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FAA shutdown to continue as Congress leaves

Tue Aug 2, 2011 7:55 PM EDT
politics, us, aviation, federal-aviation-administration, shutdown
Joan Lowy, Associated Press
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<p>U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood discusses the interruption of federal funding for airport construction projects and contractors at LaGuardia Airport in New York, Monday, August 1, 2011. The FAA's operating authority expired at midnight Friday, forcing a partial shutdown of the agency. Dozens of airport construction projects across the country have been put on hold and thousands of federal employees were out of work.  In the background is an old air traffic control tower whose demolition has been interrupted because of the funding interruption. (AP Photo/Henny Ray Abrams)</p>

U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood discusses the interruption of federal funding for airport construction projects and contractors at LaGuardia Airport in New York, Monday, August 1, 2011. The FAA's operating authority expired at midnight Friday, forcing a partial shutdown of the agency. Dozens of airport construction projects across the country have been put on hold and thousands of federal employees were out of work. In the background is an old air traffic control tower whose demolition has been interrupted because of the funding interruption. (AP Photo/Henny Ray Abrams)

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WASHINGTON — The government is likely to lose more than $1 billion in airline ticket taxes because lawmakers have left town for a month without resolving a partisan standoff over a bill to end the partial shutdown of the Federal Aviation Administration.

The government already has lost more than $200 million since airlines are unable to collect taxes on ticket sales because the FAA's operating authority has expired.

The Senate recessed on Tuesday until September, erasing any possibility for quickly resolving the issue. The House left Monday night.

Caught up in the partisan acrimony are nearly 4,000 FAA employees who have been furloughed. The FAA also has issued stop work orders on more than 200 construction projects, threatening the jobs of thousands of other workers. Air traffic controllers, however, remain on the job.

The debacle could have had an upside for airline passengers because ticket taxes, which typically average about $30 on a $300 round-trip fare, are suspended during the shutdown. But airlines decided to pocket the windfall. Within hours of the shutdown on July 23, most airlines raised their fares by amounts equivalent to the taxes that disappeared.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood called airline CEOs to complain and lawmakers have sent letters demanding the fare hikes be reversed and the profits be placed in escrow. But their howls have largely been ignored. Airlines collectively lost about $440 million in the first six months of this year, according to the Air Transport Association.

Some passengers will be due tax refunds if they bought their tickets and paid taxes before the shutdown, but their travel took place during the time airlines no longer had authority to collect the money. Airlines and the Internal Revenue Service are quarreling over who will handle the complicated and expensive process of getting those refunds to passengers.

President Barack Obama implored Congress on Tuesday to settle the dispute before leaving town, calling the stalemate "another Washington-inflicted wound on America."

LaHood, a former GOP congressman, conveyed the same message in a series of private meetings on Capitol Hill and in phone calls to lawmakers, but was unable to clinch a deal.

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., chairman of the Senate committee that oversees the FAA, held out the possibility that if the Senate were able to pass a bill acceptable to Democrats, it could still be approved by the House using obscure parliamentary procedures, and sent to the White House.

But his House counterpart, Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., ruled out that possibility. The only way left to end the shutdown is for the Senate to agree to a previously passed House bill containing $16.5 million cuts in air service subsidies to 13 rural communities that some Democrats — particularly Rockefeller — find objectionable.

"The only one holding this up now is Mr. Rockefeller," Mica said. One of the 13 communities that would lose subsidies is Morgantown, W.Va.

The entire air service subsidy program costs about $200 million a year, roughly the amount the government lost in uncollected ticket taxes in the first week of the shutdown. The program was created after airlines were deregulated in 1978 to ensure continued service on less profitable routes to remote communities. But critics say some communities receiving subsidies are within a reasonable driving distance of a hub airport.

Subsidies per airline passenger range as high as $3,720 in Ely, Nev., to as low as $9.21 in Thief River Falls, Minn., according to the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Republicans were trying to force Democrats to accept policy concessions they would be unable to enact through normal legislative procedures. Democrats tried repeatedly over the past two weeks to pass a bill extending the FAA's operating authority without the subsidy cuts, but were blocked by Republican senators each time.

"Republicans are playing reckless games with airline safety," Reid said in a statement. "We should not let ideology interfere with making sure that Americans' air travel runs as smoothly and safely as possible."

Underlying the subsidy dispute, was a broader, more politically-charged dispute over a labor provision inserted by House Republicans into a separate, long-term FAA funding bill. The FAA's last long-term funding bill expired in 2007. Since then, Congress has been unable to agree on a long-term plan. The agency has continued to operate under a series of 20 short-term extensions.

Democrats said the air services cuts were being used as leverage to force them to give in to the House on a labor provision, which the White House has said Obama would veto. They see the provision as part of a national effort by Republicans, both in Congress and in state capitals, to undermine organized labor.

The provision would overturn a National Mediation Board rule approved last year that allows airline and railroad employees to form a union by a simple majority of those voting. Under the old rule, workers who didn't vote were treated as "no" votes.

Democrats and union officials say the change puts airline and railroad elections under the same democratic rules required for unionizing all other companies. But Republicans complain that the new rule reverses 75 years of precedent to favor labor unions.

"Democrats have to decide if they are going to be the handmaidens of the labor unions in every policy," Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the No. 2 Senate GOP leader, told reporters. "Every now and then they should put the American people first instead of their constituency."

The 13 cities targeted for air service subsidy cuts are Athens, Ga.; Morgantown, W.Va.; Glendive, Mont.; Alamogordo, N.M.; Ely, Nev.; Jamestown, N.Y.; Bradford, Pa.; Hagerstown, Md.; Jonesboro, Ark.; Johnstown, Pa.; Franklin/Oil City, Pa.; Lancaster, Pa., and Jackson, Tenn.

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bdjwill

bill containing $16.5 million cuts in air service subsidies to 13 rural communities that some Democrats find objectionable.

Another thing being held hostage by the Republicans. Gods forbid we find something to tax more like, I don't know, the rich, instead of cut more to places that can't afford to be cut.

  • 19 votes
#1 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 8:33 PM EDT
Rainbow Warrior

most airlines raised their fares by amounts equivalent to the taxes that disappeared.

So will there be a wind fall profit tax, since they're banking it anyway? I doubt it, these people hate America!

  • 13 votes
#1.1 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 8:57 PM EDT
caodanDeleted
Tappy McWidestance

If I didn't know any better I'd swear the Republicans were lying when they ran on a jobs platform in 2010. Yet everything they do seems to cost people jobs. Weird.

  • 22 votes
#1.3 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:20 PM EDT
Rich-365548

most airlines raised their fares by amounts equivalent to the taxes that disappeared.

