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PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama shies away from protests

Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:25 AM EST
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Sam Hananel, Associated Press
AP Correspondent Scott Bauer reports Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker fulfilled his promise to swiftly sign the measure stripping public employees of most bargaining rights.
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<p>Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker speaks about the budget bill at a signing ceremony Friday, March 11, 2011, in Madison, Wis. (AP Photo/Morry Gash)</p>

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker speaks about the budget bill at a signing ceremony Friday, March 11, 2011, in Madison, Wis. (AP Photo/Morry Gash)

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WASHINGTON — Union leaders urged Vice President Joe Biden during a White House meeting last month to go to Wisconsin and rally the faithful in their fight against Gov. Scott Walker's move to curtail collective bargaining rights for most public employees.

Request rebuffed, they asked for Labor Secretary Hilda Solis.

So far, however, the White House has stayed away from any trips to Madison, the state capital, or other states in the throes of union battles. The Obama administration is treading carefully on the contentious political issue that has led to a national debate over the power that public sector unions wield in negotiating wages and benefits.

A few labor leaders have complained openly that President Barack Obama is ignoring a campaign pledge he made to stand with unions; most others say his public comments have been powerful enough.

The stakes are high as Obama looks toward a grueling re-election campaign. Republicans have begun airing television ads linking Obama to "union bosses" standing in the way of budget cuts in Wisconsin, Ohio and other states.

As a candidate, Obama seemed to promise more to organized labor, among the Democratic Party's most loyal constituencies.

"If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I'm in the White House, I'll put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself," Obama said at a speech in 2007. "I'll walk on that picket line with you as president of the United States of America because workers deserve to know that somebody is standing in their corner."

Rose Ann DeMoro, executive director of National Nurses United, the nation's largest nurses union, called Obama "largely a bystander" in the debate over collective bargaining. "I think we're feeling a sense of betrayal from him and not liking it much," she said.

Doug Schoen, a Democratic political strategist, said Obama's strategy seems to be "keep your distance, avoid direct engagement, say most of the right things most of the time, and hope for resolution through sources other than your own."

Walker on Friday signed a bill that strips most collective bargaining rights from the state's public workers, except police and firefighters. The measure passed the Legislature following more than three weeks of protests that drew tens of thousands of people to the state Capitol in opposition. The governor had announced his plan on Feb. 11, saying his state was broke and there was no point negotiating with the unions when there was nothing to offer.

The request for Biden to travel to Wisconsin came from Gerald McEntee, president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, according to two union officials familiar with the Feb. 24 meeting. The officials requested anonymity because the meeting was private.

Five days later, during the AFL-CIO winter meeting, McEntee told Obama senior adviser David Plouffe that unions wanted more than words, the officials said. McEntee told Plouffe they wanted a high-profile emissary to stand with protesters to show that the president was by their side.

A spokesman for McEntee, Gregory King, declined comment on the substance of the private meetings, but said the union is "pleased with the support we've received from the Obama administration."

Biden's press secretary, Elizabeth Alexander, declined to elaborate on Biden's discussions with union leaders or say why he had not gone to Madison. She said Biden was "obviously very supportive" of labor, had a long history of fighting for collective bargaining rights and, along with Obama, has been "very involved in what has been going on in Wisconsin both privately and publicly from day one."

Obama has called Walker's proposal an "assault on unions" and urged governors not to vilify public workers. After the state Senate relied on a procedural move Thursday to pass the anti-bargaining rights measure without any Democrats in the chamber, White House spokesman Jay Carney said Obama believes it is wrong for Wisconsin to use its budget troubles "to denigrate or vilify public sector employees."

Solis also pledged her support for public employees on a phone call with thousands of members of the Communications Workers of America.

"Budget sacrifices are one thing but, demanding that workers give up their voice is another," Solis told the union members.

But asked whether Solis would go to Wisconsin or any other state where protesters are rallying, spokesman Carl Fillichio said she's "keeping an eye on the situation."

DeMoro, from the nurses' union, has been reminding Obama about his 2007 campaign promise to walk with union members. She has even sent out press releases offering to buy the president a pair of shoes to march with demonstrators.

