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Obama: Uncertainty over debt limit impacts hiring

Fri Jul 8, 2011 11:17 AM EDT
business, politics, us, obama, barack-obama, economy
Julie Pace, Associated Press
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<p>El presidente Barack Obama sale de su oficina para dar un discurso en Rosedal de la Casa Blanca en Washington el viernes 8 de julio de 2011. Después de un reporte desalentador sobre el desempleo, Obama exhortó al Congreso a poner fin a la incertidumbre en torno al limite de la deuda y aprobar una serie de propuestas promovidas por su gobierno, incluidas una extensión de la reducción de impuestos sobre la nómina y tres acuerdos de libre comercio. (Foto AP/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)</p>

El presidente Barack Obama sale de su oficina para dar un discurso en Rosedal de la Casa Blanca en Washington el viernes 8 de julio de 2011. Después de un reporte desalentador sobre el desempleo, Obama exhortó al Congreso a poner fin a la incertidumbre en torno al limite de la deuda y aprobar una serie de propuestas promovidas por su gobierno, incluidas una extensión de la reducción de impuestos sobre la nómina y tres acuerdos de libre comercio. (Foto AP/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

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WASHINGTON — Facing a dismal jobs report, President Barack Obama called on Congress Friday to end uncertainty over their debt standoff and pass a litany of administration-backed proposals, including a payroll tax cut extension and three free trade agreements. Obama's top economist said implementing those policies would reduce the jobless rate a full point by the time Obama faces re-election in the fall of 2012.

But Republican opposition and Washington's heated partisan atmosphere would likely make passing the full slate of administration proposals a political pipe dream.

Obama spoke from the Rose Garden shortly after the release of fresh figures that showed employers added just 18,000 jobs in June, the fewest in nine months, and the unemployment rate rose to 9.2 percent. The president said the numbers were yet another sign that a full economic recovery is still elusive.

"Our economy as a whole just isn't producing nearly enough jobs for everybody who is looking," Obama said.

The jobs report comes against the backdrop of negotiations on cutting government spending and increasing the nation's borrowing limit in order to prevent the U.S. from defaulting on its debt. Obama said the new jobs report adds fresh urgency to the talks, saying an agreement would end uncertainty that is keeping businesses from hiring.

"The American people sent us here to do the right thing, not for party, but for country. So we're going to work together to get things done on their behalf," he said. "That's the least that they should expect of us, not the most that they should expect of us."

White House economist Austan Goolsbee said internal administration forecasts show that the unemployment rate could drop by a point by the November 2012 elections if lawmakers take several steps, including extending the payroll tax cut, passing trade deals with South Korea, Colombia and Panama, and creating an infrastructure bank. In an interview with CNBC on Friday, Goolsbee said passing those proposals would bring the unemployment rate to 8.2 percent by the fourth quarter of 2012.

The White House has had to backtrack on its unemployment predictions before. Obama economists predicted the jobless rate would stay below 8 percent if lawmakers passed Obama's massive stimulus plan in 2009. Congress obliged, but the unemployment rate soared.

Republicans used Friday's jobs report as an opportunity to slam Obama's economic agenda.

"President Obama is out of answers and running out of time," said former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, a presidential candidate.

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More Than Happy

If the GOP worked with the rest of the country, instead of focusing on its own political ambitions, we might actually get things done in Washington and improve the job market. Any economic recovery that's going to happen is going to involve spending a few bucks!

  • 9 votes
#1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 11:36 AM EDT
Snowbird Know it allDeleted
More Than Happy

No avail? The sheer terror in the markets has been replaced by cautious optimism.

You've got to spend money to make money, snowbird. You've got to get outside more!

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 12:22 PM EDT
Snowbird Know it allDeleted
More Than Happy

That's so good for you snowbird, but someone's got to spend some money to get things going again so others can earn it, and sometimes the government has to take up that role because private investors are scared; the billions of dollars in stimulus and such.

Oh, and who's gonna beat Obama in 2012? Romney's compromised, Bachmann's insane, Gingrich is a dinosaur, Palin's a flake, and Pawlenty is a stiff. Who else ya got?

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 12:53 PM EDT
MartyMoose

Did he really just play the "uncertainty" card?

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:29 PM EDT
PfunkNation

snowbird, part of the generation that the rest of us get to pay for! THANKS!

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:36 PM EDT
California Militia

Obama's top economist said implementing those policies would reduce the jobless rate a full point by the time Obama faces re-election in the fall of 2012.

because the concern isnt really OUR unemployment, its HIS reelection.

and lets not one side this on Obama, its the entire lot of them. Republicans and democrats alike.

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:48 PM EDT
Dennis Chosen

Obama also said that passing his non-stimulating stimulus would prevent unemployment from reaching 8%... It is now at 9.2%. When is everyone going to realize this man does not have a clue on how to improve the economy.

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:03 PM EDT
Kc77

In the last 2 1/2 years, we've spent 1.5 trillion dollars to no avail. All we have is more unemployed and more debt.

And we spent 5 trillion during Bush's tenure. But I'm sure you were just as concerned then as you are now, right? He said that all of the tax cuts would create wonderful economic conditions, yet what did we get for that 5 trillion in lost revenue? The crashing of the entire banking system. So I mean if we really want to talk about spending lets do it, but dont' pretend that you found religion only when the President has a D after his name. It makes us think you have amnesia or something.

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:05 PM EDT
Dennis Chosen

A great quote...

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America ’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA, MARCH 2006

By Obama's own recommendation, Obama needs to go. Vote him out in 2012.

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:11 PM EDT
Marshall James

obama shows he has no intelligence and no clue as to what is going on.

