Natalie Portman 'disgusted' by Galliano's remarks

Well...........apparently saying he loved Hitler was NOT the only thing he said

""People like you would be dead. Your mothers, your forefathers, would all be f****** gassed.""
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3436757/Film-of-John-Gallianos-racist-rant-in-bar.html

Right there on video, hard to miss.

I know K--I saw the whole thing on CNN--and that was apparently from a previous incident caught on video at the same cafe. What's wrong with that man? He's definitely not all there upstairs, if ya get my drift...

Give 'em beer & booze and they'll show u who they r !

Sounds like Mr Galliano is Mr Mel Gibson

booze, drugs or whatever.....no excuse

Natalie Portman kudos!

I'm actually really glad that she 'boycotted' him. Usually hollywood stars don't want to say anything to get caught up in that sort of situation and try to keep everyone happy. Instead of trying to play the nice girl saying things like 'poor guy, he needs help' and 'he needs to go to rehab'.

Randi2--

Given Portman's great-grandparents died in Auschwitz, I don't think she would support Galliano now.

Kshark I would not be surprised if she smacked the crap out of him were he to show his face.

Dear Friend CynicL1: Well said.

G-d bless, Enoch.

Definately a drunken fool! Honestly, people just don't think. Especially those in the limelight. Shut your pie hole people! If you don't have anything nice to say..shut the hell up!!!

Hey Cynic and Enoch!!! :-)

Ugh, there is actual video available courtesy of CNN where it is clear what this scumbag of a designer is saying--and it appears to be from an earlier incident at the same parisian cafe.

I'm not going to post it because it upset me so much--but the man is scum!!! He should be ashamed of himself and just go and crawl into the deepest hole in Earth never to be seen again. It's people like him that make this world worse.

What a way to fast-track the demise of your career. Dumb ass..

Enoch Blessings on you my friend, Nikita Hi kiddo! Mommy LK hows the wee sprout doing? And a Wave & Smile to Yadda!

In an odd mood this morning, after visiting the Surgeon I got bad news/good news. I don't GET to go back to work for another month/I don't HAVE to go back to work for another month! Another month of physical terrorism..

What's up Cynic? Can you share some details?

Hi Nikita I had two rotator cuff surgeries last year one in April and another in December, two different tears 3 cm each. Been off work on disability since December. Rehap is going well actually but the Doc is being conservative due to the amount of damage he found. Just years of abuse catching up with me! Note to the young guys out there, you are NOT superman what you do in your Twenties WILL come back to haunt you in your Fifties. Trust me on this one.

Ouch! I have a friend who just went through that surgery. Well I sure hope you heal up quick and you are at 100% very soon

I had to chuckle at your last few sentences..hehe.

<G> I hope at least some of them listen.

actually enigma it has been the progressives doing that.

hitler credited the progressive instituted eugenics program with giving him his inspiration.

enough said.

or do you even know what the eugenics program was?

regardless.....princess amedila was right.

Yup james, a really good book that shows Liberal historical revisionism and how the right has "always" stopped them. "Who Killed the Constitution?: The Fate of American Liberty from World War I to Barack Obama by Gutzman and Woods"

enigma--

Thank the Republicans and Tea Baggers for diluting and re-writing history.

TROLLING!!!!

What the hell do the Republicans and Tea Party have to do with any of this story??

reported!

Wow. It's amazing how people can take an article about an obnoxious fashionisto and turn it into a political rant. Take is somewhere else Daniel.

thank you yadda yadda...

I'm kinda embarassed that my comment sparked such a ridiculous argument. Turning the atrocity of Hitler's attempted genocide into an debate over whether liberals or conservatives had more influence is @!$%#in stupid...

Daniel A. Hallo--

Reported again for massive off topic and inflammatory remarks.

Please, what was Hitler but a political subversive overthrow of a Democratic country into Right-Wing authoritarianism, and do you always censor what you don't want anyone to talk about by telling them to go away?

So Why is that?

..and do you always censor what you don't want anyone to talk about by telling them to go away?

Dude, if you want to talk politics and Hitler's place in that overall scheme, write you own effin' article then. THIS article is about a moron named John Galliano.

Hey Daniel....it's off topic, but since you brought it up....You do realize it was Democratic Civil War Veterans who founded the KKK, and their original targets were Republicans and Blacks.

