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Whistle-blowing witch grounded by TSA

Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:42 AM EDT
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msnbc.com News — Bill Dedman, msnbc.com - Only on msnbc.com

Carole Smith, a Wiccan, claims she was fired by the TSA over religious discrimination. She shows a pentacle symbol in her house. (Matthew Rivera / msnbc.com)

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— Here's a situation for all you aspiring managers: If you were the boss at a U.S. government agency and one of your employees complained that she was afraid of a co-worker's religious practices, what would you do?

Would it change your decision if the religion were Wicca, and the employee feared her co-worker because she thought she might cast a spell on her?

Here's how the Transportation Security Administration handled it:

It fired the witch.

Each person's story is unique, but what happened to Carole A. Smith gives us a glimpse of the work life of the 400,000-plus Wiccans in the United States. And it sheds light on work life at the TSA, where the 40,000-plus public employees who keep bad people and bad things off of airplanes have started voting this month on whether to join a union.

At New York's Albany International Airport on March 12, 2009, transportation security officer Smith was called into the office of the No. 2 TSA boss there, the assistant federal safety director for law enforcement.

Smith, then 49, was a probationary employee, on the job for just seven months. Records show that she'd had several minor disciplinary actions — she'd forgotten her name tag one time, had been a few minutes late, had stayed too long on break — but the agency classified her performance as “satisfactory.”

She was in the top 10 percent in Albany at catching weapons on the X-ray machine. She passed her skills test on the first try. She caught a woman on her way to Vietnam with $30,000 in cash. And she didn't mind working with the passengers — her training as a massage therapist kept her from being squeamish, as some officers were, about patting down elderly and special-needs passengers.

The assistant director told her he was investigating a threat of workplace violence. He said that her former mentor in on-the-job training, officer Mary Bagnoli, reported that she was afraid of Smith because she was a witch who practiced witchcraft. She accused Smith of following her on the highway one snowy evening after work and casting a spell on the heater of her car, causing it not to work. Well, actually, Bagnoli said she hadn't seen Smith's car, but she had seen Smith. “I thought to myself,” Smith recalls, “what, did she see me flying on my broom?”

'That's not what Wicca is'
Carole Smith proudly acknowledges being a witch, a practitioner of Wicca, the pagan religion. She does have a broom, too, but just for show. Not all Wiccans use the word witch, but Smith and some others are reclaiming it as a term of respect, sometimes said to mean “wise woman.” She says she had told at least one person at work about her beliefs. But as for hexes, no, Smith said Wiccans don't go in for that sort of foolishness.

“I was dumbfounded,” Smith said. “I told him, that's not what Wicca is. We don't cast spells. That's not witchcraft. That's black magic or voodoo or something else. To put a spell on a heater of a car, if I had that kind of power, I wouldn't be working for TSA. I would go buy lottery tickets and put a spell on the balls.”

The assistant director, Matthew W. Lloyd, testified later that he realized immediately there was no genuine threat of workplace violence. Smith hadn't followed anyone home — that's the only highway going toward her home from the airport. It was just a personality conflict made worse by fear of an unfamiliar religion.

He had a suggestion for Smith. She should enter into a formal mediation session with Bagnoli, her accuser, through the TSA's Integrated Conflict Management System, or ICMS. The mediation “would be a good venue to dispel any misconceptions” that her co-worker had about her religious beliefs, he told her.

“He wanted me to go to ICMS and sit down with Mary and explain my religion to her,” Smith said. “I'm like, 'No.' I refused to do that. It's not up to me to teach her my religion. I mean, would I have to go down and sit with her if I was Jewish?”

Twice, Smith left Lloyd’s office in tears and had to be coaxed back inside to continue the discussion. The assistant director testified later that he had not found her behavior to be insubordinate. But when Smith received her
termination letter, there it was. The fact that she “left room twice and had to be instructed to return” was listed as one of the reasons justifying her firing.

'Where did you park your broom?'
The assistant director had received the allegation a week earlier, on March 4, 2009. He immediately
sent a memo, titled “Conflict Mitigation Measure,” to the TSA supervisors at Albany: Keep the two women on separate shifts, and don't let them take breaks at the same time, he wrote, while he investigated the workplace violence complaint.

Smith learned of the memo only when it was also listed on her termination letter. The memo — a step the TSA took because of the co-worker’s religiously grounded complaint that Smith put a hex on her car, a complaint which the agency determined to be unfounded — is listed as another reason justifying her termination.

When she learned of the complaint, Smith said, she realized why everything at work had changed that week.

“Where did you park your broom?” she said one co-worker asked her. “Why don't you come to work in your pointy hat?” She said one shift supervisor told another, “She's going to put a hex on me.”

Smith said she's never minded a bit of good-natured ribbing about the popular mythology of witches. Two of her three cats are black. She loved “Wicked” on Broadway. But this was something else, more akin to high school bullying. It made it hard to do her job, too.