Ron Paul predicted this because he understand what we are doing and how it is detrimental to an economy.

use common sense people......do not listen to people who dont know what is going on!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 6 votes
#1.11 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:12 PM EDT
Snowbird Know it allDeleted
Another Colonel

It is a little more about "uncertainty by those who do the hiring" on how much all this leftist crap is going to cost them.

  • 3 votes
#1.13 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:18 PM EDT
Kc77

A great quote...

SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA, MARCH 2006

By Obama's own recommendation, Obama needs to go. Vote him out in 2012.

Context...of the historical variety means everything....tell me where we in a recession in 2006?

  • 3 votes
#1.14 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:29 PM EDT
Dennis Chosen

Context...of the historical variety means everything....tell me where we in a recession in 2006?

So, your allusion is that a recession requires raising the debt? Or, if you are broke you have to spend your way out of debt? Not sure what you mean.

  • 2 votes
#1.15 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:50 PM EDT
Marshall James

this is who we should listen to if we want economic prosperity and want to fix our economy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04B3Wl2qouw

  • 2 votes
#1.16 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 4:11 PM EDT
More Than Happy

So, your allusion is that a recession requires raising the debt?

Countering a recession involves spending money, in getting the giant money currents of this country flowing again. If that means some additional debt, so be it, because we're never going to address the real debt problem (which goes way beyond stimulus) unless we get people working and earning again!

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 4:49 PM EDT
Marshall James

more than happy

rigggghhhhttttt...lmao

and that solution is from people who had no @!$%#ing clue the recession was coming.

lmao

yep way to listen to those who have no idea what is going on. try listening to the speech I linked above.

that is who you should be listening too.

  • 1 vote
#1.18 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 5:17 PM EDT
More Than Happy

james, if you're going to get any converts to the church of St. Ron Paul, you could at least use good syntax while you're acting like a snob. He predicts doom with EVERYTHING.

Money has to be spent so others can earn it in their paychecks, just like a tax cut. Recessions are caused when EVERYONE stops spending money at the same time!

  • 1 vote
#1.19 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 5:32 PM EDT
Marshall James

when you are doing everything wrong...its easy to predict yes.

and he has been proven right over and over.

during the height of the housing boom...he predicted bust.. and was right on the year.

did anyone else???

our policies are flawed.

to get out of debt...you dont make more debt...it hasnt worked in the past...it wont work again...how many times do we have to raise the debt ceiling for people to figure this one out???

  • 2 votes
#1.20 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 5:36 PM EDT
follow the money

James Ive got someone better,

ever heard of the name, "Brooksley Borne"? For those of you who didnt see it coming, here it is:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/

"The Warning" loud and clear, and the bush administration didnt want her around too, because she had some very good, articulate questions. A very smart WOMAN.. See it for yourself.

  • 1 vote
#1.21 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 5:40 PM EDT
Marshall James

ever read

the creature from jekyll island???

enough said.

  • 2 votes
#1.22 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 6:27 PM EDT
follow the money

better yet...the famous republican filibuster that KILLS JOBS:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/say-what-republicans-filibuster-tax-cutting-jobs-bill.php

ta-dah,

thank you republicans!

  • 1 vote
#1.23 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 7:42 PM EDT
determined0a1

Speaker Nancy Pelosi at the health summit: "It's about jobs. In it's life, it [the health bill] will create 4 million jobs -- 400,000 jobs almost immediately."

Our politicians can't even do the Arithmetic calculations by themselves.

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 7:49 PM EDT
Kc77

So, your allusion is that a recession requires raising the debt? Or, if you are broke you have to spend your way out of debt? Not sure what you mean.

Follow me here. If you have a recession less people are working. Therefore you will have less revenue and less money working within the economy. Correct? The fewer people we have working the less revenue the government takes in. Correct? At that point unless there's a huge savings they will be running a deficit. Correct? If the government starts firing people and cuts back spending even more to compensate. That's less money within the system because you've got less people working and so on and so on.

At some point in order to at least allow the economy to settle you need to deficit spend (you'll be running deficits anyway) in order to inject capital into the system hopefully by creating jobs. If you create jobs, more people work. If more people work. Then the government takes in more revenue. The problem here is you don't reduce government spending in the middle of a recession. You reduce spending when you don't need it. That would be when the economy is healthy when you can afford to make reductions in expenditures. In 2006 we weren't in a recession, and that's the perfect time to cut spending, not when you are in one.

  • 2 votes
#1.25 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 8:14 PM EDT
Flashypaws

lol at marty moose.

"the uncertainty card" :D

i thought i was the only one that broke that code.

republicans wont cooperate until "uncertainty" is replaced with "confidence".

if "uncertainty" is succesful this time, there could be another "uncertainty" elected just as easily.

LOL republicans are so stupid.

  • 1 vote
#1.26 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 8:36 PM EDT
Marshall James

follow the money

if you were to live up to your name...then you would know it is the system of the fed that is the culprit....a cartel that took control to keep rich and prevent competition.

somehow you democrats cant just figure that out. its BOTH PARTIES.

  • 1 vote
#1.27 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 11:09 PM EDT
Kc77

somehow you democrats cant just figure that out. its BOTH PARTIES.

Oh we know. We're the ones that voted for Nader instead of Gore remember? Who did you guys ever vote for outside of your party? You could say Perot I guess, but he would be considered a liberal now a days.

  • 1 vote
#1.28 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 12:40 AM EDT
Marshall James

considering perot preached the status quo of increasing the size of government....ummmm yea.

you democrats just dont get it.

you do not give them more power over you...why would you want to give them that?

and remember...we have Ron Paul...who by the way voted for Nader in 08.

peace.

