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Obama urges Israel to go back to 1967 borders

Thu May 19, 2011 12:23 PM EDT
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Ben Feller, Associated Press
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WASHINGTON — Forcefully stepping into an explosive Middle East debate, President Barack Obama on Thursday endorsed a key Palestinian demand for the borders of its future state and prodded Israel to accept that it can never have a truly peaceful nation based on "permanent occupation."

Obama's urging that a Palestinian state be based on 1967 borders — before the Six Day War in which Israel occupied East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza — was a significant shift in the U.S. approach. It drew an immediate negative response from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is to meet with Obama at the White House Friday.

In a statement released late Thursday in Jerusalem, Netanyahu called the 1967 lines "indefensible," saying such a withdrawal would jeopardize Israel's security and leave major West Bank settlements outside Israeli borders, though Obama left room for adjustments reached through negotiations.

At the same time, it was not immediately clear whether Obama's statement on the 1967 borders as the basis for negotiations — something the Palestinians have long sought — would be sufficient to persuade the Palestinians to drop their push for U.N. recognition of their statehood. Obama rejected the Palestinians' unilateral statehood bid Thursday as he sought to underscore U.S. support for Israel notwithstanding the endorsement of the 1967 borders.

"Symbolic actions to isolate Israel at the United Nations in September won't create an independent state," Obama said.

Obama's comments came in his most comprehensive response to date to the uprisings sweeping the Arab world. Speaking at the State Department, he called for the first time for the leader of Syria to embrace democracy or move aside, though without specifically demanding his ouster.

As he addressed audiences abroad and at home, Obama sought to leave no doubt that the U.S. stands behind the protesters who have swelled from nation to nation across the Middle East and North Africa, while also trying to convince American viewers that U.S. involvement in unstable countries halfway around the world is in their interest, too.

Obama said the United States has a historic opportunity and the responsibility to support the rights of people clamoring for freedoms, and he called for "a new chapter in American diplomacy."

"We know that our own future is bound to this region by the forces of economics and security; history and faith," the president said.

He hailed the killing of al-Qaida terrorist leader Osama bin Laden and declared that bin Laden's vision of destruction was fading even before U.S. forces shot him dead.

Obama said the "shouts of human dignity are being heard across the region."

The president noted that two leaders had stepped down — referring to Egypt and Tunisia — and said that "more may follow." He quoted civilian protesters who have pushed for change in Egypt, Libya, Syria and Yemen — though without noting that among those nations, only Egypt has seen the departure of a long-ruling autocratic leader.

Obama said that while there will be setbacks accompanying progress in political transitions, the movements present a valuable opportunity for the U.S. to show which side it is on. "We have a chance to show that America values the dignity of the street vendor in Tunisia more than the raw power of a dictator," he said, referring to the fruit vendor who killed himself in despair and sparked a chain of events that unleashed uprisings around the Arab world.

On the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, the president cautioned that the recent power-sharing agreement between the mainstream Palestinian faction led by Mahmoud Abbas and the radical Hamas movement that rules Gaza "raises profound and legitimate" security questions for Israel. Netanyahu has refused to deal with a Palestinian government that includes Hamas.

"How can one negotiate with a party that has shown itself unwilling to recognize your right to exist?" Obama asked. "In the weeks and months to come, Palestinian leaders will have to provide a credible answer to that question."

The president ignored many of the most divisive issues separating the two sides. He did not speak about the status of Jerusalem or the fate of Palestinian refugees. And, he did not discuss a way to resolve Israel's concerns about a Hamas role in a unified Palestinian government, telling the Palestinians that they would have to address the matter themselves.

On Syria, Obama said President Bashar Assad must lead his country to democracy or "get out of the way," his most direct warning to the leader of a nation embroiled in violence. Obama said the Syrian government "has chosen the path of murder and the mass arrests of its citizens." He praised the Syrian people for their courage in standing up to repression in a bloody crackdown that has killed hundreds.

Obama said that while each country in the region is unique, there are shared values in the push for political change that will define the U.S. approach.

"Our message is simple: If you take the risks that reform entails, you will have the full support of the United States," he said.

The speech was in some ways notable for what Obama did not mention.

While critical of autocracy throughout the Mideast, he failed to mention the region's largest, richest and arguably most repressive nation, U.S. ally Saudi Arabia. Nor did he discuss Jordan, a staunch U.S. ally that has a peace deal with Israel. Also left out was the United Arab Emirates, the wealthy, pro-American collection of mini-states on the Persian Gulf. And he gave little attention to Iran, where U.S. attempts at outreach have gone nowhere.

The speech included somewhat tepid admonitions of U.S. allies Yemen and Bahrain. On Yemen, a key partner in the U.S. fight against al-Qaida, Obama called on President Ali Abdullah Saleh to "follow through on his commitment to transfer power." His language was stronger on Bahrain, home to the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet, where Obama said the only way forward is dialogue between the government and opposition, "and you can't have a real dialogue when parts of the peaceful opposition are in jail."

Obama announced economic incentives aimed at steering a region roiling in violence toward democratic change that lasts, though some would require congressional approval that might prove difficult to obtain.

Among the elements of his approach:

— The canceling of roughly $1 billion in debt for Egypt. The intention is that money freed from that debt obligation would be swapped toward investments in priority sectors of the Egyptian economy, likely to focus on entrepreneurship and employment for younger people. Unemployment rates are soaring in Egypt and across the region.

— The guaranteeing of up to $1 billion in borrowing for Egypt through the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, a U.S. government institution that mobilizes private capital.

— Promises by the U.S. to launch a new trade partnership in the Middle East and North Africa and to prod world financial institutions to help Egypt and Tunisia.

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Associated Press writers Dan Perry and Josef Federman in Jerusalem, Karin Laub in Ramallah and Robert Reid in Cairo contributed to this report.

© 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Pat N

Does anyone else get the sneaking suspicion that Obama is just giving a prelude to future justification of prolonged occupation of Libya and future invasion of other countries now that he's stretched our military unbelievably thin via a 49,000 troop drawdown?

  • 35 votes
#1 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:03 PM EDT
rick-673281

Just another try of his trying to portray himself a leader election campaign mode is in full swing for him even tho I dont believe he ever stopped.

  • 28 votes
#1.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Kshark

So Israel has to change? Well gee why don't the other Arab/Muslims nations accept Israel and just move on???

And then to pledge MORE money to Egypt an give them a loan forgiveness as well.

WITH WHAT MONEY OBAMA!!!??????????? He truly does not care about this country.

  • 32 votes
#1.2 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:42 PM EDT
proud2bconservative

I cannot believe that Obama would be so stupid as take actions as you propose. Oh, wait, yes I can.

He continues to be contradictory on his approach to 'Democracy' in the area. How long has Syria been killing its' citizens and only now is it time to act? He dithered on Egypt, and apparently supported the wrong side because the current Egyptian government is certainly not a friend of ours. Obama's vision for that area is a dangerous one for us.

You have to be careful what you ask for, sometimes you get it, and it doesn't always work out so well.

  • 21 votes
#1.3 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:45 PM EDT
HappyToSeeYa

I plan to read the entire speech. Based upon some analysis from the WaPo, this is what our president said today the the State Department:

"The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state."

He also called for provisions to "prevent a resurgence of terrorism, to stop the infiltration of weapons, and to provide effective border security" for Israel.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:46 PM EDT
Pat N

Wow. He just managed to alienate our one ally in the region. Way to go, Obama.

  • 26 votes
#1.5 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:56 PM EDT
voxrationis

BS. In reality it is about da-n time a US President took the step he took today. Clearly Israelis are creating even more illegal settlements and those that are doing it are using biblical justification. And he asks a very good question of the Palestinians as well. You cannot negotiate with those that you refuse to acknowledge even exist.

Of course none of you will ever give Obama any credit. As for Eqypt we don't exactly have much influence over revolutions do we?

These are complex and difficult issues that countless administrations have been unable to resolve. Yet you insist Obama could blink like a genie and solve it all. Who is acting like Obama is a messiah now? You never saw the neocons push into Syria either, did you? They talked a big talk just like yourselves!

  • 28 votes
#1.6 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:56 PM EDT
George KingExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Exactly what are the requirements for IMPEACHMENT of a U.S. president. Way past time for this one. Nixon was a crook, but this one is TOTALLY INSANE. Can he be impeached for being insane. Just asking.

  • 17 votes
#1.7 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:59 PM EDT
Smith Cassidy

Stop giving Israel billions every year and let them do whatever the hell they want.

  • 18 votes
#1.8 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:03 PM EDT
Smith Cassidy

Pat N
Wow. He just managed to alienate our one ally in the region. Way to go, Obama

I'm willing to bet we benefit Israel a lot more than Israel benefits us.

  • 20 votes
#1.9 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:05 PM EDT
Smith Cassidy

sorry...multi-post...laggy vine...

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:05 PM EDT
Kshark

voxrationis--

Of course none of you will ever give Obama any credit

No different than you not be able to criticize him on anything. So I guess things are evened out.

These are complex and difficult issues that countless administrations have been unable to resolve. Yet you insist Obama could blink like a genie and solve it all.

Because the West is usually pretty ignorant about the Middle East. Some people are not ignorant and grasp the realities, and if they dare speak up or say anything they are attacked for it.

They talked a big talk just like yourselves!

And you/

  • 11 votes
#1.11 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:06 PM EDT
Smith Cassidy

Good grief...multi-post! DB error...

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:06 PM EDT
onnafenceExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Obama could not find his backside with both hands. He is the ultimate empty suit. Read from your telemprompter so we can hear the latest garbage please, that is how we will know what is really happening, it will be the opposite of what you say, as usual.

  • 8 votes
#1.13 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:16 PM EDT
moshawn

OBAMA is seeing the light with changes happening around israel while netanyahu wants to still live in dark. Change will surely come as Obama's last election promise says.

  • 11 votes
#1.14 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:16 PM EDT
Dennis Chosen

This president has to go. Hurry 2012, while we still have any allies, any respect, any direction. This man is an embarrassment to America.

  • 16 votes
#1.15 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:34 PM EDT
xrayspex

I don't know if Israel should go back to the 1967 borders, but what I do know is this; until Hamas and Hezbollah recognize Israel's right of existence and until Israel quits building settlements in areas it knows (or should know) should be a part of a Palestinian state, there will be no peace between them.

Right or wrong (the President suggesting Israel return to the pre-1967 borders), if it puts pressure on the immature and irrational Israelis and Palestinians to begin genuine peace negotiations it's a good thing!!

  • 13 votes
#1.16 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:35 PM EDT
Smith Cassidy

Dennis Chosen
This president has to go. Hurry 2012, while we still have any allies, any respect, any direction. This man is an embarrassment to America.

I'm going to guess we have better relations with our allies at this point in time than during the last administration.

An embarrassment to America for trying to head off additional conflict in the Middle East?

  • 11 votes
#1.17 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:37 PM EDT
CCArm

These are complex and difficult issues that countless administrations have been unable to resolve. Yet you insist Obama could blink like a genie and solve it all. Who is acting like Obama is a messiah now?

Excellent voxrationis!

Using the boarders of the 1967 war is the only just thing as this was actually decided as an acceptable position from both sides.

Yes, it's time Israel, come to the table and let's get it done! Your position would be much more defendable if you just made good on what you agreed to long long ago

  • 13 votes
#1.18 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:41 PM EDT
Dennis Chosen

Let's pretend that Mexico was using terror attacks in the USA, claiming they want the portion of the United States they once occupied. If we give them Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Utah, Nevada, they would quit their attacks. The whole world says give Mexico those states. Should the United States give them back? No. And neither should Israel. If you lose territory in war... you lost the territory... period.

  • 18 votes
#1.19 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:41 PM EDT
Patriot 8888

There goes the Jewish vote. Obama may have alienated one of his key donor groups and constituencies.

  • 16 votes
#1.20 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:44 PM EDT
Dennis Chosen

Smith Cassidy... then you guessed wrong. He has angered Great Britton to the point they would not even invite him to the royal wedding. He bows to King Abdullah? He refused to meet with the Israel Prime Minister when he came to the USA. Obama is an embarrassment and needs to go.... far far away.

  • 11 votes
#1.21 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:46 PM EDT
littleboyblue

I wonder Obama supporters would say if a third nation, say the United Kingdom, or Russia were to tell the US it should draw back to it's pre 1848 borders with Mexico?