Unbelievable. No more bailouts for these unpatriotic airlines that are taking advantage of political gridlock to gouge their customers.

  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:33 PM EDT
Rainbow Warrior

Only the few get tax breaks, at the expense of the many. It's the only way the Tea Party can fly!

  • 12 votes
#1.5 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:40 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

Gee, I guess you all missed this part:

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., chairman of the Senate committee that oversees the FAA, held out the possibility that if the Senate were able to pass a bill acceptable to Democrats, it could still be approved by the House using obscure parliamentary procedures, and sent to the White House.

But his House counterpart, Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., ruled out that possibility. The only way left to end the shutdown is for the Senate to agree to a previously passed House bill containing $16.5 million cuts in air service subsidies to 13 rural communities that some Democrats — particularly Rockefeller — find objectionable.

"The only one holding this up now is Mr. Rockefeller," Mica said. One of the 13 communities that would lose subsidies is Morgantown, W.Va.

In other words, it appears some of the Dems have problems with it...and Harry Reid hasn't brought the bill forward because it can't get out of committee apparently, and come to think of it, the FY2012 Spending bill due to be in place by the end of Sept.

16 billion in cuts?...Welcome to the world of being out of money...did we solve anything by another "Washington-inflicted wound on America." It seems all they are doing is wounding us and it starts at the top, bub. He acts like he has done nothing wrong here.

And who has controlled the House since 2007? And in 2009 - 2011 they had the whole enchilada.

President Barack Obama implored Congress on Tuesday to settle the dispute before leaving town, calling the stalemate "another Washington-inflicted wound on America."

Wow, now that is calling the kettle black. This guy and half the politicians in DC have been nothing BUT a self inflicted wound on America (ya know, 14.3 trillion dollars in debt and another 2 trillion to spend until the 2012 election with no way to pay for it...brilliant. I can hardly wait for all the taxes and regulations of Obamacrapcare to kick in...that will be the deathnell of self inflicted wounds (and we didn't even want that POC bill).

  • 8 votes
#1.6 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:54 PM EDT
Arkansas Gloria

God, I love the Hobbits!!

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:12 PM EDT
mountainmike-1199289

I think the American people are going to get sick and tired of the Teapublican peeeyooooks using every situation to hold something hostage or sabotage government.

  • 12 votes
#1.8 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:23 PM EDT
jdl-28

Why not go home for a month after all our government doesn't need any money and after working a total of one day to raise the debt ceiling. To bad we can't take one moth off for not doing our jobs with pay.

  • 12 votes
#1.9 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:26 PM EDT
jawill11

vol fan, please don't tell me you actually believe this is about $16m in cuts? The GOP bill stifles the ability of private contractors in the airline industry from unionizing. That is the entire disagreement, not $16m in cuts.

They want workers to bow their heads to their corporate masters without any backtalk or organization and the dems are trying to stand up for the working people. The GOP is yet again willing to throw billions of dollars and the livelihood of thousands of innocent people down the drain to advance the agenda of their corporate sponsors.

The $16m is their same tired smokescreen used to dupe people like you.

  • 12 votes
#1.10 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:43 PM EDT
AnnForTruth01

Gee, you must don't understand Republicans' tactics and not so much that individuals "missed this part."


Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., chairman of the Senate committee that oversees the FAA, held out the possibility that if the Senate were able to pass a bill acceptable to Democrats
, it could still be approved by the House using obscure parliamentary procedures, and sent to the White House.

But his House counterpart, Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., ruled out that possibility. The only way left to end the shutdown is for the Senate to agree to a previously passed House bill containing $16.5 million cuts in air service subsidies to 13 rural communities that some Democrats — particularly Rockefeller — find objectionable.

If Senate continuously do things the Republicans' way, hell we'll all be out of job or a great number of us. They seem to want to cut things and programs that end up with people unemployed but they don't want Bush's tax cuts to the wealthy to expire that hasn't and wont' create any jobs as they claim this would for how many years now?

The middle-class are the one that create jobs and lack of purchasing power impacts on businesses' bottom line, visa, verse and whether or not to hire. The rich invest in corporations, etc. to increase their bottom line. Republicans seem to want to have their cake and eat it too.

People should stop investing in the rich, only purchase what is needed to maintain and save your money and invest in things to increase your earnings like they do.

The Senate probably disagrees with the House because they know it would create higher unemployment.

  • 6 votes
#1.11 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:13 AM EDT
David Noah

The FAA's last long-term funding bill expired in 2007. Since then, Congress has been unable to agree on a long-term plan. The agency has continued to operate under a series of 20 short-term extensions.

The FAA hasn't had a budget since 2007. The Democrats didn't pass budgets for 2009, 2010 and 2011. The FAA has been without a budget for the last four years and at no point did the Democrats say "Hey we have control of the Senate, House, and White house and we have a filibuster proof majority. Why don't we pass an FAA budget to deal with this instead of a short term extension so it doesn't become a "crisis"..."

Yep its the Republicans fault because this has been lingering for four years. Who was in control of the House and Senate from 2006 until 2010? This is just another example of the Democrats being unable to govern then blaming it on Republicans.

Is there anything the Democrats will take responsibility for?

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:47 AM EDT
Naughtia

Is there anything the republicans will take responsibility for?


do you ave a concept of the filibuster and how much it has been abused by the right.

t no point did the Democrats say "Hey we have control of the Senate, House, and White house and we have a filibuster proof majority. Why don't we pass an FAA budget to deal with this instead of a short term extension so it doesn't become a "crisis"..."

Maybe it is because they NEVER had a filibuster proof majority.

the closest they came was 58 with two independents that caucused with them but hardly voted with them every time. How about learn some reality instead of some foxality.

  • 9 votes
#1.13 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 1:00 AM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

Harry Reid says

Democrats say

Democrats and union officials said

And why am I supposed to believe them above anybody else? They are liars just as much as many of the others...what, they have no smoke and mirror? Puleeze. LOL...you have been duped. I don't believe the Pubs are as pure as the wind driven snow, like you apparently think the Dems are...seriously? Why do you believe anything they have to say any more than anyone else??

But back to the bill, here is one explanation:

Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., said he will use Senate procedures to hold up the legislation unless it also includes cuts to the Essential Air Service program, which was set up more than three decades ago to ensure airline service on less profitable routes to remote communities. Critics complain that in some cases the subsidies are too high - more than $1,000 per person - or that some the communities are now within 90 miles of a hub airport, reducing their need for subsidies.