  • 1 vote
#1.29 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 3:05 AM EDT
Kc77

you do not give them more power over you...why would you want to give them that?

and you believe voting conservative frees you?!?! LMAO now that's a hoot. Isn't that the group who tells you who to marry, what to do with your uterus, and what hole you should put it in? If that's freedom, being oppressed must be a hell that I can't fathom.

and remember...we have Ron Paul...who by the way voted for Nader in 08.

Yup, but if you look at his voting record carefully you'll slowly see that he has voted for the same fascist bills that some of the others within the republican party have....like voting for oil subsidies (and please don't give me that "they aren't subsidies" or "that's raising taxes" baloney).

  • 1 vote
#1.30 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 10:30 AM EDT
Marshall James

kc

agree with your comment on conservatives...nope they are the same as democrats.

but disagree with you on Ron Paul

if you look at him from biased glasses and a lack of education you would see it that way.

but he will never vote to increase the size or income of federal government...he has stated that over and over again. and they are not subsidies...but can agree with you with other things that democrats and republicans do for corporations that it seems like it...but in all reality it is just another way for us to be charged more...and keep the rich rich.

and what is really funny....of all the candidates in the last two elections...his contributions are mainly from average people....obama, romney, mccain, clinton...all get the corporations and wall street behind him

take a guess why???

the fearmongers state that libertarians and lack of regulations will just make corporations rich beyond belief and hurt the poor......funny then that corporations never want that in government...huh

I will tell you why...they do not want competition....regulations take out competition.....always have...so they make monopolies and isolate the super rich......a corporation doesnt want a government that will leave them alone...they want a government they can use.

that is why corporations put their money behind people like mccain, obama, romney, clinton...they are their puppets.

Ron Paul is no puppet...and agree with him or not on his philosophy...he is an honest man who give part of his salary back every year...and is not on the take and cannot be bought.

he is what our country needs....end the wars, end the fed, take care of our home.

peace.

  • 2 votes
#1.31 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 11:35 AM EDT
Kc77

if you look at him from biased glasses and a lack of education you would see it that way.

Nope. Sorry you can't piss on me and tell me it's rain.

but he will never vote to increase the size or income of federal government.

Voting for oil subsidies does exactly that. That's creating an additional expenditure and increasing the size of government. The same as any other program the government were to create. Making excuses for this really makes it seem someone else is looking at it from biased glasses. He voted for it, because the Repubs wanted him to, and he most likely got considerable lobbying money for this vote. Trying to redefine it as something else is just sad.

and they are not subsidies...

Yeah they are and no I'm getting into this argument because I don't feel like you or anyone else posting video from Paul himself trying to redefine what a subsidy is moments after he casted that vote.

but can agree with you with other things that democrats and republicans do for corporations that it seems like it...but in all reality it is just another way for us to be charged more...and keep the rich rich.

I agree.

the fearmongers state that libertarians and lack of regulations will just make corporations rich beyond belief and hurt the poor......funny then that corporations never want that in government...huh

Please clarify this statement for me please. Personally I don't mind sensible regulation. I like clean water and breathable air.

he is what our country needs....end the wars, end the fed, take care of our home.

That's fine if you believe that. Personally he's not my cup of tea. I like the Civil Rights Act. I like the EPA....there's something about clean water, women's right to vote, etc that I like quite a bit.

  • 1 vote
#1.32 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 12:40 PM EDT
Marshall James

what I am saying is this.

people say that corporations under a libertarian philosophy would flourish..that the little guy would get @!$%# on....right??

libertarians say no it wouldnt happen that way as the free market would establish balance through competition and that prices would decrease as they always do with competition actually decreasing the profits made by corporations and making them more accountable to the people.

lets look now at where the corporations put there money......do they give it to ron paul?? no...the majority of his contributions come from average citizens......

corporations give their money to democrats and republicans.......

corporations do not want a government that leaves them alone...they want a government they can use.

you cannot use a libertarian...there is no corruption...there is no special priveledges.

corporations do not want freedom because then they are accountable...no more corporate welfare...like the dems and repubs like...no more subsidies....like the dems and repubs like...no more given monopolies..like the dems and repubs like...

there would be competition....and therefore less profit for corporations and more for the consumer...ie average american.

the powerful elite use PR and fearmongering to keep people like yourself from wanting that.

think about it man.....THINK

I know you have been told how it is for your entire life...the liberal way.....but its not that way...its propaganda.

why is it that BOTH parties unite to keep a third party that is for the little guy out of it???

THINK

its a marriage of corporations and government....and only libertarians are the ones who want to break it...that is why corporations and the media are against them...

THINK

  • 1 vote
#1.33 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 12:55 PM EDT
Kc77

people say that corporations under a libertarian philosophy would flourish..that the little guy would get @!$%# on....right??

Yup. That's absolutely correct.

libertarians say no it wouldnt happen that way as the free market would establish balance through competition and that prices would decrease as they always do with competition actually decreasing the profits made by corporations and making them more accountable to the people.

Maybe at a micro level, meaning mom and pop stores, but this doesn't apply to global companies. Your purchasing power is too diluted.

you cannot use a libertarian...there is no corruption...there is no special priveledges......

Except for a certain person voting for oil subsidies. OK but i'll let you go with this...

there would be competition....and therefore less profit for corporations and more for the consumer...ie average american.

the powerful elite use PR and fearmongering to keep people like yourself from wanting that.

think about it man.....THINK

Please ok you've got it backward. You have an understanding of the corruption but the way you want to solve it is the reverse of what we need. Corporations want less government not more. Lobbyists are there to largely prevent legislation. That's why I can't vote for Paul because this whole thing about less regulation = freedom is BS when it concerns the power of corporations within our society. You're asking me to think but it doesn't look like you remember our own history.

