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Geithner: S&P showed terrible judgment

Sun Aug 7, 2011 7:09 PM EDT
business, politics, us, debt, geithner, timothy-geithner, rating
Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer

FILE - In this Feb. 4, 2009 file photo, President Barack Obama, background, listens to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner speak about executive compensation in the Grand Foyer at the White House in Washington. Geithner has told President Barack Obama that he will remain on the job as Treasury secretary. The Treasury Department released a statement Sunday, Aug. 7, 2011, saying Geithner had informed the president of his decision to remain in the administration. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds, File)

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WASHINGTON — The credit rating agency Standard & Poor's showed "terrible judgment" in lowering the U.S. government's credit rating, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Sunday.

"They've handled themselves very poorly. And they've shown a stunning lack of knowledge about the basic U.S. fiscal budget math," Geithner said in his first public comments about the credit rating decision.

Interviewed on CNBC, Geither said that U.S. Treasury securities were just as safe now as they were before S&P announced its downgrade. He predicted that China and investors would remain strong purchasers of U.S. government debt.

Republicans have blamed President Barack Obama for the first-ever downgrade of the government's credit rating.

But Geithner said Congress owns the credit rating because the Constitution gives Congress the power to tax and spend.

Late Friday, S&P announced it was lowering its rating for U.S. debt one notch from AAA to AA+.

The other two major credit rating agencies, Moody's Investor service and Fitch Ratings, have not lowered their AAA ratings, although they have warned of a possible downgrade if more is not done to deal with soaring federal deficits.

The rating agencies were sharply criticized after the 2008 financial crisis for continuing to give top ratings securities backed by subprime mortgages. When the mortgages went bad, investors lost billions of dollars and the resulting financial crisis sent the country into a deeper recession.

Geithner alluded to those problems in his interview Sunday, saying about the credit agencies: "Look at the quality of judgments they've made in the past."

The administration has also accused S&P of a $2 trillion error in its estimate of the size of the deficits over the next decade because the agency made a fundamental error in interpreting budget projections of the Congressional Budget Office.

S&P officials say they changed the part of the draft press release where Treasury said it discovered the mistake but that this did not alter their basic assessment.

S&P said the political "brinksmanship" on display in the prolonged battle over the raising the nation's borrowing limit underscored a deep divide between the political parties that raised concerns over the ability of Congress to come up with a credible plan to deal with the long-term deficit problem.

S&P had been warning for months of a possible downgrade and said that a credible plan would need to achieve $4 trillion in deficit reduction. The plan that Congress passed last week seeks to achieve between $2.1 trillion and $2.4 trillion in deficit cuts.

Geithner refused to forecast whether the credit downgrade would result in higher interest rates for the government, businesses and consumers.

But he said, "I think everyone can be confident around the world, that Treasuries are the ... most liquid, the strongest place to put your money at a time like this."

He said he had "absolutely no concern" that China, the largest foreign holder of U.S. government debt, would stop buying that debt.

"They've been very strong and I'm sure they'll be strong investors in the U.S. going forward as will investors around the world," he said.

A critical editorial by China's state-run news agency on Saturday said that the United States must "cure its addiction to debts."

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nospin1

Geithner's comment is another example of dems blaming anyone except themselves.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:45 PM EDT
kg14051

Everyone, in both parties, has had their hand in the cookie jar at one time or another, for a long, long time. Republicans blame everyone except themselves, too.

When China is saying that we need to "cure [our] addiction to debts," I say we need to take heed!

Europe is going broke, too. When will we learn that credit cannot fuel any economy indefinitely? It will be painful, but we have to start living within our means. There's not enough money for everyone to get everything they want on both sides. Everyone has to give a little, on taxes, entitlements, defense, everything.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 12:42 AM EDT
HonestIndy

When will we learn that credit cannot fuel any economy indefinitely?

At the rate the democrats and republicans are going, we will never learn.

There's not enough money for everyone to get everything they want on both sides. Everyone has to give a little, on taxes, entitlements, defense, everything.

OMG!!! Someone who thinks like I do!!

