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Vatican sanctions Belgian bishop who abused nephew

Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:41 AM EDT
world-news, eu, church, abuse, vatican
Nicole Winfield, Associated Press

FILE - This Feb. 15, 2007 file photo shows then Bishop of Bruges Roger Vangheluwe, in Bruges, Belgium. The Vatican has sanctioned Vangheluwe, who resigned last year after admitting he had sexually abused his nephew, saying he can no longer act as a priest in public and may risk further sanctions after receiving psychological treatment. The Vatican on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 clarified the sanctions against the former Bruges Bishop Roger Vangheluwe after Belgian bishops reported over the weekend that he had merely been sent outside Belgium for spiritual and psychological counseling. (AP Photo/Peter Maenhoudt, file)

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— The Vatican is using its new rules to crack down on sex abuse by high-ranking churchmen, revealing that it has ordered a Belgian bishop to no longer work as a priest while officials determine his punishment.

Bishop Roger Vangheluwe, 74, admitted abusing his nephew and resigned a year ago, just as the sex abuse scandal was spreading across Europe and the Vatican was revising the way it handled prosecutions of bishops and other top officials.

Over the weekend, Belgian bishops reported that Vangheluwe had merely been sent outside the country for spiritual and psychological counseling, a seemingly cushy measure given the seriousness of the crime.

In a statement responding to queries from The Associated Press, the Vatican clarified on Tuesday that Vangheluwe is being sanctioned, including not being allowed to work as a priest or bishop.

Pope Benedict XVI will eventually decide his fate. Benedict will base a punishment on the diagnosis and prognosis of Vangheluwe's treatment, and on "the suffering of the victims and the need for justice," the Vatican said.

Vangheluwe is still technically a priest, though he is not allowed to celebrate Mass publicly. Among the possible punishments that Benedict can issue is to remove him from the priesthood altogether.

The move against him comes at a time when high-ranking church officials elsewhere are facing increased scrutiny from criminal prosecutors, including a monsignor in Philadelphia and a bishop in Ottawa, Canada, on sex-related charges. Both could land in prison.

A research organization that documents the Catholic sex abuse crisis said the Vatican's order against the Belgian bishop was "long overdue and minimal" and that Vangheluwe should have been thrown out of the priesthood long ago.

"And yet the Vatican's action is notable as one of the few times that it has publicly disciplined a high-ranking church official for child sex crimes," said Anne Barrett Doyle, co-director of BishopAccountability.org.

Belgian prosecutors haven't pressed charges against Vangheluwe. The Vatican said it took action even though its own statute of limitations had expired.

Sex abuse victims accuse the church of letting off the hook bishops who molested minors or helped cover for priests who did.

Last May, the church revised its rules to enable its chief enforcer, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to prosecute bishops and cardinals, not just priests. In the past, the pope would delegate the cases of bishops who committed canonical crimes to various Vatican offices or the Roman Rota, a Vatican court.

Vangheluwe, Belgium's longest-serving bishop, admitted he had abused a boy for years as a priest and even after becoming a bishop in 1984. It later was established that the victim, now in his early 40s, was his nephew.

The revision of the church's sex abuse norms came as the sex abuse scandal exploded.

Thousands of people came forward in Europe and elsewhere with reports of priests who had abused them, bishops who covered up for them and Vatican officials who ignored the crimes for decades.

Victims' advocates said children will remain at risk as long as the Vatican declines to go after bishops who allowed the abuse to continue by moving pedophile priests from parish to parish rather than turning them in to police.

"If the pope can't ever bring himself to say, 'This man is being demoted because he enabled pedophile priests to hurt kids,' then there's little real chance for internal reform," said David Clohessy, national director for the U.S. victims' group Survivors Network for those Abused by Priests, or SNAP.

In Philadelphia, Monsignor William Lynn became the first church official to be indicted on child endangerment charges.