  • 11 votes
#1.22 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:47 PM EDT
rimbauda

until Hamas and Hezbollah recognize Israel's right of existence

Hamas and Hezbollah would do better to recognize that lobbing bombs is a fool's game and a losing tactic. (Until they made the grave mistake of provoking Israel, Hezbollah were on the right track of building an economic infrastructure in South Lebanon). The path to victory for the Palestinians is to stop spending their charity from the Arabs on arms and start investing in their economic future (and for Israel to stop tearing down such progress). They are more likely to win when there is more trade and travel across their borders, than pointless skirmishes and deaths. "Peace will come when arabs love their children more than they hate us (Israel)". So said Golda Meir.

Unfortunately, every seeming breakthrough toward peace is followed by some act of violence that derails it. Neither side seems to really want peace, and Israel will not survive the long haul without it (maybe that's why the Arabs egg the Palestinians on to violence that does not serve the Palestinians own best interests).

  • 5 votes
#1.23 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:50 PM EDT
rimbauda

I wonder Obama supporters would say if a third nation, say the United Kingdom, or Russia were to tell the US it should draw back to it's pre 1848 borders with Mexico?

The USA won my outnumbering and overwhelming the native Americans. This is not something that the South African whites, nor Israel, were able to do. The Mexicans are one their way to outnumbering the whites and may well win back, in the long term, those "1848 borders", by economic, not military, means.

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:56 PM EDT
taao

littleboyblue

I wonder Obama supporters would say if a third nation, say the United Kingdom, or Russia were to tell the US it should draw back to it's pre 1848 borders with Mexico?

Calderone would say done deal...but you keep the debt. Obama would say ok but I get the votes.

  • 13 votes
#1.25 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:02 PM EDT
HappyToSeeYa

Stop giving Israel billions every year and let them do whatever the hell they want.

Not only do we give billions each year to Israel, they spy on us as though we are enemies. Someone up thread said there goes the Jewish vote. Well, considering how Obama's opposition is trashing our democracy by disenfranchising people who vote democratic, the Jewis vote can take its chances with the opposition and see how that works for 'em. Can't you just see the Jewish vote getting warm and cuddly with evangelicals?

At this juncture, Israel isn't going away,so, people who want to destroy Israel need a new, positive agenda.

The Palestinians desperately need their own country. It has never been a viable option for them to be integrated into other countries as was determined in discussions leading to the birth of Israel in 1948. If Palestinians are blessed enough to get their own country, they are so poor that they are going to struggle really hard while highly motivated egoists try to dictate to them, especially the people who claim to be fighting on their behalf. You know, the usual cast of perps from the east, the west, and the middle east, excluding nobody.

. . .

It's pathetic seeing people spout hypothetical nonsense about taking the US back to 19th century conditions for territory and for law. Hypothetical nonsense is all that can and will ever be.

  • 3 votes
#1.26 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:30 PM EDT
Z1P2

The article doesn't seem to support the headline... the headline says Obama told Israel to go back to those borders, but then the article says that he simply endorsed the idea. Telling someone to do something, and telling someone that you would support them if they did that thing, are two different things entirely. Unfortunately Newsvine thinks their hired authors are infallible and so Newsvine doesn't allow us to report articles like these for inaccurate headlines, otherwise I would.

  • 5 votes
#1.27 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:41 PM EDT
John-1894652

Well then let's go back to pre-1948 borders. Wait 1948 was the year that the State of Israel was created.

    #1.28 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:43 PM EDT
    Naughtia

    dennis choosen.. so you would give eastern europe back to russia?

    and give kuiwait back to iraq.. yeah got it.

    got any examples in modern times?.. well besides israel.

    • 2 votes
    #1.29 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:57 PM EDT
    Jason Burnham

    And with this statement Obama lost my vote. I will vote for the Republican no matter who it is.

    • 9 votes
    #1.30 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:03 PM EDT
    California Militia

    well @!$%#, perhaps we should also return the US to its 1812 borders, give back all the land taken from mexico and the indians. i mean its not like we took that land becuase they attacked us.

    at least a majority of the land the jews have is because they were invaded by 4 or 5 countries at the same time and they kicked the @!$%# out of the lot of them. if they want their land back, they should have to puchase it with their blood the same way the jews did.

    • 7 votes
    #1.31 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:04 PM EDT
    Smith Cassidy

    How is comparing the United States to Israel even close to the same thing?

    The United States maintains its own borders, without help from any other nation.

    Can the same be said of Israel?

    Israel declared independence on 14 May 1948 and neighboring Arab states invaded the next day. Since then, Israel has fought a series of wars with neighboring Arab states,[9] and has occupied territories, including the West Bank, Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights, beyond those delineated in the 1949 Armistice Agreements. The border between Israel and the neighboring West Bank is not formally defined by the Israeli government,[10][11][12][13] as a result of a complex and unresolved political situation. Israel has signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, but efforts by elements on both sides to solve the problem diplomatically have so far met with only limited success.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Independence_and_first_years

    The Israeli Declaration of Independence (Hebrew: הכרזת העצמאות‎, Hakhrazat HaAtzma'ut or Hebrew: מגילת העצמאות‎ Megilat HaAtzma'ut), made on 14 May 1948 (5 Iyar 5708), the day before the British Mandate was due to expire, was the official announcement that the new Jewish state named the State of Israel had been formally established in parts of what was known as the British Mandate of Palestine and on land where, in antiquity, the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah had once been.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence

    • 5 votes
    #1.32 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:23 PM EDT
    Smith Cassidy

    Jason Burnham
    And with this statement Obama lost my vote. I will vote for the Republican no matter who it is.

    Really, this pushed you over the edge?

    • 5 votes
    #1.33 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:23 PM EDT
    Matt Taylor

    Wow. He just managed to alienate our one ally in the region. Way to go, Obama.

    You seem to have forgotten Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iraq.

    • 7 votes
    #1.34 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:25 PM EDT
    buttzie

    Does anyone else get the sneaking suspicion that Obama is just giving a prelude to future justification of prolonged occupation of Libya and future invasion of other countries now that he's stretched our military unbelievably thin via a 49,000 troop drawdown?

    No I don't...I've have seen/read nothing that would lead anyone to go along with this. Other than imagination.

    Wow. He just managed to alienate our one ally in the region. Way to go, Obama.

    Not true also, Israel is only one of a few allies in the region. Currently they aren't even considered the strongest in the middle east given the currents events there.

    • 3 votes
    #1.35 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:35 PM EDT
    ndeepnow

    Jerusalem is in the bible over 900 times .. Jerusalem in the Koran -- ZERO TIMES

    that is their land. Tell the other muslim nations to give the Palestinians a place to live.

    • 5 votes
    #1.36 - Thu May 19, 2011 5:00 PM EDT
    SeriousWormboy

    He must have majored in Political Suicide at Harvard. Just one more reason to vote the dude out in Nov. 2012. Another really bad bad decision by the Affirmative Action POTUS. I don't think Biden would do something so stupid...... no he would!

    Who the @!$%# does he think he is. Say good-bye to the White House Democrats, I bet Hillary runs now!

    • 5 votes
    #1.37 - Thu May 19, 2011 5:10 PM EDT
    Little Sure Shot

    Obama's loyalty never was to this country and now he has proven it, not that I didn't know it already. Three previous actions showed me that.

    Refusal to wear a flag pin during the campaign

    Declaring himself on his apology tour that he was a citizen of the world instead of the US.

    Declaring Muslim morning prayer music the most beautiful sound in the world.

    Now he wants to bankrupt us even further with some cockeyed agenda he has planned.

    • 8 votes
    #1.38 - Thu May 19, 2011 5:16 PM EDT
    Muhammad. Amir. Khan

    This is the beginning of a new time. The American President Obama, will help remove the Israelis from our land. Palestine will return to being able to support it’s self. The Middle East, will become a quieter and better place. In return, Palestine will support American interests in the region. Allah is great, as is Barack Hussein Obama. Who’s father was a devout Muslim. Now soon we shall see the reversal of power in Mid East.

    • 2 votes
    #1.39 - Thu May 19, 2011 5:25 PM EDT
    SeriousWormboy

    If you don't watch out the Israeli's will make a glass crater out of the place before they give it back to a bunch of terrorists.

    • 7 votes
    #1.40 - Thu May 19, 2011 5:28 PM EDT
    malcontentious

    Redefining the world to suit his own personal agenda

    • 3 votes
    #1.41 - Thu May 19, 2011 5:52 PM EDT
    ndeepnow

    Muhammad. Amir. Khan -- Jerusalem -- over 900 times in the bible ---- Jerusalem -- ZERO times in the koran.

    The father and Son, JESUS CHRIST must have known something allah did not

    • 5 votes
    #1.42 - Thu May 19, 2011 6:05 PM EDT
    Muhammad. Amir. Khan

    ndeepnow

    The father and Son, JESUS CHRIST must have known something allah did not

    Thank you for your comment to me, I think this will now have more to do with the illegal occupation of Palestine by the Israelis. In direct contravention of United nations directives. How can the wonderful President Obama go against the United Nations? You will find, United States troops supporting Palestinian goals sometime soon. Palestine will assist with the problems in Libya, where Israel cannot. Allah and the Christian God, bless America and President Obama.

    • 1 vote
    #1.43 - Thu May 19, 2011 6:38 PM EDT
    common sense-457836

    And with this statement Obama lost my vote. I will vote for the Republican no matter who it is.

    Reactionary single-issue voters. That's exactly what this country needs.

    No wonder the US is falling apart when this is what passes for critical thought.

    • 7 votes
    #1.44 - Thu May 19, 2011 7:03 PM EDT
    Muhammad. Amir. Khan

    Well put common sense

    • 1 vote
    #1.45 - Thu May 19, 2011 7:39 PM EDT
    La'el

    Seems Obama's peace alternative is simple; allow others to kill Jews, eliminate Israel, and submit to Islam. How long before I, like my father before me, will have a Magen David on my sleeve and a decidedly uncertain future -- we will not go quietly anymore. Hopefully we will look back on this day and note that this was the turning point for those who voted for Obama, when they finally opened their eyes and looked into his soul and found his hatred for not only America, but much of it focused on the Jewish people and Israel (in the best traditions of his Reverend Wright).

    • 7 votes
    #1.46 - Thu May 19, 2011 7:53 PM EDT
    taao

    Palestine has its puppet President...but it does not have the support of the American people and never will. It sickens me to know that my tax dollars were spent on terrorist support. This will be rectified very shortly.

    • 6 votes
    #1.47 - Thu May 19, 2011 8:56 PM EDT
    Had-E-Nuf

    America will align our policies with those who pursue peace, and say in public what we say in private to Israelis and Palestinians and Arabs. We cannot impose peace. ~Cairo Conference Speech

    We can't impose peace but we sure can impose our will on other nations. Asking leaders of Egypt, Libya and now Syria to resign, asking Isreal to commit suicide by withdrawing to the 1967 borders? He is only going to make the situation go from bad to worse.

    • 5 votes
    #1.48 - Thu May 19, 2011 9:19 PM EDT
    Jason Burnham

    Really, this pushed you over the edge?

    There was no edge. I had pretty much resigned myself to voting for President Obama unless Herman Cain won the Republican nomination. With this speech President Obama has assured that my vote goes to a Republican. It's just one vote but I also know that I'm not the only one who feels this way. All the good will for the killing of Osama gone in a second by President Obama's anti-Israel stance.

    • 2 votes
    #1.49 - Thu May 19, 2011 9:30 PM EDT
    gatoralum

    You guys do understand that is has been the policy of this nation since 1967 that Israel should honor the pre-1967 borders, right? You do understand that this does not represent a change in U.S. policy? Didn't think you did.

    • 7 votes
    #1.50 - Thu May 19, 2011 11:11 PM EDT
    Z1P2

    And with this statement Obama lost my vote.

    Jason, I've seen you around the vine, and I've never before gotten the impression that you were ever going to vote for him. So when was that?

    • 2 votes
    #1.51 - Fri May 20, 2011 12:03 AM EDT
    Jason Burnham

    I been feeling that way for a bit. To me he's the most War like President we ever had. He's kept all the Bush policies, he's gone after the anti-war movement in way's that Bush could only wish, and I cheer him on. Every illegal that get's dumped in the middle of Mexico is a victory for the care givers on the border towns. I'm absolutly thrilled that the FBI is raiding and destroying the anti-war protesters. I would be a Democrat if it wasn't for Pelosi, Boxer, and other far left dumb asses (though I dislike the far right just about as much). I'm not saying everything about the man I like.

    Some things are a little much like selling guns to the Mexican Cartels and trying to kill that dumb ass American who is a terrorist without a trial. I'm all for killing the bastard but he needs a trial. That's just how I feel. Just give him his day to show up and then bomb his ass. I'm not really asking for very much.

    Libya, I think we should of taken the lead on. If Pakistan wants to get all huffy about us killing Osama then maybe it's time to see about giving our Nuclear Weapons a test. Troops still being in Iraq to make sure we don't loose that war was wonderful. Gitmo remaining open is great. Stupid wiki leaks army dude spending 23 hours in confinement is fine too.