“If I called for bag checks on the X-ray, no one would come and do them. I was treated like I was not even there sometimes,” she said. “It was very demeaning. I was constantly walking on eggshells and checking my back.” She said another employee yelled at her in a baggage room, in front of other employees and a supervisor, “Get her the hell out of here! I can't stand to look at her!” A co-worker advised her to transfer to another airport.

'I don't feel safe here'
While still unaware of the complaint about witchcraft, Smith reported the harassment in an e-mail on March 5 to the big boss, the TSA federal security director at Albany, Brian Johansson. She asked for his help, and she told him she had reported the harassment to the ombudsman of the TSA, an informal counselor who is supposed to
help employees resolve problems in a safe space outside of the chain of command.

Johansson already knew Smith. She had complained to him previously about being harassed by Bagnoli and her friends.

The two women had a history: Bagnoli had been Smith's first mentor on the job. They didn't get along. Smith said Bagnoli told her repeatedly that she would get fired if she violated any rules. One day, she said, when Smith hadn't followed protocol for checking cameras, Bagnoli and her boyfriend, a supervisor, called her into a small booth, the kind of room where a passenger would be given a private security screening. She was ordered to sit at the table and to read the procedures manual, while the two of them stood behind her. Smith said she found all of this threatening or at least off-putting, so she asked for another mentor, and one was assigned.

After that, Smith said, Bagnoli would verbally harass her. She complained to Johansson several times. For example, she e-mailed him on Dec. 5, 2008: “My days here with Mary have never gotten any better no matter how many times I apologized to her (for what I have no clue).” Johansson replied sympathetically, “I am very sorry to hear about this. Don't give up hope just yet.” In an e-mail to another manager, Johansson described Bagnoli and other employees who criticized Smith at a staff meeting (for her plan to bring in a massage table to offer free massages for employees on her day off) as a “lynch mob.” Smith filed a complaint on March 2, 2009, just days before she was accused of casting spells, saying Bagnoli continued to harass her. “I don't feel safe here,” she wrote.

'She has chosen her path'
But now that she had contacted the ombudsman, Johansson would not help her any more.

“Since she has decided to go to the Ombudsman,” the federal safety director wrote to a deputy on March 6, “I am not going to address her issues ... she has chosen her path.” He didn't say this to Smith. She found the e-mail later, when she received
her personnel file through the Freedom of Information Act.

Immediately after the complaint about casting spells, Smith's personnel file started to bulge with disciplinary actions. A training coordinator wrote her up for having a negative attitude. A supervisor warned her for not properly checking a boarding pass. She was eight minutes late to work. She was accused of insubordinate behavior for yelling at supervisors when they told her she'd have to work a 16-hour shift because she was the only woman on duty to pat down female passengers.

On April 2, the personnel specialist at Albany, Robert Farrow, sent Johansson an e-mail about Smith. It read, in full, “Hammer Time.” Johansson replied, “Not yet ... not enough.”

During this time, Smith was making her own complaints about harassing comments from co-workers and supervisors.

And she complained about airport security.

She wrote up a supervisor for repeatedly leaving a gate open next to the metal detector. Smith said her options were to leave the gate open, or to leave her post to close it. She said her complaint only led to more harassing comments.

And she complained that a supervisor was not inspecting a contractor who was bringing in a spare X-ray machine and cardboard boxes on a hand truck. “I wouldn't feel safe flying out of Albany,” she said.

'It made me feel different from everyone else'
The last straw came on May 11, 2009, when she was accused of leaving the baggage room without permission, leaving behind only an employee who was not certified to work alone on a screening machine. Smith said she went to the break room for a bag of chips, as was customary — it was 4:45 p.m., and she hadn't yet been sent for a lunch break.

On that day, her personnel file shows, her shift supervisor, John Engelhardt, started going through her file, cataloguing reasons to fire her.

On June 18, she received her termination letter — signed by an assistant director she had never met. The assistant director, Patricia Sykes, wrote in an e-mail to a colleague that Smith tried to call her after being fired.

“I did not respond,” Sykes wrote, “because she was no longer an employee. It was beyond discussion, as she had already terminated.”

For the last three months of her employment at TSA, Smith and Bagnoli remained under the March 12 order to be kept apart. Though Lloyd had decided there was no workplace violence issue, he never rescinded the order. Smith said Bagnoli, who had accused her of witchcraft, was allowed to take her regular break time, but Smith had to work around Bagnoli's schedule. “If I was sent to lunch or on break, and she was around, I would have to go back to the work area and ask to be rescheduled.” When she went to the restroom, “I'd have to open the door and look to see if anybody's feet were under the stalls.” Supervisors testified that they made sure Bagnoli, but not Smith, was escorted to her car for her safety.

“I had not done anything wrong,” Smith said. “It made me feel different from everyone else. It also made me feel low.”

'You expect me to believe that?'
Smith filed an Equal Employment Opportunity Commission complaint, claiming discrimination based on religion, reprisal (for contacting the ombudsman) and disability (for an ankle she hurt on the job, and emotional stress caused by harassment).

