money), banks had various incentive to lend (MBS, CDS, Securitization, Investors who wanted returns, The government facilitation of loans). Neither of them are exempt.

    Just because you have incentive doesn't mean anyone forced you to do something. And then when you measure what people spent, compared to what banks spent, it's not even close.

    And before we even get into a discussion on blame here...

    http://c0182732.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/fcic_final_report_conclusions.pdf

    The FCIC concluded beyond a shadow of a doubt CRA had almost nothing to do with what happened. CRA loans accounted for 6%, of at risk low income loans. *What about the other 94%*

    They were made without requirement. And not only that, they were also 2X as likely to fail as a CRA qualified loan in the same neighborhoods. Which means the banks lowered standards even farther than required for the other 94% of low income loans.

    Fannie and Freddie also "followed private practices" - It's really hard to sit there and say Fannie and Freddie set things up. They didn't. The private sector formulated the securitization process on which they made immense amounts of money on fees. They are the leaders, Fannie and Freddie set no guidelines. In fact, their mandate is to follow the private business practice standards in the market.

    Not only this, but simple math. The entire mortgage market is about 5% subprime and 95% prime. Even in the peak year (2006), only 20% of all new loans were subprime. Which meant the vast majority of new loans from 1998-2006 were prime loans. And prime loans defaulted more than subprime and in more value during the crisis because they are inherently larger loans.

    Private banks loaned well beyond insanity. And it wasn't required. There was incentive, and just like anyone with incentive in front of them, they are responsible for decisions made from incentive.

    Someone offers me $50 bucks to jump from a bridge. I'm responsible. Banks are too.

    http://www.rics.org/site/download_feed.aspx?fileID=6979&fileExtension=PDF

    The global credit crunch, and subsequent economic crisis, was, in the final analysis, triggered by real estate and the bursting of an asset price bubble. This of itself would not have been catastrophic had property not been abused through unwise leadership and the application of game theory to risk management, leading to the creation of an inverse pyramid of debt and insurance products which Warren Buffet so eloquently described as “financial weapons of mass destruction”.

    Investors demanded returns with *no risk*

    The banking sector saught to make that happen by using mortgages as a base for other investment vehicles. The formulation of these vehicles applied game theory incorrectly to financial instruments in order to basically make all investments good. Couple this with leadership that was not interested in whether or not the practices were sustainable or even to the point of being aware of how their banks did business.

    Banks took about a 5 trillion dollar base growth from over 8 years or so and transformed it into about 200-250 trillion dollar growth of "investment vehicles" - You're only going to look at the 5 trillion?

    If a business wants to take out a loan or issue debt to expand - now is a really good time to do it.

    I'm wary of big businesses doing exactly what they did last time. Take on too much debt and then force us to pay for it.

    You think consumer debt is large? It's nothing compared to financial business debt, which is the largest debt operator in existence. Bigger than the US government in it's entirety (even including full liability at 15 trillion right now), Bigger than the US consumer, Bigger than all other US corporations combined.

      #3.2 - Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:59 AM EST
      an der Lahn

      What if I offered $100 bucks to jump off a bridge and you could pay it back interest only for the next 5 years then a lump sum balloon payment of $2000.

      I could put that on my books as huge gains even with righting off 20% deadbeats that will never pay me back. I would be a super financier for thinking up of such a scheme and receive a record bonus.

      The only thing I didn't think about is no one would be around to pay me back after jumping off the bridge. My super spreadsheet wouldn't let me divide by 0.

      The cause of this crisis is obviously Microsoft for making an inferior spreadsheet.

      If you look at total outstanding loans for all business - yes it is too big to comprehend. Most of that is very short term debt however and turns over sometimes on a daily basis.

      If your worried about big business long term debt - then let the bond markets take care of that. They tend to have a good record with testing limits and pricing.

      • 1 vote
      #3.3 - Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:15 PM EST
      Nicey-1026620

      What if I offered $100 bucks to jump off a bridge and you could pay it back interest only for the next 5 years then a lump sum balloon payment of $2000.

      I could put that on my books as huge gains even with righting off 20% deadbeats that will never pay me back. I would be a super financier for thinking up of such a scheme and receive a record bonus.

      The only thing I didn't think about is no one would be around to pay me back after jumping off the bridge. My super spreadsheet wouldn't let me divide by 0.

      The cause of this crisis is obviously Microsoft for making an inferior spreadsheet.

      If you look at total outstanding loans for all business - yes it is too big to comprehend. Most of that is very short term debt however and turns over sometimes on a daily basis.

      A lot of bank debt is short term, but more is long.

      http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/results/statemnt.aspx?lstStatement=Balance&Symbol=US%3aWFC&stmtView=Qtr

      Total long term debt 156 billion, Short term 55 billion.

      And everything above still points to financial entities being entirely responsible for engineering ridiculous amounts of instruments to generate fees all in an effort to satisfy investor demand for returns.

      It's the same reason they lowered capital reserves. Investors saw billions and billions sitting in the safe short term cash and said "hey, that's not earning money"

      If your worried about big business long term debt - then let the bond markets take care of that. They tend to have a good record with testing limits and pricing.

      The bond markets did take care of it. By demanding the default of AIG, WellsFargo, Washington Mutual, GE, GM, Citi, Bank of America, Lehman, Bear Sterns, Meril Lynch, and so and so forth.

      But that doesn't matter so much when you can manipulate and interfere.

      • 1 vote
      #3.4 - Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:32 PM EST
      an der Lahn

      I don't think we are too far apart on this - we could eventually work things out I'm sure....

      but I do think it is a nice story this very young looking "Jr CEO" is reading to borrow and expand.

      • 1 vote
      #3.5 - Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:52 PM EST
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      wbbtexas

      Things are ON COURSE to Begin Improving Rapidly in Coming Months. I'm Predicting a Million New Hires or Recalls before the End of 2011, and MORE in 2012. Things are Fixing to Seriously Improve.

      The ONE Caveat to My Predictions is: ALL this is SO, UNLESS the Republicans Shut DOWN the Government Like they Did in 1995. THAT time Delayed Our Economic Expansion by a FULL Year, and THIS Time, I'm Afraid it May WELL Hurl us Back into a Declining Situation for a Long While.

      DON'T Let Them DO IT!

      Or we will ALL Be Sorry!

      • 1 vote
      Reply#4 - Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:03 AM EST
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