A Republican-sponsored bill passed by the House last week to extend FAA authority through Sept. 16 included a provision to cut $16.5 million in air service subsidies. FAA has a $16 billion budget this year.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/07/26/general-industrials-us-aviation-shutdown_8585874.html

Yep, we need to stop subsidizing what doesn't need to be subsidied, and given our current economic condition, things need to either sink or swim at this point...and it's 16.5 million of a 16 billion budget. What's that, 10%?

Everybody should realize we have to make difficult cuts, "just don't gore my ox", eh? What part of broke don't you people understand? That said, yes, they are trying to also get labor concessions...just as much as Reid and all are trying to buck it...tis politics, you know.

The GOP is yet again willing to throw billions of dollars and the livelihood of thousands of innocent people down the drain to advance the agenda of their corporate sponsors.

Well, it seems the things the Dems have tried now 2 1/2 years later hasn't works so well either. In fact, it hasn't worked at all, and all the money we've thrown at the problem to the tune of 3+ trillion dollars under Obama has seriously decreased our unemployment figures now, hasn't it? Nope, it hasn't done diddly squat.

This is 16 million, not billion, btw. And if you look at the Dems talking points above:

4,000 FAA employees who have been furloughed. The FAA also has issued stop work orders on more than 200 construction projects, threatening the jobs of thousands of other workers

(upwards of 70,000 according to their skewed calculations), then divide that up and see what, according to their figures, these people would be making...it makes NO sense, given the figures...just more of the typical leftwing fear mongering. For reality, look at how many hundreds of thousands of jobs have been shed in the last 2 1/2 years under Dem leadership and get back to me...

What corporate sponsors? You mean the same ones the Dems have? LMBO!! Seriously, jawill, I realize that the Pubs have their problems as I already stated, but you need to wake up and realize the Dems are playing the same games.

  • 5 votes
#1.14 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 1:00 AM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

Is there anything the Democrats will take responsibility for?

David, the answer is NO.

Naughtia, the Dems are doing the same thing. This hasn't gotten any legs because the Dems don't have enough votes. Read the friggin article.

Annfor truth, you can pay the piper now or the piper later, but it will be paid one way or the other. If we pay it now, we might save the country though it will be painful to be sure (and it already is for me...working part time jobs at 1/3 of what I was making in 2008), but we will be on our way to fiscal sanity. If we hadn't wasted a couple of trillion on failed programs and pork (18,000 earmarks in 2 bills in 2009 alone), we wouldn't even need to be raising the debt ceiling...ever think about that?

  • 6 votes
#1.15 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 1:08 AM EDT
AnnForTruth01

vol fan in chatt, tn,

Annfor truth, you can pay the piper now or the piper later, but it will be paid one way or the other. If we pay it now, we might save the country though it will be painful to be sure (and it already is for me...working part time jobs at 1/3 of what I was making in 2008), but we will be on our way to fiscal sanity. If we hadn't wasted a couple of trillion on failed programs and pork (18,000 earmarks in 2 bills in 2009 alone), we wouldn't even need to be raising the debt ceiling...ever think about that?

I wasn't against raising the debt ceiling simply because it may have devastated our economy more so the other way around. But I'm not an economist and therefore do not know for sure what the outcome would have been and not sure I can trust what our leaders tell and are telling us. They're all a bunch of manipulators and liars, one party more so than the other it seems, some more so than others. Investing in failed programs didn't just happen. The bottom line is if many are unemployed or surviving paycheck to paycheck and jobs are continuously being outsourced overseas how are we going to build up our economy? Furthermore we'll be revisiting Part II of Part I episode in the upcoming months, because we've traveled not particularly this road before but similar ones. So faith in our leaders flew out the window some time ago.

And BTW, where the heck are the jobs Bush's tax cuts to wealthy is suppose to create?

  • 7 votes
#1.16 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 1:42 AM EDT
David Noah

Nautia the Dems couldn't come up with a bill in 4 years that could get enough votes to pass?

The Dems, Reid, and President Obama are always talking about "Compromise". Apparently that's just a new thing after they lost the house because they didn't seem to interested in "Compromise" when they controlled the House, Senate and then won the White House. It seems they only care about "compromise" when they don't control all three parts of the legislative branch or have you forgotten how the 800 Billion dollar economic stimulus package, Health care reform, financial reform,etc.. were passed.

Who knows how much "compromise" the Democrats would have shown in 2010 if Scott Brown didn't win Kennedy's seat (oops I mean Massachusetts seat).

  • 5 votes
#1.17 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 1:55 AM EDT
AnnForTruth01

Is there anything the Democrats will take responsibility for?

Of course, being the adults in the room willing to compromise with mindsets of individuals who believe in it's my/our way or the highway, give me/us everything and take nothing or near nothing in return. Democrats not only take responsibility for being reasonable; they own it.

  • 4 votes
#1.18 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:02 AM EDT
paxildog

ROTFLMAO...... Ann, you are funny. Thanks.

  • 4 votes
#1.19 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:07 AM EDT
AnnForTruth01

You're welcome. Laughing is healthy, especially in times like these.

  • 3 votes
#1.20 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:13 AM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

And BTW, where the heck are the jobs Bush's tax cuts to wealthy is suppose to create?

Here and here, maybe? BTW, those weren't the Bush tax cuts, those were the Obama tax cuts he extended. Anyway, I am thankful I have a part time job from a rich guy.

jobs are continuously being outsourced overseas how are we going to build up our economy?

I agree. Look at the big Obama supporter Immelt of GE who Obama tapped to sit on the jobs advisory board and he just shipped a bunch of jobs to China...great, eh? Or we gave bailout money to GM...they are building a plant in Mexico with our hard earned tax dollars...

The bottom line is, we are 14 +trillion dollars in debt, by the time the elections roll around we will have passed the 16 trillion mark. We were at 8 when Nancy Pelosi took over the House, and at 10 when Obama took over, and that isn't including the cost of Obamacare...which they NOW tell us will not be "deficit neutral"...duh, we knew that was a friggin lie. We have got to cut costs, we have got to find a way to increase revenue (if the economy was better, that would be some better) - maybe everybody needs to pay into the system ...currently nearly HALF of this country pays no taxes. And they need to close the loopholes that let corporationd like GE get by with paying NO taxes...seriously.

So faith in our leaders flew out the window some time ago.

Yep. Though I am impressed with some of our new people who just came in. At least most of them say what they mean and mean what they say.

  • 5 votes
#1.21 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:14 AM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

Ann, as I just pointed out, the Dem leadership has amassed trillions of dollars in debt in the last 2 1/2 years, and you call them the responsible party...you are right about one thing, they OWN this mess we find ourselves in right now.