At a hearing on Nov. 30, 2010, she tried to make the case herself without an attorney. She said she broke down in tears several times and became too angry to point out when the testimony of her former supervisors was contradicted by their own e-mails.

The administrative judge ruled against her in December, and she filed an appeal. Next time she hopes to bring a lawyer. She wants her job, assignment to a different airport and back pay, along with the bonuses she earned for being a crackerjack discoverer of weapons.

Though she lost her case, the
transcript of the hearing is revealing. The judge who ruled against her kept pointing out that the TSA officials were changing their stories.

“You expect me to believe that?” Judge William Macauley of the EEOC asked one supervisor. “You're hedging,” he told another.

The judge was most withering in dealing with Matthew Lloyd, the assistant director who handled the workplace violence complaint.

Lloyd couldn't explain why he had not noted in his report his conclusion that there was no actual potential for workplace violence.

He couldn't explain why he had told other managers that Smith was uncooperative when she left his meeting in tears, when, as he testified, he had concluded that she was merely emotional.

A good witch? Or the Wicked Witch of the West?
And Lloyd kept changing his story about why he thought mediation “would be a good venue for Ms. Smith to alleviate any misconceptions” about her religion.

When asked why the agency's reaction to the religiously based complaint about hexes was listed on Smith's termination letter, TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis said, “But it also listed a lot of good reasons to fire her.”

Msnbc.com sent detailed follow-up questions, but Davis said the TSA wouldn't discuss its actions because Smith has appealed. TSA employees Bagnoli, Lloyd, Johansson, Farrow, Engelhardt and Sykes did not respond to questions from msnbc.com.

At the hearing on Smith’s complaint, attorney Cheryl Scott-Johnson argued on behalf of the Department of Homeland Security, which includes the TSA: “There was no discrimination here based on Ms. Smith's religion. Ms. Smith was removed during her probationary period because of conduct, behavior and her performance. ... It's like almost every person, almost all the supervisors, had problems with Ms. Smith. ... She just assumes, or concludes, that it all had to do with her religion. In fact, as brought out in the testimony, she started having problems before anybody even knew she was Wicca.”

When Smith complained repeatedly to the director about being harassed by Bagnoli and others, she never mentioned her religion. She said the ombudsman encouraged her to mention it, but “I said I don't want to cause any more issues. I just want the harassment to stop.” Besides, the bosses knew of her religion. They're the ones who came to her with Bagnoli's complaint about being afraid of a Wicccan casting spells.

More hate crimes against Wiccans and other pagans
A prominent Wiccan who runs a national legal clearinghouse and support center said something strange and contradictory is happening: more acceptance, and more discrimination.

Selena Fox, one of the most prominent priestesses and interfaith educators, helps other Wiccans through her
Circle Sanctuary church in Wisconsin and its
Lady Liberty League, which works on civil rights and religious freedom issues.

“There's more understanding and acceptance about the Wiccan religion and related forms of nature religion,” Fox said. “That's a positive thing. The U.S. Armed Forces has recognized the pentacle symbol as an approved grave marker. … The state of New Jersey now lists our eight holidays on its education calendar.”

“But there's been a very disturbing trend of hate crimes against Wiccans and other nature religions being on the rise. … People start freaking out when they hear that witch word. It has hundreds of years of bad PR.”

As more pagans are open about their beliefs, Fox said, that intolerance also shows up in the workplace.

“In Carole's case, the bullying, and her attempts to get an intervention, it was escalating to the point where it was interfering with the ability to do her job,” Fox said. “And the system to do an intervention, to stop the bullying, didn't work. Attempts to problem-solve did not work. I really think TSA messed this up. She is not alone in this. Some people are keenly aware about gender issues and sexual harassment in the workplace, but this business about being persecuted because of one's religious orientation, that's less well known, but it's part of the reality of America.”

'You're just speculating'
Wiccans have many forms of religious expression, some thousands of years old and others made up on the spot. Smith, who was raised Roman Catholic, said she is a solitary practitioner, not a member of a group. She celebrates the changing seasons. She goes outside to soak up the energy of a full moon. If it's nice out, she'll have a fire and put in some cedar or sage with rose petals and herbs. She puts a circle of sea salt around the fire to keep out negativity during meditation. She has a small cauldron for burning incense, and a goddess jar for holding wishes.

“You don't try to harm anyone else,” she said. “It's not spell-casting. It's putting something out there in the universe that you desire, and if the time is right, and your heart is pure, and it's right for you, you may get it. Everything happens for a reason.”

The judge said her failure to mention her spiritual beliefs makes it impossible for her to claim that management failed to act on a claim of religious harassment. The judge noted that her termination letter included the TSA's reaction to the religiously based allegation about casting spells, but then he didn't put any weight on that fact in
his analysis.

And although the judge said the security manager who recommended her firing, John Engelhardt, “lacked credibility” when he claimed that he had no idea what her religion might be (an earlier e-mail from Smith to him proved otherwise), the judge said that didn't prove that he wanted her fired because of her religion.