    But... I counted on the Left to balance people like myself out. I enjoyed being a war monger. Now that the left has joined up with me then who is going to balance us out? I mean they gave the most blood thirsty President I've ever seen a Nobel Peace Prize and I think it's funny but it has me tripped up inside. We need anti-war protesters (even though I can't stand them), we need people to speak up when things are not right, and I don't feel we have that. Normally, I would be all great with the killing but somebody needs to point out when things are not right.

    Everything is backwards now and to be truthful I just want to remain a war monger but till the left goes back to being the peace loving hippies they were then I can't. That doesn't mean I wouldn't of voted for Obama... I thought it was funny in a way. Obama even got me thinking about becoming a Democrat which I haven't been since 1994.

    With that being said... We are allies with Britain, Israel, France, Germany, Japan, etc. and I think we should back our allies. I didn't like the treatment of our British allies nor did I not like President Obama not speaking out during the Iran protests. I'm a staunch Israel supporter. This really, really grates on my nerves... That and my wife is Jewish. So, you have to stand up for what you believe in. You have to stand up with your friends. To me this was a stab in the back and I can't support that.

    • 5 votes
    #1.52 - Fri May 20, 2011 4:03 AM EDT
    Z1P2

    Jason, I have never seen any evidence that you have ever supported the president of the United States. Nor have I ever seen any evidence that you would have ever supported him no matter what he did, so your saying now that he should not take this position otherwise he will lose a supporter that he never had and never would have is... well... pretty meaningless, don't you think?

    • 3 votes
    #1.53 - Fri May 20, 2011 5:48 AM EDT
    taao

    Hes playing the Liberal game with you Jason thats all. He wouldn't be happy till he saw you drop to your knees and blow the One.

    • 6 votes
    #1.54 - Fri May 20, 2011 7:37 AM EDT
    Muhammad. Amir. Khan

    What the American people do not see is that Israel only pretends to be their friend. This is a world now of shifting alliances, new regimes and the beginning of a new time. It is now time for th whole world to understand that the Arab world is on the whole, a stronger ally than just one ineffectual state that pretends to be a friend. This same state that will cross international borders on false papers, and assonate people who disagree with her policies. Obama can see this, and will act accordingly. Last year on newsvine, Lord McNiff late of the vine knew this was happening. It is interesting that his successor the new Lord McNiff was in Palestine just one month ago.

    • 2 votes
    #1.55 - Fri May 20, 2011 8:16 AM EDT
    taao

    Actually I think its pretty clear on who are the experts at pretending and it is not Israel.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w

    Since you are such a fan of Obamas, he has about a year and a half to go. After that if you want him, you can have him. Lets see how well he unites the "Arab world". Be sure you have plenty of cash on hand, but if you are a little strapped no worries...Obama will spend it anyways.

    • 5 votes
    #1.56 - Fri May 20, 2011 8:38 AM EDT
    Muhammad. Amir. Khan

    To taao.

    I am an American Muslim my friend. I support Obam's proactive and very realistic actions, to resolve all conflict in the area I was born in. Thank you for your very kind offer, but I already have the right man in the White House. I also am sure he will be there for some time to come.

    • 5 votes
    #1.57 - Fri May 20, 2011 8:49 AM EDT
    taao

    I am not your friend.

    • 6 votes
    #1.58 - Fri May 20, 2011 8:52 AM EDT
    Muhammad. Amir. Khan

    To taao What you say above is your choice, but do you know me? Have you met me? Have you listened to anothe voice, before you judge. And say what you said? We might not agree, but that never ever prevented me being anyone's friend. Pehaps international politics is not for you then?

    Good bye.

    • 3 votes
    #1.59 - Fri May 20, 2011 8:59 AM EDT
    taao

    but do you know me?

    I have no desire to know you.

    Have you met me?

    I have no desire to meet you.

    Have you listened to anothe voice, before you judge.

    Yes.

    And say what you said?

    What was said or was not said is none of your @!$%#ing business.

    We might not agree, but that never ever prevented me being anyone's friend.

    Consider this the first step in prevention.

    Pehaps international politics is not for you then?

    Considering the source, I may possibly have to look into a career change.

    Good bye.

    Bye

    • 7 votes
    #1.60 - Fri May 20, 2011 9:18 AM EDT
    Muhammad. Amir. Khan

    To taao.

    All that you have put above, sums up all the negativity that grows within.

    Your reluctance to attempt friendly dialogue, preferring a hostile attitude instead with someone with a different point of view is astounding. But, perhaps it also publicly demonstrates a lot of things that need to be corrected in the American way of thinking. You are perhaps, a fine example of last century thinking. The world is moving on.

    • 4 votes
    #1.61 - Fri May 20, 2011 9:52 AM EDT
    FrJackHackett

    taao, who stole the meat from your sammich?

    • 5 votes
    #1.62 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:09 AM EDT
    JustinPM

    Jack, I'm pretty sure it's because of his disagreement with the whole Israel stance. Muhammad. Amir. Khan's been pretty pro-Palestine, and taao doesn't seem about that whatsoever. But Muhammad brings up a pretty decent point, if you're going to disagree with someone fine, but at least be friendly about it.

    • 2 votes
    #1.63 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:14 AM EDT
    gatoralum

    Muhammad. All that Taao needed to know was your name to decide that you were not worthy of his friendship. It is sad when one limits their horizons like that. I probably disagree with you to, but that is no reason to treat you so rudely.

    • 4 votes
    #1.64 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:22 AM EDT
    HappyToSeeYa

    An "Israeli government committee on Thursday approved the construction of more than 1,500 settler homes in east Jerusalem," a stunning move that was made shortly before the arrival of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the United States. "The prime minister is sacrificing relations with the US for the sake of his loyalty to settlers," said Israeli lobby group Peace Now.
    from ThinkProgress.org

    Netanyahu was gonna stick it to Obama and got upstaged.

    • 2 votes
    #1.65 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:23 AM EDT
    taao

    All that you have put above, sums up all the negativity that grows within.

    I consider it a pleasure in this instance to disappoint.

    Your reluctance to attempt friendly dialogue

    Stop twisting, there is no reluctance...only outright refusal. Be thankful I am exercising restraint.

    preferring a hostile attitude...

    Again be thankful I am exercising restraint, when and if I decided to show a hostile attitude...make no mistake, you will know it.

    someone with a different point of view is astounding.

    I have no desire to learn more of "your" point of view in case you missed that tad bit of obvious. I have seen enough of it in the past 10 years or so to know to much already.

    But, perhaps it also publicly demonstrates a lot of things that need to be corrected in the American way of thinking.

    Pass, I love my country just the way it is.

    You are perhaps, a fine example of last century thinking. The world is moving on.

    I'll take that compliment for myself and my country. I would choose always to be a proud American with a little over 200 years of history and progression rather than from some country that touts thousands of years yet has not progressed past true barbarism.

    The world is moving on.

    "Lets Roll!"

    • 6 votes
    #1.66 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:24 AM EDT
    FrJackHackett

    if you're going to disagree with someone fine, but at least be friendly about it.

    taao is a very sensitive person; one must be very gentle with him/her.

    • 4 votes
    #1.67 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:27 AM EDT
    taao

    There ya go theres a friend for you. One that I am sure shares similar beliefs.

    • 2 votes
    #1.68 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:54 AM EDT
    FrJackHackett

    One that I am sure shares similar beliefs.

    With whom?

    • 1 vote
    #1.69 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:56 AM EDT
    taao

    You were the one that intruded into the conversation. I am sincerely sorry you are having such a hard time braining it out.

    • 5 votes
    #1.70 - Fri May 20, 2011 11:07 AM EDT
    RV in GB#1

    An embarrassment to America for trying to head off additional conflict in the Middle East?

    He is not trying to head off additional conflict - he is trying to convince the leader of a nation to give up land that he occupies. If Israel took over all of the West Bank, and all of Gaza, they would still only occupy a piece of land SMALLER than Lake Michigan. If you would like to talk about a Palestinian state, in my opinion several already exist - they are called Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iran (not to mention that we don't know what will happen with Iraq and Egypt.) Obama should stay out of this.

    Calling him an embarrassment to America? I wouldn't say that when it comes to his foreign policy. Maybe his business incompetence, but not his foreign policy.

    • 3 votes
    #1.71 - Fri May 20, 2011 11:21 AM EDT
    tracytruth

    Again be thankful I am exercising restraint, when and if I decided to show a hostile attitude...make no mistake, you will know it.

    Aren't we the little bully, taao? I'm sure Muhammad. Amir. Khan is just quaking in his boots! So you're going to show a hostile attitude on a website? I'm frightened by the thought of you displaying your hostile typing skills!

    How laughable!

    • 4 votes
    #1.72 - Fri May 20, 2011 11:37 AM EDT
    taao

    No, what is laughable is that weak assed posting at 1.72 But of course I am all to familiar with that trait in your posts tracy anyways.

    • 3 votes
    #1.73 - Fri May 20, 2011 11:49 AM EDT
    tracytruth

    Devastating taao, (post 1.73) was just devastating! Should I be afraid now that you've unleashed your hostile attitude towards me? Again laughable!

    Just a little "friendly advise". Next time THINK before you write a check that your ass can't cash.

    • 2 votes
    #1.74 - Fri May 20, 2011 12:56 PM EDT
    Just My 2 Coppers

    ROFL - Jason Burnham - I have read your blogs and you were going to do that anyway. So, Obama, in echoing the same sentiment as GW Bush, Clinton as well as GHW Bush, has lost nothing.

    • 2 votes
    #1.75 - Fri May 20, 2011 1:06 PM EDT
    taao

    Ewww you just so owned me again tracy...amazing! Tracy everyone. (golf clap)

    • 3 votes
    #1.76 - Fri May 20, 2011 1:22 PM EDT
    JustinPM

    "Lets Roll!"

    Sooo, Muslim sounding name equals "treat 'em like the 9/11 hijackers"? That's pretty messed up.

    • 3 votes
    #1.77 - Fri May 20, 2011 1:22 PM EDT
    Jason Burnham

    ROFL - Jason Burnham - I have read your blogs and you were going to do that anyway.

    You don't know that and the only blog I wrote about President Obama was after the Oil Spill. Post 1.52 is exactly how I feel. Nothing has changed pre-Obama or post-Obama. The big question I have is "What has happened to the Left?"

    I don't apologize for supporting the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, the killing of Arabs, or waterboarding. The Left though complained about each and every little thing President Bush did. Nothing changed. Same policies then are the same policies now. If I was happy then about those policies then I am even more happy now. It means the Left were wrong about them all. So, does this mean the Left understands that they were wrong or was it just political games? Was it just fake anger?

    Libya? You think I was angry about Libya? I expected the Left to lash out but all of a sudden they are just as big of War Mongers as I am. They sure weren't this way back in the Bush era but now they are all for bombing sovereign countries? What changed? I think it was just political games for the Left? I sure haven't changed. If we kill Quadafi I will cheer. Will you join me? I think you will because it's just more political games for the left.

    What about the raids on anti-war protesters? Where is the anger from the Left? These were the people you thought were heroes? I dislike them to the core but that is just who I am. They are just a bunch of whiny liberal "Look at me" nobodies who get soldiers killed. Real soldiers fighting real battles. Now all of a sudden you hear nothing from the left. They sold these guys for a political buck. I sure as hell didn't change but my view of the left is they are just a bunch of back stabbing crap mongers. Till they get back to supporting their anti-war buddies that won't change and if they suddenly change their tune when a Republican takes offic then I'll have even more disdain for them than I do now.

    So, no changes on my part. I got the President I wanted. A mad, roving, killing, throw the bastiches in the brig, destroy the anti-war protesters President I have always wanted. And then he says this... Grrrrr... But this doesn't explain why the liberals have suddenly become mad, roving, killing, throw the bastichesin the brig, supporters that they have become unless 1 of 2 things have occurred. They either trully came around to my way of thinking or they just don't care because it's about Team Spirit. If it's number 2 then you have no beliefs, no values, nothing to support except the President as long as he states he's a Democrat.

    No games with me... I say what I mean and I mean what I say. That is something the left can't say anymore.

    • 3 votes
    #1.78 - Fri May 20, 2011 9:53 PM EDT
    taao

    JustinPM

    Sooo, Muslim sounding name equals "treat 'em like the 9/11 hijackers"? That's pretty messed up.

    Yeah Justin thats what it was he had a Muslim sounding name. That is probably one of the most idiotic things I have ever seen posted. Next time actually try reading the conversation before making ass-umptions.

