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President's debt offer risky but could be win-win

Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:14 PM EDT
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Charles Babington, Associated Press
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<p>House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio arrives for a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, July 21, 2011. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)</p>

House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio arrives for a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, July 21, 2011. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

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WASHINGTON — It's hard to know which is more surprising: a Democratic president pushing historic cuts in spending, including Social Security and Medicare. Or a Republican-controlled House refusing to accept the deal and declare a huge victory for long-sought GOP goals.

Political orthodoxy has been turned on its head ever since President Barack Obama stepped up his call for a bipartisan "grand bargain" to raise the national debt ceiling and avert a default on U.S. obligations. The deal would include $4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years, mainly through steep spending cuts but also including up to $1 trillion in new federal revenue.

Those are far bigger targets than typical budget negotiations. And the spending cuts would seem more appropriate for a Republican president than a Democrat.

Some pundits and political insiders say Republicans should leap at the offer. But there's a hitch: The new revenue — mainly from overhauling the tax code and lowering rates by eliminating or limiting a broad swath of loopholes, deductions and tax breaks — presumably would violate a no-net-tax-hike pledge that scores of Republican lawmakers have signed.

Mostly for that reason, House Republicans so far have rejected Obama's overture, despite the interest shown by Speaker John Boehner. Some pro-Republican analysts seem bewildered.

Obama's offer of big spending cuts would have "brutally fractured the Democratic Party," and congressional Republicans probably "will come to regret this missed opportunity," wrote David Brooks, a moderate-to-conservative columnist for The New York Times.

Such comments lead to a question: Why did Obama make the overture, and how might it affect him and his party as he ramps up his re-election campaign?

The consensus answer, based on interviews with key players in Congress, the White House and elsewhere, is that Obama may be maneuvering himself into a win-win political position for 2012, although it's not without risks.

If Congress approves a version of the "grand bargain," Obama can run next year as a president who began taming the runaway deficit, extracted concessions on higher taxes from Republicans and put Medicare and Social Security on a possible path toward greater stability.

If congressional Republicans block the plan — and especially if the Aug. 2 debt ceiling deadline is missed — Obama might persuasively argue that he tried his best to strike a compromise, at some political risk to himself. Recent polls suggest that strategy is working, as Americans seem disgruntled with the Republicans' dug-in opposition.

Either way, Obama can appeal to the all-important independent voters next year, portraying himself as above the bitterly partisan House and Senate squabbles. Polls show that independents are deeply unhappy with Congress. Even if Obama's ratings are not spectacular, he fares better.

A CBS-New York Times poll found that 68 percent of independents think an agreement on spending and the debt ceiling should include "a combination of both tax increases and spending cuts," which is the president's position. Fifty-five percent of Republicans in the survey hold that view.

Regardless of what happens to his plans to phase in tax and spending changes in future decades, Obama would be on record as pushing dramatic changes to government finances and Democratic traditions.

"We have the opportunity to do something big and meaningful," he said in an op-ed for USA Today. "I'm willing to cut historic amounts of spending in order to reduce our long-term deficits."

His proposals include:

_Increasing the eligibility age for Medicare recipients from 65 to 67 by 2036.

_Raising co-pays and premiums for Medicare beneficiaries based on their incomes. Such "means testing" already exists; the president's proposal would expand it.

_Decreasing the size of annual cost-of-living increases in Social Security benefits.

Obama first talked of tackling Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security spending in his State of the Union speech in January. After a budget stalemate nearly shut down the government, he revived the talk in April.

In a speech at George Washington University, the president offered the outlines of a $4 trillion deficit reduction plan over 12 years. It included reductions in Medicare and Medicaid spending of $340 billion by 2021, or $480 billion by 2023.

Initial deficit-reduction talks with a bipartisan group of lawmakers and led by Vice President Joe Biden focused on a smaller number — $2.4 trillion over 10 years. That was Boehner's price for an increase in the debt ceiling of a similar amount. The plan included modest changes in Medicare and Medicaid. Democrats also envisioned closing some tax loopholes and limiting some deductions.

