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Cameron vows `fightback' as Birmingham seethes

Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:31 PM EDT
world-news, business, eu, britain, riots
Danica Kirka, Associated Press
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<p>A property is on fire near Reeves Corner in Croydon, south London Tuesday, Aug. 9, 2011. A wave of violence and looting raged across London and spread to three other major British cities on Tuesday, as authorities struggled to contain the country's worst unrest since race riots set the capital ablaze in the 1980s. (AP Photo/PA, Lewis Whyld) UNITED KINGDOM OUT, NO SALES, NO ARCHIVE</p>

A property is on fire near Reeves Corner in Croydon, south London Tuesday, Aug. 9, 2011. A wave of violence and looting raged across London and spread to three other major British cities on Tuesday, as authorities struggled to contain the country's worst unrest since race riots set the capital ablaze in the 1980s. (AP Photo/PA, Lewis Whyld) UNITED KINGDOM OUT, NO SALES, NO ARCHIVE

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LONDON — Britain's prime minister hammered out a tough line against rioters Wednesday, determined to restore order and confidence on Britain's streets as extra police officers flooded the capital for a second day.

Even as Prime Minister David Cameron promised not to let a "culture of fear" take hold, tensions flared in Birmingham, where a murder probe was opened after three men were killed in a hit-and-run reportedly as they took to the streets to deter potential rioters.

"We needed a fightback and a fightback is under way," Cameron said in a somber televised statement outside his Downing Street office after a meeting of the nation's crisis committee. As if to underline his resolve, he underlined "nothing is off the table" — including water cannon, commonly used in Northern Ireland but never deployed in mainland Britain.

The number of arrests in London alone climbed to 805, with courts staffing around the clock to process alleged looters, vandals and thieves — including one as young as 11. Cameron has recalled Parliament from its summer recess for an emergency debate on the riots Thursday.

Outside the capital, in England's second largest city of Birmingham, police launched a murder investigation into the deaths of three men hit by a car. Residents said the dead men, aged 20 to 31, were members of Birmingham's South Asian communities who had been patrolling their neighborhood to keep it safe from looters.

"They lost their lives for other people, doing the job of the police," said witness Mohammed Shakiel, 34. "They weren't standing outside a mosque, a temple, a synagogue or a church — they were standing outside shops where everybody goes. They were protecting the community."

Tariq Jahan, whose 21-year-old son Haroon was killed, stood in a Birmingham street and pleaded with the South Asian community not to seek revenge against the car's occupants, reported to be black.

"Today we stand here to plead with all the youth to remain calm, for our community to stand united," he said.

"This is not a race issue. The family has received messages of sympathy and support from all parts of the community — all races, all faiths and backgrounds."

He remonstrated with angry young men, urging them to "grow up" and go home.

Chris Sims, chief constable of West Midlands Police, said a man had been arrested on suspicion of murder.

"The information we have at the moment would support the idea that the car was deliberately driven," he said, appealing for calm. "My concern would be that that single incident doesn't lead to a much wider level of distress and even violence between different communities."

The violence has revived debate about the Conservative-led government's austerity measures, which will slash 80 billion pounds ($130 billion) from public spending by 2015 to reduce the country's swollen budget deficit.

Cameron's government has slashed police budgets as part of the cuts. A report last month said the cuts will mean 16,000 fewer police officers by 2015.

London mayor Boris Johnson — like Cameron, a Conservative — broke with the government to say such cuts are wrong.

"That case was always pretty frail and it has been substantially weakened," he told BBC radio. "This is not a time to think about making substantial cuts in police numbers."

But in London, an eerie calm prevailed. Scenes of ransacked stores, torched cars and blackened buildings have frightened and outraged Britons just a year before their country is to host next summer's Olympic Games, bringing demands for a tougher response from law enforcement. Police across the country have made almost 1,200 arrests — including 800 in London — since the violence broke out in the capital on Saturday.