Yup indeed the Republicans were the Party of Desegregation and the Southern Democrats the party of the landed slave owners. It wasn't until the 1960's that they flipped places and the Dixiecrats, like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, switched to the Republican Party which took on the mantle of the anti civil rights side.

This is dumb... what it was to be a democrat or republican in the 19th century has no bearing on what it means today.

Company policy? How about human decency? Freedom of speech is not the same in France as it is here. On the other hand we were never occupied by the Nazis, and none of us who lived here were sent to a death camp by them. That tends to leave some emotional scars, and that in turn tends to produce an unforgiving attitude toward those who spread hateful intolerant ideas.

But despite French laws about prohibited Nazi speech, no one has said he is being prosecuted by the law. He is only being sanctioned by his employer and by the society that rejects his kind of bigotry. And that is not an issue of free speech. Speech is never really free because it has social consequences. The concept of free speech only protects the speaker from the government. It does not protect him from society.

Um... wow, I don't know what to say to your comment, littlechanges, other than people deserve to be treated with respect, and to make such a crass, tactless remark is well, completely rude. Especially in these contemporary times of ours. No tragedy should be taken lightly. I'm glad Ms. Portman has taken a stand... Everyone should. This is wrong no matter how you slice it.

As for the man being currently suspended--heck, if I were his employer, he would've been summarily fired no matter what he said, effective immediately. There is no room in this planet for people who adore men of the likes of Adolph Hitler.

littlechanges, I was wondering when someone to bring up "freedom of speech" and it didn't take long. No matter what the French law is, this cretin's employer chooses not to have Nazi sympathizers in prominent positions where their viewpoints are likely to offend customers and thus affect the bottom line. Does that make it any easier for you to understand? I prefer to think that Dior took a principled stand, but even if it was profit-based, I'm glad the guy is losing his job.

I think we now know what they think of it, he was fired.

Omg..."Professional Hari Kari"...I love it! so true!!!

Absolutely good for her. She will have no problem getting top designers now. She does not need that drunken fool. Hopefully other celebrities will follow suit and refuse to wear any of his designs.

Details, details Demo. ;-)

So are you saying that being drunk is a green light to say anything without repercussions?

Quite frankly my friends have been quite drunk and none of them have ever in their lives said they love Hitler.

Your comment is completely different than this drunk escapade given you were in a bar with your gf and a black man came up and made an inappropriate comment. Hitler as been dead since 1945. He did not come up to anyway to necessitate someone saying they love him.

No I'm not saying It's a green light, What I'm saying is that everyone has said or done SOMETHING rude or offensive while drinking (this guys just happened to be a hitler comment). Thats why I said to see if that really is his opinion or if he has made comment like that while sober. Who knows he may not even remember making the comment depending on how much he had. Yes he should be embarrassed and feel ashamed, but @!$%# happens. If you made an offensive comment on your own time should you be suspended or fired from your job for it? Of course not, and I'm quite sure most people would be suing their employer for wrongful dismissal.

Not to mention, even if he actually does feel that way, as offensive as the comment is, he is entitled to his opinion and to feel anyway he likes. Taking away his right to say what he wants is the first step to taking away everyones rights to speak their mind.

Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely without censorship or limitation, or both as stated in the 1st and 14th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, to express information, ideas, and opinions free of government restrictions based on content.

A FREE PRESS, WHICH leads to an informed populace, is essential to liberty. As Thomas Jefferson put it:

The basis of our government being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate for a moment to prefer the latter.

Censorship is the suppression of speech or other communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the general body of people.

Again your drunk comment cannot even relate to what Galliano said.

Sorry two cannot compare.

Not to mention, even if he actually does feel that way, as offensive as the comment is, he is entitled to his opinion and to feel anyway he likes. Taking away his right to say what he wants is the first step to taking away everyones rights to speak their mind.

No he actually is not. This happened in France, not the US. US Freedom of Speech does not apply to Europe or France in this case.

European Law: antisemitism/anti-Jewish comments are not allowed.