Lynn, the former secretary for clergy in the Philadelphia archdiocese, is accused of knowingly moving known abusers around. He faces up to 28 years in prison if convicted. Defense lawyers say Lynn didn't have any children under his care and never thought any children were being put at risk.

Next month, a federal court in Ottawa is due to put Bishop Raymond Lahey on trial on child pornography charges. He resigned as bishop of Antigonish, Nova Scotia, in 2009, after authorities said they found child pornography while conducting a random search of his laptop computer at an airport.

Such criminal cases are virtually unheard of, since the statute of limitations has often prevented prosecution.

Until recently there also hasn't been the political appetite among U.S. prosecutors, many of whom are elected, to go after clergymen for abuse, said Marci Hamilton, a law professor and co-counsel in a number of sex abuse lawsuits filed against the Philadelphia archdiocese.

She called the Lynn case a "tipping point," in that a Catholic prosecutor is taking the political risk to prosecute a monsignor for an abuse-related crime.

"This was a huge moment in the history of this problem for the church because it was the first time in the U.S. that anyone above a priest had been indicted in an abuse case, and in particular for covering up abuse," Hamilton said.

Vatican officials said they are awaiting the outcome of the Ottawa trial before continuing with their own case against Lahey.

Under last year's revision of the sex abuse norms, acquiring, possessing and distributing pornography of children under age 14 years is considered to be an equally serious canonical crime that the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith deals with.

Beyond Lahey, Vatican officials declined to say which other bishops might come before the congregation for abuse-related punishments.

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Smith Cassidy

Here's the thing: if the church and its priests really believed in God and the Bible, Heaven and Hell and all the rest, it's pretty clear that all those who have committed this crime (and sin) are going straight to Hell, no if's, and's or but's, right?

There is NO excusing these actions in 'common' men, let alone men 'of the cloth'.

Unless, of course, they don't really believe all they preach...

And when you have to have

sex abuse norms ... giving the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith jurisdiction to investigate and punish bishops — not just priests — who abuse minors.

you are dealing with first-class sinners.

Pretty f'n ironic.

And there is no excusing these actions...no sanctioning, pardoning, or otherwise absolving a priest of these acts...

Straight to Hell with you, motherfker. Enjoy your stay.

  • 1 vote
#1 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:26 PM EDT
army of insight

Nope... all they have to do is say the magic words on their death bed and problem solved. Christians will argue they have to "really be sorry" and accept it in their heart or whatever but they have a huge built in get out of jail free card.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:30 PM EDT
American Illuminati

They set themselves up for this. Do whatever you want in life, then as long as you say a few magical words before you die the magical sky fairy forgives you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penance#Roman_Catholicism

What a bunch of ignorant non-sense followed by ignorant people.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:39 PM EDT
Smith Cassidy

Yup. How nice...and good for them.

Since you (we) can do anything and be forgiven, what's the sense in not doing something you really want to do when, according to those who care for the spirit and tend to the soul (too f'n funny), anybody can be forgiven anything?

I mean, if a priest (lots of priests), who you would assume knows better, does something like this, tell me what is unforgivable?

And not only are they abusing minors, they are closet homosexuals!

Too funny.

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:41 PM EDT
Debora-389330

Hello Smith Cassidy,

There is a really huge difference in someone who says they are a Christian and yet do not believe they need to the salvation that Jesus life purchased for them and someone who knows that without salvation from Jesus (confessing our sins to Jesus, asking him to forgive us and asking him to save our soul) they will perish and go to hell.

I don't know one Priest who believes in the salvation of Jesus the way I have described it above. I certainly hope there is one out there.

What this man did is disgusting and that poor child will pay the price for the rest of his life. This man desesrves to go to jail and if he is not saved he will go to hell. If he askes God for forgiveness and accepts Jesus as his savior he will go to heaven, but he will pay for the disgusting things he has done, right here on earth.

There is only one unforgiveable sin and that is rejecting Jesus Christ as your personal savior. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have ever lasting life. If a human does not believe in Jesus Christ with their whole heart, mind and soul they would not even understand their need for salvation.