Before child labor laws we had child slavery. Literally children working in mines, etc. Regulation is what prevents this from happening. Correct? If it were left up to corporations every child would be a potential worker. It wouldn't matter if you didn't buy their goods because economies are global now... even if your entire county/town didn't buy their stuff that's not going to make a hill of beans worth of difference.

Well at least you see the corruption. However, what Paul's proposing has been done before, it's not new. Just go back to the 20's and 30's and take a look at what the middle class looked like then when there was very little regulation limiting what corporations could or could not do. What Paul is proposing isn't new in any way shape or form. He is what I would call the anti-progressive. The really BS belief that if we turned back the hands of time we'll reach some sort of utopia that never existed in the first place. His ilk really remind me of a group of people that didn't get to take part in the hippie movement in the 60's.

    #1.34 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 1:50 PM EDT
    Marshall James

    for goodnesss sakes had long response and it just erased.

    corporations support who is going to make them the most money...period

    they do not support libertarians becuase that system of free market does not...democrats and republicans support a system of corruption and corporatism so they support them

    the 20's and 30's was a direct result of government interfering in the market causing bubbles and a crash.

    they propped up the robber barons and gave them a monopoly in the federal reserve system..

    to protect them from competition.

    competition they say is bad...and you fall for it.

    that is all regulations are......preventing competition.

    keeping the rich rich

    think man think

    • 1 vote
    #1.35 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 1:57 PM EDT
    Kc77

    the 20's and 30's was a direct result of government interfering in the market causing bubbles and a crash.

    Um no. It's precisely the opposite.

    that is all regulations are......preventing competition.

    So child labor existed because there was too much regulation?

      #1.36 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 2:31 PM EDT
      Marshall James

      for one history would prove me right on the 20's and 30's....sorry you are just preaching what the elite who control us want you to think.

      in regards to child labor laws.....first off...new zealand has no minimum age for work and children are not forced to work...so that argument is weak at best.

      second it was our transition into an industrial age....historically people had children so they could WORK on the farm....life wasnt easy...for anyone....so children working was not thought of as taboo......then lets think about this.....if it came down to your children working or starving..what would you do???

      then....lets go from that and with working children learn basic skills..skills that would help them in the future make something of themselves....one of the reasons our country became so great...its work ethic.

      thirdly it kept kids off the street...this coupled with minimum wage laws..which really hurt minorities has kept kids out of work...therefore on the streets...and with that crime with teenagers has increased..therefore we imprison them.

      what is more humane?? imprisonment or working???

      no one is forced to do anything in this world...and as each day that passes goes by libertarianism becomes more and more relevent....with the internet...diversity that we have...information flows...word of mouth gets out.

      you dont need child labor laws....children should not be PROHIBITED from working.

      • 1 vote
      #1.37 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 3:11 PM EDT
      Kc77

      for one history would prove me right on the 20's and 30's....sorry you are just preaching what the elite who control us want you to think.

      Feel free to link the over-regulation legislation during that time.

      in regards to child labor laws.....first off...new zealand has no minimum age for work and children are not forced to work...so that argument is weak at best.

      So your answer is New Zealand? That's all you've got? A British Territory with 4 million people in it? I swear Libertarians love comparing us the countries that don't have half of what we have as some sort of legitimate reason to believe in absurdity. My question was about the United States, not New Zealand. I'll repeat it...."

      So child labor existed because there was too much regulation?"

      Although I'll work through some of the rest of what you've got because it's typical Ron Paul Crazy..

      what is more humane?? imprisonment or working???

      you dont need child labor laws....children should not be PROHIBITED from working.

      Basically you're advocating slavery while trying to convince me it's not as bad as it seems. There have always been exemptions for farm labor and the only thing you can't do is have a child work during the hours when they should be in school and home schooling can even get around that. Are you trying to tell me that you would prefer them to work than get an education?!?! Those two entries from you are exactly why I can't vote for Ron Paul and neither should anyone else. They know no boundaries and are about extreme as you can get.

      At this point you're promoting slave labor on behalf of corporations. The same thing you said earlier you didn't like. Remember when you said this...

      people say that corporations under a libertarian philosophy would flourish..that the little guy would get @!$%# on....

      Under Ron Paul's beliefs they obviously would as we can see from your own promotion of child slavery in order for big business to make a profit.

        #1.38 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 3:34 PM EDT
        Marshall James

        yet you fail to even see who the corporations support and who they do not.

        the do not support him...yet they do support republicans and democrats.

        you are unable to see basic common sense.

        WHO ARE THE CORPORATIONS SUPPORTING!!!!!!!!!!!?????????? DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS

        WHO ARE THEY NOT SUPPORTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????? LIBERTARIANS

        how is this not getting through to your head??? there is a reason for this...and its not because corporations dont want to make money

        THINK MAN THINK.

        • 1 vote
        #1.39 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 5:24 PM EDT
        Kc77

        yet you fail to even see who the corporations support and who they do not.

        Nope I see quite clearly. Corporations have most of Congress bought off.

        the do not support him...yet they do support republicans and democrats.

        LOL oh they support him. Just ask Exxon.

        you are unable to see basic common sense.

        You still havent' been able to answer my questions earlier. Who really is lacking the common sense here.

        WHO ARE THEY NOT SUPPORTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????? LIBERTARIANS

        Except Exxon.

        how is this not getting through to your head??? there is a reason for this...and its not because corporations dont want to make money

        You asking me to think isn't really doing anything. I'm obviously in thought if I'm responding to you. Second, businesses LOVE deregulation. Banks love it. Broadband providers love it. Guess who also loves deregulation... Libertarians. You said it yourself. They really don't need to be bought off they like it already.