And he said a LOT more than just saying I love Hitler as I posted above.

i do not agree with what you have to say, but i'll defend to the death your right to say it...voltaire

jamithy, have you ever heard the expression "in vino veritas"? Look it up and examine your conscience a little more deeply. And what is the point of commenting on the U.S. Constitution/Bill of Rights when discussing an incident which occurred in France involving French citizens? Are you suggesting that our laws apply worldwide? In any event, there are many examples in our own country of employers firing people for statements they find offensive to their customers. That pitcher for Atlanta who made racist remarks in Sports Illustrated is one. He was perfectly free to have any viewpoint he wishes, but the Braves rightly decided that he could not use their organization as a springboard for his racism. (In other words, SI would not have quoted the guy had he not been a player.)

No he actually is not. This happened in France, not the US. US Freedom of Speech does not apply to Europe or France in this case.

European Law antisemitism/anti-Jewish is not allowed.

actually here are articles 18 and 19 from the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights..... to which France is a signatory and it was in fact drafted in Paris France....

Article 18.

• Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

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Article 19.

• Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

I commented on The US declaration because it makes a statement clearly and is held true by basically every civilized Western country, including France as you can see by their signing of the UN declaration quoted above.

jamithy, have you ever heard the expression "in vino veritas"?

yes and I have also heard of "beer goggles". if "in vino veritas" were true in all cases then that would mean all those people who regret sleeping with a quasimodo after a few too many drinks are all secretly attracted to ugly people?.... I don't think so. Sometimes a dumb comment is just that.... a simple dumb comment.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm ok then

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayssot_Act

Sorry but what you pointed out does NOT talk about Holocaust or Nazism. Which are a completely different category.

Go look up Holocaust Denial and Nazism laws in Europe.

Plus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_France

The penal code

France's penal code forbids any private defamation of a person or group for belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or for having a handicap (Article R. 624-3). The penal code forbids any private insult toward a person or group for belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or for having a handicap (Article R. 624-4). The penal code forbids any private incitement to discrimination or to hatred or violence against a person or group for belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or for having a handicap (Article R. 625-7).[2]

And then on this page of Google
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=France+Penal+Code+Article+R.+624-4&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.1,or.&fp=19d8439716407a1a

Go down the 3rd from the bottom link where it says NATIONS. The link leads to a doc of France Penal Codes looking like this

"
International Convention on the Elimination
of All Forms of
Racial DiscriminationDistr.
GENERAL
CERD/C/FRA/17 19
16 December 2009
ENGLISH
Original: FRENCH
COMMITTEE ON THE ELIMINATION
OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION
REPORTS SUBMITTED BY STATES PARTIES UNDER ARTICLE 9
OF THE CONVENTION
Seventeenth, eighteenth and nineteenth periodic reports
of States parties due in 2008*
France**, ***
[11 March 2009]"

I called the guy a dumb N***er.... Do I actually feel that way about black people?

Of course you do. Otherwise you NEVER would have said something so stupid, drunk or not. Also, when a person does make such a statement, drunk or otherwise, they would be naive not to expect some sort of ramification. You're damned lucky you didn't get your teeth knocked out.

Galliano is losing his job, and he should. Dior can't afford to have such a moron working for them. If they allowed him to retain his employment, they would lose a hell of a lot of money and the reputation of their company would be severely damaged.

France's penal code forbids any private defamation of a person or group for belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or for having a handicap (Article R. 624-3). The penal code forbids any private insult toward a person or group for belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or for having a handicap (Article R. 624-4). The penal code forbids any private incitement to discrimination or to hatred or violence against a person or group for belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or for having a handicap (Article R. 625-7).[2]

except for the fact that his comment did not breach those subjects. Saying "I love Hitler" is not defaming anyone or discriminating against anyone nor is it anti-semitic or denying the Holocaust. It may very well imply that he holds those opinions but he did not express them, he simply made the comment "I love hitler" which he is completely free to do.

I can't stand pro-lifers who call women who get abortions "murderers"... I find that offensive. I also find people who blab their religious beliefs in public offensive, but do I think that any thing they say about their personal feelings on these matters should be banned just because it offends me? NO! because there are plenty of opinions that I have that I'm sure some people would find offensive but I still want the right to say them.

Mongolians view Genghis Khan as a National hero and he made Adolf Hitler look like an amateur when it came to holocausts but they don't ban all mention of him.