    • 2 votes
    #1.79 - Sat May 21, 2011 12:01 AM EDT
    JustinPM

    Yeah taao, are you then saying that someone pro-palestine would have to be pro-9/11 then? Because what other good reason would you quote the last words on United 93 to a fellow viner for unless you believe that to be an adequate response?

    Talk about making ass-umptions.

    • 1 vote
    #1.80 - Sat May 21, 2011 12:10 AM EDT
    FrJackHackett

    taao's obviously under a lot of stress lately

    • 1 vote
    #1.81 - Sat May 21, 2011 10:01 AM EDT
    JustinPM

    Next time actually try reading the conversation before making ass-umptions.

    While we're reporting things.

    • 2 votes
    #1.82 - Sun May 22, 2011 11:37 AM EDT
    Muhammad. Amir. Khan

    I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the sensible voices, that I have read on this seed. I would personally like to thank taao for the educational. I have never used the inflammatory button before, and now I have the hang of it. Good Job, taao. Thank you again.

    • 2 votes
    #1.83 - Sun May 22, 2011 2:52 PM EDT
    notsojingo

    You may even find the 'ignore author' button even more appealing, as I have had taao on it for quite some time.

    Everytime I open one of his post to remind myself why, he never fails to not dissapoint my decision.

    Peace, and FR sent.

      #1.84 - Thu May 26, 2011 2:22 PM EDT
      taao

      Muhammad. Amir. Khan
      I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the sensible voices, that I have read on this seed. I would personally like to thank taao for the educational. I have never used the inflammatory button before, and now I have the hang of it. Good Job, taao. Thank you again.

      Your thanks is as welcomed as much as your extension of friendship is appriciated.

        #1.85 - Thu May 26, 2011 5:28 PM EDT
        notsojingo

        :-)

        <silence>

          #1.86 - Thu May 26, 2011 10:21 PM EDT
          taao

          Post #1.86 a beautiful thing! Loved it on Martin Sheen as well.

          • 1 vote
          #1.87 - Thu May 26, 2011 10:27 PM EDT
          Reply
          RAY FRIEDMAN

          Simply a pose for re election, he shows little understanding of that region and the dynamics behind the the picture.The only firm stance he has shown is that of being vague, overly PC and not a viable player as a leader in the world areana.Yes he is the chief and commander of tghe most powerful military in the world , but is failing to see our slipping in so many other aresa.

          • 17 votes
          Reply#2 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:04 PM EDT
          GaryColumbus

          Many Presidents have tried to get both sides together without much success. Mostly Carter, Clinton and Bush 43.

          How much money have we given Israel throughout the years? Enough to pay down our own deficit and then some! Why would Israel and Palestine draw down their conflicts when they are both getting billion$ from US annually if not quarterly? Same things going on with our relationship with Pakistan because of their nuclear capabilities and the Taliban threat.

          Whenever there is a threat we tend to throw money at it like that is supposed to help. It is blackmail plain and simple. And unfortunately it's our own government doing the blackmail.

          With our own economy these days. All countries getting assistance from us should have to show a prophiciency they are moving towards a progressive democracy or they can kiss those funds goodbye. Why should we continue to throw our money in an ungrateful, bottomless well ?!?

          • 1 vote
          #2.1 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:27 AM EDT
          Sharpear

          I'm still wondering how this speech can be considered "a shift" in U.S. policy on Isreal. This is the fourth consecutive President of the United States to put forward the idea of restoring the pre-Six Day War borders and state that Palestinians NEED to recognize Isreal. G.W. Bush (2005), Bill Clinton (2000) and G.H.W. Bush (can't remember date) all proposed the same exact thing.

          • 1 vote
          #2.2 - Fri May 20, 2011 1:13 PM EDT
          Bill-Weeks

          To me, this situation is analogous to the Iron Curtain falling. Except, for a couple of very important differences:

          1. The U.S. was the cause and played a major roll in eliminating the Soviet Union
          2. Their were large numbers of secular, well educated, people enthusiastic about prospect of new found freedom.
            #2.3 - Fri May 20, 2011 2:20 PM EDT
            AZPADDY

            PatN

            If president Obama were to increase our military numbers in the middle east, you'd snark on him for that too, so your opinion means....what?

            After 60 plus years, it's time Israel stood on its own. Besides, we support them and they thank us by threats??

              #2.4 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:15 PM EDT
              taao

              I would threaten us as well, if I had to deal with that freaking idiot Obama. Now you want to also play the game of change stance because your @!$%#ing President says so. I'm sure the U.S. military will be so thankful of Liberal support.

              • 1 vote
              #2.5 - Sat May 21, 2011 12:52 AM EDT
              AZPADDY

              taao

              What a well reasoned, even tempered response!

              Congratulations.......

                #2.6 - Sat May 21, 2011 5:10 AM EDT
                gatoralum

                Of course, it is not a change in longstanding U.S. policy which has always opposed the annexation of the occupied territories.

                • 1 vote
                #2.7 - Sat May 21, 2011 6:35 AM EDT
                taao

                Thank you AZ! I knew you would like that. Just goes to show ya with proper instruction...anything is possible.

                • 1 vote
                #2.8 - Sat May 21, 2011 9:38 AM EDT
                Reply
                Drizzey

                The future of the US is bound to the Mideast and Obama picked the wrong side.

                • 24 votes
                #3 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:05 PM EDT
                Kshark

                Oh, no I think Obama in his thoughts picked the correct side. It would not surprise me if there is a sneaky subliminal tactic going on here.

                • 11 votes
                #3.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:43 PM EDT
                rimbauda

                Israel could promise to go back to its 1967 borders, if the Palestinians could refrain from any attacks on Israel for a continuous 2 years. Each time there is an attack, the clock could be reset to the beginning. The current state of siege does not bode a long-term future for Israel, which is an incentive for Israel to refrain from actions that would provoke attacks inside the 1967 borders.

                • 10 votes
                #3.2 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:06 PM EDT
                vol fan in chatt, tn

                drizzey...well said!!

                • 8 votes
                #3.3 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:17 PM EDT
                Kshark

                rimbauda--

                Groundhog Day huh.

                • 9 votes
                #3.4 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:19 PM EDT
                Drizzey

                rimbauda - where does it stop?

                vol fan in chatt, tn - Thanks!

                • 7 votes
                #3.5 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:24 PM EDT
                Dennis Chosen

                Obama... He thinks, acts, and speaks like a true Muslim. Get the hook!!!

                • 7 votes
                #3.6 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:36 PM EDT
                CCArm

                ^^ why don't you all get a clue. Obama is going to be a success at this as well. The timing is perfect with the unrest in the neighboring countries, it's time for Israel to make the pact. They need us? They need to understand that drawing the line now is to their advantage, it might not be if they wait.

                • 8 votes
                #3.7 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:11 PM EDT
                taao

                Yup, rousing success in the U.S. Extraordinary success in Libya. Wherever he treads the sick are healed, the blind can see, and an aura of love infects everyone it touches...Awwwwww.

                • 10 votes
                #3.8 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:14 PM EDT
                CCArm

                I don't expect the blind to see.

                • 5 votes
                #3.9 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:26 PM EDT
                taao

                Have you tried corrective surgery? There is still always that whole "Hope" and "Change" thingy.

                • 11 votes
                #3.10 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:30 PM EDT
                Z1P2

                It would not surprise me if there is a sneaky subliminal tactic going on here.

                You're catching on to his tactics. Say something that he knows more about than the public is allowed to know that will make the right wingers go ape$hit and look insane when the full truth of the situation is revealed.

                • 2 votes
                #3.11 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:43 PM EDT
                HappyToSeeYa

                @CCArm - the blind that you speak of tend to believe very strongly in American exceptionalism and military might. Since the long ago establishment of the concept of American exceptionalism, a lot of people in the world have come into technological equality and at least in a couple or more instances, technological superiority. The global diaspora (a lot of people of color in China and India and the Middle East) no longer wants or waits for the US to lead it. Hell, China is desperately trying to decouple US currency from global finance and economics which, if it ever happens, will drop this country into immediate third world status.

                Under the circumstances, this is our country's moment under the leadership of President Barack Obama to be guided to our greater destiny. If the teapublicans get their way and take us back to the late 18th century through mid 19th century glamorized ideals of our country as presented by the radical right, we are going to fall and fall hard.

                • 5 votes
                #3.12 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:45 PM EDT
                taao

                LOL I love posts like 3.12! "Never retreat, never surrender...to infinity and beyond! WTF do you mean Obama lost!" For at least the next four years after Obama gets his arrogant moronic ass handed to him alongside his walking papers Liberals will still be calling the new Republican President...President Obama. "Yeah we sure showed them that time didn't we President Obama?" "Dude for the last time...my name is not Obama."

                • 3 votes
                #3.13 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:34 PM EDT
                Fred Evil

                The future of the US is bound to the Mideast and Obama picked the wrong side.

                Uhh, no. He didn't pick a side. He told both sides to stop acting like children, and to go back to the last serious agreement, and start over.

                But I'm not surprised the partisan viners have nothing but smear and distortion to offer, same ol' same ol' from the right.

                • 3 votes
                #3.14 - Thu May 19, 2011 5:16 PM EDT
                swagg

                It's the evangelicals tinfoil hat bonanza, you know their Doomsday Eve festival, Saturday is May 21, they have to spurt out as much nonsense about Obama their messiah before the rapture. They are the ones thinking he should selectively save the world, and get their panties in a bunch when he lags.

                • 2 votes
                #3.15 - Thu May 19, 2011 7:46 PM EDT
                rimbauda

                #3.12

                While the rest of the world is making business deals, we are busy fighting pointless, old fashioned, imperialistic wars against archaic enemies. I like to watch the Asian news on the Japanese channel (NHK World): there really appears to be a lot of alliances going on in the world, in which we are "out of the loop".

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH9SbwSQCk4

                http://www.mikegravel.us/?q=node/238

                Gravel: If we continue with American imperialism, we're done as a nation. Truly are. And two things coming at us. We're going to be irrelevant in the world. You see this in foreign affairs when you see all these other countries making arrangements by themselves; don't even invite us to the meeting. Why? We come to a meeting; we think we know it all. We're the superpower—you've got to listen to us.

                  #3.16 - Thu May 19, 2011 10:37 PM EDT
                  JustinPM

                  Washington Post Staff Writers
                  Saturday, November 13, 2004; Page A01

                  President Bush set a goal yesterday of ensuring the creation of a peaceful, democratic Palestinian state alongside Israel before he leaves office in 2009. With British Prime Minister Tony Blair at his side, Bush pledged to put the resources of the United States and the prestige of his presidency behind the quest.

                  "I'd like to see it done in four years," Bush said. "I think it is possible."

                  I guess Bush was a pretty bad dude too. And Clinton.

                  • 3 votes
                  #3.17 - Fri May 20, 2011 4:44 AM EDT
                  taao

                  And that applies to this situation how Justin? Did President Bush attempt to bully Israel into submission? More Liberal justification.

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.18 - Fri May 20, 2011 7:39 AM EDT
                  HappyToSeeYa

                  LOL

                  Our corporations have already off-shored our jobs. Teapublican economists, owned by the Koch brothers, with straight faces, propose selling America's assets to corporations in order to lower the deficit. IF, politicians are stupid enough to sell off American assets [most likely to the Koch brothers and multi-national corporations], we will no longer have any discussions about American exceptionalism.

                  Hell, yeah, we are out of the loop in the global diaspora and we got outside long before Obama became president. Israelis and Palestinians have stakes in the global diaspora and their constant fighting has ripple effects across their region and the world.

                  @3.13 - please, step away from the caffeine

                  • 2 votes
                  #3.19 - Fri May 20, 2011 9:56 AM EDT
                  Sharpear

                  taao, Attempt to bully? Have you actually read the speech or are facts irrelevant to you?

                    #3.20 - Fri May 20, 2011 1:55 PM EDT
                    taao

                    Of course facts are important to me...wtf do I look like? A Liberal?

                    • 2 votes
                    #3.21 - Fri May 20, 2011 2:21 PM EDT
                    Sharpear

                    Then why don't you try citing one once in a while.

                    If you considered anything the president said as bullying, leaving that chair you're in must be a terrifying prospect for you.

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.22 - Fri May 20, 2011 2:39 PM EDT
                    StoneyT

                    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/allen-west-on-obama-backing-palestine-could-be-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-israel/

                      #3.23 - Fri May 20, 2011 2:46 PM EDT
                      taao

                      Sharpear

                      Then why don't you try citing one once in a while.

                      If you considered anything the president said as bullying, leaving that chair you're in must be a terrifying prospect for you.

                      Ewww just so scathing there I sure felt that one! Speaking of of getting out of the chair, must not be to hard seeing as I need a few minutes to go take a liberal dump.