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 2:54 AM EDT
Coral Atlas

Geitner is one of the few left in Washington with brains ...... imagine Paul Ryan as Treasury Secretary and Boehner as President ;-)

I would like to stress that I am not anti-republican at the human face to face level ... what we have here is a gap in perception as created by the corporate owned and sponsored media to all of us ... and as put forth to republicans by their party leaders. Sadly many republicans buy it hook line and sinker ... some knowingly some out of anger, fear, hate ..... some are just not paying attention ...

For me there are no republicans or democrats at the human level and while there are some differences between progressive and conservative americans, in a room together we are able to usually work them out and agree more than disagree ... and our solutions are not bad ... although hardly ever implemented by our so-called representatives

People I tell you unequivocally that the two party system is obsolete, stale, out-dated and broke ..... we need one party with a right, left and middle and progressives and conservatives working TOGETHER!

But the rich republican skewed corporate owned and sponsored news media thrives on controversy ... and like the kid who instigates a fight between two adversaries by telling each of them lies .. the GOP leadership uses that tactic every minute of everyday to divide our nation ... and the corporate owned and sponsored media is selling advertising and watching their viewership ratings skyrocket.

What makes it worse is that every financial crisis this nation has is prefabricated by a lot of wealthy republicans and some wealthy democrats as well .... and THEY BENEFIT FROM IT ...

Even as I write Ryan is saying "I told you so ..." instead of "I'm sorry ..."! that is the arrogance of a republican party that has gone "right" off a cliff!

It is land that has value NOT gold ..... which is why the real estate bubble was created by the wealthy and then when the wealthiest americans who lend all the money and collect all the interest were done milking the over valued dow jones index ..they turned to americans home equity and gave them lots of leeway on credit using cheap dollars .... THEN they stuck a pin in the real estate bubble and starting gathering up real estate assets ...while selling worthless gold to make more profits!

Folks ... they can make anything appear valuable using the DOW JONES and GOLD ... but they can't grow the food without land and labor.

Think about that!

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 10:11 AM EDT
RexFisher

People I tell you unequivocally that the two party system is obsolete, stale, out-dated and broke ..... we need one party with a right, left and middle and progressives and conservatives working TOGETHER!

Coral, I agree that the two party system is broke, but for different reason. The system wasn't meant to function like we know it. Log-rolling, back-scratching, compromise, etc. These are things that were not part of the plan. The idea behind the system was to kill legislation, not make it easier to pass.

The problem, in my opinion, is that we have been lulled into a belief by washington that compromise is the way to get things done. That may be the case. Question is. What is the cost of compromise? For log-rolling? For me, the cost is half-assed legislation. Getting things done isn't always a good thing. Legislation should stand on its merits. If its not good enough to pass without buying votes, then the system worked.

Instead, the system is corrupt, and vote buying is the norm. Pelosi's line, not bagging on Pelosi mind you, is the classic. "We need to pass it to see what's in it." Thanks. I'm certain it will be to the benefit of all if you pricks don't even know what has been thrown in to get the damn thing through.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 12:23 PM EDT
Coral Atlas

rex .... I'm not clear how anything would ever get accomplished with your philosophy ..... all decisions are on average 50% right and 50% wrong ... when you do nothing your 100% wrong .... or dead.

Your cynicism is the result of everyone not voting ... all americans should be required to vote ... if only to cast a NO vote ... that would eliminate roughly half the comments complaining about a government they take no part in electing.

You want democracy vote .... otherwise you have no rights according to republicans .... who say we're not a democracy but a republic aka plutocracy ... where a plurality of well off americans elect our representatives.

Guess who IS voting and spending the most influencing election outcomes ..... those who get all the financial benefits ,,, the 2%

    #1.5 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:25 PM EDT
    RexFisher

    Coral.

    Don't confuse the issue. There is something to be said of putting animosity aside and voting for good legislation because it is beneficial. That is not what goes on. Bad law or unfavorable law is being passed because backroom deals are being cut.

    Nothing is absolute. The problem is that you assume that something needs to be done 100% of the time. That's not the case and my point. Not all laws need to be passed. Congress does not need to move in all instances. We run into trouble when nothing needs to be done, but somebody wants to do something anyway. Apparently you agree with the war in Iraq? Something had to be done by your logic. Don't say they could have voted not to go to war either, because that is what I am saying. If its bad, it should not get a yes vote.