When conservative Republicans' objections to tax increases prompted GOP negotiators to back away, Obama resumed talk of a "big deal" of about $4 trillion.

White House officials say Obama concluded that if both sides wanted to take on each other's sacred cows — Republicans' opposition to tax increases, and Democrats' support for entitlement programs — then why not seek a major deal with a long-term impact?

Republicans, and some Democrats, complain that Obama's proposals are maddeningly vague. Some suspect he's laying a trap for Republicans with gauzy proposals and ample chances for Democrats to wriggle out of their obligations in the coming years and decades.

"I don't know what the $4 trillion deal is," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. "These cuts don't have any definitions," he said, nor do the proposed revenue hikes.

Obama also risks alienating his liberal base by even entertaining such ideas as entitlement cuts in broad terms. His advisers believe the potential gain in support from independent voters is worth angering some liberal stalwarts.

Liberal leaders, including labor unions and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, have been relatively quiet so far. They say the entitlement programs' benefits must be protected, and revenues must be raised, but they've avoided ultimatums.

Congressional insiders say Pelosi and her allies realize that, thus far, Republicans are taking the chief blame for appearing obstinate. If the "grand bargain" approach fails, liberal Democrats can appear to have been more open-minded while avoiding hits to their favorite programs.

If the grand bargain approach succeeds, however, liberals will fight to minimize cuts in entitlement benefits.

Other components of Obama's offer include:

_Limiting the growth in federal health care costs to national economic growth as measured by the gross domestic product, plus one-half of 1 percent.

_Giving a strengthened Independent Payment Advisory Board authority to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels. Lately the administration has been playing down the agency as a "backstop."

_Finding about $200 billion in savings over 10 years through cuts to Medicare and Medicaid providers, including drug companies, hospitals, home health agencies and nursing homes.

Past efforts to include such savings have run aground. The most notable example is a 1997 law that requires a cut in physician fees, a requirement that Republican and Democratic Congresses have routinely postponed.

© 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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trico77

Has bamas plan ever been seen by anyone?

When are the cuts going to take place?

Where is reids plan?

Where is pelosis plan?

The dems have already stolen 500 billion from medicare for obamaocare, and it is alright for the mighty liberals to cut SS and medicare.

The liberals got us into this mess and really have no plan to get us out.

Taxpayers just lost 1.6 billion dollars with the liberals buying chrysler, and you want togive them 2.5 trillion more. My father always said never throw good money after bad.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:38 PM EDT
photoguy69

Nothing has been stolen from Medicare, none of the cuts are in the form of benefit cuts.The liberals got us into this mess? Are you high or just wake up after the last ten years?

Where is anyone's plan? There are NO concrete plans anywhere from either party so you have just thrown out another red herring.

Where is anyone wnating to give Chrysler 2.5 trillion?

The supposed cuts to SS and Medicare are mostly delayed benifits and increasing the copay for those able to best afford it. Why should someone with a six figure income pay the same as someone just barely getting by?

    #1.1 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:28 PM EDT
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    Coral Atlas

    There's always a lot of "they think" all over the place in these news articles ....

    As if it matters what "they think" .... americans intuitively know it is all about what is real ..... spending will be cut one way or another and revenues will be raised similarly .... while those who profit from waste and consumption are rapidly going to disappear from the economic landscape .... our President sees the future and winning the future requires a massive shift from "me, me, me" to "we, we, we!"

    Without nature their is nothing to consume but each other ..... and that is not as unlikely as you might think.

    The planet can only go so long watching millions of humans die before the entire human population erupts .....

    No country is more vulnerable than those who consume the most and waste the most and pollute to most ..... and these are a few things we're still number one in ...

    How much longer can the so called super powers trash humanity for the sake of what amounts to worthless currency .... money after all is said and done is no better than the controversial bitcoin that has the establishment nervous ...

    In the end food has the most value and unless you can eat dollar bills ... money has none.

