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US hits credit limit, setting up 11-week fight

Mon May 16, 2011 12:13 PM EDT
business, politics, us, timothy-geithner, debt-limit, limit
Paul Wiseman, AP Economics Writer
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WASHINGTON — The government has maxed out its credit card.

The United States reached its $14.3 trillion limit on federal borrowing Monday, leaving Congress 11 weeks to raise the threshold or risk a financial panic or another recession.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner formally notified Congress that the government would halt its investments in two federal pension plans so it won't exceed the borrowing limit.

Geithner said the government could get by with bookkeeping maneuvers like that through Aug. 2. After that, the government could default on its debt for the first time, threatening the national credit rating and the dollar.

Geithner sent Congress a letter saying he would be unable to make the pension investments in full. He urged Congress to raise the debt limit "in order to protect the full faith and credit of the United States and avoid catastrophic economic consequences for citizens."

Republican leaders in the House have said they won't raise the debt limit unless the Obama administration first agrees to big spending cuts or to steps to lower the debt over the long run.

House Speaker John Boehner repeated the pledge in a statement Monday. The statement did not address Geithner's warning about what would happen if the limit were not raised.

"Americans understand we simply can't keep spending money we don't have," Boehner said. "There will be no debt limit increase without serious budget reforms and significant spending cuts."

Republicans have also ruled out any tax increases, including any plans to end tax cuts for high earners enacted in 2001 and 2003.

"We need to have a vote to lift the debt ceiling because the consequences of not doing so would be quite serious," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters. "And those who suggest otherwise are whistling past the graveyard."

If it doesn't raise the limit, Congress would have to come up with $738 billion to make up for what it planned to borrow through the end of the fiscal year on Sept. 30. The options are drastic: Cut 40 percent of the budget through September, which might mean defaulting on payments to investors in government bonds; raise taxes immediately; or some combination of the two.

"In the economic area, this is the equivalent of nuclear war," says Edward Knight, who was the Treasury Department's general counsel during a standoff over the debt ceiling in the mid-1990s.

Here are some questions and answers about the federal debt limit:

Q: What is the debt ceiling?

A: It's a legal limit on how much debt the government can pile up. The government accumulates debt two ways: It borrows money from investors by issuing Treasury bonds, and it borrows from itself, mostly from Social Security revenue.

In 2010, Congress raised the limit to nearly $14.3 trillion from $12.4 trillion. Three decades ago, the national debt was $908 billion. But Washington spent more than it took in, and the debt rose steadily — surpassing $1 trillion in 1982, then $5 trillion in 1996. It reached $10 trillion in 2008 as the financial crisis and recession dried up tax revenue and as the government spent more on unemployment benefits and other programs.

Congress created the debt limit in 1917. It's unique to the United States. Most countries let their debts rise automatically when government spending outpaces tax revenue. Raising the debt ceiling doesn't usually create much of a stir. Congress has raised it 10 times since 2001.

A refusal to raise the debt ceiling wouldn't mean that Congress had begun to solve the nation's budget problems. It would just mean that lawmakers were refusing to let the government borrow more money to finance programs and tax cuts already approved.

"Having voted to run up the bill, it is utterly irresponsible to prohibit the government from borrowing the money to pay it," writes Howard Gleckman, resident fellow at the Urban Institute.

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Q: What is the federal debt, and how does it differ from the deficit?

A: The deficit is how much government spending exceeds tax revenue during a year. The government is expected to run a record $1.5 trillion deficit in the current fiscal year. The debt is the sum of deficits past and present. If Congress raises the limit, the debt will reach $15.5 trillion by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year. The huge deficits and debt reflect tax cuts, wars, the Obama administration's stimulus program, higher costs of federal health care programs and the recession, which shrank tax revenue and led the government to spend more on social programs.

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Q: What happens now that Treasury has hit its debt limit?

A: It can free up $232 billion by taking what Geithner calls "extraordinary measures." Besides suspending contributions to federal employee pension funds, the government can halt payments to a government fund that buys and sells foreign currencies.

The most serious debt-ceiling showdown was in 1995. At the time, the debt limit was just $4.9 trillion. Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin used gimmicks and juggled the government's books to keep government finances afloat for four and a half months before Congress and the Clinton White House reached a deal to end the impasse.