    The fact remains, there are more ways to kill a bill then there are to pass it. The system was set up to make it difficult to pass bad law. As the liberals were so fond of pointing out in 09 and 10, a small minority can keep laws from passing. The obvious benefit is preventing mob rule. Good law should pass on its own merit, not because pelosi or Boehner circle jerk the congressmen. How much did nebraska get for a vote on the health care bill?

    Your blurb on lobbyist may or may not be accurate. Regardless, its another story albeit with the same outcome. The common good is being put aside for the good of the few. That's the problem.

    And who said anything about not voting in elections? I've said nothing about a popular vote for elected officials. You're trying too hard to argue with the simple premise. The two-party bicameral legislature was set up to prevent bad law from getting passed. Now bad law is simply packaged with payouts in an omnibus bill.

      #1.6 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:52 PM EDT
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      Better Careful

      I watched a panel show yesterday, with a panel of Washington insiders. There were two journalists and four politicians. They represented Republicans and Democrats. They all had hurt feelings. They all were in denial. They all seemed to insist that their actions, and the actions of their cronies in Washington, be removed from consequences. HAH!

      Expect things to get worse, not better, for the USA. Our leaders are dedicated to plunder, not investment. Their focus is on taking out as much as they can for themselves, as quickly as possible. Our national economic and political culture is sick and regressive. Our right-wing, Obama and Geitner included, have no desire to work towards a solution.

      There are some real and effective solutions to the US's economic and political probems. It is possible to effectively manage a mature economy for the benefit of all. It is possible for our politicians to work for the public interest, in the common good - in theory, anyhow. In practice we get business leaders intent upon plunder, and politicians determined to work against the public interest, even to the point of advocating the destruction of the very institution they have been entrusted to serve. Those are stunning dynamics. We don't stand a chance with these people pushing us over a cliff. None.

        Reply#2 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:12 AM EDT
        Borncorn

        This was a T-Bagger downgrade, pure and simple. They threatened over and over to DEFAULT on our debt if they didn't get their way. If you think a half notch downgrade is bad, think of what would have happened if the T-Baggers got their way. We were ten votes away from defaulting. I'm surprised we only got a half notch downgrade. Don't tell your creditors your not going to pay your debts and then expect them to not to question your credit worthiness.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#3 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:15 AM EDT
        aqua surf-1123675

        The TEA Party/Congress should be proud that they have begun to put a stop to Obama. No one else had the guts to! Obama did this to America, by refusing to do what was best for America. And he's still giving away what we don't have or don't you know he's going to send 150 million over to Africa now?!

        • 2 votes
        #3.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:07 PM EDT
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        Jackie-355788

        President Obama needs to bring back Clinton's economic team Ruben and Reisch to restore confidence because these guys know how to bring back a surplus then our credit rating will be fine. Hire Clinton to go out and talk about the plan. Lets get going. And if the cry babies in Congress can't get their @!$%# together then he needs to step in and rule with an iron fist on jobs.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#4 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:54 AM EDT
        Texasguy01

        Geithner: S&P showed terrible judgment

        Texasguy01: The US showed terrible judgement putting a Soros operative with a track record of wrecking economies in charge of the US Treasury.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#5 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 10:07 AM EDT
        coolslow

        Obama: I'm the President of the USA. The buck stops.....with Bush, the Tea Party, The Republicans, Congress, S&P, Greece, Japanese Earthquake, oil companies, corporate jets, greedy corporations, Wall Street, the weaher, sunspots, dandruff, Minnie Mouse......

        • 3 votes
        Reply#6 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:49 AM EDT
        reddirthippy

        I have a hard time deciding which I trust less, S&P or Geithner.

          Reply#7 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:59 AM EDT
          Runner99

          S&P showed terrible judgement? How about we change that to Congress showed terrible judgement.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#8 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 12:01 PM EDT
          BigRev

          Boehner and the Tea Party is to bl;ame, but the Dems were AWOL. This is a good time to actually do something together FOR THE COUNTRY.