Hey paxildog, good to see you. Where have you been?

  • 4 votes
#1.22 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:17 AM EDT
AnnForTruth01

Here and here, maybe? BTW, those weren't the Bush tax cuts, those were the Obama tax cuts he extended.

Maybe, just maybe if we can get pass the blame game we might be able to get on a path of constructive recovery. Both Presidents added to our deficit, one more so than the other. How do you or anyone one else with an ounce of sense/logic conclude that ""those weren't Bush tax cuts, those were Obama tax cuts? Do tell, what tax cuts have PRESIDENT Obama implemented while in the White House? He's not trying to RAISE taxes as Republicans often say for talking points. Rather President Obama wants to REINSTATE taxes as they were prior to Bush's tax cuts and thus far our President has been unsuccessful. I wonder why. The only sameness between the the two words , raise and reinstate, is they both begin with the letter "R" but there meanings are totally different. Let's not get it twisted.

Anyway, I am thankful I have a part time job from a rich guy.

Duh, did you think you were/are going to get a part-time job or job at all from a poor guy/gal? I believe it's fair to suggest that individuals who own businesses and hire are better off than those seeking employment for financial gain and not for enjoyment or because they're bored, although there are some folks who fall into the latter two categories. But this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

  • 4 votes
#1.23 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:47 AM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

Maybe, just maybe if we can get pass the blame game we might be able to get on a path of constructive recovery.

I agree. Which was curious as you previously said this:

Is there anything the Democrats will take responsibility for?

Of course, being the adults in the room willing to compromise with mindsets of individuals who believe in it's my/our way or the highway, give me/us everything and take nothing or near nothing in return. Democrats not only take responsibility for being reasonable; they own it.

It left me scrating my head...anyway.

Bush was no fiscal conservative, he spent too much money to and I have never defended those actions. That said, what Bush was; Obama is ON STEROIDS. See chart. I do realize they were the Bush tax cuts, but Obama signed a 2 year extension - so by proxy they then became his cuts.

REINSTATE taxes as they were prior to Bush's tax cuts and thus far our President has been unsuccessful. I wonder why. The only sameness between the the two words , raise and reinstate, is they both begin with the letter "R" but there meanings are totally different.

Not so much...just one question. if he "reinstates" them, will they be raised? Yes or no. Simple answer, no twisting involved (bad for my back anyway). And yes, Obama has raised taxes and more, much more on the way when Obamacrapcare kicks in (assuming it does). List of taxes to come. Ones Obama has already implemented, cig tax, tanning tax, bank tax...you can look them up online. And remember a tax on a business is a tax on you - because it is passed off, always.

Duh, did you think you were/are going to get a part-time job or job at all from a poor guy/gal? I

Nope, not at all. Just threw that in for fun because many of my friend on the left dispute that. Seems to me to be common sense.. We have some similarities see, we both realize poor people can't hire anyone.

Have a good night.

  • 4 votes
#1.24 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 3:33 AM EDT
paxildog

Good to see you again also Vol. Been busy trying to keep my new business up and running while pelosie, boxer and a host of others try to put me in the unemployment line along with ten employees. Other than that, I'm fine, how are you? You're doing a great job here. Don't forget to have some fun.

  • 2 votes
#1.25 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 10:57 AM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

Well, good luck, Paxildog. If you can survive the party that has caused so many "self inflicted wounds" on America for the last few years, you will be lucky indeed. Hang in there!!

  • 3 votes
#1.26 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 11:31 AM EDT
dcstone01

I still believe people have distracted from the main point here...

The GOTP in Congress has added a 'rider' to the bill, one that was NOT pre-approved by Congress to the 21st extention...

That UNAPPROVED addition is what is at the center of this deadlock...The Dems don't want it added to the extention, the GOTP in supporting Delta airlines CEO does want it there...It is a reversal of (an employees union passed) vote on change that Delta wants...

The GOTP is holding up all of this legislation over a rider...get it?...All the GOTP has to do is take out the rider and the extention will pass by the Dems...

  • 7 votes
#1.27 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:38 PM EDT
RobersonGabrielDeleted
euterpe-1641499

This is another example of the Tea Party holding Congress hostage. You do it my way or no way - and damn the consequences. I bet you I can find FAA employees who are Tea Party members: what about them? Washington cannot continue to succumb to the Tea Party's narcissism.

  • 5 votes
#1.29 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 7:15 PM EDT
Don't Dream It Be It

I just have to say, "the Bush Tax cuts" were not just for the rich. I am tired of that lie.

    #1.30 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 7:18 PM EDT
    Mike-2260639

    Tappy McWidestance

    If I didn't know any better I'd swear the Republicans were lying when they ran on a jobs platform in 2010.

    That's what they have been saying all along. America needs jobs. But obviously they meant America needs jobs CUT! And at the same time starve the government. These fascists are unbelievably hateful and disgusting pigs. Everything they do smacks of @!$%# you, America!

    • 4 votes
    #1.31 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 8:19 PM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    Well, lookie here...as if on cue:

    On some days, the pilots with Great Lakes Airlines fire up a twin-engine Beechcraft 1900 at the Ely, Nev., airport and depart for Las Vegas without a single passenger on board. And the federal government pays them to do it.

    Federal statistics reviewed by The Associated Press show that in 2010, just 227 passengers flew out of Ely while the airline got $1.8 million in subsidies. The travelers paid $70 to $90 for a one-way ticket. The cost to taxpayers for each ticket: $4,107.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_AVIATION_SHUTDOWN_RURAL_SUBSIDIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-08-11-21-42-37

    And you all were gripping it was about it being"union busting"? Congrats, this is YOUR and my tax dollars flushed down the gubberment toilet. And this is from the AP..Wonder why the jacks in the media waited until AFTER they passed the friggin bill to tell us this...never mind, we know why.

    • 1 vote
    #1.32 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:23 PM EDT
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    Roy-933464

    Gee...and here it was, I thought that this was just a cynical little thought in the back of my mind until I came to it in the article. Do you think your average self-interested American would entertain a boycott of the airline industry until our @!$%#bag Congress comes back from summer vacation? Of course not, they'll just bring their own travel sized ironically FAA approved container of Vaseline for their trip.

    The debacle could have had an upside for airline passengers because ticket taxes, which typically average about $30 on a $300 round-trip fare, are suspended during the shutdown. But airlines decided to pocket the windfall. Within hours of the shutdown on July 23, most airlines raised their fares by amounts equivalent to the taxes that disappeared.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 8:37 PM EDT
    Roy-933464

    This DOES however present a perfect illustration of something else regarding the subject of rape by taxes. I've always contended that when the anti-smoking lobbyists eventually get cigarettes outlawed, the revenues from that sale of death will be recouped somewhere. All of the arguments that those lobbyists and parties use about smoking-related healthcare costs...do people actually think they will see some kind of relief when that day comes? Do people believe that smoking related deaths are not seen as a morbid positive by the people who report the numbers? I suggest that you wake up if you believe that. How many times do you have to be beaten about the neck and shoulders with the "world population is exploding" bit?