Geithner's Treasury Department won't have as much cushion because the debt is growing much faster than in the mid-1990s. Geithner estimates he'll run out of options Aug. 2.

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Q: What would happen if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2 or whenever Treasury exhausts all its short-options?

A: Things would get ugly fast. "When bills became due, we could not pay all of them," says Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Budget, a bipartisan group that advocates cutting the debt. "If that happens, you shake up markets as you've never seen before. ... It's inconceivable we would willingly walk ourselves over the cliff."

The government needs to borrow $738 billion to get through the fiscal year that ends Sept. 30, according to the Congressional Research Service. Somehow, it would have to close that gap. It could:

— Cut government spending dramatically. To put things in context, $738 billion is equal to 40 percent of the $1.7 trillion that the government is expected to spend in the last six months of the fiscal year. Everything from military salaries to Medicare and Social Security benefits to interest payments on the debt would be vulnerable.

— Come up with $738 billion in new tax revenue, increasing by 66 percent the $1.1 trillion the government is expected to collect in taxes in the second half of the fiscal year.

— Choose a combination of draconian spending cuts and tax increases.

If investors become convinced the U.S. will renege on its debts, they'll sell Treasurys to avoid the risk that the government might not make good on them. That would drive Treasury prices down and push interest rates up, raising the borrowing costs on everything from mortgages to cars. Higher rates would likely slow the economy.

So far, bond investors are taking the threat in stride; the yield on 10-year Treasury notes remains low at 3.17 percent. U.S. Treasurys are still considered perhaps the safest available investment, a haven for investors worldwide.

As Aug. 2 approaches, there's a bigger risk that investors will become nervous.

"It would tell the world that the U.S. can't get its act together, that this is basically a circus," says William Gross, an influential investor who is managing director of the world's biggest bond fund, Pimco. "Investors ultimately won't want to be held hostage by a bunch of clowns."

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Q: If the consequences are so dire, why is Congress suggesting it might not raise the limit?

A: As the political divide between Republicans and Democrats has widened, the debt ceiling has emerged as a divisive issue. In recent years, the party that doesn't control the White House has used the issue to whack the party that does.

In 2006, for instance, Senate Democrats voted unanimously against raising the debt limit for President George W. Bush to protest his tax cuts and the invasion of Iraq — a vote that President Barack Obama, then a senator, says he regrets. The situation reversed in 2010: No Senate Republicans supported a higher debt limit for Obama, accusing him of reckless government spending. Congress approved the higher limit anyway because Democrats had a majority in both the House and Senate.

Congress has always ended up raising the debt ceiling before a financial crackup.

Republicans, many of them elected in November on a pledge to slash spending, are betting that the debt-ceiling deadline offers leverage to demand deep budget cuts from the Obama administration.

Obama wants to narrow the federal gaps and reduce debts, in part by reducing spending, in part by ending tax cuts for higher-income Americans enacted under President George W. Bush. But Republican lawmakers say they refuse to consider tax hikes.

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Paul Lucero

Fire him he is to OWNED to trust!

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Mon May 16, 2011 12:28 PM EDT
onevoiceamongmany

Name one politician that is not owned.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Mon May 16, 2011 1:44 PM EDT
TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

This Nation was built on debt arising from the Revolutionary War.Why stop now?In the previous 200+ years,it wasn't an issue.Hmmm,what could be the differeNce now?Just sayin'...

Don't forget to SPay or NEWTer your local GOP/bagger.*

*denotes-This is sarcasm.This is not crosshairs.This is not 'surveyor site' marks.This is not meant to literally cause harm to anyone.Sheesh.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Mon May 16, 2011 6:46 PM EDT
OverPaidCivilServant

Do you realize how silly that looks? To just blame 1 party?

Where have you been the last 30 years?

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Tue May 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
onevoiceamongmany

Both parties are responsible. However I do hold the GOP at 65% of the blame and the democrats at 35% +/- 5% room for error and leeway in light of new evidence that may come up later on. I think the GOP are the worse offenders but the democrats have definitely committed the same crimes, just not to the same degree. That was why I left the democrats, I realized they were doing the same thing the GOP was.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Tue May 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT
mountainfirefall

the government would halt its investments in two federal pension plans

anybody check those?