This "priest" doesn't know Jesus or he would never have done this. You are right they are closet homosexuals.

The sad part is that no where in the Bible does it say that a Priest cannot be married, that is a man's law. It say he must be the husband of ONE wife. There are also specifics about the woman he is to marry.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:34 PM EDT
American Illuminati

Debora-389330
Why does your fairy tale book have any more credibility then the Quran? Or the word of mouth religions out of Asia? In any case, why is any more credible then anyone else's opinion on the world??
And Argumentum Ad Populum doesn't hold in any water in this debate.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:47 PM EDT
Debora-389330

American Illuminati, The Bible is not a fairy tale book and it was written by God; words given to man by God, to be written to help guide our lives. I will not argue this point with you because if you are not going to see the truth, arguing will only drive you further away.

The quran is full of hateful acts towards the followers as well as anyone who does not believe what they say.

In The Bible the only way a person will ever suffer is to reject Jesus Christ. I know that God had some very strict rules for people but if you read everything and why it was put into place it was for the protection of the people.

In the quran if you are not with them you are to be killed. ?? That is not love.

God loves us, He doesn't love our sin, He loves us. Every person on this earth.

You know, no one will ever be able to say a few magical words and get away with the sins they commit here on earth. Especially someone who stands in a pulpit, they are held to a much higher standard, they will suffer for what they have done and they should.

There is not one person who has violated a child, woman or man who will not pay for what they have done. They will pay here on earth and in eternity.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:56 PM EDT
PeaceBlessing

Nope... all they have to do is say the magic words on their death bed and problem solved. Christians will argue they have to "really be sorry" and accept it in their heart or whatever but they have a huge built in get out of jail free card.

Not true, God instructed what should be done to murderers and rapist, and because we do not do it, don't blame God for it. Plain and simple they are to be removed from society, capital punishment, once it is proven they are guilty of premeditated murder and rape (taken by force and/or by abuse of a child/children) and it doesn't matter how long it takes for us to learn of the crime in the flesh, they are to be dispatched to God immediately. Does that mean they can not be forgiven by God, well, that is God's business, but it sure means we do not have to continue to allow them to live among us in the flesh.

The truth is, murderers and rapist haven't even had their real trial,that doesn't happen until they are standing before God, it doesn't matter what they think or what we think, however what does happen is we act contrary to what God instructs then we turn around and blame God because these criminals continue to live among us and therefore continue to commit the same crimes over and over. This is why God instructs those who believe in Him to not fret over everdoers even those who think they are getting away with something, they aren't and they will get exactly what they deserve regardless from God. I trust God, flesh hasn't ever been able to do what is right except for our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ that is. Those of us who believe in God and His only begotten Son know that God is fair in all things.

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:59 PM EDT
army of insight

Deb: Plenty of hate to go around in the bible. This man no matter how he changes should not be let in to this "kingdom". The Bible is a story book that was written by men to control the masses. Help guide our lives? When was the last time you needed to know the proper way to buy and sell slaves, or kill your offspring, or slaughter every first born in a city? So much for love...

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:03 PM EDT
army of insight

Peace- either way if they apologize and mean it they will be let in to this eternal after party? I would agree that capitol punishment should be visited as an option that's about all I agree with.

    #1.9 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:07 PM EDT
    Debora-389330

    Army of Insight, I know there are time in God's word where you see hatred. That is because we are human and the Bible is filled with human life. The everyday that we all deal with. The people in the Bible are not perfect they are as real as you and I and deal with the injustice to one another as we all do.

    The Bible is not to control the masses it is a book to guide you to live you life clean and pure. Do you know if people had listended to God and never has sex outside of marriage to the oposite sex there would be no AIDS!. No, VD of any kind.

    YOu just don't understand why God allowed those things to happen because you have not sat down and read the entire book for yourself asking God to help you know what was happening. The First born were killed in Egypt because the king said that would be the punishment for the Jews and therefore God took his words and gave the punishment to the Egyptians for not releasing God's people.

