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New rules target racy Vietnamese cafes in Calif

Fri Jul 1, 2011 4:13 AM EDT
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Amy Taxin, Associated Press
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<p>In a May 19, 2009 photo, Cafe Lu waitress CeCe Nguyen fills up glasses with tea. Police are gearing up to enforce a host of new rules to crack down on illegal gambling and nudity at Vietnamese coffeehouses in Garden Grove, Calif.  (AP Photo/Orange County Register, Leonard Ortiz)    MAGS OUT; </p>

In a May 19, 2009 photo, Cafe Lu waitress CeCe Nguyen fills up glasses with tea. Police are gearing up to enforce a host of new rules to crack down on illegal gambling and nudity at Vietnamese coffeehouses in Garden Grove, Calif. (AP Photo/Orange County Register, Leonard Ortiz) MAGS OUT;

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GARDEN GROVE — At Cafe Miss Cutie, the windows are tinted but not pitch black. The waitresses are wearing negligees but not naked. And patrons are being urged to smoke outside.

The dimly lit coffeehouse in the heart of Orange County's Little Saigon hopes to get a passing grade when police start enforcing a host of new rules to crack down on illegal gambling and nudity at some cafes starting as soon as this weekend.

Officers plan to make rounds of the 37 Vietnamese cafes in the suburban city of Garden Grove to ensure they don't have arcade games that have been rigged to let patrons bet on blackjack and roulette, and that scantily clad waitresses leave something to the imagination.

The crackdown comes after authorities reported crime was on the rise outside coffeehouses.

"When you're running illegal gaming and further complicating the issue by having a quasi-strip bar ... you're attracting a different crowd than guys just going in there to have a cup of coffee," Garden Grove police spokesman Lt. Jeff Nightengale said.

Orange County is home to the biggest Vietnamese immigrant community in the country, with sizable enclaves in Garden Grove and surrounding cities.

Tucked into strip malls featuring McDonald's and Subway restaurants, the coffeehouses cater to men toting laptops to take advantage of free wireless access, who are meeting business partners or who are getting together with friends to play cards, watch sports and flirt with waitresses who pour iced drinks.

Business has fallen at many of the cafes since police started the crackdown — above all on the arcade games that lured customers off their couches and got them to linger longer at the coffeehouses.

"They say if it's just to drink coffee, then I'll stay home and drink coffee," said Thuy Do, owner of Cafe Chichi in Garden Grove.

On a recent weekday afternoon, a dozen loyal patrons converged at Cafe Miss Cutie to play Chinese chess, watch European soccer on flat screen TVs and sip iced coffee served by a waitress in a see-through lavender negligee.

One of them was Mike Nguyen, a 53-year-old day trader who said he doesn't mind the thick stench of cigarette smoke and wishes authorities would ease up on the coffeehouse that has become his virtual office and escape from the cookie-cutter Southern California suburb where he lives.

"It's a stimulating environment," said Nguyen, of nearby Irvine. "Starbucks is boring."

But authorities in Garden Grove — a city of 170,000 people about 30 miles southeast of Los Angeles — said cafes have gotten out of control. What began more than a decade ago with waitresses in skimpy outfits morphed into nudity. Some coffeehouses had six or eight arcade games running, and crime was on the rise, Nightengale said.

Between January 2010 and May 2011, police received reports of three robberies, four assaults with a deadly weapon, and seven drug-related incidents at coffeehouses — a far cry from the tranquility at the city's more traditional cafes, Nightengale said.

In March, authorities arrested 23 people at coffeehouses in Garden Grove and Westminster for investigation of illegal gaming and seized more than 180 machines and more than $145,000 in cash, Garden Grove police said.

The Garden Grove City Council recently passed new rules to ban arcade games, darkly tinted windows and nudity at cafes. Coffeehouses will be fined $1,000 for each violation.

At Cafe Miss Cutie, sales have been halved since police began making rounds several months ago, manager Tuyen Tran said.

"We just serve coffee, wear bikinis, like Hooters," Tran said. "I don't know how long we can survive like this — with no money and losing customers."

Do, whose small cafe is brightly lit, said she relies on loyal, older patrons to stay afloat. But with the new restrictions, she fears her customers may venture over to coffeehouses in nearby cities where there are fewer limits.

"Now it is a little boring to just come and drink coffee and read the paper," she said.

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littleboyblue

California allows smoking but not boobs!? Sheesh.

    Reply#1 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 8:25 AM EDT
    Newbigtech

    Hey that is discrimination.... These aliens are just bringing there heritage from home..

    You can't take that away from them. In Vietnam they have all this and more... We don't clost the taco stand until the Mexican illegal is caught running a red light.