    #1.5 - Wed May 25, 2011 12:30 PM EDT
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    rickace

    Great stuff from our Tax Dodger in Chief.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Mon May 16, 2011 12:29 PM EDT
    onevoiceamongmany

    Better than our Draft Dodger in Chief...

    At least the Dems did pass the debt ceiling when they were in the minority when President George W Bush was in office. Heck, even Reagan told the Congress not to mess around with the debt ceiling... yet for political advantage that has even gone to the wayside... joy...

    Now all we have are platitudes on forums instead of intelligent debate.

    • 6 votes
    #2.1 - Mon May 16, 2011 1:46 PM EDT
    TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

    Now the righties have to live paycheck to paycheck...always wondering if their home of the free will be foreclosed by the bank...while trying to negotiate something better...in a bad economy...possibly losing their jobs if they don't accomplish enough...fighting also with a healthcare provider about a lack of money for payment...and working ridiculous hours...with family at home waiting for them to show up and eat dinner...with no end in sight...Just sayin'.

      #2.2 - Tue May 17, 2011 12:28 AM EDT
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      Borncorn

      I wonder how politically powerful the Companies that invest this pension money are. This could get interesting.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#3 - Mon May 16, 2011 1:18 PM EDT
      Brer RabbitDeleted
      WatchTheOtherHand

      The House should simply pass a law stating that the debt must be financed before ANY other money is appropriated for other uses. I know Dems and Obama wouldn't go for it, but at least no one can say the house didn't pass a bill to ward off the worst of what is coming.

      These is plenty of revenue coming in on a consistent basis to avoid defaults on our obligations, which is where all the fear-mongering on the left is trying claim will happen.

      Then if the debt ceiling isn't raised we get our government spending cuts as there simply won't be money to fund all the programs left over.

        Reply#5 - Mon May 16, 2011 4:39 PM EDT
        onevoiceamongmany

        You should tell Reagan that... he had a different opinion of it.

        If we had enough revenue coming in to pay our obligations we wouldn't be running a deficit. If you like street lights, sanitation systems, the weather channel, emergency systems in case there is a hurricane, earthquake, flood, tornados... if you like highways, clean water, and food that is not white paint labeled as milk, if you like our military police and firefighters, this list goes on for days and days... NASA... If you cut all of these programs we fund we might have enough revenue for all our obligations in debt. Otherwise it is not feasible. You need to raise the debt ceiling and then make a true conceted effort at cutting the costs. However you won't be able to do that until special interests aren't able to fund our political campaigns. Every penny of the budget is fought tooth and nail over by special interests. Until they are not able to do that the spending cuts we do need to solve our debt cannot happen. If you don't raise the debt ceiling it's going to get ugly... oh and I'm not on the left, I'm an independent.

        • 7 votes
        #5.1 - Mon May 16, 2011 5:26 PM EDT
        OverPaidCivilServant

        Q: What would happen if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2 or whenever Treasury exhausts all its short-options?

        A: Things would get ugly fast. "When bills became due, we could not pay all of them," says Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Budget, a bipartisan group that advocates cutting the debt. "If that happens, you shake up markets as you've never seen before.

        Wonder what would happen if my families 3 small businesses were allowed to operate like this?

          #5.2 - Tue May 17, 2011 12:59 PM EDT
          onevoiceamongmany

          Making the comparison between the government and a company is a false analogy. A government is not a company. A company can fail, and should fail, depending on the company and other variables in a free market system. In fact in a free market capitalist system it requires companies to fail. However with nations, failed states are a whole different animal. Governments are representative bodies that allow for business to occur. Without government, without a social contract business cannot even exist. Government is an institutional body that ensures market places can exist. Without the government, there is no economy, there is no anything.