          #1.40 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 6:37 PM EDT
          follow the money

          "Critics Still Wrong On What's Driving Deficits in Coming Years"

          see here:http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3036

            #1.41 - Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:01 AM EDT
            follow the money

            another one for james:

            Federal Bailout Recipients Are Shelling Out The Cash For Republicans:

            tax payer money

            here:http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/federal-bailout-recipients-are-shelli

            "donations".

              #1.42 - Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:58 PM EDT
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              Pacific Northwest Blogger

              I call bullpucky on this article title and theme.

              We've heard for years now that corporations and investors are uncertain. That's not the actual truth.

              The truth is they want regulations and policy they wrote by their lobbies, that guarantees they make money. They won't invest because of market fluctuations (restated in their mindset, they won't invest unless they have their insiders doing oversight, writing the legislation).

              These corporations lost their souls, don't know how operate in a truly free market, only the rigged one they create. It's just another symptom of "too big to fail" and another reason for antitrust breaking them into tiny little pieces.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#2 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 11:59 AM EDT
              dcstone01

              Exactly, they are sitting on piles of money and they won't invest it here unless they get their way which is 'no regulations'...

              I say tax them ALL they are sitting on if it isn't INVESTED here in hiring and expanding within the US....sure give them a 'little break' if they hire US citizens here, otherwise tax everything they have at 50%...

              Without that kind of 'incentive' to invest, they won't...and people will still be unemployed...

              • 2 votes
              #2.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:05 PM EDT
              Pacific Northwest Blogger

              Consider, our founding fathers granted corporate charters allowing business to perform a function. When that function was concluded, they removed the corporate charter.

              Today corporations are "people".

              Not exactly what the founding fathers intended.

              Almost one hundred years later Abraham Lincoln had this to say,

              Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

              • 1 vote
              #2.2 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 7:47 PM EDT
              follow the money

              corporations....big oil was just handed tax subsidies, here:http://thinkprogress.org/progress-report/big-oil-welfare/

              they got exemptions, subsidies...what else.

              so much for shared sacrifice.

                #2.3 - Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:11 PM EDT
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                Snowbird Know it allDeleted
                MalfunktionDeleted
                BostonMan-3128434

                This is the samne Obama who voted against rasing it in 2006 of course - I guess whatever is politically advantageous to him is where he stands

                • 5 votes
                Reply#5 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 12:28 PM EDT
                More Than Happy

                Hey, W. should have been saving money when times were relatively properous, not getting into more debt. We must spend more money now because economic recoveries are not cheap!

                It's not about philosophical principles, it's about the opportune moment.

                • 2 votes
                #5.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 12:32 PM EDT
                BostonMan-3128434

                Political oppurtune moment you mean right? We have spent billions to try and get the economy going and it has not worked right? So just keep throwing more momney is the answer? And worry about paying it off later or let our children and grandchildren worry about the tab ?

                • 7 votes
                #5.2 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 12:44 PM EDT
                More Than Happy

                Actually it has worked, because whatever recovery we've had can largely be attributed to the stimulus. How is anyone supposed to pay off our debt if no one has a job?!?

                • 2 votes
                #5.3 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 12:57 PM EDT
                California Militia

                More than Happy,

                I would guess we would start to pay off that debt by getting a loan for 780 billion.?.

                what recovery has that paid for?

                • 2 votes
                #5.4 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:53 PM EDT
                More Than Happy

                California, this is the problem - the confusion between public debt and economic recovery. They are not the same thing!

                Think back to when the Dow was at 6,000 - 7,000 points, when interest rates were next to zero, when the job market was losing hundreds of thousands of jobs per month... it took a MASSIVE infusion of public capital to halt the death spiral, it took another massive infusion of capital to reverse the process, and it's going to take another one to get it healthy again!

                • 1 vote
                #5.5 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:17 PM EDT
                vol fan in chatt, tn

                LOL, what a bunch of liars we have in DC...

                http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/05/gibbs-obama-only-voted-against-raising-the-debt-ceiling-in-2006-because-he-knew-his-vote-wouldnt-matter/

                http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/02/25/pelosi_health_reform_will_create_400000_jobs_almost_immediately.html

                • 1 vote
                #5.6 - Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:21 AM EDT
                follow the money

                here is someone that wants

                to recoup bonuses at %100 percent,

                and she has a bill to get ALL of the taxpayer's money back.....Marcy Kaptur.

                I like her, she's a fighter:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6mXoXrrRHA

                Go get em, Marcy!

                  #5.7 - Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:05 PM EDT
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                  Snowbird Know it allDeleted
                  AmericanMOM-598098

                  Why does everyone keep wanting work for the corporate machines? If we keep feeding them; they will only become bigger and more powerful. When the white man began to inhabit this country; there were no big corporate jobs waiting to hire them. To hell with corporate boards and CEO's who haven't got a clue how the business actually operates! The people who operate the business need to own it and take part in the decision making. Americans need to get back to the pioneering spirit. I look around and see all these fast food chains with minimum wage workers; there's ALLOT! Why do the "powers that be" continue allowing corporations to abuse the citizens of our country? There should be more regulation protecting not only the small private business, but the American people. I don't want "jobs" for my community; I want opportunity for my community. If the opportunity is there for everyone; the "jobs" will come. The corporations have not and will not hire Americans as long as they can get away with it, and they'll use any excuse. Before, it was because they were afraid Bush's tax cuts wouldn't be extended. So, if the debt ceiling is not raised, does this mean they will cease all financial activity? Does this mean no more products will be available for purchase? Does this mean all that money we used to bail the banks out was for nothing? Why are we giving aid to other countries if we can't pay our own bills and take care of our own people?