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Vlad in TN

I've never met a practicing Wicca I didn't like or got a bad feeling about them... which I can't say about all the other religions.

  • 15 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:29 AM EDT
Dolphace

Growing up in an area or living in an area where your beliefs are far from mainstream in a way forces you to, at the very least, attempt to understand their beliefs and why others might think negatively of you. Growing up or living in an area where your beliefs are the norm leads to the "one true God" effect where everyone else must be wrong because all of those close to you (in proximity or relations) share your views. While it might seem to be "too late" for some older ignorant folks, that doesn't mean that you can't simply put these ideas out there in a child's education, if for nothing more than letting them know what's out there and what they may or may not run into later in life.

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:35 AM EDT
Sherry working hard

Well if it was a religion such as Muslim they would not be allowed to fire her. I find it ignorant that in todays society people are afraid someone will "hex" them. Those people who state they are afraid she will curse them should be evaluated. Wiccans are not "evil witches" Good grief people are so stupid. This is not geared toward you Vlad I just attached to you =]

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:37 AM EDT
Sherry working hard

Ok so I do not get attacked for the "muslim" word just an example, those idiots deal with different religious needs and exceptions, they are discriminating against another religious belief and she should take it further.

    #1.3 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:45 AM EDT
    Dolphace

    We go from "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays" in order to respect those who celebrate holidays such as Chanukah and Kwanzaa, and yet people forget, or have no idea, that many people did and still do celebrate the holiday of the Winter Solstice. People speak of Islam with respect because its followers believe it to be their path to goodness and enlightenment, yet people stay silent of Wicca because it appears so ridiculous and false that they wouldn't even call it a belief, they'd call it ignorance, not realizing that they themselves are more ignorant than those to whom they bestow that term upon.

    • 4 votes
    #1.4 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:56 AM EDT
    JS in SD

    It looks like the TSA really blew it in how they handled this. I hope this woman is reinstated with full back pay. I also hope that the supervisors involved in this debacle are at least removed from their positions as supervisors if not fired altogether for being incompetent. Their handling of this whole affair clearly demonstrates that they have no business being in a management position.

    In looking at the sections of the transcript provided in the article, I am also at a loss to understand how the judge arrived at his decision. It seems pretty clear that there was no good cause for this woman to be fired. It sounds like the supervisors decided to get rid of her and then doctored up the paperwork to try and make it look like a legitimate firing.

    • 10 votes
    #1.5 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT
    Sherry working hard

    Agreed Damien, there are different "witch" beliefs as there are different "nature" religions. I do not think I have ever heard of a Wiccan or Druid, going out and blowing up buildings or killing people simply because thier belief is different. This article will probably give this religion and its followers A LOT of support and TSA should be schooled. With my job I have to take a diversity class and depending where I work a cultural one so as not to offend others.

    • 2 votes
    #1.6 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:10 PM EDT
    Ebeneezer Goode

    One of my groomsmen was Wiccan - Another was Catholic, another was Lutheran, and another was an Athiest....

    I mean really - just because someone believes something different is no reason to get freaked out.

    I mean let's look at it this way: I believe that people can cast spells to walk on water, change the weather, cure diseases, and come back from the dead. I'm a Catholic, and I believe this because Jesus did it himself, and his Disciples did much the same.

    Am I a witch? No. Could someone consider me one? Depends on your point of view.

    • 6 votes
    #1.7 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:25 PM EDT
    YaddaYadda

    And it sheds light on work life at the TSA, where the 40,000-plus public employees who keep bad people and bad things off of airplanes have started voting this month on whether to join a union.

    That's the part that scares me. The last thing we need at the TSA ia a union to protect more assclowns like the ones in this story.

    • 3 votes
    #1.8 - Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:42 PM EDT
    Kshark

    I'm sorry she was fired.

    -----------------------------------

    YaddaYadda--

    That is trifling all right.

    • 2 votes
    #1.9 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:29 PM EDT
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    ROBBY therobotDeleted
    UNA_Lion

    Though she lost her case, the transcript of the hearing is revealing. The judge who ruled against her kept pointing out that the TSA officials were changing their stories.

    “You expect me to believe that?” Judge William Macauley of the EEOC asked one supervisor. “You're hedging,” he told another.

    Looks like the supervisors may be morons.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:44 AM EDT
    Chris from YucaipaDeleted
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    steven-791492

    It is a shame stupid was allowed to push this woman out of her job ..... Wicca is just another religion.... time to get over it.

    • 16 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:45 AM EDT
    Nikita-2054298

    Yes steven, and "true" followers of Wicca, such as myself, do not do hexes or spells to inflict hurt to anyone else. It goes against everything we beleive in, which is the three fold concept. AKA...Karma. Basically, everything we do comes back three fold to us...so if we do bad..we get bad back! Simple. And I agree this woman never should have been pushed out of her job for her spiritual beliefs.