                        #3.24 - Fri May 20, 2011 2:56 PM EDT
                        JustinPM

                        And that applies to this situation how Justin? Did President Bush attempt to bully Israel into submission? More Liberal justification.

                        How is what I quoted any different from President Obama saying it? It applies because folks here are acting like this is a new thing, ala "That seals it! Worst President ever!" when it's pretty much in line with our last 18 years of policy. That's how it applies.

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                        #3.25 - Sat May 21, 2011 12:00 AM EDT
                        taao

                        You know the beauty of it Justin...your trash plastic wannabe President has screwed the pooch and soon will be gone. You can cheer him and attempt to spread all the false posts you like. But in the end Americans will throw him away and put him in a non-recycle container...thats coming November 2012.

                          #3.26 - Sat May 21, 2011 1:14 AM EDT
                          JustinPM

                          You know the beauty of it Justin...your trash plastic wannabe President has screwed the pooch and soon will be gone.

                          Only time will tell, the current herd of Republicans certainly aren't making that a likely scenario, and Paul Ryan's budget is going to be a brutal wake up to Republicans I'd think.

                          You can cheer him and attempt to spread all the false posts you like.

                          What was false in my post? If you're gonna claim it, you better cite it other wise I'm going to call you a liar until you do.

                          But in the end Americans will throw him away and put him in a non-recycle container...thats coming November 2012.

                          I don't think things are going to be so cut and dry. The 2010 Republicans are doing an outstanding job of disenfranchising voters at a remarkable rate. They want to kill unions, parade on lies of small government while instituting policies in school and clinics, and ultimately take away Medicare to get more profit toward their corporate overlords. Notice the jobs part in all those things? Yeah, I didn't either. I'd say most of the legislation put forth by all of these freshmen Republicans haven't created too damn much in the way of jobs. So I'm thinking people are going to remember Paul Ryan for a long time, as the person who gave Democrats an enormous issue to point out Republican failure with.

                            #3.27 - Sat May 21, 2011 1:40 AM EDT
                            AZPADDY

                            I see the rightwingers are still smarting from Driftwod1's being banned and are stil trying to gang tackle various articles.

                            "Swoop N' Poop" comments that simply attempt to antagonize and not a word of reason.

                            Nice.

                              #3.28 - Sat May 21, 2011 5:18 AM EDT
                              gatoralum

                              Taao: Does this statement of position also offend you:

                              Any final status agreement must be reached between the two parties, and changes to the 1949 Armistice Lines must be mutually agreed to. A viable two-state solution must ensure contiguity on the West Bank, and a state of scattered territories will not work. There must also be meaningful linkages between the West Bank and Gaza. This is the position of the United States today; it will be the position of the United States at the time of final status negotiations.

                              The imminent Israeli disengagement from Gaza, parts of the West Bank, presents an opportunity to lay the groundwork for a return to the roadmap. All parties have a responsibility to make this hopeful moment in the region a new and peaceful beginning. That is why I assigned General Kip Ward, who is with us today, to support your efforts, Mr. President, to reform the Palestinian security services and to coordinate the efforts of the international community to make that crucial task a success. The United States also strongly supports the mission of the Quartet's special envoy, Jim Wolfensohn, to make sure that the Gaza disengagement brings Palestinians a better life.

                              http://mediamatters.org/research/201105200004?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mediamatters%2Flatest+(Media+Matters+-+Latest+Items)

                              The 1949 armistice lines are the pre-1967 borders. This was President Bush in 2006. Your contention that this President changed American policy is either an intentional attempt to mislead or the result of complete ignorance of the facts. Pretty typical for those who oppose the President.

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                              #3.29 - Sat May 21, 2011 6:42 AM EDT
                              taao

                              Please keep that thought exactly as it is Justin. I remember seeing those same forms of childish baseless innuendo postings prior to November 2010. But of course that was a HUGE LIberal win as we all know. Some people would argue that a group of people who might actually be as supremely intellectually intelligent as they love to have people believe they are, would have learned from such a total political ass kicking and changed their ways. But not Liberals they said lets deny what happened and lets conduct the same crap we always have. Spread the lies and make them unbelievable this time.

                              So please tell us all about "Republican failure"...because I guess learning from a movement that is failure is pretty much the same thing as expert advice on what to avoid doing.

                              By the way gator how did Mr. Obama's idea go over with Netanyahu about moving those borders?

                              "The only peace that will endure is one based on reality, on unshakeable facts," Netanyahu said, leaning intently toward a grim Obama in the appearance that followed an unusually long, three-hour meeting Friday.

                              http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-us-israel-20110521,0,7340101.story

                              Maybe the One should lend Palestine "freedom fighters" (aka terrorists) a hand now and conduct a "humanitarian" effort by invading Israel. Seeing how that worked out so well in LIbya that is. The One does not appear pleased that his command was not obeyed...Awwwww. Heres to more fine examples of Obama success! WTG Plastic Prez!

                              Seems Netanyahu has Obama down very well...

                              "The only peace that will endure is one based on reality, on unshakeable facts,"

                              Two things Obama nor his minions have any sort of clue about.

                              • 1 vote
                              #3.30 - Sat May 21, 2011 9:57 AM EDT
                              gatoralum

                              Not moving any borders. Do you ever pay attention? You just make up your own facts. The President said that the 1967 borders, with appropriate adjustments agree to by the parties to reflect the reality on the ground, is the starting point for any discussion. You will oppose and criticize anything this president does without any rational or remotely intelligent reason for doing so. You are pavlovian in your response; like the mindless reaction of Pavlov's dogs to the dinner bell, you respond with mindless criticism of anything the president does. Every story about the President that is posted here, you here Ding Ding and you come a running, slobbering to post simple minded, uninformed attacks.

                              • 1 vote
                              #3.31 - Sat May 21, 2011 10:27 AM EDT
                              JustinPM

                              Please keep that thought exactly as it is Justin. I remember seeing those same forms of childish baseless innuendo postings prior to November 2010.

                              If you think the backlash to the Paul Ryan budget, the fact that 42 Republican representatives appealed to President Obama to stop people attacking them on Medicare, and the fact that Newt Gingrich did a full flip on his opinion of the budget are "baseless" then I would question if you knew what the term "base" meant. Not to mention Wisconsin and the recall elections of at least four representatives. The folks who were put in during the Nov 2010 elections ran on the economy and jobs. And their first legislations have had jack to do with either of them.

                              But of course that was a HUGE LIberal win as we all know.

                              Do you get paid everytime you use the word liberal? That's the only reason I can see why you use it so much.

                              Some people would argue that a group of people who might actually be as supremely intellectually intelligent as they love to have people believe they are, would have learned from such a total political ass kicking and changed their ways.

                              And yet the Republicans, not unlike the Democrats, are up to their same issues. And they're not following through on what they campaigned on.

                              But not Liberals they said lets deny what happened and lets conduct the same crap we always have. Spread the lies and make them unbelievable this time.

                              Speaking of lies liar, what was my "false post"? If we're talking truth, what falsehood am I pushing?

                              So please tell us all about "Republican failure"...because I guess learning from a movement that is failure is pretty much the same thing as expert advice on what to avoid doing.

                              Less you've not read my post before, it explained it pretty concisely. Paul Ryan's budget is going to be a noose for Republicans this next election cycle. Support it and you distance yourself from the public, rail against it and your party distances itself from you. See Newt Gingrich if you need an example.

                                #3.32 - Sat May 21, 2011 11:24 AM EDT
                                taao

                                gatoralum I can very proudly state that I do not pay attention to Liberals nor Obama, nor do I give a damn about "Liberal" facts. I am an American and only care about the real facts and what benefits the American people and serves our best interests,

                                • 1 vote
                                #3.33 - Sat May 21, 2011 7:11 PM EDT
                                FrJackHackett

                                Attagirl/boy, taao. You don' need no stinkin' facts, right?

                                • 1 vote
                                #3.34 - Sat May 21, 2011 7:47 PM EDT
                                taao

                                Oh no I am great with facts Fr. come on buddy read, then reply. Not reply and not read at all.

                                • 1 vote
                                #3.35 - Sat May 21, 2011 8:34 PM EDT
                                JustinPM

                                So it's "scurry away" is it taao? Too inconvenient to point out just what my "false post" was? The fact that you see a distinction between a fact and a "liberal fact" is astounding. Even more astounding that you've not actually pointed out one of these "liberal facts" that you don't care about so much because you're 'Merican! You're not interested in what's best for the United States, don't portray yourself as that. You're comically reactionary. If President Obama or a Democrat said they like bread you'd say it's part of "the liberal plot to get people to eat too many carbs". And never have I seen someone post so much with so little to say.

                                  #3.36 - Sat May 21, 2011 9:28 PM EDT
                                  taao

                                  Scurry away? Hmmm makes me think of something here what is that? Oh yeah for some reason Liberal false superiority and arrogance just popped up all of a sudden...wonder why that is? Justin, you are not even close to being able to be up to that task. Save it. There is a huge distinction between what a Liberal considers a fact and an actual fact...you can go ahead with posting the little games and all that other Liberal bull@!$%#...but its not me you need to worry about. Its the others that have seen Liberals for what they truly are, pssst they arn't really happy with Obama nor Liberal leftistlature. I believe Liberals often refer to them as "stupid" and "ignorant". I call them Americans.

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                                  #3.37 - Sun May 22, 2011 12:27 AM EDT
                                  gatoralum

                                  The key fact in this discussion is whether the President changed the policy of this nation and the real fact is that he did not. You do not care about the facts; if they get in the way of you pathological hatred of this good man serving you in the White House, you ignore them or, better yet, misrepresent them. You have yet to offer any "facts", just arrogant assertions that you know better than anyone else. What are the facts, Taao? Is the statement that settlement in the Middle East requires that the starting point for territorial resolution be the 1967 borders not true? Can you back that up with anything other than your opinion?

                                    #3.38 - Sun May 22, 2011 6:04 AM EDT
                                    JustinPM

                                    Scurry away? Hmmm makes me think of something here what is that? Oh yeah for some reason Liberal false superiority and arrogance just popped up all of a sudden...wonder why that is?

                                    Because you happen to be a liar that won't fess up to being one.

                                    Justin, you are not even close to being able to be up to that task. Save it.

                                    Says the liar.

                                    There is a huge distinction between what a Liberal considers a fact and an actual fact...you can go ahead with posting the little games and all that other Liberal bull@!$%#...but its not me you need to worry about.

                                    Look, I can easily fess up to my mistakes. I have in the past, it seems you can't. So, forevermore you'll be addressed as liar until you either fess up to it or prove it. It's not liberal bull@!$%#, it's because you said I had a false post and you haven't proven @!$%#. Seems your Conservative facts are just as good as Liberal ones. Too bad I'm not using those.

                                    Its the others that have seen Liberals for what they truly are, pssst they arn't really happy with Obama nor Liberal leftistlature.

                                    The oddity is that you think people are happy with the Conservatives right now. They're eating their own right now. It isn't a left vs. right thing here, not anymore. The Nov 2010 elections were about "populace outrage" and the folks that were elected were there to "fix" it. They've not done that. Not at all.

                                    I believe Liberals often refer to them as "stupid" and "ignorant". I call them Americans.

                                    And that sad trope by some zany Conservatives. If you're a Liberal, you're not American. So sad. See, whereas I think you're pretty consistently wrong liar, I still think you're an American. Courtesy doesn't go far these days I guess.

                                      #3.39 - Sun May 22, 2011 7:33 AM EDT
                                      taao

                                      JustinPM

                                      Because you happen to be a liar that won't fess up to being one.

                                      then

                                      Says the liar.

                                      Ok, I wonder if you will be allowed to get away with this type of personal attack. I eagerly await to see the moderation. Reported.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #3.40 - Sun May 22, 2011 10:48 AM EDT
                                      FrJackHackett

                                      luv ya, taao, but what you call facts and what facts really are couldn't be more opposite. I agree that it's not fair to call a liar. I know you do sincerely believe all those wrong things you post. But no matter how heartfelt your belief you're not dealing in the factual world. Here, maybe this will help:

                                      RoveAttacksBushPolicy

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #3.41 - Sun May 22, 2011 11:02 AM EDT
                                      JustinPM

                                      Then we'll find out if lying is less of a personal attack than calling someone a liar is. I'm eager to find out. And I gave you ample time to prove just what my false post was and you danced around it.

                                        #3.42 - Sun May 22, 2011 11:31 AM EDT
                                        JustinPM

                                        I remember seeing those same forms of childish baseless innuendo postings prior to November 2010.

                                        Spread the lies and make them unbelievable this time.

                                        Reported

                                        I call them Americans.