    • 2 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:10 PM EDT
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    lifeisgood43

    More Reps bull crap to hurt the economy therefor hoping that insane Americans vote for Reps and their White House candidate

    • 12 votes
    Reply#3 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 8:37 PM EDT
    1standlastword

    More Reps bull crap to hurt the economy therefor hoping that insane Americans vote for Reps and their White House candidate

    You forgot that they will somehow blame Obama and conservatives will believe them then vote for their GOPT hopeful and then the $hit will really hit the fan.

    Has anybody wondered what things could be like if McCain (Boris) and Palin (Natasha) won the house....

    • 3 votes
    #3.1 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
    Don't Dream It Be It

    Has anybody wondered what things could be like if McCain (Boris) and Palin (Natasha) won the house....

    It would probably be the same. Boris is a RINO.

    • 2 votes
    #3.2 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 7:27 PM EDT
    Reply
    believe anything

    idiots...i cannot believe they went back out on the campaign trail before resolving the FAA Tax...especially when they know the airlines are going to kick the money back to their own pockets instead of letting the passengers get a break...In the mean time...what happens to the FAA and it's ability to keep our airways and flights safe....Real Patriots our Congress/sarc

    • 11 votes
    Reply#4 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 8:40 PM EDT
    Little Sure Shot

    Beleive it.

    • 9 votes
    #4.1 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:03 PM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    Yep, were screwed...

    • 8 votes
    #4.2 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:57 PM EDT
    MartyMoose

    Actually Spirit Airlines has lowered their fares by the amount of the tax, so their passengers are getting the price break.

    • 6 votes
    #4.3 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:12 AM EDT
    skc-3791449

    Yep. There are two other airlines that have done the same.I can't remember which, but I know all the big names, they didn't lower their fares.

    • 2 votes
    #4.4 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:59 AM EDT
    Reply
    dcstone01

    All I can say about them is this...if you are a passenger on a plane with a rep...tell them off in public (nicely though, you don't want to be arrested on a plane for 'terrorism' or some such excuse)...let them try and defend and justify themselves...

    None of the reps should be going home if there is unfinished business in the House and Senate and thousands are out of work...

    Personally, I think it takes a real lack of conscientiousness on the Reps parts for even attempting to travel 'on airplanes' at all...either the major airlines, or 'rented' crafts...

    • 14 votes
    Reply#5 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 8:43 PM EDT
    MJL-3

    passenger on a plane..........reminds me of a joke

    Bush and his wife are getting it on in his private jet when a 100 dollar bill falls out of Bush's pocket. George picks it up and says stupidly "I got an Idea, I am going to throw this out the window and make one lucky person happy."

    His wife replies, "why don't you throw 2 $50 dollar bills out the window and make 2 people happy"

    Bush than proclaims "I am going to throw 5 $20 bills out the window and make 4 people happy"

    The pilot walks out and tells them, "5 twenties getting thrown out the window would make 5 people happy, now why don't you throw yourselves out the window and make the whole world happy.

    Sorry, couldn't help myself :) :) :)

    • 5 votes
    #5.1 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 7:31 PM EDT
    Reply
    D-Nice

    This congress hates our country and the feeling is mutual. Get rid of these clowns in 2012.

    • 14 votes
    Reply#6 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 8:58 PM EDT
    downhillracer

    The wall street crowd is much smarter than the political class . Result
    the middle class was left unprotected from the smartest guy'.s in the
    room. The Merrill and the AIG crowd & the Goldman crowd and all the
    bankers were for sure smart enough to see that the VALUE of real estate
    would plummet and take the rest of the economy down with it. But since we
    had no protection from the inept federal regulators & inept politicos all
    the bankers made all the money they could and stole the savings of the
    middle class as well as the value they had in their real estate. None went
    to jail (just Madoff & some Enron &Bernie Ebbers) . But the middle class
    has been ruined while most of the top level executives working for the
    bankers got bonuses and high salaries even if they ruined their country
    and their own companies. Now we say not to tax the really big earners(I
    do not mean those making 250,000). We would not collect enough money for
    it to really reduce the debt, but at least it would help and really would
    not hurt the lifestyle of the monied class. This increase in tax on the
    rich would not change anyone's inclination to invest. If the monied class
    thinks they can make money on their investment they will invest even if
    the tax rate goes up a little. We cannot increase demand for products
    unless people have disposable income . I could go on & on both parties
    are to blame the minority party during the Bush administration was as much
    a failure as the Bush administration. You keep talking about class
    warfare who cares, we need jobs and we will then create demand pay taxes
    and lower the debt. The big mistake the United States made was not paying
    for the wars, the decrease in taxes. STOP blaming this on the lazy, most
    folks want work and work hard ,but we need a level playing field.
    This is a very serious situation I have no proof but feel that way more
    folks have died from the stress of this economic disaster than even from
    the tragedy of 9 /11.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#7 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:16 PM EDT
    Carl Lafoon

    I would like for the Government to tell me why I had to Finance this mess with 11% of my 401/IRA. That is what these idiots have cost me a retired Engineer in Florida.

    Maybe I should process a request to BP for damages cause by the spill. I am talking about the spill from the Crap going on in Washington.

    I am starting to believe that we the Citizens need a MARCH ON WASHINGTON. It seemed to work for Civil Rights and Farm Subsidy marchers maybe it would work for just common old folks.

    • 8 votes
    #7.1 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:39 PM EDT
    Arkansas Gloria

    Do we have a date for a nice, lawfully executed gathering on the lawn of the White House? Give me a date, wouldn't miss it for the world! Maybe Labor Day? You know, LABOR DAY for ALL the laborers in this nation...working, not working, those that have lost their $401K, those that lost their homes, those that have no housing industry left, those that are hungry, those that are scared, those that are so tired of Washington spending--put us in the situation that this nation is OVER $14.5Trillion in OVERDRAFT! Both sides are at fault, over the years, but Thank You to the ones that held fast and firm on slowing our spending this time...my HEROES seem to look like little hobbits, but they are STANDING TALL, and standing true, like any good soldier. My hat is off to those that are trying to get us out of debt!!

    • 8 votes
    #7.2 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:32 PM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    well said, Ark Gloria.