    So why discriminate against the Vietnamese that want to have their culture celabrated here.

    It's Progressive..... It's natural..... We should have a 3rd ,4th and 5th option when we call into places also... one for Cantanese, One for German, and one for Asian dialects..

    • 2 votes
    #1.1 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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    Marshall James

    more do gooders wanting to force compliance.

    if there wasnt laws against gambling and prostitution then these type of places wouldnt attract the "bad" element.

    done.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 8:29 AM EDT
    JEFFINVA

    Seems they have a little talent at that coffeeshop.

    Also show me the "honest" straight guy that wouldn't want some gambling and boobs w/ your morning coffee.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 8:37 AM EDT
    Marshall James

    "Id buy that for a dollar!!"

      #3.1 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 8:48 AM EDT
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      SouthernBelle56

      I personally don't go out for coffee or a meal to see either sexes body parts but is this really any different than the other coffee places or restaurants that are famous for how the servers dress? To say that they are encouraging criminal activity is painting them all with the same broad brush. Those that encourage or overlook criminal behavior in their establishment should be held accountable but don't hold all business owners responsible for the actions of a few!

        Reply#4 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 8:48 AM EDT
        JEFFINVA

        You can tell from the first part of your comment that you are a woman. But I agree w/ what you said.

          #4.1 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 8:51 AM EDT
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          Ian-2690048

          That's awful!

          I think they should publish the exact address of Cafe Lu... so I know to avoid it.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#5 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 8:55 AM EDT
          Baron von Steuben

          California bringing out the ban-hammer again. I just don't get it, those people must HATE freedom.

          • 1 vote
          #6 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 9:15 AM EDT
          Marshall James

          they are liberal

          what do you expect.....its for the good of the whole.

          • 3 votes
          #6.1 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 9:17 AM EDT
          Fred Evil

          They don't hate freedom, but they obviously hate the crime these establishments seem to bring with them.

          I don't know why hating crime is apparently only a liberal view to some.

            #6.2 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 9:23 AM EDT
            Baron von Steuben

            Nice spin chief. The problem is that these places only cause crime because California has already made everything else a crime.

            The Garden Grove City Council recently passed new rules to ban arcade games, darkly tinted windows and nudity at cafes

            So no games, tints, or nudity. How does this do anything but limit freedom? I'm not convinced.

            • 3 votes
            #6.3 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 9:37 AM EDT
            islandgirl-382087

            Where I live there are virtually little or no restrictions on this. I'm going to quit my day job.

              #6.4 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 9:41 AM EDT
              ChrisRonk

              The arcade games they are referring to are for gambling and strip clubs need special zoning permits.

              • 1 vote
              #6.5 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 10:04 AM EDT
              Baron von Steuben

              I understand that, and I may even have given them a pas on this one if I hadn't just seen plastic grocery bags, styrofoam containers, and happy meal toys banned. I really just don't understand California.

              I enjoy being able to do things, things that often involve stuff. How long before California outlaws that too?

              • 1 vote
              #6.6 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 10:08 AM EDT
              ChrisRonk

              Plastic grocery bags and Styrofoam cups are ruining our environment. There are alternatives than have much less impact on our environment. In so far as the Happy Meal toys are concerned; child obesity is a real problem that will have a tremendous impact on our country. A solution needs to be found. Whether not allowing toys in Happy Meals it the best approach, remains to be seen.

              I for one agree with these laws, as do a lot of Californians... or at least the ones who care about the well being of our society.

              • 1 vote
              #6.7 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 10:17 AM EDT
              Baron von Steuben

              So you think the best solution is to have the government ban everything that may be bad to save us from ourselves? Are you incapable of doing the right thing without being forced to do so? If you don't like plastic bags, don't use them. There is no reason to infringe upon the rights of business and individuals to use them. As far as happy meals go, if your child is a little fatass it's your fault. Those toys aren't forcing you to buy your kid that happy meal.

              • 2 votes
              #6.8 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 10:21 AM EDT
              Marshall James

              BVS

              anther new law in california is that kids under 18 cannot use tanning beds....now I can understand this law...however in light of everything else california bans....I cant support it.

              • 2 votes
              #6.9 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 10:26 AM EDT
              Baron von Steuben

              It's difficult to tell when the bans are deserved because they ban everything out there.

              • 1 vote
              #6.10 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 10:28 AM EDT
              ChrisRonk

              So you think the best solution is to have the government ban everything that may be bad to save us from ourselves? Are you incapable of doing the right thing without being forced to do so? If you don't like plastic bags, don't use them. There is no reason to infringe upon the rights of business and individuals to use them. As far as happy meals go, if your child is a little fatass it's your fault. Those toys aren't forcing you to buy your kid that happy meal.