                                        Reported.

                                          #3.43 - Sun May 22, 2011 11:42 AM EDT
                                          taao

                                          Hmmm going on a little over four hours and no action against the blatant COH attack yet...(tic, toc, tic, toc)

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #3.44 - Sun May 22, 2011 1:51 PM EDT
                                          JustinPM

                                          From the CoH:

                                          Adding a personal attack to an otherwise valuable comment or article serves only to render that contribution invalid in its entirety. Such content is subject to moderation.

                                          So are you saying the things you've been saying about me and my posts in this article are not personal? You claim that I've made false posts and childish baseless innuendo and you say that's not personal? Really? And the way you brandish the term Liberal is far from it's use, you use it as an insult and you've done that for a long time. That doesn't seem to me to be the respect that the first rule in the CoH talks about.

                                            #3.45 - Sun May 22, 2011 2:07 PM EDT
                                            taao

                                            Five hours (tic, toc)

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #3.46 - Sun May 22, 2011 2:47 PM EDT
                                            vol fan in chatt, tn

                                            And the way you brandish the term Liberal is far from it's use, you use it as an insult

                                            Ummm, if the shoe fits...

                                              #3.47 - Sun May 22, 2011 5:25 PM EDT
                                              FrJackHackett

                                              Five hours (tic, toc)

                                              For anyone who doesn't get that, taao's pretending she/he's a clock.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #3.48 - Sun May 22, 2011 6:49 PM EDT
                                              JustinPM

                                              Ummm, if the shoe fits...

                                              Not what I meant. Liberal facts, liberal blah blah blah. Does that show respect then Vol? Would the reverse where someone says Conservatives do nothing but try and ruin the country not be grenade trolling?

                                                #3.49 - Sun May 22, 2011 7:11 PM EDT
                                                taao

                                                FrJackHackett

                                                For anyone who doesn't get that, taao's pretending she/he's a clock.

                                                Wow you got that all on your own Fr? You know there are people that say you are not very...well no need to go into that here. But I have to tell ya buddy, I am a fan!

                                                  #3.50 - Sun May 22, 2011 7:59 PM EDT
                                                  taao

                                                  JustinPM

                                                  Not what I meant. Liberal facts, liberal blah blah blah. Does that show respect then Vol?

                                                  So you are saying the Liberal movement is entitled to my respect? What next demonstrate my love and adoration for Obama by sucking his dick? Not happening on both accounts. You are simply attempting to excuse your personal attack upon me. Wtf are you afraid of Justin, you damn well know you are not going to be held accountable...hell let loose and be yourself.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #3.51 - Sun May 22, 2011 8:03 PM EDT
                                                  JustinPM

                                                  Since when is calling someone what they've done an attack? Is calling a person who farms a farmer an attack? You haven't even alluded to what you've said about my "false posts", so I can only gather that it was a lie. What do you call someone who lies? I'm not trying to excuse a personal attack, because I didn't personally attack you. I'm not saying the "liberal movement" is entitled to your respect, by signing up on Newsvine and continuing to use it you agree to respect its users. Which you clearly do not. That's what this whole kerfuffle is about. And rather than own up to the fact that you said I've been making false posts and not even attributing what you believe those posts to be, you've taken this route of not even mentioning it and instead just saying it's unfair that you're being hoisted by your own petard. Sorry that it seems you think that you or I won't be held up to the same standard on Newsvine, I've seen that viewpoint from many folks. That doesn't mean it's true. If Tyler or Sally clear this up and suspend or ban either you or me, it's not because it's a "liberal media thing". It's because they're moderating it how they're told to. And if you think you've been entirely respectful to your fellow users then I don't know what to say on that perspective other than it's flawed.

                                                    #3.52 - Sun May 22, 2011 8:30 PM EDT
                                                    taao

                                                    Any excuse will do Justin but you really have no need to attempt to bull@!$%# me, like it will matter if you try. We both know what you did...its simply right up at #3.39 and all the white wash in the world isn't going to change that.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #3.53 - Sun May 22, 2011 11:02 PM EDT
                                                    JustinPM

                                                    Since when I am trying to white wash something? I'm using precisely no bull@!$%#. To this very last post you still haven't claimed what I put down that was false. And, you also make it out that I'm trying to "white wash" what I've done. Did I say up in my post up there that I didn't call you a liar? Nope. So what is it when someone tries to push a falsehood then, not unlike #3.53 trying to say that I'm trying to say that I'm "bull@!$%#ting you" when I've put it down clear as day? Is it a personal attack to call someone who's demonstrated intolerance toward races a racist? Also, there are excuses and there are reasons. What I've provided is a reason. An excuse says "but it isn't wrong!" whereas a reason also explains the motivation. I've done that. And, at least 10 posts in, you still haven't provided me with an explanation of what my "false post" was. You made the claim, failed to back it up, and I told you that if you don't I'm going to call you out on it. And I did.

                                                    What was false in my post? If you're gonna claim it, you better cite it other wise I'm going to call you a liar until you do.

                                                    So just what was a personal attack then? You stated something false. Which you still haven't owned up to. And instead of even mentioning it, you just continue to say that calling someone what they are in this case is a personal attack. I'm astounded. Personal responsibility is truly a lost virtue.

                                                      #3.54 - Mon May 23, 2011 12:29 AM EDT
                                                      taao

                                                      Nothing I stated was false but it is nice to see you admit to a CoH violation. Again Justin have fun with it and let your true self out. You are not going to be held accountable. Give everyone a fine example of true Liberal morals and integrity here.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #3.55 - Mon May 23, 2011 7:29 AM EDT
                                                      JustinPM

                                                      At this point all I can gather is that you may have trouble with reading my posts. Because at this point I've asked 7 times or so to point out what was my false post and you haven't even responded to it. So, how exactly is calling you what I've called you against the CoH and how is what you've said not? You've presented a falsehood, a.k.a. a lie and you have not produced evidence to back it up. One who lies is what? Now, prior to me calling you out on your lies, put this little quip in there:

                                                      Next time actually try reading the conversation before making ass-umptions.

                                                      Now how is that not a CoH violation? Where is the respect in that? But I've got the formula on what the rest of this conversation is going to look like. You're not going to own up to anything you've done, you'll just point at me and say "liberal *insert whatever I'm trying to mock*" and go on with your days. So here's where I'm going with this. I'm not going to respond to your posts until there's been a determination on what's gone down here. It seems to be a waste of my time, and it seems you clearly won't ever admit to wrong-doing. So, rather than spinning wheels, I'll take my leave until this whole thing gets cleared up.

                                                        #3.56 - Mon May 23, 2011 7:46 AM EDT
                                                        taao

                                                        And fortunately at this point all I can do is just take satisfaction in the fact of another demonstration of how some people refuse to do the job they are paid to do. As well as to the point that anyone who reads your attacks and is a person of integrity, honesty, and decency see's it for exactly what it is

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #3.57 - Mon May 23, 2011 8:47 AM EDT
                                                        FrJackHackett

                                                        Oh no I am great with facts Fr. come on buddy read, then reply. Not reply and not read at all.

                                                        Now THAT's what I call comedy. Your best effort yet, taao.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #3.58 - Thu May 26, 2011 3:50 PM EDT
                                                        taao

                                                        FrJackHackett

                                                        Now THAT's what I call comedy. Your best effort yet, taao.

                                                        Thank you my friend Fr. I find your response to be as timely as Mr. Obama's crisis management.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #3.59 - Thu May 26, 2011 5:33 PM EDT
                                                        FrJackHackett

                                                        Crisis, taao? Isn't that a bit histrionic...oh, wait, I forgot whom I'm addressing.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #3.60 - Thu May 26, 2011 7:11 PM EDT
                                                        taao

                                                        Awww my friend...that just hurt! Coming from someone whos opinions I respect so highly.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #3.61 - Thu May 26, 2011 7:23 PM EDT
                                                        FrJackHackett

                                                        Really? I thought we had general agreement about your emotional lability.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #3.62 - Thu May 26, 2011 8:46 PM EDT
                                                        taao

                                                        What!?! Was I not friendly and condescending enough? I will so work on that my friend.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #3.63 - Thu May 26, 2011 10:17 PM EDT
                                                        FrJackHackett

                                                        Now, taao, you and I both know that it would be impossible for you to be condescending.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #3.64 - Fri May 27, 2011 8:51 AM EDT
                                                        taao

                                                        This is true...good point my friend.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #3.65 - Fri May 27, 2011 10:54 AM EDT
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                                                        Choctaw Charlie-3491733Deleted
                                                        nospin1

                                                        Does Obama really think all countries want to emulate the US?

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                                                        Reply#5 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:20 PM EDT
                                                        TheManGabriel

                                                        nospin, Let's say nospin1 you became President of Egypt, Syria, Libya, Mexico OR any other nation to leave none out. Would you give the people the Bill of Rights? You would spend Billions just to have a legal system.

                                                          #5.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:28 PM EDT
                                                          littleimp

                                                          What makes you think that attitude started with Obama?

                                                          • 5 votes
                                                          #5.2 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:33 PM EDT
                                                          HappyToSeeYa

                                                          littleimp, that "attitude" has been around since countries started getting their independence from colonial powers, most notably in the 1960s and later

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #5.3 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:54 PM EDT
                                                          nospin1

                                                          gabriel - If I were leader (not necessarily president as that is misleading in some countries) I would not give citizens of each country the opportunity to develop their own "Bill of Rights" not soemthing that is a carbon copy of Americas bill of rights. I would also let the citizens develop the legal system they wanted and that woud become the law of their land.

                                                          littleimp - That attitude did in fact start at least 1/2 a century ago, it was wrong then and is wrong now.

                                                            #5.4 - Fri May 20, 2011 3:27 AM EDT
                                                            Elizabeth MarieDeleted
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                                                            FL Independent

                                                            Lets continue to borrow money to give to countries where the majority of people hate us, where the money will most likely to go corruption and never be used as intended. Its not like were up to our eyeballs in debt and we need money, jobs, infrastructure worked on in our own country.

                                                            Its amazing how we continue to follow the stupidity of the past with our foreign policy.

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                                                            Reply#6 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:27 PM EDT
                                                            Rhazes

                                                            Yeah, biggest part of his speech that pissed me off was him forgiving Egypt 1 billion of debt and pledging another Billion in loans.

                                                            Americans just have to sacrifice more. We can pay for it by cutting taxes to the rich and cutting funding to Medicare, food stamps and education.

                                                            • 20 votes
                                                            #6.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:39 PM EDT
                                                            vol fan in chatt, tn

                                                            Rhazes, I agree with that assessment. Just plain stupid!

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                                                            #6.2 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:19 PM EDT
                                                            Thunder Storm

                                                            Let us hope China is that kind to us.

                                                              #6.3 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:25 PM EDT
                                                              Thunder Storm

                                                              Not going to happen.

                                                                #6.4 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:26 PM EDT
                                                                California Militia

                                                                well, obama did say americans need to tighten their belts. he didnt mention egypt libya or tunesia when he said that.

                                                                what gets me is how much he tosses around while pretending to care about the american economy.

                                                                here is an idea... how about egypt owes us that billion, and we take the other billion we were going to give them and apply it to repairing americans homes which are currently being destroyed by floods. a billion would definately help them. and if they are already getting money (from the american taxpayer) i say this additional billion will only help them more.

                                                                but then those people live in the US, and they need to learn to tighten their belts dont they.

                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                #6.5 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:13 PM EDT
                                                                taao

                                                                But...but...but by stima, errr stemu, by helping Egypt we are actually helping ourselves in a parallel universe! I know! I saw it in a vision granted to me by the One himself! I was sitting on the...errr my "thrown" where I had just taken a liberal one and lo and behold prior to flushing. I looked down and behold I saw the visage of the One himself and it spoke to me! Now granted its no Madonna on a tortilla but hey!

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                                                                #6.6 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:43 PM EDT
                                                                arslp

                                                                California Militia:

                                                                The POTUS doesn't mind tightening the belts on Americans because he's a one-word kinda guy in the first place, and you take from those that have to give to those that don't. Look at the posts of those defending him above. One such "trashbagger" bad mouthes Tea Party members citing "colonialism", and spews the "Koch Brothers" mantra (you know itt's required learning for the leaning left; how many times have you heard it?) There's nothing he can say or do that they wouldn't defend. Silly sheeple....following along after the nation's foremost con-artist. So far he's insulted and offended Great Britain (not accepting a bust of Churchill - probably because he didn't wear a towel on his head; and he gave away their nuclear codes), Poland (by refusing to build the anti-missile defense system that had been promised), and now Israel. Sarcozy (France) said he lived in a "virtual" world; and the POTUS tried mightily to kiss up to him.