    Yes there were slaves then as there are today! The earth is still hiding from any lessons it should have learned and we are still all human beings. NOT perfect in any way. So why would God love us so much?? Because He created us.

    This is truly not the topic, but I know that God is real and that we as human beings have a free will and unfortunately we express it in ugly ways. God does love us, so much that He waits for us to turn to Him for 1. salvation, and 2. security.

    As a saved Christian my life is not easy, I'm not rich, I have sickness, heart ache and pain just like everyone else does. I have a security in the fact that I know when I die I will be with Jesus because He promised if anyone calls on Him and asked for salvation He will be just and save them. It is surely not because I am good that Jesus saved me.

    Listen, I have felt sometimes so angry and asking God why??? Why do so many children have to suffer. It is not God's will it is because sin was brought into the world and satan uses that sin in as many ways as he can for bad. God can use many things for good that satan trys to make bad.

    I know a young girl who is saved by Jesus and has a very bad illness. She is dying and yet she still shows the love of Jesus to all around her. She knows that God has special plans for her right where she is.

    I am a military wife stationed in Germany and must go now, I have to go to bed and rest before work. I'll see you all tomorrow.

    • 3 votes
    #1.10 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:16 PM EDT
    army of insight

    Deb: So you are saying the Bible is god's book yet you say it reflects our humanity. Maybe that is because it was written by men. If God were to write a book why not do it from a perspective we would have no choice but to acknowledge. Why not add a genetics part of the bible that would have sped up medicine 100's of years. Why not just let us all know he is here with a big "god was here" crater on the moon. Deb I have read a fair amount of the bible and my grandfather is a preacher so my grasp on the Christian ideology is not the issue. For instance a recent study came out that proved atheists and agnostics know more about religion that the religious people. (Really says something when you think about it)

    • 2 votes
    #1.11 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:26 PM EDT
    Little Sure Shot

    Wow, sanctioned...bfd. How about a mugshot and some shinny bracelets?

    • 1 vote
    #1.12 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:52 PM EDT
    American Illuminati

    The Bible is not a fairy tale book and it was written by God

    Prove it.........................what's that? You have as much credibility as any other crazy cultist who started a 'religion' for their own power grab.
    Muslims claim the Quran was written by God, why are you right and they wrong?
    Because of an arbitrary ideaolgy that you were born into and have never questioned with any significant degree of scrutiny, cause if you had, you'd see the utter RIDICULOUSNESS and ABSURDITY of claiming your book and only your book was written by 'God'.

    There is not one person who has violated a child, woman or man who will not pay for what they have done. They will pay here on earth and in eternity.

    Sounds like your beliefs add up to hopeful/glorified karma.

    • 1 vote
    #1.13 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:08 PM EDT
    bonos_rama

    The Bible is not a fairy tale book and it was written by God

    Sorry, but Ganesh says that it IS a fairy tale book. And he has been around for a good 6000 years before your "christ". He says you should read the Vedas and repent or else you will go to Naraka after you die.

    Why not hedge your bets and just believe in Ganesh in your heart? I'd hate to be in your shoes on Judgment Day if you reject him.

    • 2 votes
    #1.14 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:32 PM EDT
    Debora-389330

    You know if God had chosen to have the Bible read in such a way that we could not relate to the things that happened in it what good would it be to us. The Bible is written to nurture us, teach us, guide us and grow us. If we tried to live as God we would all be frustrated in a matter of moments. We follow the lead that Jesus did here on earth. We try to live our lives to the best of our ability but we allow God to change us from our sinful ways to a more righteous way of life. The process will take the rest of our lives how ever long that may be.

    The god the muslims serve is not the Living God, if he were they would believe in Jesus Christ and they don't.

    I love the fact that the people of the Bible are real humans and not actors in a mytical book. This gives me the opportunity to see what they did to deal with the problems that confront us daily.