    • 9 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:14 AM EDT
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    John-383321Deleted
    Alba KerkyDeleted
    Happily BLUE in Ohio

    I hope this woman contacts any and all agencies/organizations that fight against discrimination on the basis of religious beliefs. I also hope she initiates a huge and successful lawsuit against these morons and that her former mentor gets what she deserves--in every way.

    • 12 votes
    Reply#7 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:29 AM EDT
    Dolphace

    What she has been doing is very inspiring, and I wouldn't doubt if at some point soon she became a well-known voice for religious tolerance and acceptance.

    • 3 votes
    #7.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:58 AM EDT
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    WeirdMN-2943534

    I'd rather be searched by a Wiccan than a muslim. There were no Wiccans hijacking those planes on 9/11.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#8 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:42 AM EDT
    redphish

    That's no less ignorant than the woman who thought she was going to be hexed.

    • 4 votes
    #8.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:45 AM EDT
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    soulalonegirl

    My husband and I are both Wiccans. It amazes us how many people are actually scared of us! We are both nice, friendly, and peaceful. We do not 'cast spells' on another person because that would interfere with their free will. I hope the stereotypes that are associated with this religion will someday be gone. Until then, it seems that stories like the one above will keep happening.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#9 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:56 AM EDT
    Dolphace

    It's similar to how some people think that Islamic Centers are nothing but training grounds for religious extremists. They can't even be bothered to realize that the actions of the few do not speak for the many, no matter how loud the voice of those few may be.

    • 8 votes
    #9.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:00 AM EDT
    Nikita-2054298

    To my fellow Wiccan soulalonegirl...Blessed Be my friend!!!

    • 5 votes
    #9.2 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:17 AM EDT
    NeedsARichUncleTOO

    People will say "I ain't prejudice against anyone." But most people DON'T KNOW WHAT their prejudices are until they are confronted with them, and even then most don't recognize prejudice for what it is, because it's THEM.

    You can't change yourself (or anyone else for that matter) overnight. Slavery was abolished long ago, yet you still see prejudice against their descendants and other people of various color.

    Again, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but time heals. So hopefully, in time, more people will begin to heal and learn to be more accepting of ALL of the people who share this planet with each of us.

    • 6 votes
    #9.3 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:23 AM EDT
    Skup

    "I ain't prejudice against anyone."

    More like "I ain't prejudice against anyone who's like me."

    • 6 votes
    #9.4 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:32 AM EDT
    Sherry working hard

    Well I know where my issues fall, but Wiccans are not "evil" people or the ones I know are not. I have dealt with Medicine men, voodoo priestess, and with witch doctors. Now I can say the witch doctor did make people uncomfortable and they not all but some refused to care for the patient. I was the one who had that short straw. But it did not help that the family was threatening to cast evil hexes on people. They even had dolls. I did not believe in these hexes so I felt ok, but when every day people are stupid, scared and threatened by the unknown they will do stupid things....

      #9.5 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:19 PM EDT
      haterofstupid

      Seems pretty peacful to me.. Very Earth friendly correct?

      • 3 votes
      #9.6 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT
      Yosho

      People will say "I ain't prejudice against anyone." But most people DON'T KNOW WHAT their prejudices are until they are confronted with them, and even then most don't recognize prejudice for what it is, because it's THEM.

      Ain't that the truth. One of the big ways they rationalize their "not prejudiced" claim is to say that something's "not a real religion" when referring something that isn't Judaism, Christanity, or Islam, or something relatively well-known as being the major religion somewhere in the world like Buddhism or Hinduism.

      • 1 vote
      #9.7 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:07 PM EDT
      shepherd0886

      Personally I prefer Hedonism. :=))

      • 3 votes
      #9.8 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:03 PM EDT
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      NeedsARichUncleTOO

      Well, judging by the Judge's and the TSA members remarks during the hearing and the emails, I think it was planned out to fire her over her religion regardless of what Smith testified to as to what she thought the reason was that she was fired. The Judge is there to JUDGE WHY SHE WAS FIRED based on the evidence presented. Not make assumptions by questioning the person fired as to what she thought the reason was or wasn't. I've been there before and when you're put on the spot, you don't always state the obvious.

      Ms. Smith should get everything that she seeks in this matter based on religion discrimination.

      The TSA should teach tolerance of others in the workplace.

      But, as the saying goes, you can't teach old dogs new tricks.

      • 10 votes
      Reply#10 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:09 AM EDT
      NULL13

      ‎*sigh* ignorance and discrimination still happening to Wiccans/Pagans and yet no one stands up for them. She was clearly discriminated against, harassed and ultimately lost her job for other people's small minded antics and accusations. Nice one. Why not just burn her at the stake? Since we obviously live in the 1600's.

      • 13 votes
      Reply#11 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:37 AM EDT
      Dolphace

      Nowadays people want to hide their discrimination with something justifiable and legal, hence the myriad of complaints by those who joined this legitimate modern-day witch hunt in order to terminate her on "reasonable grounds" related to her job performance.