    • 3 votes
    #7.3 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 3:34 AM EDT
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    Kathleen McKenzie

    Gee, and Congress was just so concerned about the debt ceiling and who got what tax cut or spending cut or tax increase. Now they tootle off on holiday while thousands are furloughed. Ya gotta love it when people really put their money where their mouth is -- and do it so blatantly.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#8 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:16 PM EDT
    Carl Lafoon

    Lets see if I understand this FAA mess.

    We can't collect the Federal Airline Tax because the House wants to change the Labor Laws. We can keep the Controllers on the Job but can't collect the taxes? What?

    Who said our Demoracy wasn't functional? We just don't like the way the Congress screw's up almost every situation.

    Maybe we should just say we can't pay the Controllers because we can't collect the taxes. That would force Congress to find Alternate Transportation back to Washington after the current Vacation. Sounds like a good plan to me. Every body would get screwed not just he Citizens.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#9 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:33 PM EDT
    Mark Battey

    We should all write Boehner and Reid and tell them to come back and fix this. I don't care if they need to campaign, they have work to do. I can't just cut and run on my job like this, my client's would never use me again.

    http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/

    http://reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm

    • 8 votes
    Reply#10 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:39 PM EDT
    krounded

    What an irresponsible bunch of shlt heads.

    It's only the air transportation industry, who cares.

    This Congress needs to be banned from flying the airlines, helicopters, their own planes, catapults, ferris wheels, etc. Hell, they are not even fit to breath the air much less travel through it.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#11 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:42 PM EDT
    mountainmike-1199289

    Oopsie! Tax cuts - loophole for non billionaires for a change. The Republicans are slipping up. In fact, there is no guarantee that they will donate money to or vote for the Republican Party. Unlike Wall Street and Big Oil.

    • 7 votes
    #11.1 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:37 PM EDT
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    photoguy69

    Any American that doesn't see what the GOP is doing, and wants to do, to their paycheck is ideallogily blind or ignorant. It is the stated goal of the m to eliminate all unions, do away with the minimun wage, curb OSHA, eliminate overtime pay, and relax child labor laws.

    Don't take my word, do the research, everything I posted has been publicly announced by various GOP leders in the last two years.

    Hearings were even held recently to eliminate most overtime rules.

    • 16 votes
    Reply#12 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:43 PM EDT
    skc-3791449

    Hey photoguy. I think and feel the same way, but I am curious to know why do you think people are blind to this? Another thing, it is funny how the Republicans talk about government spending cuts, when most of the Red States, are major benefactors of entitlements. What is the disconnect here?

    • 3 votes
    #12.1 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 11:47 AM EDT
    photoguy69

    It is many reasons but I think, for the most part, the GOP aided by Fox has played into the average American's fear of intellectualism to portray themselves as just like the guy next door. Look how Reagan and Bush made themselves look and speak "folksy". Also, no one likes to pay taxes and they have successfully portrayed ALL government spending as wasting their hard earned money. In reality, any organization as large as the federal government will have waste and inefficiencies. I have worked for large corporations and have done consulting with many organizations both public and private and they all suffer from the same problems.

    I think religion plays very heavily into this disconnect with the people voting against their own best interests. The GOP has use the gay rights and abortion issues very successfully to get people to vote their way. I know many people that do vote on one or two hot button issues and really know only whet the media tells them about any other issue.

    We also have been sold a bill of goods with the new economics theories coming out of the dissaster that was the 70's. It was a rehash of the old policies of the early 1900's and we all see how that has turned out. I really don't think most people have any clue how the economy actually works. I see most compare all things to their household budgets and have no idea how most businesses and the larger economy functions. One my friends that is an ardent TP supporter thinks that no business or government should ever borrow money for any reason. That may work for his household but is ludicrous in the larger scale.

    • 5 votes
    #12.2 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 10:05 PM EDT
    skc-3791449

    Photoguy. I appreciate your comments here, thanks for answering that question!

    • 3 votes
    #12.3 - Thu Aug 4, 2011 1:13 AM EDT
    Reply
    rational thought-3748544

    Welcome to the world of the new GOP/TP as they promote the ass backwards policies of "save a penny, lose a dollar."

    • 12 votes
    Reply#13 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:45 PM EDT
    NativeAmerican-1289371

    Oh for Christ's sake--can't this goddam do-nothing Republican congress do anything right?

    • 13 votes
    Reply#14 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:51 PM EDT
    lifeisgood43

    They don't want to. They are going to tear down America so they can point the blame at one black Dem Pres.

    • 16 votes
    #14.1 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:04 PM EDT
    David-2308845

    Explain to me how giving up 16.5 million dollars in "free" money to rural airports, in return for 1.1 Billion is tearing down America? Its like saying "no I won't give you $1000.00 for 100K in return".
    Do you really think it is smart to subsize $3720.00 PER PASSENGER at one airport? I would gladly drive 3 people from Ely to a larger airport for $3720.00 a piece. 10 trips and I made 100K!! Yahoo, I think I just figured out how to get rich!!

    • 2 votes
    #14.2 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:47 AM EDT
    dcstone01

    David In that line of thinking I guess it's ok in your world that an Airline CEO gets a faction of the US Congress to apply an unapproved rider to a license extention that gets held up, while the CEO may benefit and thousands are without work because of it...

    • 7 votes
    #14.3 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:43 PM EDT
    skc-3791449

    lifeisgood43 you got a point there, plus you know what, everybody will easily believe it. That's why they are doing it.

    • 5 votes
    #14.4 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:01 PM EDT
    lifeisgood43

    skc...... it is already having an effect. Even Dems, Liberals and Progressives talking heads on TV and the Radio are blaming Pres Obama for the economy. Remember that before the Reps/Tea Party took over the House, the economy was growing in a positives way and jobs were added by the hundred thousands. As you can see, the House hasn't sent one credible job plan to the Senate and then on to Pres Obama.

    IT IS A PLAN BY THE HOUSE REPS. IT IS WORKING TOO

    • 2 votes
    #14.5 - Thu Aug 4, 2011 7:18 PM EDT
    Reply
    lifeisgood43

    Man, those Reps/Tea Party don't care about anyone but themselves. If you look closely at our problems, it is the Reps/Tea Party that are behind it. It is their planto @!$%# up so much stuff that either Pres Obama resigns before his term is up or destroy his re-election because some people cannot or will not except that it is the Reps/Tea Party who is throwing America and Americans for a loop.

    NOT ONE JOB OR HEALTH CARE PLAN FROM REPS/TEA PARTY

    • 9 votes
    Reply#15 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:57 PM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    really, LIG?