Armored vehicles and convoys of police vans backed up some 16,000 officers on duty — almost triple the number who were out Monday night. The show of force seems to have worked — there were no reports of major trouble in London on Tuesday night, although there were scores of arrests.

"What happened in London last night was, when community leaders and the police came together, there were significant arrests," said police deputy assistant chief constable Stephen Kavanagh. "Some looters were taken away before they got into doing anything, but it was that joint action that made the difference."

Britain's soccer authorities were talking with police to see whether this weekend's season-opening matches of the Premier League could still go ahead in London. A Wednesday match between England and the Netherlands at London's Wembley stadium was canceled.

Britain's riots began Saturday when an initially peaceful protest over a police shooting in London's Tottenham neighborhood turned violent. That clash has morphed into a general lawlessness in London and several other cities that police have struggled to halt.

While the rioters have run off with goods every teen wants — new sneakers, bikes, electronics and leather goods — they also have torched stores apparently just to see something burn. They were left virtually unchallenged in several neighborhoods, and when police did arrive they often were able to flee quickly and regroup.

Some residents stood guard to protect their neighborhoods — Sikhs protected their temple in Southall, west London, and some 1,000 far-right members reportedly took to the streets to deter rioters.

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Paisley Dodds, Meera Selva, David Stringer and Raphael Satter contributed to this report.

© 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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writer21177

Welcome to the Police State, coming to you soon in the USA. When there is no oppurtunity and prosperity only for the elite few this is what happens. Europe is simply foretelling the future of the USA, except here it will be guns instead of bats and water cannons.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:45 PM EDT
UNA_Lion

Don't forget cars:

Three men have been run over and killed as they protected property in a second night of violence in Birmingham.

The men aged 31, 30 and 21 were hit by a car in Winson Green. They were taken to City Hospital where about 200 people from the Asian community gathered.

Witnesses said the men were in a group protecting their community after riot police were called into the city.

Police have arrested a 32-year-old man who is being questioned on suspicion of murder following the deaths.

Haroon Jahan, 21, Shahzad Ali, 30, and Abdul Musavir, 31, were taken to hospital but died from their injuries.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:56 PM EDT
writer21177

Europe is making the US look downright civil despite the notion we are a bunch of gun toting maniacs. With the disgust and downright hatred a large portion of the population is currently feeling toward our inept and corrupt government at least we are still trying to bring change through our political system, the problem is it is not working.

How much are we willing to take or do we feel there is nothing we can do?

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:06 PM EDT
davetopper

Welcome to the Police State, coming to you soon in the USA. When there is no oppurtunity and prosperity only for the elite few this is what happens. Europe is simply foretelling the future of the USA, except here it will be guns instead of bats and water cannons.

It has been there and done that. Since 2009 3300 Americans have been arrested during peaceful protests. Coming soon? I believe it already is.

Haroon Jahan, 21, Shahzad Ali, 30, and Abdul Musavir, 31, were taken to hospital but died from their injuries.

Seems like a case that is unconnected to the riots. Just a man that has taken the opportunity to run with his anti multicultural hatred. The riots, as much about police aggression, are also about austerity measures. Keeping the rich earning their pay as the peasants get none.

How much are we willing to take or do we feel there is nothing we can do?

Our nation is woefully apathetic. There is a mindset "if it isn't happening to me it isn't happening". And if you try to tell them they theoretically stick their fingers in their ears. In any case their eyes gloss over. You just can't reach them.

When the this economic downturn leads to everyone going down by then it will be to late for the "I told you so".

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:03 PM EDT
writer21177

Woefully apathetic indeed. I thought the same thing "if it isn't happening to me...." until it happened to me. Had a lucrative career in the Insurance Industry until the company I worked for went belly up. Now it is scrape it to make it.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:08 PM EDT
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jonnice2others

I disagree. Respectfully of course.

    Reply#2 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:52 PM EDT
    common senz

    As do I

      #2.1 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:44 PM EDT
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      vol fan in chatt, tn

      The violence has revived debate about the Conservative-led government's austerity measures, which will slash 80 billion pounds ($130 billion) from public spending by 2015 to reduce the country's swollen budget deficit.