      • 3 votes
      #11.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:22 PM EDT
      Catjmj

      They should have fired the one that accused her of putting a hex on the car heater.

      • 4 votes
      #11.2 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT
      txmom32

      At the very least given her a mental competency evaluation.

      • 5 votes
      #11.3 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:55 PM EDT
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      Ebeneezer Goode

      "I'm not a witch, I'm your wife. But after what you just said, I'm not even sure I want to be that any more."

      • 4 votes
      Reply#12 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT
      reality-1087596

      I had worked for TSA as a Airport Screener at the begining in 2002 & 2003. Some of the communication between local human resource at the Airport one works at and the upper Human Resource in Washington D.C. is very lacking because of the red tape that TSA has set up.

      After leaving on very good terms it took me 4 years and literally a Senator becoming involved just for me to finally receive my last days pay which I was finnally paid in 2007. I have asked MSNBC again to investigate how many other Airport Screeners never received their last days pay from TSA. When I had left, my head of Human Resource at the Airport seen the mistake on pay when I pointed it out, tried several times to get my last days pay, however he never succeeded because of the lack of communication with higher ups in Washington D.C. Human Resource.

      I could not talk directly with them because of Security clearance. It is a setup that should not be and needs to be corrected for the employee's sake. An employee should never need top secret clearance to co respond with human resources on a pay issue, but they do. I am thankful my Senator did have the clearance needed to get it finally resolved.

      The Screener in this article should not have been let go. However that is TSA. I witnessed a male screener get terminated for sexual harassment because he complemented a female screener on her new hair style. That was all he had done.

      I have always remembered that and never give personal compliments at work to fellow workers.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#13 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:32 PM EDT
      Gypsywych

      Yet we're content to let these small minded people have control over our lives and bodies in the name of security every time we enter an airport. Unbelievable.

      • 12 votes
      Reply#14 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT
      txmom32

      It seems they fired the wrong person...based on the info for the story. Stupidity, if the Government Agency had stuck to their own criteria for documenting poor performance nothing would have come of this although, balancing being late a couple of time or other minor infractions with a top 10% record well they could have cut her a bit of slack.

      The leaving the screening area with one not authorized to be alone there, that could be legit.

      Seems more likely small minded mentor had lots of friends and an as to grind. The supervisor should look into her employee record and see what lurks in the file.

      • 3 votes
      #14.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:23 PM EDT
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      sandiego1969Deleted
      Pattie in Maryland

      Legally, it appears from the article that TSA violated the law. It's that simple. Federal law prohibits discrimination and harassment based on religion. TSA needs to publish some guidelines for its supervisory employees because this is not the first religious discrimination suit this agency has faced. The idea of requiring an employee to attend "mediation" and explain her religious beliefs to someone crazy enough to think that someone put a "hex" on her car's heater is way over the top. What's next: TSA putting a GS-13 exorcist on the staff? I also wonder how TSA promotes it's people if this Bagnoli woman is a supervisor and if other supervisory employees believe her stories. It's scary to think that she has a position of responsibility to protect us from terrorists!

      A lot more people are turning to non-Abrahamic religions, including nature-based belief systems, given the current religious climate, so society is going to have to learn to deal with this fact in a positive way that reflects the value we place on freedom of conscience. I am somewhat familiar with the beliefs of the Wiccan faith, which have everything to do with trying to be a good person and nothing at all to do with doing evil deliberately. This is not the 16th Century, it's the 21st. And people have every right to choose their own religious beliefs.

      I hope that Ms. Smith gets a big enough damages award to finance her retirement.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#16 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:49 PM EDT
      MtnMan14A

      I had more than a small problem with this article. I seems to infer that there is some issue possible with the removal of a probationary employee. This is just another case of unrealistic movement to political correctness. There does not need to be a reason to remove a probationary employee, that is the reason it is called a probationary period. In this case, there was AMPLE reason. Just the fact that she was causing upset within the workplace is more than a good reason. It wouldn't matter if she was Wiccan, Muslim, Catholic, aetheist, or agnostic, etc.

        #16.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:22 PM EDT
        Happily BLUE in Ohio

        Just the fact that she was causing upset within the workplace is more than a good reason.

        Interesting you found the Wiccan to be the one causing upset in the workplace. Must be because she was effective and did her work exceptionally well.

        Yes, it certainly makes more sense to maintain the status quo, allowing the religious bigots to remain and force out a new, productive employee. /sarc/

        • 10 votes
        #16.2 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:53 PM EDT
        valhallaarwen

        You noticed that too. One of my best friends is a wiccan and he does not go around and hex people. I bet you any money the "victim" is a "christian" who lied on this wiccan. The wiccan probably was doing her job and doing it right. I mean, you got upset because she was late once or twice. I bet you any money that the wiccan told on the christian who might be involved in the lax security, the christian got mad, told on the wiccan and that is why she got fired.

        • 3 votes
        #16.3 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT
        Catjmj

        It sounds to me like other than the fact that someone was bothered by her religion, that she was an exemplary employee.