"Standing with the embattled workers would be an important symbol," DeMoro said.

There's no question that Obama will keep getting strong re-election support from organized labor. But he stands the risk that unions won't be as enthusiastic if he is too aloof about the attack on bargaining rights. On the other hand, it's possible that unions will be so consumed with their own efforts to save bargaining rights, recall governors or other issues of self-preservation that they won't have the time to work on Obama's behalf with full vigor.

Schoen, the Democratic consultant, said Obama is "trying to have it both ways."

If the budget-cutting tactics of Walker and GOP Gov. John Kasich of Ohio are successful, Obama doesn't want to be seen as aggressively taking sides, Schoen said. If they fail, the president can say he was always on the side of the unions.

Most union leaders have praised Obama in public for offering support with his words. Some believe it may be better for him to stay out so Republicans can't claim the protests are being organized in a grand political move.

"Obama needed to hang back and let people fully understand this is being run by the people of Wisconsin, not by the Democratic Party leadership," said Greg Junemann, president of the International Federal of Professional and Technical Engineers.

Both parties already are using Wisconsin to try to boost their political fortunes.

Crossroads GPS, a group organized by former Bush advisers Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie, announced this past week that it would spend $750,000 on national cable television ads supporting Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee on Thursday set a goal of raising $100,000 in 24 hours from angry voters opposing the Wisconsin legislation.

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Associated Press writer Jim Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.

© 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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thevisioner

Yep, Obama and Trumka on the picket line. That would go well for the Dems! LOL I bet Al Capone would join them if he was alive. He loved organized labor too, Uh, I mean Al loved their money too!

  • 12 votes
#1 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:47 AM EST
V. Bevis

You forgot Jimmy Hofffa! lol

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:13 AM EST
tywht63

Why are people acting surprised. Isn't he the puppet president that handed over the podium over to Bill Clinton months back.

Odumbo is not a leader, just another puppet politician ready to cave in when bullied by the other politicians.

All the protesters need to go to Washington and yell "SHAME, SHAME, SHAME".

  • 12 votes
#1.2 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:23 AM EST
Victor Pratt

Read: Obama do not want to be associated with the far left because then he will lose the election 2012. Instead he wants to support the most of American moderates, whose votes actually count. Very wise indeed from a political point of view.

  • 8 votes
#1.3 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:26 AM EST
valspully

Obama cant be on the picket line...and not because he has too much other repsonsibilities there fore the issue which is a state issue would be left to the State...no,... Obama will meddle with no problem. He cant be on the picket line because the issue of collective bargaining , since he is now the CEO of the Federal employees and he doesnt let his employees have collective bargaining either.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:40 AM EST
Roscoe B

It continually amazes me; the people voted in their GOP governors and now when things aren't working out, OMG! where is Obama????????? I wouldn't stick my nose in there either, sometimes you get what you vote for.

  • 8 votes
#1.5 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:45 AM EST
Victor Pratt

UNIONS THREATEN BUSINESS

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:47 AM EST
Jimster

Do you ever run out of spew Victor?

I think Obama is smart to stay out of this issue. Politically, it's just what the neo-cons want - to make this issue about Obama. It's what they want to do with every issue from now until election day.

This is for the people of Wisconsin to remedy - and they will.

  • 8 votes
#1.7 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:53 AM EST
VetteLover

Oh well for his "comfortable walking shoes".

This is a state matter, not for Obama to poke his nose into and would be political suicide for him to do so anyway.

The only dogs in this fight should be the politicians of the state of WI, the Unions and the tax payers who voted for change in their state by electing conservative fiscal reform. Period...

  • 7 votes
#1.8 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:56 AM EST
valspully

Politically, it's just what the neo-cons want - to make this issue about Obama. It's what they want to do with every issue from now until election day

actuallt it lefty who wants Obama to keep his promises...and the got jerked around for his benefit in the matter...lefty got effed...that is all there is too it...from the highest office in Govt

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:56 AM EST
Victor Pratt

Never get tired of spewing facts, Jimster.

I think Obama is smart to stay out of this issue

Why?