      Cameron's government has slashed police budgets as part of the cuts. A report last month said the cuts will mean 16,000 fewer police officers by 2015.

      London mayor Boris Johnson — like Cameron, a Conservative — broke with the government to say such cuts are wrong.

      "That case was always pretty frail and it has been substantially weakened," he told BBC radio. "This is not a time to think about making substantial cuts in police numbers."

      While the rioters have run off with goods every teen wants — new sneakers, bikes, electronics and leather goods — they also have torched stores apparently just to see something burn. They were left virtually unchallenged in several neighborhoods

      So you see who the targets are, right? People who work and provide the people in Britain with goods. Did you see the interview with woman as she was stealing stuff? She said she deserved it...it wasn't fair that she should do without... See this is exactly what happens when you

      a)have a nanny state and the government stealing through taxation from one class of people and redistributing to others.

      b) spend money you don't have, run out and try to rein in runaway spending...

      I would hope people in America could do better; but sadly, I see a whole bunch of people used to being given handouts from the government doing exactly the same thing...the ole class warfare brought to you by this ADM makes it highly possible and actually probable. Better be ready!

      • 7 votes
      Reply#3 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
      sms29s66

      That first pic looks like a fire in Diagon Alley--specifically the Weasley twins' fun shop.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#4 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:20 PM EDT
      Bill K. NY

      The UK has slowly ceded power to the culture of fear. Too late to turn back the clock. The real question is "will the UK be able to suppress and eliminate the culture of fear?" (In a way the is politically correct?)

      According to the left rioting is a basic human right.

        Reply#5 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:40 PM EDT
        common senz

        IMO They are doing the correct thing (the government). Hammer every one of those punks who are in the streets and jail them. If they are old enough to do the crime then they need to do the time. This is a classic example of children raised up without any parental input, poor personality traits, poor work ethics and on and on. Probably several reasons these idiot kids are out, but IMO JAIL them. As for this happening here in this country, get real... absolutely ridiculous.. but if it ever did I would recommend the same.. jail every one of them. What on earth does anyone from this country have to riot about? we are the most spoiled Nation on earth, our kids have never had it so good (and our fellow countrymen as well).. Ive been all over the world, Ive seen poverty.. LOL.. the US.. poverty? uh NO.. our poverty folks (if thats what you want to call it) live like kings compared to places ive seen (Africa, central and south America).. Even the poor and destitute in this country have it made.. and since we are on that topic you do realize that many of the poor in this country are so (in the position they are in) because they refuse to better themselves right?.. we have so many programs that we have programs to sort the programs.. we are SPOILED! and the English (those involved in this stupid riot) are right behind us.. Jail them..NOW!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#6 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:42 PM EDT
        writer21177

        Seems you are a firm supporter of the police state. US has the most people in prison of any 1st World country. Let me asked, is that a good thing?

        • 1 vote
        #6.1 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:49 PM EDT
        UNA_Lion

        Concur. What do prisons accomplish, other than to segregate criminals from society for a time, during which their hatred and criminal skills are considerably enhanced? After they're released, they become much more dangerous and effective criminals. Meanwhile, our tax dollars pay for the whole charade.

        • 1 vote
        #6.2 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:52 PM EDT
        writer21177

        The writer does not believe in right and wrong answers, but has many questions, whether thay are accepting public assitance in the form of some type of welfare or locked up in prison the hard working citizens of the UK pay either way. I met a couple from Birminhgham and I commented that the English people I do business with seem very well educated and exceedingly polite. She commented she felt the same way about Americans, apparently Birmingham is full of uneducated thugs and they moved here to get away.