        • 4 votes
        #16.4 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:57 PM EDT
        Pattie in Maryland

        This is just another case of unrealistic movement to political correctness.

        I fail to see why this has anything to do with politics. According to the article, Smith had been disciplined for "several" minor infractions — forgeting her name tag one time, being a few minutes late, staying too long on break .

        Also according to the article, her performance had been rated as “satisfactory,” she was in the top 10 percent at catching weapons on the X-ray machine, passed her skills test on the first try, caught a woman on her way to Vietnam with $30,000 in cash, and didn't mind patting down who made her coworkers squeamish. On what grounds would this record justify her discharge regardless of her probationary status?.

        Just the fact that she was causing upset within the workplace is more than a good reason.

        Why would the assistant director tell Smith that he "was investigating a threat of workplace violence" absent any threatening behavior? None was reported. All that Bagnoli supposedly reported was that she was afraid of Smith because of her beliefs, and that while she had not seen Smith's car on the highway leading away from work (but somehow saw her), Smith had somehow broken her car's heater. It doesn't sound like Smith did anything. It sounds like Ms. Bagnoli could use a fitness-for-duty evaluation. What is political about this? An employee is not, I repeat, not responsible for another employee's mental state absent any deliberate conduct.

        • 3 votes
        #16.5 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:45 PM EDT
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        haterofstupid

        Seems like a cat fight got out of control. I would say her supervisor was at fault but the whole " I had to work around HER schedule" statement from Smith makes it look like she thought she was equal to someone higher on the food chain, especially being that she was still on probation. That's a big no no at most places. I would say they both worked it up but then it crossed over to harrasment when other workers got invovled against Smith and discrimination when her religion was even mentioned. Doesn't matter what got it there now, she should spank their asses.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#17 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:49 PM EDT
        Catjmj

        Wouldn't you be upset if you had to check under the stalls and rearrange your lunch schedule because someone was scared of you for no reason?

        • 1 vote
        #17.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:58 PM EDT
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        shepherd0886

        I find numerous things wrong with this action on the part of the TSA. Lets start with her performance evaluations. She was listed as 'satisfactory' in her most recent evaluation. She did have some infractions that resulted in disciplinary action but all were minor issues like forgetting her badge and being 5 minutes late. There were no incidents of threatening or violent behavior listed. In short there were no incidents that would merit dismissal from her position.

        Next lets take a look at her accuser/s. It seems that Ms Bagnolli and her friends had been reported by Ms. Smith for harassing her and bullying her at least twice before this incident. Even more telling is that one of Ms. Bagnolli's accomplices in this harassment was 'her boyfriend' who happened to also be a TSA employee. Hmmm. Ms. Bagnolli and her friends often made comments like "where did you park your broom" and "why don't you come to work in your pointed hat?" They also alluded to Ms. Smith's prior occupation as a massage therapist and suggested that she bring her massage table to work and give free massages on her days off. These comments are clearly discriminatory, inflammatory, and could be perceived as even threatening.

        Now lets take a look at her supervision in this case. Mr. Matthew Lloyd investiged the reported incident and acknowledged that there was clearly no evidence of any kind of a threat from Ms. Smith. He attempted to mediate the situation by recommending an arbitration session between Ms. Smith and Ms. Bagnolli which Ms. Smith refused. She felt, and rightly so, that it was not her obligation to teach Ms. Bagnolli the basics of her religion or to defend her beliefs in any way. Clearly neither Mr. Lloyd or Ms. Bagnolli believed in the casting of spells. This was just an excuse of sorts for making the decision that they did. It seems for what ever reason Mr. Lloyd quietly sided with Ms. Bagnolli and her boyfriend and allowed this unbelievable situation to escalate further. Also it is worth mentioning that Mr. Lloyd had obviously overlooked Ms. Smith's previous complaints about being harassed. That implies selective inforcement to me.

        Lastly we look at the decision on the part of the supervisor Mr. Lloyd. He terminated Ms. Smith based upon her refusal to attend the arbitration session to defend her religion. He labled it insubordination even though he indicated previously that he had no record of any such insubordination on the part of Ms. Smith. The only conclusion left was that his decision was based upon the fact that Ms. Smith was a probationary employee and that her presence was upsetting to the established work force because of her beliefs and past employment. Also she was a nuisance to him for reporting earlier incidents of harassment by Ms. Bagnolli and friends which he chose not to investigate.