            Reply#9 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 12:35 PM EDT
            Caryl S. Foster

            Geithner is wasting time talking about the S&P. What's done is done and they are not the enemy anyway.

              Reply#10 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 2:07 PM EDT
              Carol-500283

              Again, one-third of an enity controls the whole. S&P is only one-third of the rating houses and yet the whole world went nuts today. Yes, we are in a mess, but it should be a wake-up call, not a throw everything up in the air and run screaming. I guess we are a country run by the minority now, what a farce.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#11 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 3:48 PM EDT
              Mickey Branch

              I have never seen so much blame directed at on individual for so many things, most of which have been totally out of any reasonable control of his or hers. President Obama, undoubtedly, has inherited the responsibilities of God and the actual designated power Homer Simpson. How could he have prevented all of the bad things happening all around the globe which caused world economies to implode? How could he be possibly be charged with blame for a government which has proven to almost incompetent and divided. How can he, by use of his powers under the constitution, singlehandedly bring down unemployment and the total lack of insurance reform needed to sustain the well being of our population? How could he possibly have forced Congress to act more responsibly during the recent legislative debacle? Why should we expect him and his staff to repair all of the damage that has been inflicted on our nation in the eight years prior to his taking office? I have many more like questions, but I'm sure that I have driven my point home.
              Not only that, but I was hearing people in my area of the country actually blaming him for our fiscal and personal problems before he even officially took office. How can this be? Many in the country, at the very birth of this nation, wanted to have a royal leadership, as they had known in England and other nations of origination. But smarter people, including George Washington, demanded that that would be a catastrophe, in that it would pretty much render the fight for independence moot. Brilliant move. But now, it seems that we want our current to have all of the power in the world, and yet no power at all. This all is our doings, not the brilliant folks in the White House. There probably (in my opinion) has not been a more competent team of leaders and supporters than the President and his staff. But, we have tied his hands through our revolutionary-type votes and should be accepting the preponderance of the blame ourselves.

                Reply#12 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 4:43 PM EDT
                Runner99

                He allowed congress to spend like a new lottery winner. He had the Veto pen, and he should have used it. If this problem he inherited was 8 years in the making he should have seen the writing on the wall. The rest of us did and adjusted our home budgets accordingly. We tightned our belts until it hurt, he should have too.

                • 2 votes
                #12.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 4:48 PM EDT
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                HonestIndy

                The credit rating agency Standard & Poor's showed "terrible judgment" in lowering the U.S. government's credit rating, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Sunday.

                And runing up 16 trillion in debt was a sign of perfect judgement by politicians (both dem and republican).

                  Reply#13 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 8:27 PM EDT
                  Coral Atlas

                  mostly republicans for all the wrong reasons and democrats had no choice to save the economy ..... hindsight is 100% when your a republican ...

                  • 1 vote
                  #13.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:28 PM EDT
                  HonestIndy

                  And democrats are always perfect ... never a mistake... please stop drinking the kool-aid. The republicans and democrats are responsible for this mess. You can spend all day pointing the finger or you can be part of the solution

                  • 2 votes
                  #13.2 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 12:33 AM EDT
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                  aqua surf-1123675

                  Geithner, the flim flam man. When Obama leaves next year, he can take his financial joker with him.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#14 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:11 PM EDT
                  shining11

                  You're right there. Geithner was one of Obama's worst choices, now he asks him to stay?

                  • 1 vote
                  #14.1 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 8:08 PM EDT
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                  28az

                  You can blame anyone you like but it is both parties fault including your president, if you show a credit card company or your bank that you have less money coming in they will cut you back along with your credit rating going down. So why shouldn't our government rating go down since they are taking in less money and spending more.

                    Reply#15 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 1:09 PM EDT
                    bond15redDeleted
                    Castor Bridge

                    The federal debt is as much as the GDP and that's why it was downgraded. The dollar is not backed by gold. The fed prints money so they will never run out of money. The money will just not be worth anything. That's what happened to Germany after WWI and led to the rise of Hitler. This is serious stuff.

                      Reply#17 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 4:06 PM EDT
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