This is for the people of Wisconsin to remedy - and they will.

And you see how in #1.6

  • 5 votes
#1.10 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:56 AM EST
Ken-1575988

Guys Unions are not inhierently bad. It's so weird to me to see how many people are saying "Unions are bad for business!" and "Unions are corrupt!"

I'm not in a union, have no particular plans to be in one, but I recognize the fight and sacrifices unions have gone through to ensure that people have decent wages, decent working condions, decent hours etc. etc.

Yes some unions have gone too far. Yes there is corruption. But so have businesses! It's not unions that are corrupt, it's the people running them! I would rather have the right to stand up for fair working conditions than to not have the right at all!

The WI unions agreed to ALL pay cuts and benefit cost increases! But is that good enough for Walker? Nope, he wants to bust the unions completely.

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:10 PM EST
Max 3PO

This is a state matter,

I agree, it's a people matter, I hope they all walk out and leave the State hanging. Weeks of no Police, no firefighters, no teachers and who ever else is affected. Were are the Union workers from other States ? Now is the time to stand up and be counted, why wait until it's your turn to be shut down?

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:12 PM EST
Clint-746036

I hope they all walk out and leave the State hanging.

They already have. They have let everyone know where their priorities are. They have put their purses and wallets ahead of the students and their neighbors who pay the taxes that pay their wages. They have told the country who they really are and people are paying attention. Their entitlement mentality isn't selling all tha well and their little temper tantrum is backfiring.

"Top News" of nearly every venue but NV is Japan. Here, it is still self centered.

  • 3 votes
#1.13 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:38 PM EST
Carol-500283

All that are against unions, please give it a rest IF you enjoy overtime pay, breaks in the day, safety laws, any benefits(sick days, health ins. etc.), a 40 hr. week, etc. It DID NOT come because of the kindness of your company. It came because many people were willing, long before you, to put their lives on the line(at times) and push for your benefit. Many of those old-timers never enjoyed their spoils like you do, please thank them. What wonderful thing has the company done for you lately that they didn't have to do?? Yes, there are some, but not very many!!Please note what they do when they go out of country!!

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:15 PM EST
Clint-746036

I, for one, am not against unions. I'm against public employee unions that are capable of keeping the citizens they are there to serve hostage for their own agendas.

  • 6 votes
#1.15 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:40 PM EST
Edward-1075991

Doesn't this sound like some little kids who face a bigger kid to run for their daddy??

Biden, Biden, HELP. That mean old Walker kid is pickin on me again.

  • 1 vote
#1.16 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:47 PM EST
Jimster

...lefty got effed...that is all there is too it...from the highest office in Govt

Can you honestly say how Obama would've helped the situation in Wis? The only thing I can see is that it would've raised more cash for the Gov's war-chest.

The President (regardless of who) is not our national daddy. (with broader impact for sure) This is a state matter. The last thing that is needed now is a tit-for-tat between the President and Gov Walker.

For the record, I am in full support of the unions in Wis.

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:43 PM EDT
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Minan59

Crossroads GPS, a group organized by former Bush advisers Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie, announced this past week that it would spend $750,000 on national cable television ads supporting Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans.

No matter what spin and lies they use to support Walker, most Americans realize their agenda is to destroy unions and in push forward their Fascist agenda.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:51 AM EST
Braveheart50

Game over......America 1......Union Corruption 0.

  • 19 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:04 AM EST
Thadius357

Well said!

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:57 PM EST
Victor Pratt

Indeed! :)

  • 4 votes
#3.2 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:59 PM EST
thevisioner

Yep. Nuff said!

  • 4 votes
#3.3 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:45 PM EST
Doug-375144

That was just campaign talk , like most of what he said and then didn't do.