        Personally I think that Ms. Smith should file a very large law suit against the TSA, Mr. Lloyd, and Ms. Bagnolli for religious discrimination, personal harassment, and wrongful termination. We complain about the increased incidents of bullying in our schools and on the internet and yet we let the same kind of bullying go unanswered in the work place. As I have said in numerous comments on other topics this sort of behavior is indicative of some 40 plus years of people who grew up with no discipline and simply feel that they can do what ever they please with no fear of any sort of reprisal. Too many 'time outs' and not enough spankings. So now we have to put up with child like tantrums in every aspect of our daily lives including in Congress and with people like these who simply have no sense of what is right and wrong along with no conscience. LOL Oh well, you reap what you sow and we are reaping the wind on this one.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#18 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:52 PM EDT
        MtnMan14A

        I had more than a small problem with this article. I seems to infer that there is some issue possible with the removal of a probationary employee. This is just another case of unrealistic movement to political correctness. There does not need to be a reason to remove a probationary employee, that is the reason it is called a probationary period. In this case, there was AMPLE reason. Just the fact that she was causing upset within the workplace is more than a good reason. It wouldn't matter if she was Wiccan, Muslim, Catholic, aetheist, or agnostic, etc.

          #18.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:22 PM EDT
          Catjmj

          The only reason there was upset was because she was Wiccan. That's the problem. Other than her religion, she was an exemplary employee and the article said so.

          • 1 vote
          #18.2 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:00 PM EDT
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          Ebeneezer Goode

          Voldemort Lives!

          • 3 votes
          Reply#19 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:03 PM EDT
          MtnMan14ADeleted
          American Woman 3

          TSA should be ashamed of its actions in this case. Managers need to be replaced and this woman needs to be given a huge settlement with back pay and a new job. Not only was this whole thing wrong on the part of Carole's coworkers and supervisors their actions are obviously ILLEGAL! The EEOC's very purpose is to protect people from this sort of behavior. It doesn't matter what religion you profess, religious discrimination in the workplace is wrong! Fire Bagnoli for harassment, bullying and HER inability to do her job properly! Then fire the supervisors that allowed this to continue and who allowed records to be doctored to give them their excuse! Ms Smith, sue their freakin' arses! I agree with another poster here - I have no confidence that Bagnoli has any business on the front line protecting us from terrorists when SHE IS ONE.

          Wicca is a legitimate religion with adherents in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and all over Europe. This kind of stupid behavior and evil backroom whispering is way out of date, shows complete ignorance of the facts, no social awareness and inspires no confidence in our own government to follow our "freedom of religion" clause in the Constitution. I do believe that is listed under one of those "inalienable rights" that is not to be questioned in a free and educated society. The TSA and the judge in this case should be absolutely ashamed. ANYONE can be harassed to the point they are unable to do their job to provide grounds for firing if one is desired. TSA needed to act to stop it before it got to the point that someone's livelihood and career could be trashed in such a callous manner. NO sympathy here for the TSA and EVERY sympathy for this employee. TSA I'm not buying your lying story!

          • 5 votes
          Reply#21 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:44 PM EDT
          gloria fabiaschi

          Funny how the Goon Squad is so flamboyant with their stupidity.even if this idiot told them that this Wiccan lady casted a spell on her. these idiots shouldn't of even considered it. you'd have to be a real idiot to even bring it to a discussion.that's her Religion and more power to her.

          this has nothing to do with casting spells and all that hokus pokus,this has to do because the lady blew the whistle at the goon squad.even if they did bringing up the Wiccan situation it is about as a about of a poor front and excuse that you can have, inorder to get rid of somebody.they used that as an excuse to fire her because she blew the whistle on these Goons.

          Lady i have one word of advice, you work for TRASH like the TSA, you're going to get TRASHED.go back to massage therapy.it's cleaner and more respectable work.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#22 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:17 PM EDT
          M. Onger

          "She was in the top 10 percent in Albany at catching weapons on the X-ray machine"

          Hold On! If she had caught a single weapon at Albany, it would have made the news! So what did she and her fellow top guns really catch?

          Nail clippers ???? Bewitching!

          • 1 vote
          Reply#23 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:15 PM EDT
          Soylent Grin

          Have fun storming the castle.

            Reply#24 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:17 PM EDT
            Yosho

            Think it'll work?

              #24.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:20 PM EDT
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              Amber-1910427

              How ridiculous. Wicca is the one of the most peaceful religions in the world today. Carole, stand strong, and defend your religious freedom!!!

              • 3 votes
              Reply#25 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:48 PM EDT
              Pattie in Maryland

              I just had an argument with my best friend about this one. She thinks that Smith should have taken the opportunity to sit down with Bignoli and explain her religion. I contend that Smith should not be expected to explain her beliefs to a person who, obviously to me, was delusional and imagined someone in the middle of the highway successfully commanding a person's car heater not to work. When is it that we can stop catering to the delusional? Just because someone holds a belief created in his/her own mind, does this really obligate the rest of us to take any course of action? To me, one is responsible for the creations of one's own imagination, and no second person who is the object of one's delusions is required to respond.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#26 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:47 PM EDT
              Catjmj

              I do think had she taken the opportunity to sit down with Bagnoli, then the situation may not have gotten so far out of hand. I also don't think she should have had to though. I find that people are scared of what they don't know and many people associate Wicca with witches with evil spells, etc. I really think Bagnoli should have been fired for making it a hostile work environment for Smith.

              • 2 votes
              #26.1 - Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:46 PM EDT
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