                  • 4 votes
                  Reply#7 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:14 PM EDT
                  Gulliver's Island

                  Before, it was because they were afraid Bush's tax cuts wouldn't be extended.

                  I was wondering if anyone was going to point out the eerie similarity between the two excuses. Each day, Obama sounds more and more like a Republican, if not a Tea Partier.

                  How long before the administration claims we need to reduce the deficit in order to grow the economy? How long before the administration claims that public sector spending is crowding out private sector investment?

                  • 3 votes
                  #7.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:36 PM EDT
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                  jtrunner76

                  "Our economy as a whole just isn't producing nearly enough jobs for everybody who is looking," Obama said.

                  WOW!!!!! did the teleprompter come up with that bit of obvious or did he pull it out of his stupid brain?

                  • 4 votes
                  Reply#8 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:29 PM EDT
                  nohandouts

                  lol..he always talks down to people

                  • 2 votes
                  #8.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:46 PM EDT
                  vol fan in chatt, tn

                  "stupid brain"....

                  • 2 votes
                  #8.2 - Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:22 AM EDT
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                  wordupman

                  Given that the unemployment rate has NEVER been brought down to the promised 8%, does this mean the so-called Stimulus Bill(s) haven't worked?...Well maybe overseas but not here in America! And did any of you believe him when he "spoke about shovel ready jobs"? I didn't! It takes quite a bit of planning to get to the stage where a project will be "shovel ready". He started saying this a few days after he took office; not feasible! And someone needs to tell him he needs a new catch phrase other than "get the american economy back on track"...especially since he has not done anything to bring this about!

                  Also, When is the President going to start leading and just cease from the name calling? He has done so much to divide the country, hopefully not irraparably so, and as such he has not been "leading" the country; but rather he has been the panderer to the die-hards of the Dem party! He needs to stop cracking empty jokes and start cracking his whip (lead)!

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#9 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:37 PM EDT
                  coloradoan-1141358

                  Where the hell DID all that stimulus go to?

                  • 2 votes
                  #9.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:48 PM EDT
                  follow the money

                  colorado.....check this congresswoman out, on wall street bailout:

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UM4eum3bs

                  she's great.

                    #9.2 - Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:36 PM EDT
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                    Honor and Harmony

                    This is the way the repub/baggers want things. Bad so they can TRY and win but americans are on to them. 2012 is going to be a real message to the obstructionists and corporatist.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#10 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:45 PM EDT
                    wordupman

                    By "Americans" you mean the small percentage of the voters who like yourself, refuse to pull their heads out of the sand so they can see the light that Obama is not a good leader/president? But rather that he's more catering to those on the far left; like his Chicago cronies, his union financiers and his Wall Street backers? In your mind, that constitutes a majority come 2012??????

                    What makes the difference in most elections are the independent voters. Obama through his divisive politics HAS LOST THOSE FOR GOOD!!!!

                    • 2 votes
                    #10.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
                    Honor and Harmony

                    I'm in a redstate and most of my friends are republicans. THEY Ain't BUYIN' IT! You need to check up on those repub townhalls, they aren't screaming all the rightwing talking points anymore. That's what guys like you don't get. Do your research kid.

                    • 2 votes
                    #10.2 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:26 PM EDT
                    nmbg

                    H & H: In your case, "most of my friends" is a dubious comment at best, but taking that at face value, one can only assume that you must be referring to all of those "friends" you have tied up in the basement.

                    • 3 votes
                    #10.3 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:50 PM EDT
                    Honor and Harmony

                    I speak from my experience. You can say you don't believe me without being a d1ck, you do realize that right????

                    • 2 votes
                    #10.4 - Sat Jul 9, 2011 12:53 AM EDT
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                    skippy777

                    finally....both romney and boehner are calling a spade a spade..thank God they have stopped trying to put a dignified face on a situation where these is no dignity..they seem to be conquering their own flaws such as over-politeness and smiles when there is no reason for smiles.

                    i do not exaggerate when i write that liberals have the hyde of a buffalo, the morals of satan, and the tenacity of a shark....they are more two-faced than dr. jeckyll and mr. hyde.

                    there are many problems with the current economy....at the center of this financial mess is pres. obama...he remains disengaged and haughty and self involved....many americans wonder if he even has a clue....problems are handed off to harvard economics' professors to fix or to congress or to presidents of major corporations who do not and cannot fix the problem....the economics professors have all returned to their teaching jobs and the democrats remain entrenched in their spending habits and the businessmen have their own businesses to run.

                    any private industry executive who put their company into such debt would be fired... the stockholders, the consumers, and the board of directors wouldn't tolerate this for more than one quarter. essentially, the american people are the stockholders, the consumers, and the board of directors of the american government.....we all know that the democrats in washington turn a deaf ear to america's citizens the same way they ignored 'we,the people' with decisions on obamacare and the excesses of the EPA.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#11 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:54 PM EDT
                    demo scout

                    Just this morning, before Obama spoke, I was listening to a national talk show and a guy called in saying that he was a small business owner in the mid west and that he was angry with the Republicans for not cooperating to raise the debt ceiling and that HE IS HOLDING OFF ON HIRING BECAUSE HE IS SO UNCERTAIN WHAT THE CONGRESS IS GOING TO DO! In other words he was saying exactly what Obama said later in the morning. This guy also said that he has voted both Republican and Democratic in the past, so he is not a partisan.

                    • 2 votes
                    #11.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:13 PM EDT
                    demo scout

                    Listen Skippy: How about any executives that would refuse to make revenues for their company even if the revenues were readily available and fair and would come from a very wealthy clientelle, and especially when the company's revenues were at a fifty year low compared to the company's size. And suppose those executives simply advised the company to simply shut down most of its stores and stop providing goods and services and to just pay interest on its debts and not make principle payments, and they insisted that that would make the company healthier and more solid? Would you trust those executives to run your business? And what would be the purpose of your business entity if it simply stopped serving its customers just to avoid spending any money?