    You know I truly believe that the study that shows who knows more about the Bible is a very misleading point. I know people who read and study God's word daily for hours and God shows them things in different times of their lives depending on what is needed at that time. NO one knows everything about the Bible. The Bible comes from God and his thoughts and ways are much higher than our human thoughts or ways will ever be.

    bonos_rama ganesh is nothing more than an idol. God says not to serve idols that cannot speak nor hear. God speaks and God hears what we say, I don't need a gold idol. Just amazing that you even think a piece of gold can do anything, except sit there.

    • 1 vote
    #1.15 - Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:16 AM EDT
    PeaceBlessing

    Peace- either way if they apologize and mean it they will be let in to this eternal after party?

    Actually repentance means to have a change that is of the heart/mind, simply to apologize does not quite do it for anyone. Think about it, many of those who abuse will in many cases be telling their vitims that they are sorry all while they continue to abuse them? Repentance takes action, meaning a sincere change in heart/mind in understanding that which you did and/or are doing is wrong, therby you stop doing that which is wrong by your understanding it is wrong in your heart/mind and you go forward in life not doing that which is wrong.

    Bottomline, God only expected that one be given one opportunity in the flesh to murder or rape, after that one time, they were to be dispatched to Him. We give murderers and rapist opportunty to murder and rape to their hearts content, then we complain about the fact that they murder and rape. Even locking them away in jail doesn't do according to what God instructs because in many a case what do murderers and rapist do in jail?yes, they continue to murder and rape in jail. One might say that doesn't matter because they are only doing it to other criminals, well consider that many who end up in jail aren't there for committing crimes that would justify them being murdered and/or raped by a murderer and a rapist even in jail and they should have never been acquainted with such a person as that person should have been sentenced to die immediately in public upon conviction, and thereby many others who may be prone to murder/rape would see and have a change of heart/mind not to end up in the same fate.

    I would agree that capitol punishment should be visited as an option that's about all I agree with.

    This is why I am glad that God does not require that we agree in the flesh, just that we believe in Him and attempt to do as He instructs; this, for me, makes living in flesh less complicated.

    • 1 vote
    #1.16 - Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:07 PM EDT
    American Illuminati

    Great deflection Deb. I know you can't answer using logic, so deflecting probably was your best option.

    The god the muslims serve is not the Living God, if he were they would believe in Jesus Christ and they don't.

    Oh, Allah isn't the living 'God'. What a semantical bunch of religious non-sense.

    And we've gotten quite far away from the original point of, why you think your religion is right and theirs is wrong. Which you have not answered with anything other then Buybull pablum.

    • 2 votes
    #1.17 - Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:34 PM EDT
    Debora-389330

    American Illuminati - One cannot answer a person using logic who does not believe in God to start with because they do not understand logic.

    The allah the muslims worship is not the God I worship. The only living God is the God of all creation, Aba Father God of the One and Only Jesus Christ. Muslims don't believe in Jesus so we do not serve the same god.

      #1.18 - Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:28 AM EDT
      gordy327

      One cannot answer a person using logic who does not believe in God to start with because they do not understand logic.

      There is nothing logical about god! Faith excludes logic.

      The only living God is the God of all creation, Aba Father God of the One and Only Jesus Christ.

      That's nice. prove it!

      Muslims don't believe in Jesus so we do not serve the same god.

      Yet you're conceited enough to proclaim your god is superior to theirs or that your beliefs are correct and theirs (or anyone else's) is not. Wow, talk about sanctimonious arrogance!

      ganesh is nothing more than an idol.

      So is your god! What's the difference betwenn them? Your claims of your god being the "real" god is just as valid as another claims for their god. Besides, we all know the one true Real god is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. RAMEN!

      • 3 votes
      #1.19 - Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:55 AM EDT
      American Illuminati

      Wow, did you read this sentence after you wrote it??

      One cannot answer a person using logic who does not believe in God to start with because they do not understand logic.

      Someone who believes in God can not answer someone using logic, because the unbeliever doesn't use logic??
      Seriously, religious arrogance and dogma has you Religious nuts so wrapped up in nonsense you can't even form cohesive sentences anymore.