    #3.4 - Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:09 AM EDT
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    j-bird-2923980

    The birth of unions required no politician to stand in as midwife. It did require a devotion and steadfastness that only family and co workers could understand. Now in these times as workers find themselves more and more relegated to virtual serfdom it will take that same oneness. Knowing that unless you care as much about your coworker beside you as you do yourself you will fail. It has always been the greatest tool of employers to separate by race, by wage, by regard, by imaginary status, one worker from another. As our society has become more multicultural employers have used that oldest of tools which is the fanning of long cooled embers of racism to divide workers. When workers see one another in the same light as loving parents, wanting for their children what they themselves could not get. Willing to sacrifice all for the sake of a better life for not themselves but the next generation then there will be change. When workers come to understand history they will see that people really dont change. That there will always be that portion of society that preys upon our own ignorance. That at the end of the day it is up to us and only us to understand that single thing.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#4 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:05 AM EST
    thevisioner

    I think you give business owners too much credit. I'm a business owner and I dont mind unions. The issue is this....Public unions should not be able to vote for people who can give them a raise. That is counter productive to society...and that is not racism or dividing of labor.

    • 2 votes
    #4.1 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:38 PM EST
    j-bird-2923980

    I understand your position and likewise suggest that you underestimate voters union and non union. It is not a businesses position to have or not have a union it is for workers to engage in mutually protected concerted activity to form or join a union. The Governor of Wisconsin carefully left Police and Firefighters out of union busting legislation. That single thing is a dividing tool whether it works or not it is clearly devisive. There is almost always a "wedge" in an employers toolbox, this governor proves that.

    • 3 votes
    #4.2 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:53 PM EST
    Carol-500283

    visioner, these very people that will or won't give the union members raises are the same people who can give THEMSELVES raises, see the conflict there. Public unions, for one thing, give one voice instead of the employer having to deal with each worker, that would be a full time job plus some, I'd think. And please, everyone, take a look at the concessions most of the public unions have been willing to get back, these aren't evil people, they are your neighbor, friends, and relatives. Please let them have a decent living too. If you don't think they are worth that, then look at the supervisor, what has he/she not done? This is creating a division in our families and communities that none of us should want to have happen. Truce!

    • 2 votes
    #4.3 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:25 PM EST
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    Road To Serfdom

    This is a "State of Wisconsin" affair. It would be wrong for the President to intervene on anyone's side.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#5 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:07 AM EST
    Bootstraps

    Walker told Obama as much, then came the Chicago tuts The highest ranking community organizer of all time ate his own words, "elections have consequence".

    • 2 votes
    #5.1 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:25 AM EST
    Braveheart50

    He certainly had no problem rushing in to intervene in Arizona.

    • 4 votes
    #5.2 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:26 AM EST
    magnoliaave

    He certainly didn't stay out of Arizona, Braveheart! WI doesn't want to take the Union away...just collective bargaining and withholding Union dues from teachers' paychecks. Let the teachers pay the Unions themselves.

    • 5 votes
    #5.3 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:47 AM EST
    Roscoe B

    Road to S: I completely agree with you. Everybody wants Federal Gov. out of their business and Walker, whom the people voted into office, told the Pres. keep your nose out of here and tend to your own business. You see, with this Pres. he is damned if does and damned if he don't.

    • 2 votes
    #5.4 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:49 AM EST
    Road To Serfdom

    Roscoe B...I'm actually giving him a pass on this one. I am no fan of the man's policies. He was elected President not Governor of WI

    • 3 votes
    #5.5 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:57 AM EST
    Carol-500283

    Braveheart, really now. That was so different, it isn't apples and oranges, it's not even fruit and fruit. AZ was a shooting, a crime. As much as I feel WI mess is a crime, it's not, it's a state fight and the national government doesn't have jurisdiction.

    • 2 votes
    #5.6 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST
    Reply
    Beckyal

    Feds need to stay out of this unless the national unions get to involved. This is a state of WI issue with the unions there. NO outsiders should be involved.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#6 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:11 AM EST
    Digital-904078

    This is not just a state of Wisconsin affair. As far as us union people are concerned, what affects one of us affects all of us. That's that golden solidarity that we talk about. This is a union affair, but I do agree that outside politicians are not needed.

    • 3 votes
    #6.1 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:16 AM EST
    Max 3PO

    NO outsiders should be involved.