                                                                He's as big a crook as Al Capone - he's just dressed in a better suit, and extorts his money from unions, banks, GM, GE. What hypocrites are the left who rave about the "Koch Brothers" and big corporations. GE paid nothing in taxes, but you'll never hear one word about the big corporations that pay for and benefit from the community organizer. You cannot spell the word liberals without l - i - e - s, and these blind sighted bats can't see this lying thief anymore than they can see the same crap they attribute to Republicans right in their own doorways.

                                                                  #6.7 - Fri May 20, 2011 8:20 PM EDT
                                                                  gatoralum

                                                                  The problem with referring to taao as a liar is that presumes that he has informed himself enough to know that what he is posing is not true. Sadly, his posts stem more from ignorance than from dishonesty. I give him the benfit of that doubt that he is really just not that educated about these matters. Not fair to call him liar unless you know that he is informed and able to understand these complex matters.

                                                                    #6.8 - Sun May 22, 2011 1:10 PM EDT
                                                                    FrJackHackett

                                                                    I believe on the subject of belt tightening, the Republicans have the big lead on that one: the public can choke while they perpetuate tax giveaways to the oil barons. That's to the tune of $4bn or more every year ad infinitum, if the Rs get their way. When any right winger admits to that bit of corruption then I'll listen to him/her on mean ol' President Obama.

                                                                      #6.9 - Sun May 22, 2011 1:47 PM EDT
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                                                                      RudyRussoDeleted
                                                                      DBE928

                                                                      Why did Obama have to call for Israel to go back to its 1967 borders, from where they were attacked by combined Arab armies much larger than their own?

                                                                      This is a point for negotiation between Israel and its partners, not for an imposed solution from Washington.

                                                                      What if Netanyahu told Obama the U.S. must go back to its 1845 border with Mexico, to ensure justice? How would that go over?

                                                                      If you don't recall,

                                                                      The Mexican–American War (or Mexican War) was an armed conflict between the United States and Mexico from 1846 to 1848 in the wake of the 1845 U.S. annexation of Texas, which Mexico considered part of its territory despite the 1836 Texas Revolution.

                                                                      American forces invaded and conquered New Mexico, California, and parts of what is currently northern Mexico; meanwhile, the American Navy conducted a blockade, and took several garrisons on the Pacific coast of Mexico—largely what is now California, but also farther south. Another American army captured Mexico City, which forced Mexico to agree to the sale of its northern territories to the U.S.

                                                                      • 9 votes
                                                                      #8 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:34 PM EDT
                                                                      Drizzey

                                                                      Well, that's already what's being taught in AZ. I'm sure there's plenty on Obama's side that would support a weaker United States.

                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                      #8.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:38 PM EDT
                                                                      Kshark

                                                                      DBE928 --

                                                                      This is probably what Obama wants

                                                                      Obama's World

                                                                      • 8 votes
                                                                      #8.2 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:51 PM EDT
                                                                      Islam is Peaceful

                                                                      This will be The Great One's next declaration.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #8.3 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:03 PM EDT
                                                                      lisaed

                                                                      This is a point for negotiation between Israel and its partners, not for an imposed solution from Washington

                                                                      DBE: You'd think Obama would have learned a lesson about making rookie President PUBLIC demands on Israel after he personally set back the entire peace process shortly after his election all by his little self? But NOooooo. He's learned nothing and seems to enjoy setting back the movement for peace rather than furthering it. Mr. Obama, perhaps you should have saved this little 1967 borders bit for private dicussion with Bibi tomorrow, eh? You freaking loser masquerading as a statesman and a diplomat.

                                                                      • 7 votes
                                                                      #8.4 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:05 PM EDT
                                                                      CCArm

                                                                      You freaking loser masquerading as a statesman and a diplomat.

                                                                      FYI the 1967 borders have been the RIGHT borders since the 6 day war. It gives Israel MORE that any other proposition and it is what they won.

                                                                      • 5 votes
                                                                      #8.5 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:25 PM EDT
                                                                      Thunder Storm

                                                                      I say we give Obama back to his pre-administration...oh right. We can do it in 2012. He will end up singled handedly repsonsible for WWIII. Keep up the good work.

                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                      #8.6 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:30 PM EDT
                                                                      HappyToSeeYa

                                                                      CCArm, you can't lead these blind to water so that they may be refreshed and made stronger: they would rather die of thirst.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #8.7 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:56 PM EDT
                                                                      Matt Taylor

                                                                      Why did Obama have to call for Israel to go back to its 1967 borders, from where they were attacked by combined Arab armies much larger than their own?

                                                                      Because the only other civilized alternative is to give full Israeli citizenship to everyone living in Israeli-occupied territories. This would shortly be followed by election of a government that renames the country Palestine and declares Arabic its official language.

                                                                      Abandoning the occupied territories is the only sustainable way for Israel to survive in its current form.

                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                      #8.8 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:30 PM EDT
                                                                      buttzie

                                                                      As far as I can tell Matt, Happy and CCarm are of the few on this post who have any comprehension on the subject. Most of the posters here are just being silly.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #8.9 - Thu May 19, 2011 5:17 PM EDT
                                                                      RAY FRIEDMAN

                                                                      Confounded I am, how many wars , acts , declarations of war and for the abolishment of the Jewish state has there been, yet Israel each time has shown admirable restraint in these wars, So who gets the power to dictate to a nation how they should negogiate and predetermine the results whem they are not the threatened directly.To what length are the Palestinians willing to go for true peace, total disarmarent, denouncing and banning all radical elements that call for Israel's destruction, establishment of a government whose charter declares freedom to all to practice their religions without imposing upon others.The Us must be cautious in how far they meddle in others affairs.

                                                                        #8.10 - Fri May 20, 2011 1:57 PM EDT
                                                                        FrJackHackett

                                                                        What about those settlements, Ray? You know, the ones Israel keeps promising (well maybe they've stopped that pretense by now) not to build but keeps building, in a direct betrayal of the understanding our government has had for more than 30 years.

                                                                          #8.11 - Fri May 20, 2011 3:11 PM EDT
                                                                          RAY FRIEDMAN

                                                                          The answer to that is two fold, one it is really not for the US to decide on that issue. Two if the Us really wanted to take a rigid and unwaivering stance on this issue they would have long ago, it is all posturing, this does mean I agree fully with Israel's policy here to the full extent , but we have seen in the oast Israel has dismantled settlements in a final peace agreement.

                                                                            #8.12 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:42 PM EDT
                                                                            FrJackHackett

                                                                            So the only option left for the U.S. is to be dragged around by the nose by Israel and keep shoveling money at them, is that it?

                                                                            • 1 vote
                                                                            #8.13 - Sat May 21, 2011 10:04 AM EDT
                                                                            RAY FRIEDMAN

                                                                            Politics and alliances are sneaky business and much posturing as to appease others , many facades are presented and the realaity is that all said and done, the Us and Israel have an understanding beyond what they show.

                                                                              #8.14 - Wed May 25, 2011 7:18 AM EDT
                                                                              FrJackHackett

                                                                              Have a look at this, Ray, and tell me what you think:

                                                                              AIPAC Calls American Jews Not Loyal to Netanyahu "Traitors"

                                                                                #8.15 - Wed May 25, 2011 10:27 AM EDT
                                                                                RAY FRIEDMAN

                                                                                I believe that Aipac at times is alittle to extreme and narrow minded, there are times they simply show arrogance.

                                                                                  #8.16 - Wed May 25, 2011 11:20 PM EDT
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                                                                                  mountainfirefall

                                                                                  Now... Israel may just show some righteous and viewable anger... but i'm sure right after the election he'll admit, the welfare they receive never stopped... just the verbal support of their occupation slowed.

                                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                                  Reply#9 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:36 PM EDT
                                                                                  Obbop

                                                                                  Divert the masses of scum, putrid, vile commoner's attention from in-country problems and focus that attention outside the USA.

                                                                                  Much easier to continue class war and make the commoner filth (We, the People) OBEY our masters, our rulers AND the "deserving one's" lackeys, lap-dogs and other well-rewarded figureheads such as Napolitano, Obama and other politician scum who place wealth accumulation and personal advancement over loyalty/duty to the USA as a whole.

                                                                                  Include most (but not every single one) bureaucracies and bureaucrats as being lackeys of our rulers.

                                                                                  OBEY!!!!!!!

                                                                                  Love it or leave it!!!!

                                                                                  USA history has way-too-many examples of our ruling masters using MANY methods to force us to obey; including murder.

                                                                                  OBEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                  Accept your indoctrination. Your life-long brainwashing.

                                                                                  OBEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                  "There's class warfare, all right, Mr. (Warren) Buffett said, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."

                                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                                  Reply#10 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:38 PM EDT
                                                                                  BLD

                                                                                  Dumb, dumb, dumb, and naive. Nothing is going to appease them other than the total and utter destruction of Israel. Remember when Israel pulled out of some of its settlements? Remember the pics of people being drug out of their homes by the military? Burning their houses to avoid giving them over to someone else? Well, Israel made a concession and turned over land and what happened? Within something like a month, bombs were being hurled into Israel again. So much for giving in and making them happy.

                                                                                  Obama is naive, or maybe he is just showing his true allegiance. We are now going to be giving a bunch of money to countries whose new govts are going to be like Pakistan - take OUR money and still harbor terrorists, and some of that money will probably be used against us.

                                                                                  On the plus side, hopefully this stance will remove the Jewish vote from Obama.

                                                                                  • 11 votes
                                                                                  Reply#11 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:42 PM EDT
                                                                                  mountainfirefall

                                                                                  some selective comments that do not remind all just what those numbers are... and who receives the brunt of the military might we support with those billions in welfare dollars... so who's taking american cookies out of the cookie jar?

                                                                                  • 4 votes
                                                                                  #11.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:49 PM EDT
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                                                                                  Marine1986

                                                                                  Obama's urging that a Palestinian state be based on 1967 borders — those that existed before the Six Day War in which Israel occupied East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza — was a significant shift in U.S. policy and seemed certain to anger Israel.

                                                                                  Those that existed before the Six Day war?! Israel occupied?! Let's not forget Israel was about to be ATTACKED! Who are our allies again? Someone please remind me, this administration is clouding our friends and those that harbor the bad guys.

                                                                                  Who writes this stuff, is this a White House Staffer gaf again?

                                                                                  http://datamonster.sbs.arizona.edu/cmes/outreach/files/LPC%20-%202nd%20-%20Hutchinson/READINGS/Reading%20One-6%20Day%20War.pdf

                                                                                  That's my take, not yours.

                                                                                  • 6 votes
                                                                                  Reply#12 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:51 PM EDT
                                                                                  SPECTACULARARAB

                                                                                  Fnally, Obama, voice of reason has spoken.

                                                                                  Second term coming and country Palestine will be free.

                                                                                  • 11 votes
                                                                                  Reply#13 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:51 PM EDT
                                                                                  vol fan in chatt, tn

                                                                                  OMG...

                                                                                  • 7 votes
                                                                                  #13.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:21 PM EDT
                                                                                  taao

                                                                                  LOL I know vol, I know...it just doesn't get any better than that! LOL "Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm!"

                                                                                  • 6 votes
                                                                                  #13.2 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:28 PM EDT
                                                                                  jimreaper

                                                                                  SPECTACULARARAB- You better start using spell-check. You spelled "treason" wrong.

                                                                                  • 7 votes
                                                                                  #13.3 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:52 PM EDT
                                                                                  SPECTACULARARAB

                                                                                  SPECTACULARARAB- You better start using spell-check. You spelled "treason" wrong

                                                                                  My mistake, so here is my correct spelling- TREASONLESS. Better?

                                                                                    #13.4 - Fri May 20, 2011 2:23 PM EDT
                                                                                    arslp

                                                                                    You meant "Treasonous" or "Reasonless", right?

                                                                                      #13.5 - Fri May 20, 2011 11:31 PM EDT
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                                                                                      IndependentVoter

                                                                                      So Israel has to change?

                                                                                      Of course, the Arab world never has to change its attitude or actions toward Israel. Never.

                                                                                      We have yet another idiot in the WH.

                                                                                      • 12 votes
                                                                                      Reply#14 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:53 PM EDT
                                                                                      Kshark

                                                                                      That has always been the most ridiculous thing for me. Forcing Israel to change to accommodate everyone else in the Middle East. Yet the countries around Israel are NOT changing to accept Israel, instead they are using the Palestinian people, sadly enough, as pawns in the sick game to keep attacking Israel.

                                                                                      I have a feeling Israel and the Palestinian people could indeed work things out if everyone stopped influencing everything about it all.