          Maya MacGuineas is right. We will spiral into a world wide depression, worse than what we saw back in the 30s. If the GOP has that on their head their party will be gone completely. But at that point in time it won't make a difference because odds are if our economy collapses that badly, the US will no longer be recognizable. I'm not a doomsday person but this could get bad. It would create a new world order that we would not recognize. No cash out of the atms bank accounts wiped out business not able to move products everything will stagnate and go into a free fall. When a business collapses a lot of good people can lose their jobs and it will cause devestation on the people for some time. However when a nation collapses, especially a super power, we end up with a dark age. Remember what happened when Rome collapsed. Ours would be even worse due to the technology we have acquired. It is reckless and suicidal to play with the debt ceiling. Governments are not businesses. You would be endangering the entire civilized world.

            #5.3 - Tue May 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT
            WatchTheOtherHand

            Don't worry yourself too much. There is no chance that the government will default. The debt ceiling is simply a limit on how much the government can borrow. There is NO restriction on how much it can print.

            We have elected "leaders" who can't make the hard decisions necessary to cut back on the overspending. Hence, the US will have to collapse the currency eventually anyway.

            Why keep playing kick the can? Might as well get it over with now.

              #5.4 - Tue May 17, 2011 4:00 PM EDT
              onevoiceamongmany

              What you are proposing...

              There is NO restriction on how much it can print.

              Is exactly what Germany did after the Versailles treaty and put them into a depression before the global depression hit. Printing money does create inflation especially with how much they would need to print.

              The debt limit is something to worry about... it's playing with a global catastrophe.

              • 1 vote
              #5.5 - Tue May 17, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
              WatchTheOtherHand

              I realize that... but putting off the inevitable isn't going to make it any easier. That whole global depression is going to come eventually when we can't afford to continue paying on the debt. We WILL have to print our way out debt already since we don't have anyone in Congress willing to cutback on spending in any meaningful way.

              Yes, its going to cause a LOT of people a LOT of pain. Simply raising the debt ceiling just means that the pain will be a LOT worse when it does happen. Is kicking the can down the road another 10 years, going to be better for anyone if it means it will hit harder?

              Raising the debt ceiling is like a cancer patient deciding to put off chemotherapy until later because they don't want spend the time throwing up and losing their hair. Isn't it best to start chemotherapy ASAP to ensure the best possible result?

                #5.6 - Tue May 17, 2011 6:32 PM EDT
                onevoiceamongmany

                Not really... we can make actual cuts and actually start paying off our debt if we do a few simple things.

                1) Close corporate and rich individuals loop holes. Exxon Mobil and GE need to pay their full amount as do the rich. They all have so many lawyers we are lucky if they pay a dime.

                2) Cut military spending in half. We have over 47 super bases world wide that cost $1.2 billion a piece to run each and every year they are in operation. There are plenty of areas that we can cut in there.

                3) Create a tax and incentive to keep manufacturing in the United States.

                4) Get rid of special interests being able to donate money to political campaigns and put money in the system at all.

                If you do those 4 things... which are not easy... you balance the budget and can start paying off our debt with only raising the debt ceiling once.

                The analogy you used was pretty bad in my opinion... if you take either of the approaches you are suggesting you end up dead. I am suggesting a third route which takes political back bone and courage... something no one has right now.

                  #5.7 - Thu May 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT
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                  Brad Know How

                  Boehner & Paul Ryan can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned, I hope they live to be 110 years old and die face down in a gutter because they want to condemn hard working tax paying people to a similar circumstance for no other reason than they don't have enough money to fund thier campaign. To take away healthcare from the needy and give tax breaks to the rich. And to all the rich who have no empathy for people who are in need of help. What is gained if you have all the money in the world , But loose your Soul. 2 things are certain in life 1. Paying Taxes 2. Death - You may evade your Taxes but you can't escape dying.

                    Reply#6 - Tue May 17, 2011 1:29 AM EDT
                    shutterbug98

                    Funny, the 'pukes had NO problems raising the debt ceiling when Duhbya needed cash to fund his jacks**t wars.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#7 - Tue May 17, 2011 1:17 PM EDT
                    WatchTheOtherHand

                    Funny, Obama was AGAINST raising the debt ceiling then too.. Funny how that works out now that he is all for it.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.1 - Tue May 17, 2011 4:02 PM EDT
                    rickace

                    WatchTheOtherHand

                    Funny, Obama was AGAINST raising the debt ceiling then too.. Funny how that works out now that he is all for it.