    What jobs bill do you suggest? We are out of money...We got a new credit card (phew) and can still spend money we don't have... so what do you suggest.

    Why do they need a Healthcare plan? We already have Obamacrapcare passed last year.

    • 4 votes
    #15.1 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:02 PM EDT
    jawill11

    Why do they need a Healthcare plan?

    How soon they forget (that's what the GOP counts on and is proven right time after time). Two of the central platforms of teh GOP candidates were jobs and "repeal and replace" of the ACA. They repealed it in the House and have yet to offer up any replacement.

    • 8 votes
    #15.2 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:51 PM EDT
    Jake319

    Tenn.
    So let's do nothing? Huh

    Look, we cant pay taxes if we don't have jobs. If we don't have jobs it gets real dame hard to eat. So let's borrow money and tax the hedge fund managers and exxon.

    Build a country that our children can live in for the next 100 years. That don't spend crap is just a excuse.

    The GOP will throw every last woman and child under the bus to gain the white house. Well, they got to go by the American workingman first.......

    • 6 votes
    #15.3 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:52 PM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    They repealed it in the House and have yet to offer up any replacement.

    jawill, once again you need to do some research...It did pass the House on Jan 20. Text here. It has been sitting in Harry Reid's lap in the Senate, along with the FY2012 budget waiting for a vote.. some things that will be considered in the replacement bill are tort reform, purchasing interstate insurance, prexisting coverage, HSA improvement (something I am considering, but waiting on now to see what happens with Obamanocare). Working on things to make hiring easier and more affordable for small business.

    Jake, let's use your logic:

    So let's borrow money and tax the hedge fund managers and exxon.

    Okay, Jake, we are 14.4 trillion dollars in debt. We just raised the debt ceiling to 16+ trillion. How much more do you want to borrow and how many generations do YOU want others to pay for our wanton spending now?

    You tax the businesses...great. Do you think they just absorb that tax on their profit margin? Nope they pass the tax to the consumers....you and I. Case in point.

    Build a country that our children can live in for the next 100 years.

    This country won't be here for your kids in 20 years if we don't get spending under control. You do realize that every man, woman, and child owes almost $50,000.00 for the 14+ trillion dollars in debt we already have incurred?

    The GOP will throw every last woman and child under the bus to gain the white house.

    Nah, that's Obama who worked a deal so he could get by raising the debt ceiling and spending until after the 2012 election...pretty smooth. He sold the liberals out who wanted raising taxes as part of the debt deal just to get another shot at the WH...brilliant, eh? He did the same thing with Obamacrapcare...many walked the plank for him and he used them to get what he wanted, and their careers, thankfully, were done in 2010.

    • 4 votes
    #15.4 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 1:50 AM EDT
    jawill11

    jawill, once again you need to do some research...It did pass the House on Jan 20.

    Not sure what you are referring to. Your link didn't work, and when I double checked my research, I saw these news items from as recently as July:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58377.html No replacement bill ever voted on the House floor. GOP admits the plans were stalled and no bill was ever offered.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/07/11/265174/gop-still-want-replacing-health-reform/ Rep Price giving quotes admitting that there is no finalized replacement plan.

    There are plenty more articles where they came from. Just google "GOP house replacement bill health care reform".

    • 3 votes
    #15.5 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 8:03 AM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    oops, sorry about that first link.

    I will try and find it again. Per your source in politico:

    Privately, Republicans cite a combination of factors as to why the health activity has slowed down. Other issues have come up, including the debt limit and military activity in Libya. Some question whether holding a vote now on the law’s most unpopular provision — the individual mandate— would undermine the various lawsuits against it,

    But there are also signs that House GOP leadership has grown weary of fighting an uphill battle on the issue. One possible reason for the fatigue factor: All but one of the repeal laws they’ve passed this year have died in the Senate.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58377.html#ixzz1TyrHLfou

    Of course there aren't replacement plans yet...there is a legislative process and it has to work through various committees and be put together. They have time though, Obamanocare was put off to not be fully implemented until 2014 remember?

    • 2 votes
    #15.6 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 11:41 AM EDT
    jawill11

    Your link mentions a "repeal" law. That is different from a "replacement", which in my politico link the House GOP admits they have never offered for a vote on the House floor.

    • 4 votes
    #15.7 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:37 PM EDT
    MJL-3

    lifeisgoodat43

    I like the way you think, from one dem to another :) :)

    FR request

    • 3 votes
    #15.8 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 7:33 PM EDT
    MJL-3

    lifeisgoodat43

    Thanks for the FR :) :)

    • 3 votes
    #15.9 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 8:59 PM EDT
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    blazera

    boycott all airlines who raised prices.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#16 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:16 PM EDT
    AlphaDogReporter

    If this doesn't prove the Republicans only goal is to destroy the economy to try and make Obama a one-term President, nothing will.

    Pretty chicken@!$%# to leave town with between 70 and 80 thousand jobs in the balance, when this has been renewed 20 times since 2007 without the posturing.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#17 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:50 PM EDT
    Jake319

    The GOP cares nothing about working people. They will run back home to posture and reel that they are getting the job done. While 20,000 working families have to use their savings to pay there bills.

    Plus $1.3 billion in tax receipts go into corporate pockets .. Hang um high...

    • 7 votes
    #17.1 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:58 PM EDT
    MartyMoose

    this has been renewed 20 times since 2007 without the posturing.

    While I agree this should have been done more efficiently, the fact that something has been done many times before is not a great reason for continuing to do it. At some point, you have to reach a level where you say, "ok now it's getting out of hand and we have to do something different."

    • 2 votes
    #17.2 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:17 AM EDT
    AlphaDogReporter

    Baloney. This is about union busting. The Democrats offered to pass a clean extension with the provision to talk about the union rules at a later date, to get the 74,000 people back to work right away. I saw the floor debates so I know what was said. The Republicans said no.

    • 4 votes
    #17.3 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 1:24 AM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    Not according to what I just read above...alpha. Tell me, though, This is a cut of 16 million. According to the lefty talking points and you, that is 74,000 people who may be out of work...now, figure up what they each would make given those stats...I'll wait.

    • 3 votes
    #17.4 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 1:53 AM EDT
    Reply
    Village Idiot-2299796

    Can We Shut Down Congress?

    In the mean time, good luck, airline users!

    • 7 votes
    Reply#18 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:54 PM EDT
    JackJimandJose

    I believe the Dems control the Senate, so blaming the GOP is misguided if they can't get their own act together. Yet again, more fear mongering by the left as they have the majority in the Senate.