              I am perfectly capable of doing the right thing. The problem is that those fat kids and their parents are obviously incapable of doing the right thing.

              The issue is that it is someone else's plastic bags that are ruining MY environment. I do have a right as a voter to try and keep people from using them. That fat kid you referred to is making MY insurance premiums go up, and when that fat kid grows into a fat adult, he will be riddled with health problems that we ALL have to pay for.

              Taking heroin is a personal choice too. Should that be legal?

              Anti smoking laws in California have lengthened countless thousands of lives and saved billions of dollars in healthcare... not to mention made going out to eat a more pleasurable experience. Should we do away with those too? What about seat-belt and helmet laws?

              I understand personal responsibility, but when my actions affect others it is no longer personal.

              • 1 vote
              #6.11 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 1:03 PM EDT
              Baron von Steuben

              I am perfectly capable of doing the right thing. The problem is that those fat kids and their parents are obviously incapable of doing the right thing.

              So you force them to.

              The issue is that it is someone else's plastic bags that are ruining MY environment. I do have a right as a voter to try and keep people from using them. That fat kid you referred to is making MY insurance premiums go up, and when that fat kid grows into a fat adult, he will be riddled with health problems that we ALL have to pay for.

              You also have a right as a consumer to try and keep people from using them. Use reusable bags, encourage others to use reusable bags, organize cleanups. Why do you have to force your ideals on others through law? The fat kid's health should not have such an effect on you, it is an unfortunate reality, but that still should not give you the right to dictate what he may or may not eat.

              Taking heroin is a personal choice too. Should that be legal?

              It should. However damaging others property or person while on heroin should not.

              Anti smoking laws in California have lengthened countless thousands of lives and saved billions of dollars in healthcare... not to mention made going out to eat a more pleasurable experience. Should we do away with those too? What about seat-belt and helmet laws?

              I say yes, we should do away with these. If you don't want to go where people smoke, choose another place to go. There will still be non-smoking establishments. Seat-belts and helmets, I say if you don't wear it it's on you.

              I understand personal responsibility, but when my actions affect others it is no longer personal.

              I agree, but I disagree with these laws. I think that it is the government enforcing its will on the people and reducing their freedom with no true benefit or necessity.

              • 1 vote
              #6.12 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 1:17 PM EDT
              Marshall James

              BVS

              your common sense is going to fall on deaf ears I think.

              aggression runs in the american psyche pretty deep.

              • 1 vote
              #6.13 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 3:57 PM EDT
              Shosyn

              "I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
              — Thomas Jefferson

              "Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
              — Thomas Jefferson

              "Coffee - the favorite drink of the civilized world."
              — Thomas Jefferson

              As your freedoms erode the tyranny will increase.

              • 2 votes
              #6.14 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 5:12 PM EDT
              Baron von Steuben

              Well spoken Shosyn. I'm not sure about the coffee one though :)

                #6.15 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 5:16 PM EDT
                ChrisRonk

                Spoken like a true teabagger.

                This is a local community that voted to have these restrictions placed on local businesses. Thomas Jefferson would be proud.

                  #6.16 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 11:41 PM EDT
                  Marshall James

                  chris

                  he would be happy with the process...not that people were using aggression to hinder freedom.

                  • 2 votes
                  #6.17 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 11:44 PM EDT
                  Baron von Steuben

                  I should hope he would Chris. I can think of no one more worthy.

                  • 2 votes
                  #6.18 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 11:47 PM EDT
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                  ChrisRonk

                  I was taken to one of these several years ago. It was at a storefront in a strip mall in Orange County. It looked more like a disco than a coffee shop with its mirrors and colored lighting. And yes, I was served by an Asian girl wearing very little clothing.

                  I was not offended in the least. It was much more surreal than offensive.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#7 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 9:59 AM EDT
                  Marshall James

                  chris

                  and doing things by force of government for the "well being of society" is a scary damn thing.

                  when its accepted that violation of rights for the greater good is ok..then eugenics will come back...and god knows what else.

                  forcing morality upon people is not freedom...and its wrong....especially if they say its for your own good.

                  • 1 vote
                  #7.1 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 10:29 AM EDT
                  ChrisRonk

                  forcing morality upon people is not freedom...and its wrong....especially if they say its for your own good.

                  You are right about this. So long as it's not hurting anyone. So I take it you have no problem with gay marriage then?

                    #7.2 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 4:59 PM EDT
                    Baron von Steuben

                    None.

                      #7.3 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 5:03 PM EDT
                      Marshall James

                      none but I do have a problem with people stealing from me for their own morality.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.4 - Fri Jul 1, 2011 6:18 PM EDT
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