                                                                                      • 9 votes
                                                                                      #14.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:12 PM EDT
                                                                                      lisaed

                                                                                      I have a feeling Israel and the Palestinian people could indeed work things out if everyone stopped influencing everything about it all

                                                                                      Kshark: yes...if Obama would just get the HELL out of the way..........don't hold your breath.

                                                                                      • 7 votes
                                                                                      #14.2 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:06 PM EDT
                                                                                      Kshark

                                                                                      lisaed--

                                                                                      It's not just Obama. I mean everyone.

                                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                                      #14.3 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:20 PM EDT
                                                                                      John-1894652

                                                                                      Or we can relocate Israel in Tennessee, not only would that increse the overall IQ of TN by double digits. It would give the land back to the Arabs the British used to create the State of Israel after WWII.

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #14.4 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:55 PM EDT
                                                                                      common sense-457836

                                                                                      I have a feeling Israel and the Palestinian people could indeed work things out if everyone stopped influencing everything about it all.

                                                                                      Are you joking? Do you even know the first thing about the situation there? Outside influence is the only reason there even is still a Palestinian people.

                                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                                      #14.5 - Thu May 19, 2011 7:08 PM EDT
                                                                                      Muhammad. Amir. Khan

                                                                                      Thank you common sense.

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #14.6 - Thu May 19, 2011 7:53 PM EDT
                                                                                      IndependentVoter

                                                                                      Outside influence is the only reason there even is still a Palestinian people.

                                                                                      What utter nonsense.

                                                                                        #14.7 - Fri May 20, 2011 2:32 PM EDT
                                                                                        taao

                                                                                        IndependentVoter

                                                                                        What utter nonsense.

                                                                                        Actually he might have a point here IndependentVoter...Al Qaeda would be such an example of outside influence. I know I have no problem believing that terrorists support each other.

                                                                                          #14.8 - Fri May 20, 2011 2:40 PM EDT
                                                                                          arslp

                                                                                          John:

                                                                                          It wasn't Britain that gave Israel the land they acquired in 1967 in the 6 Day War - when they were attacked. They won the battle, took all the weapons and even the tanks of those that attacked them - those you obviously support, the bloody and insufferable murderers. They have that for which they fought, and should keep it. And you are anti-semitic.

                                                                                            #14.9 - Fri May 20, 2011 11:34 PM EDT
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                                                                                            George King

                                                                                            Is it inconceivable to ask that a president of the united states be certified as sane or insane. just wondering. tells israel they have to go back to 1967 borders with palestine. this fool will end up being responsible for the next nuclear war on the face of this planet. and it is coming, have no doubt about it.

                                                                                            • 3 votes
                                                                                            Reply#15 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:54 PM EDT
                                                                                            mountainfirefall

                                                                                            uh... check your calender, that would be tuesday

                                                                                            *snickers*

                                                                                              #15.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:55 PM EDT
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                                                                                              JUMANA

                                                                                              Yes we need our land back. give us our land.

                                                                                              • 2 votes
                                                                                              Reply#16 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:57 PM EDT
                                                                                              jimreaper

                                                                                              I have a great idea. Yes, let's give back the land that Israel fought and died for, let's give back all the land to the Nazis that they stole from Europe and we fought to regain, let's give South Korea to the North. Hell, let's even give back the original colonies to the British.

                                                                                              Just make sure that you've got a full bladder first because you'll be pissing all over the graves of the brave people that fought and died so that this unqualified community organizer can give EVERYTHING AWAY.

                                                                                              • 7 votes
                                                                                              #16.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:02 PM EDT
                                                                                              taao

                                                                                              pissing all over the graves of the brave people

                                                                                              You mean the same thing they have been doing in this country. If Obama says do one thing..best to do the opposite.

                                                                                              • 6 votes
                                                                                              #16.2 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:04 PM EDT
                                                                                              CCArm

                                                                                              Just make sure that you've got a full bladder first because you'll be pissing all over the graves of the brave people that fought and died so that this unqualified community organizer can give EVERYTHING AWAY.

                                                                                              He is giving nothing away. the 1967 boundaries are what Israel claimed after victory in the 6 day war. Then the got greedy.

                                                                                              • 4 votes
                                                                                              #16.3 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:32 PM EDT
                                                                                              jimreaper

                                                                                              CCArm- And you are qualified to determine their greed how?

                                                                                              Israel is more entitled to that land than Obama is to ours.

                                                                                              • 4 votes
                                                                                              #16.4 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:36 PM EDT
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                                                                                              Islam is Peaceful

                                                                                              And the Jews will vote him back in for 2012. Makes as much sense as being dependent on the middle east, who don't give a damn about the environment or us, for our energy/oil.

                                                                                                Reply#17 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:57 PM EDT
                                                                                                JUMANA

                                                                                                <p></p>To those who criticize Obama for giving money to the middle east. First, This money were given by all the presidents of the united states to Jordan and Egypt, and the reason is clear, to maintain the fragile peace with Israel. If America decides not to give money, the the king of Jordan will not guarantee a peaceful environment with the occupiers, the Israelis. The king of Jordan is doing a great job in oppressing the jordanians who are mostly of Palestinian origin and in return he come and beg for money. i imagine he was sitting by obama and drooling over the gift. i have many friends in Jordan and they always talk how this abdullah enjoy this money with his government and nothing reaches the people. It is time for the American people to understand the middle east equation.

                                                                                                • 6 votes
                                                                                                Reply#18 - Thu May 19, 2011 1:58 PM EDT
                                                                                                Kshark

                                                                                                JUMANA--

                                                                                                Except that, at the time the money was previously given, was the US in this bad of a financial state? Um no.

                                                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                                                #18.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
                                                                                                CCArm

                                                                                                Except that, at the time the money was previously given, was the US in this bad of a financial state?

                                                                                                Um yes. The difference was we had people in congress that knew when to raise taxes, now we have a bunch of idiots who think we can be the greatest country and NOT PAY FOR IT>

                                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                                #18.2 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:35 PM EDT
                                                                                                jimreaper

                                                                                                JUMANA- You are contradicting yourself in your argument, or lack of.

                                                                                                As far as justifying this because other Presidents did it also is like the definition of insanity, right?

                                                                                                "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".

                                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                                #18.3 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:42 PM EDT
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                                                                                                HydeWhyte

                                                                                                In the Camp David Accords, Israel declared that undivided Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. It is a law of the land much like the US declares that Washington DC is the capital of the US. I do not think Israel has changed their law to accomodate Obama's statements about pre-1967 borders, so I don't yet know how they will work that out. I guess we'll have one place that two countries call their capital, when Palestine becomes a state that is.

                                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                                Reply#19 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
                                                                                                nmbg

                                                                                                Obama tells Israel: Go to hell

                                                                                                • 5 votes
                                                                                                Reply#20 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
                                                                                                George King

                                                                                                Israel tells Obama: Go to hell. The score is 1-1.

                                                                                                • 5 votes
                                                                                                #20.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
                                                                                                George King

                                                                                                Israel tells Obama: Go to hell. The score is 1-1.

                                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                                #20.2 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:05 PM EDT
                                                                                                Islam is Peaceful

                                                                                                And the jewish people in this country will raise money for him and get him re-elected. Why?

                                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                                #20.3 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:07 PM EDT
                                                                                                lisaed

                                                                                                Islam: That's an EXCELLENT question....however Obama 2012 is quite concerned about softening support from the Jewish community. American jews (and I've got several very close Jewish friends who are dyed in the wool libs from birth) seem to be much more concerned about supporting traditional democratic positions on domestic policy than they are with supporting Israel. Evangelicals are far more concerned about supporting Israel than they are (more orthodox, hasidic Jews excluded)....and that's just sad to me.

                                                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                                                #20.4 - Thu May 19, 2011 3:09 PM EDT
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                                                                                                tomwcraig

                                                                                                Here is Obama once again giving with one hand while taking away with the other: "Israel, we aren't abandoning you. Palestinians, stop demanding Israel's destruction! Okay, now that we've done that, Israel, you must give all the territory that you took from Jordan, Egypt, and Syria and give it to the Palestinians. It doesn't matter that you tried to give those territories back to their rightful owners after the 1967 and 1973 wars. It doesn't matter that they refused to take those territories back due to the Palestinians living there. It doesn't matter that the Arabs were using the Palestinians for political reasons to legitimize their demands for your destruction. Just give the Palestinians everything and everyone will live happily ever after. I love my delusions."

                                                                                                • 7 votes
                                                                                                Reply#21 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:02 PM EDT
                                                                                                George King

                                                                                                Duhhhhhhhh. So they owe a BILLION. Uhhhhhh, don't they have OIL to sell. No, I guess not, so we just forgive another debt and give them more money while Americans are living in the streets, the infrastructure of the country is falling apart and we have more than 8% unemployed. Way to go Obama, I actually don't think you are an idiot. I think this is a long planned thing, and you are totally INSANE. Can someone be impeached if found to be INSANE by qualified physicians? Just wondering.

                                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                                Reply#22 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:03 PM EDT
                                                                                                WBOB in Indiana

                                                                                                The Palestinians don't want negotiation. They want Israel gone...giving away parts of land is only appeasement which never works. This is a setup. Israel, if they turn down the 2 state solution (which they should) will be made to look like they aren't willing to negotiate and they'll end up looking like the bad guy on this.

                                                                                                Some ally we are.

                                                                                                • 7 votes
                                                                                                Reply#23 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
                                                                                                WBOB in Indiana

                                                                                                The Palestinians don't want negotiation. They want Israel gone...giving away parts of land is only appeasement which never works. This is a setup. Israel, if they turn down the 2 state solution (which they should) will be made to look like they aren't willing to negotiate and they'll end up looking like the bad guy on this.

                                                                                                Some ally we are.

                                                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                                                Reply#24 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
                                                                                                WBOB in Indiana

                                                                                                The Palestinians don't want negotiation. They want Israel gone...giving away parts of land is only appeasement which never works. This is a setup. Israel, if they turn down the 2 state solution (which they should) will be made to look like they aren't willing to negotiate and they'll end up looking like the bad guy on this.

                                                                                                Some ally we are.

                                                                                                • 10 votes
                                                                                                Reply#25 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
                                                                                                John-1894652Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                                                                Your comments are literally a waste of space.

                                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                                #25.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:27 PM EDT
                                                                                                Libertarian y2k

                                                                                                Well said, WBOB. That is it in a nutshell. We are throwing an ally under the bus in hopes to win over nations that will never be on our side. And no matter what concessions Israel makes, the only one that would appease their enemies is a removal from the middle east.

                                                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                                                #25.2 - Fri May 20, 2011 8:39 AM EDT
                                                                                                gatoralum

                                                                                                How is the President re-stating long standing American policy that there has to be a two state solution (which recognizes the reality that there are actually two states) and that the starting point has to be the borders that existed in 1967 throwing Israel under the bus? Should the President have changed our policy and said that we no longer favor a two state solution and that Israel can annex the territories they have occupied since 1967?

                                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                                #25.3 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:24 AM EDT
                                                                                                FrJackHackett

                                                                                                One of the problems, gatoralum, is that among the many Bush failures was his complete lack of balls with Israel. He let the Israeli government jerk him around his entire "presidency." Now we have a President who puts U.S. national security at least on an equal level with Israel's and right wingers don't know how to handle that.

                                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                                #25.4 - Fri May 20, 2011 10:29 AM EDT
                                                                                                arslp

                                                                                                What in the world does your post mean? How about you handling a topic?

                                                                                                  #25.5 - Fri May 20, 2011 11:41 PM EDT
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                                                                                                  JAVE

                                                                                                  Maybe Mr. Obama should mind his own business and sit with making Libya a success. This proposal sounds like a non starter. Why should Syria receive such a gift as the Golan Heights back? Nice way to reward bad regimes Mr. President.

                                                                                                  The Muslims have made it clear they don't consider the 1940's borders legitamate. The Muslim world has never considered the pre 1967 borders legit, that's why they invaded Israel in 1973. Why would the Muslims go back on everything they have demanded in the past for Obama's scheme?

                                                                                                  • 5 votes
                                                                                                  Reply#26 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:05 PM EDT
                                                                                                  Islam is Peaceful

                                                                                                  Because Obama's word is divine.

                                                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                                                  #26.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
                                                                                                  RAY FRIEDMAN

                                                                                                  The key issues for a true peace is to be found inthe fundamental core beliefs, only a change there can assure longevity of co existence. This my friend may take afew generations , but the teachings must start now, then amends and forgiveness.On this foundation any agreement can be better assured of implementation and enable properity to all.

                                                                                                    #26.2 - Fri May 20, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
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                                                                                                    selfemployed-1951031

                                                                                                    We are all doomed at the hands and mouth of this president.

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                                                                                                    Reply#27 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
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