                    • 1 vote
                    #11.2 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:22 PM EDT
                    writer21177

                    Oh yeah he needs someone to ring up groceries and he didn't hire anyone because Congress hasn't raised the debt ceiling. Like he cares???If ne really needed someone he would have hired somebody. You either have work or you don't.

                    • 1 vote
                    #11.3 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:22 PM EDT
                    demo scout

                    So the guy just took the trouble to get on the phone and call in just so he could tell a lie, and you know that because what he said doesn't fit your point of view. Have I got it right? Maybe, unlike you, he understands that if the government defaults every blessed one of us will feel it almost immediately in higher interest rates and higher prices and more uncertainty than ever, and he is not committing to added expenses because he simply doesn't know how bad things will get.

                    • 2 votes
                    #11.4 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 4:00 PM EDT
                    writer21177

                    Well if he is not hiring because of economic uncertainty he won't and hasn't been hiring for a while. With this massive debt things will probably have to get worse before it gets better.

                      #11.5 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 4:30 PM EDT
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                      writer21177

                      Good attempt to deflect the blame toward the GOP there Obama, we all know you aren't getting it done on the jobs front, but the Gopers said they were going to do something about it when they took the house and instead they wanted to fight about abortion or some social issue. So really both sides are batting .000 on jobs.

                        Reply#12 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:04 PM EDT
                        Poorworkingman

                        saying an agreement would end uncertainty that is keeping businesses from hiring.

                        passing trade deals with South Korea, Colombia and Panama,

                        Please, google and watch "The China Question 2011 video" and tell me what the hell on earth that we are gonna get out off this crisis. Isn't that the free trade agreement which got us to this point. Brilliant and encouraging, we didn't bleed away enough jobs yet. You are going to trade more million jobs with few management jobs, too bad the GOP don't have credential candidate. Mr. Obama, your chance of 2012 don't seem that great if following the same path which got us to today. Why? Obama is trying to please GOP knuckle head with Ryan's plan.

                          Reply#13 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:15 PM EDT
                          wordupman

                          writer21177

                          I don't agree with you on the jobs thing. The GOPers have been speaking out on the jobs issue along with the others, some of which you mentioned. Their focus has been on the reduction of taxes, especially corporate taxes which would leave more money in the hands of CEO's so they can hire more. More people working means more money to spend, means more business would be generated, means even more people could be hired, and so the circle spreads and increases. End result WOULD be more taxes the govt would collect, and less un-employment benefits it would have to pay out...simple equation!

                          High taxes, a leftist thing, along with excessive aggressive activities on the part of leftist unions have been the reason so many jobs went to China etc. Yet the Republicans get blamed somehow for this. How laughable!

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#14 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:18 PM EDT
                          writer21177

                          They have got to work a little harder than going back to the ole "Trickle down" theory, that is the rich get richer scam they been pulling for years. They cut taxes for Corporations so they have more money for start ups in Malaysia bad idea...Somebody has to take away the incentive of moving your plant to WHonoswhere for cheap labor and higher profits, it is the only way to keeps jobs in the US. Neither party is willing to do that.

                          • 2 votes
                          #14.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:28 PM EDT
                          demo scout

                          Pay attention wordupman. The CEO's are sitting on several trillion in cash. They are not hurting. They simply don't want to make jobs here because they can hire cheaper labor elsewhere and make more profit. They never have enough. What do you want people to do, work for nothing as if they lived in China or India? Did the Bush tax rates, which are the ones we have now, promote any jobs? No way! The corporations just kept shipping our jobs away, even as the unions kept losing ground in the labor force. The absolute irrefutable truth is that we did it the conservative way for eight years under Bush and the jobs picture got worse and worse and worse, and the money boys got kinkier and kinkier and kinkier until the whole thing blew up in their faces. Low taxes did not work and they are not the solution now any more than they were under Bush.

                          You are right about the lack of demand being the source of the problem. But if you think that businessmen are going to volunteer to hire people they neither need nor want just to create demand you are dreaming. They simply look for other markets and supply them with foreign labor. Unless the government spends to create work and thereby create consumer demand we will continue to drift. Business will follow demand, it will not lead it.

                          As for the unions, I have no idea how old you are. But I lived through WWII and I saw what the post war economy was and how the unions absolutely created the middle class by demanding and getting a fair distribution of the money earned from production and by insisting on fair working conditions so that working people could live decently, spend money on recreation and travel, and educate their children to be the productive and creative muscle of the economy that we enjoyed until conservatives stepped in and ruined it all. It wasn't all their fault. Technology played a roll in undermining the middle class by shrinking the need for labor in many cases. But anti-labor sentiment and greed was the main motivator in the attack on working people that began under Reagan and has persisted on the right and is now at its zenith even as working people are at their nadir. conservatives and Republicans are literally kicking the middle class to death when it is already on its knees. And when it dies everyone will suffer, even those who think that they are self-sufficient and well healed.

                          • 2 votes
                          #14.2 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:50 PM EDT
                          Poorworkingman

                          Dear wordupman, it's true if jobs were created here. Please google and watch "The China Question 2011 video" and we can talk some more. Now this coming deal will ship more jobs to central America and to South Korea and tell me how that's gonna help American workers to regain jobs.

                          • 2 votes
                          #14.3 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:52 PM EDT
                          Poorworkingman

                          We're being @!$%#ed again!

                          • 1 vote
                          #14.4 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 4:05 PM EDT
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                          Snowbird Know it allDeleted
                          nmbg

                          Uncertainty over debt limit impacts hiring?!? LMAO !!!!