    Funny, that's what the country did when vote counters trash canned votes in Florida on National television for the Nation to see. NO ONE GOT INVOLVED ! We all know how that worked out. Please change the name of this country to anything other than The UNITED STATES of AMERICA..

    • 3 votes
    #6.2 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:20 PM EST
    Reply
    Fufu

    Union leaders urged Vice President Joe Biden during a White House meeting last month to go to Wisconsin and rally the faithful in their fight against Gov. Scott Walker's move to curtail collective bargaining rights for most public employees.

    I can understand why they requested this, but it would have absolutely been the wrong thing to do. Public opinion often supports "the little guy" regardless of other ideologies. If President Obama had involved federal politics in Wisconsin, he would have been crucified and the unions would have been, too. By President Obama staying out of the issue, the unions may suffer this year, but are absolutely going to benefit in the long run, either until Governor Walker is recalled or the next election.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#7 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:15 AM EST
    V. Bevis

    This really isn't rocket science, folks. After Nov. 2nd., 2010, B.O. "reinvented" himself. It's hysterical to actually watch the change; it was SO predictable.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#8 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:15 AM EST
    V. Bevis

    or as I forgot to include, my mother's old adage:

    "Actions speak louder than words."

    • 3 votes
    #8.1 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:20 AM EST
    Roger LongswordDeleted
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    Roger LongswordDeleted
    tommymaybewrongmayberight

    I think I know why he's shying away. While Walkers plan is controversial he is at least making cuts to his budget and trying to get his debt under control. Meanwhile Obama has punted. Now we will see if things get better or worse economically in Wisconsin. If they get better Republicans and Walker will win another term, if not the Dems will win the next election and restore union rights.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#10 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:30 AM EST
    Bootstraps

    Can we separate public and private sector unions? Please

    • 1 vote
    Reply#11 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:30 AM EST
    Jim-789449

    The POTUS has his views on private issues, but he should not voice them as long as he is president, he is supposed to represent ALL of the people, not one sector over another.

    Obama has been in the past very quick to voice his opinions on issues he should have held as private citizen view; he should never openly “Take sides” based on his personal opinion.

    He does not enjoy the same privileges a private citizen does, his very position demands that he be maintain a neutral stand on issues that do not involve constitutional rights or legal rights.

    Personally I find him a little too quick to voice his opinion on some issues rather than considering the possible consequences of it, such as his comment on Libya and possible military intervention, he has in that statement as much as said the U S Government advocates the over through of its government in favor of the people.

    Anything the president says is a direct representation of the people of the U S as a whole, and is seen that way by the world, there are just some opinions he cannot voice openly.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#12 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:32 AM EST
    Gulliver's Island

    All options remain on the table, while Obama remains under it.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#13 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:36 AM EST
    WILDWONDERFUL

    When Obama froze federal wages were there any outcries ?

    • 3 votes
    Reply#14 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:46 AM EST
    Robert in Ohio

    I now understand what Obamamanisa means when they say "display leadership".

    That means, we are going to wait and see how tings turn out and then try to take credit for the successes and blame all the bad stuff on the other side.

    The "hands off" attitude of the White House and hte cabinet seems to show that they view these struggles against the Governors in OH, WI, IN, CA, NJ, NY and other states is a losing battle in the long run and they do not want to be closely tied to losers. They will come to the rescue after the fact to try and rally support with sympathy for the changes to the workers lives.

    So the Obamamania definition of leadership is to sit and say "Sure we are behind, but we need to stay way way way behind you for political reasons" Very comforting.

    Obama does not want to have to answer the question of why collective bargaining is imporant for state workers in the public sector but not for public sector workers at the federal level.

    Can you say hypocrisy?

    • 3 votes
    Reply#15 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:57 AM EST
    Dehlyn

    Still Republicans and Democrats are in power And as long as those two parties rule we will not get what we want,your still going to have too pay their debt ( National debt ), some of these Union people are senators and congressmen they were bought and paid for just like the rest of this government. But I guess it is alright nothing will cause most to get up stand together to say enough your out and get rid of these crooks we have done it their way long enough, time for something different.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#16 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:58 AM EST
    It's Cloudy, It's GWB's fault

    Duh, Winning!!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#17 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:59 AM EST
    Braveheart50

    Great post Cloudy......:))))

    • 6 votes
    Reply#18 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:23 PM EST
    ray-2211901

    Obama is all about Obama. Acorn got him elected and then quickly cut ties.