Of course you do. Otherwise you NEVER would have said something so stupid, drunk or not. Also, when a person does make such a statement, drunk or otherwise,

No actually I don't, do a little research about alcohol and its affect on the brain. And as forgetting my teeth knocked out, its he who is fortunate given his offensive comment was the instigator to my somewhat inebriated response.

My point is that I don't have to agree with the guys comment and neither do you, but you should be damned ready to uphold his right to say and think it. Because eventually it will be something you say that get banned next. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

For people who live in a country where they demand and get the right to say whatever they like, offensive or not, You are sure quick to condemn someone else for speaking their mind just because they don't happen to be in the US.

What a joke.

Ridiculous no one attempted to supress his right to free speech, I'm sure he could say it again if he liked. He learned the hard way that just because you have the right to say something, does not mean you should say it. Dior also has a right to hire or terminate the employment of those people they feel properly or does not properly represent their company. Being drunk is not a valid excuse, being a drunken idiot spouting off antisemitism is definitely not a valid excuse and does not properly represent the best interests of the company he works for.

Well said taao!! Well said!!!

I think your opinion might differ if you were fired for something you said on your own time that someone caught on tape and posted to youtube. I'm pretty sure you would be filing that lawsuit pretty soon afterwards.

No my opinion would not differ...mommy and daddy actually did teach me that it is I that am accountable for my own words and deeds. Don't presume to know me, or to attempt use me to justify your own weak arguments. You do not know me well enough to judge me either way.

I think your opinion might differ if you were fired for something you said on your own time that someone caught on tape and posted to youtube

"Macaca"?

Ooops thanks Nikita.

After reading these posts, I had to see a video of Galliano's slur.

He was one drink away from unconsciousness! No doubt, he's a jerk, but should we give any credibility to his comments (or acknowledge them)? The troubled man needs to detoxify his body and soul.

Never heard of him before and hopefully this is the last time I'll ever think about him.

but you should be damned ready to uphold his right to say and think it.

Ah, no. He can think whatever the heck he wants to. I really don't care. But according to French law, he does not have the right to say whatever the heck he wants to.

according to international law... he does. It is a basic HUMAN right.

And my biggest problem is that so many Americans are so quick to jump on the band wagon and applaud his firing, when they so vehemently protect and exercise their freedom of speech... They should be condemning it. But then thats the typical response from people isn't it? They are fine with it as long as its something they personally agree with or that benefits them, but if its something they dislike or that offends them then they are quick to stomp on someone elses rights

and if anti semitic statements are illegal in france, (which i dont believe his were) then everyone who has made an anti-muslim comment including all their politicians lately should be fired.... because arabs are semitic peoples as well.

I think the guy is low class, but so what, so are the majority of people you meet everyday rich and poor.

And my biggest problem is that so many Americans are so quick to jump on the band wagon and applaud his firing,

Firing him was a sound business decision. That is what it boils down to. I'm not saying he shouldn't say what he wants, but if he does he'd better understand that there are going to be repercussions. Just because you can say a thing doesn't necessarily mean you should.

according to international law... he does.

Oh, ok...so let's let international law just trump the laws of every country? No, not gonna happen.

More ridiculous posting from jamithy1. Its a moot point the French government has already stated he was in violation of their laws, when you live in or visit another country you are to abide by the laws of that land...end of story. You wish not to, then do not live or visit there period.

I think the guy is low class, but so what, so are the majority of people you meet everyday rich and poor.

I am pretty sure I have filled my daily quota and obligation in that regards today. I cannot speak for him/her but I am fairly certain Yadda has as well.

the French government has already stated he was in violation of their laws

we will see. It's the Courts that decide if he violated the law, not police, not politicians and not employers

We already have seen, you choose not to. Its a matter of reality versus fantasy.

According to the article, this was not a one-time incident.

She is a class act Kevin. See we CAN agree on some things. :-)

CynicL

Of course. We are reasonable people (who both happen to like Natalie Portman).

Ooh..have to disagree. I do enjoy a nice glass of wine.

Reds are good for your heart in moderation. Everything in moderation is key!!

Give me a nice dry Red (love Bordeaux wines, particularly Medoc and St. Emelion but I digress).

Moderation in all things, including moderation! Hey you need to let loose once and a while.

Maybe not...he could have made stylish Nazi uniforms.