                          Where does this incompetent ass-clown with no idea of what business is all about get off speaking for private enterprise?

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#16 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:27 PM EDT
                          Honor and Harmony

                          Hmmm would the entire country defaulting impact hiring? ARE YOU F'ing KIDDING? Of course it does.

                          • 2 votes
                          #16.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:28 PM EDT
                          nmbg

                          Race?!? WTF!?! That's a mighty uncivil charge coming from the civility police. Looks a basic reading course would be in order here. Then again, lib reading courses involve reading into things things that don't exist.

                          Ignorant racists who view EVERYTHING through the prism of color are nothing but ignorant racists.

                          • 3 votes
                          #16.2 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:32 PM EDT
                          Honor and Harmony

                          read again slick.

                          • 2 votes
                          #16.3 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:32 PM EDT
                          nmbg

                          Nice change of comments, Honor and Harmony.

                          This loser just posted a baseless accusation of racism for my post # 16, then changed it. This is what happens when you post your bigoted assumptions before you read what's actually there.

                          How civil of the civility police.

                          • 3 votes
                          #16.4 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:35 PM EDT
                          nmbg

                          Honor and Harmony - Is that a grotesque misnomer or just a joke?

                          • 3 votes
                          #16.5 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:36 PM EDT
                          Honor and Harmony

                          try to save face nmbg get it all out of your system. Should I start playing the violin???

                          • 2 votes
                          #16.6 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 8:51 PM EDT
                          vol fan in chatt, tn

                          happens all the time, nmbg...

                          • 1 vote
                          #16.7 - Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:25 AM EDT
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                          nmbg

                          While there's rampant uncertainty about how the country will emerge under King Obuma's incompetent, ideological policies, there's not an iota of uncertainty as to you his fate in 2012.

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#17 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:28 PM EDT
                          Honor and Harmony

                          The repubs are the ones doing it. Obama is giving them everything they want. Can't deflect on him this time.

                          • 2 votes
                          #17.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:32 PM EDT
                          Free Mason-1490678Deleted
                          nmbg

                          Honor and Harmony - Is that a grotesque misnomer or just a grotesque joke?

                          • 2 votes
                          #17.3 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:37 PM EDT
                          Honor and Harmony

                          try to save face nmbg get it all out of your system. Should I start playing the violin???

                          • 2 votes
                          #17.4 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 8:52 PM EDT
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                          Free Mason-1490678Deleted
                          determined0a1

                          Another speech. Zzzzzzzzzzz

                          I am a simpleton and I can find the jobs if we open ANWR and private oil companies start hiring from stenos to executives.

                          Unless we get a deal with Chavez, like Cuba, that Venezuela will send us free their oil in exchange for our health care.

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#19 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:42 PM EDT
                          R Davidson

                          Shh...anyone who mentions 9 percent unemployment is a racist.

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#20 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 4:01 PM EDT
                          demo scout

                          Determined: Did you say that you are a "simpleton" because your ideas are simplistic or were you being sarcastic? The oil companies will save us? Really? Is that why they are bleeding us dry at the pumps? They are trying to save us? Is that why they have spread devastating pollution from the Gulf of Mexico to Montana to Alaska and they don't even try to figure out ahead of time how to prevent it? They are trying to save us? Is that why despite the fact that they are the richest companies in the history of the world that they are spending millions to lobby to keep their tax payer subsidies while seniors, children and the disabled are being asked to do with less? They are trying to save us? Go wash your mouth out with soap, or maybe your key board.

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#21 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 4:16 PM EDT
                          determined0a1

                          Jobs are jobs for feeding the tables of the unemployed in America and new graduates from Colleges even when some can't pass the Arithmetic if not using a calculator.

                          I just heard this:

                          "" Government can't create jobs "".

                          • 3 votes
                          #21.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 4:35 PM EDT
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                          wordupman

                          demo scout, re your post #14.2 (sorry I had moved away from 'puter)

                          I NEVER said CEO's were hurting. Every person in business are in it to make as much profit as they can, ask Oprah, Soros, Michael Moore, who seemingly is as a strong a supporter of the Unions as he is an anti-capitalist, but one who like ANY capitalist sought to maximize his profit when he refused to hire the higher costing labor of unionized workers and used the cheaper non-unionized workers on his sets. And I can't fault him on this as he is in it, as I said, to make as much profit as he can! Similarly, ANY other businessman will be looking to profiteer on his venture.

                          If the economic climate is such that investing don't seem like a good thing, a businessman will hold on to any capital he has 'till things change; as they will come 2012. Obama's stringent regulations and red tape, his proposals to raise taxes along with the un-certainties and obvious bads in Obamacare, any CEO would sit on his cash. You would too.

                          Translated this means Obama is BAD for business...unless you are GE, Google, Lehman Brothers, Unions, the former ACORN, etc.

                            Reply#22 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 4:32 PM EDT
                            determined0a1

                            Translated this means Obama is BAD for business...unless you are GE, Google, Lehman Brothers, Unions, the former ACORN, etc.

                            And this is why we, American people try not to spent our money now. There are wonderful sales now and I think about the future in saving for more inflation.

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#23 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 4:40 PM EDT
                            determined0a1

                            Before I used to by an organic shampoo, now I wash my hair with gel @ 3.99/bottle.

                            • 2 votes
                            #23.1 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 7:50 PM EDT
                            Flashypaws

                            i can get you shampoo for 99 cents a gallon.

                            as long as you dont let it get on your hair, or your skin, you wont have any problems with it.

                            • 2 votes
                            #23.2 - Fri Jul 8, 2011 8:49 PM EDT
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