    Yet we keep on destroying nature ... even while population growth continues to approach the boundaries of an out of control federal deficit.

    This hybrid game of chicken and cat and mouse .... is the clearest example of tunnel vision you will ever find.

    The future of the entire planet is hanging in the balance .... already our allies are struggling to make sense out of a world where everything that is believed to have value is valueless .....

    It is no accident that capitalism is gobbling up real estate .... by creating the framework of boom and bust that has fueled the securities markets .... valueless paper that is perceived to have value ..... simply based on perception and conventional wisdom and unfounded consensus opinion.

    Meanwhile an acre of land represents what we each need to live as human beings.

    We are after all is said and done animals .... nothing more nothing less ....

    The lords of the manor aka State Governors are making a comeback and building the walls of the GOP castles ... while the bulk of us americans are rapidly becoming serfs and peasants! ;-)

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:02 PM EDT
    nospin1

    You are spot on with "spending will be cut one way or another and revenues will be raised similiarly". Everything else is political posturing and both parties are using scare tactics, rhetoric and placing blame. The knuckleheads in both parties and their diehard followers have no interest except their own reelection and retirement benefits.

    • 1 vote
    #2.1 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:07 PM EDT
    photoguy69

    nospin, we have to let them know we will not vote them back in unless they come up with a fair way to get back to some semblance of responsible budgeting. We have got to get past the partisonship and throw anyone out that is doing their best to obstruct any legislation that benefits the majority of Americans. And that sure as hell isn't more tax breaks for GE and Exxon!

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:31 PM EDT
    nospin1

    YEP

    • 1 vote
    #2.3 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:34 PM EDT
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    agagnu

    For the 1trillion revenue, the President can relieve the noble republicans who are honor bound to the pledge devised by Norquist which is against the wishes of the American people. For that part of the package Obama simply signs an Executive Order.
    There is nowhere in the Constitution that says the lawmakers have to be dictated by an unelected person against the wishes of the People. Obama will be greatly respected for that by the People, and the noble republicans will thank him for that.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:16 PM EDT
    Mary-1324335

    agagnu - Exactly; Mr. Norquist is not an elected official. His power over members of the House and Senate is unbelievable.

    • 2 votes
    #3.1 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:46 PM EDT
    nospin1

    Don't care if it was Mickey Mouse, Big Bird, Norquist, or anyone else. The willingness to increase revenues is a compromise/concession from repubs. Hopefully the dems follow Obama's lead for spending cuts so the debt ceiling can be raised.
    It is time for both parties in DC to look forward instead of the rear view mirror and stop the name calling and playing the blame card.

    • 2 votes
    #3.2 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:41 PM EDT
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    Caryl S. Foster

    "The consensus answer, based on interviews with key players in Congress, the White House and elsewhere, is that Obama may be maneuvering himself into a win-win political position for 2012, although it's not without risks."

    How about "Obama may be maneuvering the country into a win-win economic position for the next several decades and accepts the risks".

    The sad reality of the Washington perspective is that everything anyone does is automatically internally and externally viewed and dissected thru a prism of personal political motivation and calculation.

    Very seldom are congressional politicians considered to be acting in the best interests of the greater majority of Americans and America as a whole. This is somewhat understandable given that they each were elected by and represent a much much smaller group of constituents than the nation as a whole.

    However, for the most part, all of our past Presidents have been given the benefit of the doubt that they operated in what they perceived as being in the best interests of America as whole. And for the most part they have.

    I sincerely believe President Obama is doing the same.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#4 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:33 PM EDT
    black spider

    The crux of the matter is the simple fact that most of the Congress have little or no experience running a business, creating jobs or balancing budgets. That is why governors and businessmen make better choices in financial matters.

    Obama has zero experience in these matters, as does almost all Democrats and most Republicans as well.

    They understand only two things about economics:

    1. how to swindle money out of potential voters for donations

    2. how to swindle money from taxpayers through the stroke of a pen.