      Gordy says everything else that I want to.

      In your arrogance you can't see that your no better then anyone else from any other religion, you all do the same thing with different books.
      Stand indignantly ignorant to reality.

      • 3 votes
      #1.20 - Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:15 PM EDT
      Auteur 1536

      One cannot answer a person using logic who does not believe in God to start with because they do not understand logic.

      Are you related to Sarah Palin?

      That is because we are human and the Bible is filled with human life.

      More like it's filled with the abuse and destruction of human life.

      The Bible is not a fairy tale book and it was written by God

      Wrong. The bible was written by Man. The bible is the word of Man.

      The quran is full of hateful acts towards the followers as well as anyone who does not believe what they say.

      So is it a good thing that that pastor burned a copy of the Koran?

      God loves us, He doesn't love our sin, He loves us.

      At least try to be convincing. Lying is a sin. Either be straight forward or don't say anything at all.

      There is not one person who has violated a child, woman or man who will not pay for what they have done.

      Apparently you haven't read all of your bible carefully because the bible advocates for the rape of women and children.

      • 2 votes
      #1.21 - Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:55 AM EDT
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      army of insight

      Sickening this man should be arrested and locked up immediately. Let him get defrocked in prison. Example #1234516347698342764751 of why religion is an unnecessary burden on man kind.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#2 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:29 PM EDT
      nmbg

      Religion, ideology - what's the difference? For the left, ideology IS their religion, and it manifests as oppressively unyielding zealotry over concepts.

        #2.1 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:29 PM EDT
        Little Sure Shot

        I have always found it interesting that in biblical times, men who heard voices were declared to be "prophets" but men today who hear voices are called delusional, schizophrenic, or mentally ill.

          #2.2 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT
          army of insight

          Or Glen Beck.... NM- I would agree that my perspective is my religion. To expand it and gain knowledge is what I think it's all about. At the end of the day your perspective is all you have and what makes you who you are. You can throw ideology in there because I operate on a moral level of right and wrong based on said perspective. Liberals operate on reason and compassion which should operate as fundamental components in our government.

          • 1 vote
          #2.3 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:30 PM EDT
          PeaceBlessing

          I have always found it interesting that in biblical times, men who heard voices were declared to be "prophets" but men today who hear voices are called delusional, schizophrenic, or mentally ill.

          The difference is the true Prophets of biblical times were hearing God's voice which is how God chose to instruct those He created in that time. We, in this day, if we choose, have His written word which is what those true Prophets He chose to write his word did based on His instructions.

          I hear voices from time to time myself, I'll hear this voice that says "did you remember to turn off the stove?" then I'll say out loud...No, darn it, then I go back inside and turn off the stove or I hear a voice that says, no don't go that way today, later I'll learn there was a major accident that would have made me late if I hadn't listen to that voice and went a different way that day.

          I think the issue is when the voice you hear isn't saying things that would help you or anyone else....voices that demean you as a person and/or voices that tell you to hurt yourself or hurt others, then one might need to see a specialist or if you believe in God, pray and ask God to help take and/or protect you from those type of voices in Jesus Christ name. God is faithful to help those who love, trust, believe and have faith in Him.

            #2.4 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:50 PM EDT
            army of insight

            So the difference is there is no difference at all? The only thing you are saying is "no no... those people REALLY WERE talking to god. But now we have books and written word? There was written word in the times of Moses and yet God choose to speak.

              #2.5 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:00 PM EDT
              PeaceBlessing

              There was written word in the times of Moses and yet God choose to speak.

              Well, God did say he put the spirit of slumber on some...our Father does know best.

                #2.6 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:08 PM EDT
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                Rhazes

                The Vatican is the worlds oldest criminal organization.

                In the U.S. they should be rounded up and charged under the RICO act.

                • 6 votes
                Reply#3 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:34 PM EDT
                eric fuller

                Why don't they excommunicate him? It should be the logical conclusion.