    Why should subsidies to the airlines be taken off the table? Let the free market determine where air services should be and not the government. The government shows that it should not be making business decisions (i.e. $14 Trillion debt), let the companies that have shareholders make efficiency/cost determinations.

    Anyone with money in a IRA or 401k should want these companies to profit, as they represent your future retirement savings. Frankly, I think I'm smarted than the government when trying to make investment decisions.

    My proof? The government can't even agree on collecting $1 billion in "revenue".

    • 1 vote
    Reply#19 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 10:54 PM EDT
    Jake319

    Jack
    Are you kinding me ? Those airlines pay nothing in dividends. A 401k. Or an IRA won't see a penny of that tax money and neither will the government. You didn't read the article or you just don't give a @!$%#.

    Well I know you can't be counted on for supporting your nation. A/h

    • 5 votes
    #19.1 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 11:03 PM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    Yep, J, J and Jose...typical...Jake, you a union man? Just curious...

    • 2 votes
    #19.2 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 1:54 AM EDT
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    aeeavbDeleted
    Yearning

    Well...since every election is a choice between two evils and we are all cool with voting for the lesser of two evils...

    .... We should vote in the GOP...as the Democrats won't destroy America if they lose. If Democrats lose, nothing happens... if the Republicans lose, America is destroyed... simple.

    I'm voting GOP from now on...just so they won't try to hurt America during their time as the minority party.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#21 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 11:23 PM EDT
    photoguy69

    Yeah, just like they didn't destroy the economy from 2000-09? We tried that once or have you forgotten already?

    • 2 votes
    #21.1 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:15 AM EDT
    Yearning

    well... given that we vote for the lesser of two evils...and the Democrats don't sabotage stuff when they are the minority, and the GOP does...

    It's the lesser of two evils to vote in the Republicans.

    no?

    • 3 votes
    #21.2 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:49 AM EDT
    Yearning

    ... my snarky point being that we should not feel as though we have to vote for the lesser of two evils... as all it does is help the two evils.

    • 2 votes
    #21.3 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:32 PM EDT
    Reply
    Honor and Harmony

    Another phucking mess the gop/baggers have left us with. Still think voting for a party that hates a govt. they are supposed to help run is a good idea?????

    • 5 votes
    Reply#22 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 11:24 PM EDT
    Only One Voice

    $30 in taxes for a $300 dollar ticket...and all I get for this is a TSA feel-up...I want a refund.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#23 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 11:50 PM EDT
    MartyMoose

    Please. Where else can you get felt up for 30 bucks?

    • 4 votes
    #23.1 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:23 AM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    LOL!

    • 2 votes
    #23.2 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 1:55 AM EDT
    skc-3791449

    We've also tried the big tax cuts under Bush which proved big tax cuts on the wealthy do no equate to sustain job growth...So why is it we are doing it again? So why is it the Republicans can get away with the argument "don't tax the job creators" or this silly notion that cutting spending will "create jobs"....Do they think we are stupid? Well, I am speaking for myself. I AM NOT!

    • 4 votes
    #23.3 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 11:53 AM EDT
    Reply
    skc-3791449

    I think it is ashamed that the government is allow these companies to continue to collect fees that are no longer in existence. Secondly, I think it is ashamed that Congress did not go ahead and renew the bill for this. My heart goes out to all of those people in construction or working for the FAA that are entangled in this mess.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#24 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:21 AM EDT
    dcstone01

    See the GOTP added an UNAPPROVED rider to the extention...that is the reason it is not being passed...

    Please understand there is more to this than just one party bad, one party good...

    • 6 votes
    #24.1 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:47 PM EDT
    skc-3791449

    Hey dcstone01 tell us more about that rider situation?

    • 1 vote
    #24.2 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
    dcstone01

    It's in the article as well as other articles...

    The long and short of it is....

    The union employees made a 'union vote' to change something last year or so, in their own 'bylaws'...The CEO of Delta airlines doesn't like that 'result'...

    So now the CEO of Delta is asking the GOTP in Congress for that change to occur anyway that is in it's interest, not the 'empolyees'...and the GOTP is going along with it by attaching an UNAPPROVED rider to that effect on the license extention...A rider itself has to be approved by the Congress before being included as an addition to anything...

    So the GOTP is breaking its own rules of legislation by adding the unapproved rider...

    THAT is what is being argued over...

    So don't believe this BS about all the other nonsense...that is to distract you from the cental issue of the 'unapproved rider' that the GOTP is pushing onto the legislation...

    • 7 votes
    #24.3 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:19 PM EDT
    skc-3791449

    Thank you dcstone01 this is why I spend my time on here to be informed.

    • 3 votes
    #24.4 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:25 PM EDT
    dcstone01

    You are welcome...You can read another article about this here...

    Rahall, Costello: Republicans Should Not Fly Home for Vacation before Finding a Solution to end the Senseless FAA Shutdown

    Every Democrat on the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee joined together last week to introduce the “Aviation Jobs and Safety Act of 2011” (H.R. 2644), a clean FAA extension bill that would authorize the aviation programs through the end of Fiscal Year 2011 (September 30, 2011). The clean extension, which is supported by the U.S. Department of Transportation and a wide variety of organizations, would help turn the lights back on at the FAA while a long-term reauthorization is finalized.

    “House Republican leaders have the ability to solve this shutdown today and help put 3,600 aviation engineers, scientists, and experts back on the job. Republicans could act today to no longer jeopardize the jobs of nearly 90,000 American workers,” said the lawmakers. “There is no legitimate reason why the future of our aviation system deserves to be negotiated at gunpoint. Stop the political games. Do not penalize the people who help keep our skies safe

    Pending enactment of a long-term FAA reauthorization bill, Congress has passed 20 short-term extension acts without controversial policy provisions since 2007. Breaking with precedent, the 21st short-term extension that the House Republican leadership crafted and the House recently passed contained extraneous policy riders that had not been agreed upon in advance. Despite being warned that such provisions could not pass the Senate, Republican leaders chose to attach these provisions to a must-pass, short-term funding extension and forced a partial FAA shutdown at a cost of $200 million per week in lost revenue.

    • 7 votes
    #24.5 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 2:57 PM EDT
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    David-2308845

    We are in the midst of a budget crisis, looking for more income, and ways to cut expenses in government, but all leaders leave DC? This is the epitomy of hipocrisy. We will lose 1 Billion in tax revenues, because the legislature needs some R&R, after passing the debt ceiling bill. What the heck is going on?

    • 5 votes
    Reply#25 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:26 AM EDT
    skc-3791449

    oh David.. a month's vacation almost? do you get that much time for vacation on your job? lol

    • 4 votes
    Reply#26 - Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:30 AM EDT
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