    Maybe he is scared to be seen as a socialist. Even though I see nothing wrong.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#19 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:00 PM EST
    Minan59

    Maybe Obama wants to be seen as a Fascist so he can attract more conservative/ tea party votes.

      #19.1 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:24 PM EST
      ray-2211901

      I think I agree, Minan.

        #19.2 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:49 PM EST
        Reply
        Braveheart50

        You are confused Minan.

        OK....The Bill is signed. Time to go home and clean up after these thugs.......again.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#20 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:55 PM EST
        Minan59

        OK....The Bill is signed. Time to go home and clean up after these thugs.......again.

        I think it is time to gather signatures to recall the people who voted for this legislation and at the same get organized for Walkers recall election early next year.

        • 1 vote
        #20.1 - Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:07 AM EDT
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        concerned67

        Braveheart: What do you mean that Obama rush in and intervened in Arizonia. I know he went to pay a tribute to the ones who die and the ones who stepped in the help. Is that what you call intervening?

        • 1 vote
        Reply#21 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:33 PM EST
        Braveheart50

        Obama vs. Arizona
        July 06, 2010

        The Obama administration slapped Arizona with a lawsuit on Tuesday, saying the state stepped on the federal government's toes by passing a get-tough-on-immigration law.

        That's our job, the U.S. Justice Department says in its suit.

        But you're not doing it, says Arizona, and the point is well taken. The state's approach to immigration reform is harsh and overreaching. But if Obama wants Arizona — and the dozen or so other states mulling similar laws — to stand down, he's going to have to come up with something better. And soon.

        The suit asks the court to block the Arizona law from taking effect July 29. Besides usurping federal authority, the government argues, SB 1070 invites racial profiling by instructing police to demand proof of residence from anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. Neither argument is a slam dunk. In similar cases, the U.S. Supreme Court has found that states acted within the scope of their authority. And a court isn't likely to act on the racial profiling claim before any profiling has occurred.

        • 3 votes
        #21.1 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:50 PM EST
        dixielee-1197053

        Because, Braveheart, immigration issues DO lie within federal jurisdiction. Frankly, I am sick of your anti-Obama rhetoric.

        • 1 vote
        #21.2 - Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:33 AM EDT
        Reply
        concerned67

        Braveheart: I see now. I thought we were talking about Wis. and the protesters. Now we are talking about immgration. Please let me know when the seed changes so I can stay abreast of what we are talking about.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#22 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:04 PM EST
        Braveheart50

        Actually, I responded to the majority of liberal supporters here suggesting that Obama NOT inject himself into a State issue. My point was made.

        • 2 votes
        #22.1 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:14 PM EST
        dixielee-1197053

        Again, Braveheart, immigration control is not a state issue. Point not made.

        • 1 vote
        #22.2 - Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:34 AM EDT
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        Jack's attackDeleted
        Braveheart50

        Not a useful post Jack.

        Zzzzzzzzzzzz

        • 3 votes
        Reply#24 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:22 PM EST
        NOBAMARAMA

        Another example of how hes a weak and ineffective leader. Or he just doesn't care about the people who voted for him. Just like the healthcare law exemptions.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#25 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:25 PM EST
        Braveheart50

        Bingo....the point of this seed is "promises-promises". Everything proposed, nothing of consequence that what was not done in the dark of night, meaningful. BO was and is a puppet for progressive / Union cash flows. He is NO leader. I will grant him a minute now for what he has to deal with in the world, and I pray that he suspends his Social agenda long enough to realize that the World needs leadership too. Holding my breath.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#26 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:48 PM EST
        Edward-1075991

        You see Braveheart??

        In his little Disneyland world, just talking about something is his version of actually doing something about the problem.

        "There, I made a good speech, and acted very concerned........Time for a vacation."

        • 2 votes
        Reply#27 - Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:50 PM EST
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