                  Reply#4 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:37 PM EDT
                  Smith Cassidy

                  Before or after they castrate him?

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.1 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:42 PM EDT
                  eric fuller

                  He still has hands and a mouth to do his pederastic acts.

                  • 2 votes
                  #4.2 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:57 PM EDT
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                  SuperPenisDeleted
                  Clifton-2165735

                  You know how to get a Nun pregnant? Dress her up like a choirboy.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#6 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:16 PM EDT
                  SuperPenisDeleted
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                  Aristippos

                  I lived 6 years in Belgium. What memories....

                  If the catholic church and their leaders, (as well as any other institutionalised religion and its leaders) would see the church (churches) and their governance as religious entities, godly power and voices for humanity, they would take a level of responsibility that does NOT stop with "sanctions".

                  Sanctions in this context is simply laughable.

                  And then this man of god himself has the audacity to say:

                  "he can no longer act as a priest in public"

                  I must ask, what he means by "in public". Does he wish to continue "practicing" in "private"?

                  Amazing!!!

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                  Reply#7 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:28 PM EDT
                  Aristippos

                  Unfourtunately the 'scratching' or 'crossing' of words does not funtion here.

                    Reply#8 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
                    Little Sure Shot

                    You are right, I just tried it and it does not work. It is supposed to be the ABC with the line through it.

                      #8.1 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:16 PM EDT
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                      Douglas (Doug E) E Brafford

                      Public castration and torture is the only solution, not only for the offending priests, but also to all those who knew what they had done and allowed them continued access to children

                        Reply#9 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:06 PM EDT
                        Aristippos

                        @ Doug E

                        I have often been keen on using torture for people who refuse to respect other humans, i.e. like this case of a so-called priest. However, I find an individual COULD be indeed sick enough to comit such crimes, but I do expect a more significant reaction coming from an institution. As far as I know, an institution has no character, it has no psych, thus it must act as a responsible institution and not just recommend therapy. No excuses!

                          Reply#10 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:30 PM EDT
                          Jeff in Houston

                          The only acceptable out come is for the animal to be handed over to the authroities where the crime was committed. Try him.

                          If the Vaticvan does anything less, then they are nothing more than a haven for pedophiles and should be scorned as such.

                            Reply#11 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:49 PM EDT
                            drpaul

                            A slap on the wrist for this god da*n FREAK! How 'bout some jail time so he can get all the gay sex he wants (or doesn't want, for that matter).

                              Reply#12 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
                              baddestbob

                              another father o'kneel.

                              when it is all over, the church will be the devil's enforcer in hell.

                                Reply#13 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:05 PM EDT
                                robot-2760353

                                Where's a cop when you need one?

                                  Reply#14 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:26 PM EDT
                                  jrone

                                  What's the Vatican punishment for incest?

                                    Reply#15 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:32 PM EDT
                                    Little Sure Shot

                                    A promotion.

                                      #15.1 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:19 PM EDT
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                                      baddestbob

                                      they take away your friday meat eating privileges. that may be a very harsh penalty when you think about it.

                                        Reply#16 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:08 PM EDT
                                        Kevin Mirek

                                        Hey, HEY! Benedict ...

                                        Turn the criminal over to the police for prosecution! End of that story. Then get your ass out of your marble bed and go check out every parish in the world. You have a lot of work to do to clean up this mess and make us Catholics believe you care about truth and justice.

                                        Well, get to it !!!

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                                        Reply#17 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:46 PM EDT
                                        SmallIslandBoy

                                        How can a gay pope be against his gay priestly followers. Sons do as thier fathers do. Priests do as their fatherly popes do. People this is ridiculous. Catholic religion is just a big joke nowadays because everything goes wrong from the head down. I really don't know how or why Catholics are able to go to church on sundays and listen to rapists and sex violaters. This is absurd. i would prefer my son to go to a strip club than to listen to a boy predator.