          #6.3 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:58 PM EDT
          common senz

          Writer,

          No im no fan of a police state, not at all. I am a fan of self responsibility and self control. Be responsible for your actions and be humble. For anyone to go into the street and hurt people (even kill people), destroy public and private property, act like thugs and spoiled brats to me its unconscionable to act this way. Think of the property belonging to others that they destroyed, the hard work from those families that went into their business and belongings and now some idiots come along who they dont even know and burn thier place down or injure them or a family member, and for what? I would be furious if I lived there. The audacity of the rioters, its beyond crazy. As for those who break the law in this country execute them if they are 100% guilty, release those who are jailed for minor offenses, (like an ounce or two of pot, a fight, etc.. we have many people locked up for stupid reasons). Those that deserve it though stay put.

          • 1 vote
          #6.4 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:52 PM EDT
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          common senz

          vol fan, BTW a great post. I completely agree.

            Reply#7 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:43 PM EDT
            writer21177

            "Anarchy in the UK" Johnny Rotten must be somewhere smiling...

              Reply#8 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:47 PM EDT
              katrix

              What idiots. Then they'll bitch later because no shopkeepers want to open stores because of this sort of thing. Don't they realize the people they're hurting are working class people?

                Reply#9 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
                J-DOGGIN

                Sounds like we need a moral compass. Maybe Islam is the way to go. (sarcasm)

                  Reply#10 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:59 PM EDT
                  euterpe-1641499

                  This is what you get when you have extreme separation of wealth. The youth are heavily unemployed; they're broke, see a hopeless future, and have a lot of time on their hands.

                  Their behavior is a disgrace; but we can't stop at simple condemnation, which is easy to fling, but does absolutely zero in terms of creating a positive change. Britain, America, and the rest of the world need to address the global crises of too much money in to few hands. Otherwise, the streets will run amok with violence, and the wealthy will imprison themselves behind wrought-iron fences to protect themselves. It isn't a pretty societal picture.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#11 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:02 PM EDT
                  Bill K. NY

                  This is the result of the welfare state the left has been holding up as a shining example for America. At least they have socialized medicine to treat all the injured for free.

                    Reply#12 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:10 PM EDT
                    Reverend Johnson

                    Simple answer for England. Too hell with the baseball bats adopt the US Constitution's 2nd amendment. It's very difficult to make a person strip their clothes off when they pull a 9mm out and pop a cap in your ass. And you never know who's packing.

                    Problem solved. Thanks founding fathers !

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#13 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:13 PM EDT
                    quartierleblanc

                    Have England sell hunting permits for rioters to the NRA and we'll have the problem cleaned up pronto.

                      Reply#14 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:53 PM EDT
                      Rob-3639839

                      Wow ,Don't know what I could add to all the interesting comments here. Just one thought I had though,I have heard a recurring theme in many blogs about the hopelessness of youth to find a job so hence the bad behavior.....I even heard the word Disgraceful.......Criminality by a large youthful group is not really hard to percieve......Hormones + dope + alcohol + group frenzy and you have yourself a bona-fide uncontrolable situation.These people tend to get the attention and derail those who have a real issue to rally about.This started as a peaceful demonstration and then the idiots got involved and it became what you see on T.V. Will this happen here...YES....kids see what is going on and their little pea brains say...HEY THAT LOOKS LIKE FUN......lets start some stuff and maybe we will even meet some girls.They do not think about what they will hurt or who...they do not care.This is a me generation and if me does not get what you have me will take it.Sad but true.

                        Reply#15 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:54 PM EDT
                        gtbdave

                        You got a whole bunch of them now, Gadhafi, Mubarak, really all those guys in the Middle East, then you have Cameron, and Walker, it's getting to be quite a big club. What makes these guys so hated, that you would have governments topple, riots, protesting, etc.? Seems like they would all be happy campers, you don't really need jobs, money, income, well maybe some, they say some of those ME'ers get by on like a dollar a day, gas was like 60 cents a gallon. It's like the old plantation days, all those workers, or slaves, were actually pretty happy. They probably didn't even know they were slaves. They were just singing all the time, making up songs. Pretty happy, really.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#16 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:09 PM EDT
                        quartierleblanc

                        Walker? You gotta be kidding me lib. He was ELECTED. Get over it and get a job.

                          Reply#17 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:29 PM EDT
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