                    Naturally he flip-flopped. He wants to spend the nation into oblivion and with an endless checkbook that's exactly what he's been up to since he took office.

                    GWB was a spender as well, but he couldn't hold a candle to Obama and his pals in Congress. The stimulus was a harebrained, egregiously expensive, and tragically feeble attempt to control the uncontrollable.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.2 - Tue May 17, 2011 4:23 PM EDT
                    onevoiceamongmany

                    Don't forget Reagan raised the debt ceiling too.

                    Every politician before coming politician doesnt realize the enormity of some matters when they are just a legislator. However when they become President and everything is so vital, you start realize what mistakes you made in the past very quickly. At least Obama admitted he flipped and told us why. That's all you can really ask from someone. People change their minds when shown new evidence all the time. The issue is when they flip back and forth just for political gain. The debt ceiling is not something to be used for political gain.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.3 - Tue May 17, 2011 4:28 PM EDT
                    WatchTheOtherHand

                    The debt ceiling is not something to be used for political gain.

                    Not addressing the problem of the debt is also something should not be done. That is the problem.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.4 - Tue May 17, 2011 6:37 PM EDT
                    onevoiceamongmany

                    You cannot solve the debt ceiling issue until you get money out of politics by special interests. Every single penny in the US budget is fought over by special interests. They spend gobs of money in political campaigns to have their interests inserted into the budget. There is no way to get rid of that, even if you don't raise the debt ceiling, and let things go on the way they are now. Yes Washington is spending too much but WHY? That is the real question... why are they spending. That is the source that kills the disease. going bankrupt isnt going to stop the spending problem. They will just do it again if we survive. Not until you put a deterrent in place will things change. Not until you change the carrots and sticks will spending stop. Spending is a result of the diseases of special interests lobbying and spending in political campaigns. That is the problem. Our debt is a result of that, not the reason for.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.5 - Thu May 19, 2011 11:29 AM EDT
                    mountainfirefall

                    has the president made any real estate purchases of late?

                      #7.6 - Wed May 25, 2011 12:31 PM EDT
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                      JohnDR

                      I think this argument by the Republicans and Democrats over the debt ceiling is selfish, arrogant and irresponsible politics. God has blessed this great nation with so much it's hard to believe that we as Americans want "more." If the politicians for one second just stopped and realized what they have been given, they would figure out their debt issues and realize the way out of debt. Instead we have talk about raising the national debt to a limit higher than we can afford, putting debt onto the backs of the younger generation. If America can't agree on a way to generate revenue from the equity or natural resources we possess in the United States, or fails to innovate in a way which develops technologies we can sell to lower the debt, we probably will end up crashing the entire world economy.

                      Which may of course be the intention of the government which knows that many other governments economies are tied to the dollar (kinda like the youngster who wants a new car and knows the only way daddy will buy him a new one is if he crashes the old one). However by crashing the world economy and defaulting on loans it would simply create a generation of younger people who are going to be the work horse for the older generation. Which isn't truly freedom but the enslavement of the younger generation to a debt they didn't make. I'm sure for older people this may sound really great, might even be the equivalent of what their older generation did to them, a kind of passing the buck, monkey see monkey do type of behavior. Which begs the question, are politicians and those in authority really acting on the interests of the younger generation if they don't decide to pay off or down the national debt? And if they aren't acting on the interest of the younger generation, should they really be making any of the decisions anyways? I think it's rediculous to ask a generation of Americans to suffer because a older generation "spent too much," especially when a government can forgive a debt it owes to itself, which is probably the case in many circumstances and probably one reason why things are becoming so expensive now.

                      Basically what I see as the cause of this whole situation, is the failure of Americans to get along with their neighbour. Especially those who are neighbours with those across the isle in the House and Senate. I'm not speaking of the currently elected officials, but past seat holders who have chosen to spend rather than manage responsibly. A responsible government, I believe, would choose to pay down the debt or cite a very valid reason for forgiving the debt or not paying it. Until that happens, we are stuck with our leaders figuring out the "best solution" (meaning the best solution for their constituents and political party and not ALL americans) to the problem.

                        Reply#8 - Wed May 18, 2011 1:13 AM EDT
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