                                        I think to curb this problem they should simply legalize gay marriage amongst priests. That way Bishop Roger can have a go at Pope "Good-Dick" Benedick.

                                          Reply#18 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:30 PM EDT
                                          Kevin Mirek

                                          Smalls,

                                          We Catholics won't give up on the Church, even if some of its priests and bishops are not worthy to wear the vestments. There is more to the religion than that. Yours is a simplistic view that a bad apple spoils the barrel, and I, for one, am not ready to give up my faith because a criminal has found his way into the priesthood. Your post accuses all priests, and that is wrong.

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                                          #18.1 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:50 PM EDT
                                          JohnRussell

                                          Yet you are the Catholic who insults your spiritual leader by name. That doesn't seem like the act of a reverent Catholic.

                                          These threads inevitably become Catholic bashing and religion bashing fests, and are worthless other than as examples of mindless hatred.

                                          These liberals religions are arrogance and mean spiritedness.

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                                          #18.2 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:32 PM EDT
                                          Kevin Mirek

                                          John,

                                          The Pope is a man, and he earns respect by creating a safe environment for my kids. Until he accomplishes that, I'll call him wherever I like and not feel bad about it. Take your misplaced and contrived indignation to someone else; I am not buying it.

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                                          #18.3 - Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:18 AM EDT
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                                          Max 3PO

                                          We will all be judged according to our days. I will fall on my knees weeping for mercy, for all that I could have done and didn't. I will plead for mercy for the wrong I did when I had the chance to do right. I will be joyful for being in the presence of God knowing I have the saving grace of Jesus Christ beside me. We will all make it to heaven's gate, forgiveness will be the reward to let us enter. We can cast judgement, condemn others to death, and live with hate for others, but, remember Jesus holds the keys to heaven, death and hell . I don't know why people do what they do, story's like this are disturbing because of the pain it cause's all closely involved. How the Bible is translated is always going to be a topic of discussion. Being able to forgive someone is the most powerful gift we have as humans. Being able to forgive takes all the hate away. Forgiving and being forgiven is the message I receive from the Bible. We are only human but have one of the greatest gifts God has to offer, Jesus Christ. We all have the gift of forgiving, my heart is moved when I see someone forgive another, and when another forgives me. What this man did was wrong, how he is punished is up to him, the church and others. We are all held accountable for our days. I find it easier on myself not carry hate. In today's World it is very hard to do, I try to get rid of it as fast as I can by finding a way to forgive. God Bless, safe travel.

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                                          Reply#19 - Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:20 AM EDT
                                          PeaceBlessing

                                          Hi Max 3PO,

                                          I find it easier on myself not carry hate. In today's World it is very hard to do, I try to get rid of it as fast as I can by finding a way to forgive.

                                          I agree with you. What is also important is that those who love, believe, trust and have faith in God always remember WHO does the saving (offers salvation) and WHO does the forgiving of sin upon sincere repentance. We are to pray for our ability to forgive others their trespasses against us, as well as our desire based on our own change of heart/mind, to be forgiven by any we ourselves trespass against and that all others act and/or carry themselves accordingly, but we are never to forget that it is our Father in Heaven through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ who does the saving from and the forgiving of any and all sin and God is always fair and will always judge each accordingly as to what is in each of our own heart/mind.

                                          Repenting without sincere repentance which is to have a change (understand what you did that is wrong (trespass) against, and believing that in your heart/mind so that when you pray you reflect that change of heart/mind before God as He is a heart/mind knower and will know of your sincerity based on what is in your heart/mind.

                                          Basically, God knows if one is sincere even when we in the flesh may not, therefore, our ability to forgive others does not need to reflect whether or not that person is sincere in their heart/mind or not just that we are sincere in our own heart/mind which simply means that we trust that God is fair in all things and that we each get exactly what we deserve from God based on His full knowledge of what is in each of our own heart/mind.

                                          Max thank you for sharing your belief, I have sent you a FR, please accept if you so choose.

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                                          #19.1 - Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:29 AM EDT
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