    WOULD IT NOT BE A INTERESTING WORLD.... if we could simply sign a piece of paper and have access to $2,500,000,000,000 dollars to play with and buy off votes and live a lavish politician lifestyle complete with cadillac health care and pensions for life,

    like Congressman Wiener.... for example

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:58 PM EDT
    BottomLine

    Republican Knuckle Dragging Neanderthals can't close the deal....a deal that they have won. What a bunch of clowns. It's the 4th qtr and no time on the clock. Take your prize and go home. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is stupid. I just don't get it.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#6 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:43 PM EDT
    black spider

    Your prize, if you should take it, is to deny your children the same opportunity and standard of living as you do.

    If that is the kind of "prize" you are speaking of.

    Abuse the children, bash the economic conservatives, and destroy the greatest democracy on Earth, if it makes you happy.

    • 1 vote
    #6.1 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:37 PM EDT
    Flashypaws

    and now you get it.

    they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the name of integrity.

    and i will laugh when they do, in the name of comedy.

      #6.2 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:09 PM EDT
      photoguy69

      Black, we denied our children the same opportunity to have a better future when we embraced supply side economics. It is no accident that the income gap has grown wider ever since.

        #6.3 - Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:09 AM EDT
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        ReasonPlease

        If you hand the GOP an ideological victory in 2011, they'll push it away. Because they don't want ideological victory. They won't accept anything less than ballot victory in 2008. Too late on that, guys; shocking as it was and still is, McCain/Palin lost in 2008. We'll try again in 2012 - pinky-swear promise.

          Reply#7 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:14 PM EDT
          black spider

          Based on the choices of Supreme Court nominees and debt, I must go with the Repukes, even though I am an independent.

          Two lesbian latina anglo hating marxists does not do a bit of good on the Supreme Court.

          Oh, so 2 out of 9 Americans are latina lesbian marxist socialist anglo hating persons?

          And only one Supreme Court member is a Protestant.....?

          People who know absolutely nothing about creating jobs or accounting principles have no business in the White House after GW Bush's state of the economy left to Obama.

          Obama was handed a mess, and obviously he had no clue what to do about it.

            #7.1 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:41 PM EDT
            photoguy69

            Black, you have a great plan? Please share it as no one else seems to have a magic bullet.

            • 1 vote
            #7.2 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:50 PM EDT
            Flashypaws

            pretty sure blacks plan is to label women as "lesbian communists".

            that should help the cause. or get him a pat on the head from rush.

            whichever one he's going for there.

            • 1 vote
            #7.3 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:14 PM EDT
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            Brad Know How

            I'ts a shame it doesn't look like they are going to raise the debt ceiling w/o cutting some throats, I was hopefull they could reach an intelligent agreement on the debt ceiling but the GOP wants blood ! Balanced doesn't mean program cuts with no discretion on which programs to cut, and no raising taxes to me. America has turned into a 1% society. The Golden Rule is the ones with the Gold makes the rules.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#8 - Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:02 AM EDT
            photoguy69

            Like a bunch of spoiled children, they want it all or none. They want the least able to afford to pay for the tax cuts for those that can most afford them.

            • 1 vote
            #8.1 - Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:28 AM EDT
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            Alex-294426

            Obama is coming at the problem from both sides - tax reform and cuts. That is, of course, what every economist in the United States of American believes must be done. I've seen debates on the details, but all economists arrived at generally the same conclusion. Unfortunately, the Republicans are coming at the problem from only one side and thumbing their noses at the correct way to handle the economy. The way out of this mess isn't easy, but it certainly can be done! It can't be done, however, if the Republicans refuse to do what is obviously the right thing to do. None of this requires name calling or useless bashing. TAX REFORM and CUTS. Pretty simple.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#9 - Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:07 PM EDT
            Flashypaws

            you cant find me one home-schooled fundamentalist christian economist that believes revenue increases should be part of the solution.

            so there.

            • 1 vote
            #9.1 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:21 PM EDT
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