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Vast ice island set to break off Greenland glacier

Thu Sep 1, 2011 10:43 AM EDT
science, weather, only-on-msnbc-com, climate-change, new-york-times, ice, greenland, energy-independence, glacier, petermann-glacier
msnbc.com News — Ian Johnston, msnbc.com - Only on msnbc.com

Byrd Polar Research Center, Ohio

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— New photographs taken of a vast glacier in northern Greenland have revealed the astonishing rate of its breakup, with one scientist saying he was rendered "speechless."

In August 2010, part of the Petermann Glacier about four times the size of Manhattan island broke off, prompting a hearing in Congress.

Researcher Alun Hubbard, of the Centre for Glaciology at Aberystwyth University, U.K., told msnbc.com by phone that another section, about twice the size of Manhattan, appeared close to breaking off.

In 2009, scientists installed GPS masts on the glacier to track its movement.

But when they returned in July this year, they found the ice had been melting so quickly — at an unexpected 16-and-a-half feet in two years — that some of the masts stuck into the glacier were no longer in position.

Hubbard, who has been working with Jason Box, of Ohio State University, and others, said in a statement issued by the Byrd Polar Research Center that scientists were still trying to work out how fast the glacier was moving and the effect on the ice sheet feeding the glacier.

'Really weird'
But he said he was taken aback by the difference between 2009 and 2011 when he visited the glacier in late July.

"Although I knew what to expect in terms of ice loss from satellite imagery, I was still completely unprepared for the gob-smacking scale of the break-up, which rendered me speechless," he said in the statement.

"I'm very familiar with the glacier. It's very hard to sort of envisage something so big not being there ... to come back and basically see an ice shelf has disappeared, which is 20 kilometers across (about 12 miles) ... I was speechless and started laughing because I couldn't sort of believe it," Hubbard added, speaking to msnbc.com.

"It was really weird when the helicopter first came over," he added.

Hubbard told msnbc.com that he had gone to the glacier to recover instruments used to monitor the glacier and time-lapse photographs.

"What I saw there is this ice shelf is riddled with rifts and cracks. You can see another big rift another 10 to 15 kilometers (6 to 9 miles) back into" the glacier, he said.

Hubbard said the large rift, which the researchers have dubbed "The Big Kahuna," was getting bigger. He was cautious about predicting when it would create a new vast ice island, but said it could happen "maybe next year, something like that."

'Abnormally warm'
He said while sea glacier's "calving" of ice bergs was a natural process, they were witnessing something out of the ordinary.

"The break-off last year is bigger than anything seen for at least 150 years," Hubbard said.

"This region (northern Greenland) is experiencing temperatures which are abnormally warm ... I think the far northwest of Greenland is seeing a kind of new regime of climate," he added.

The Humbolt Glacier, the widest in the northern hemisphere, is also retreating, Hubbard said. He said he was not a climate scientist, but said the pattern of ice melting in the area was "a definite consequence of climate change and global warming."

Writing in the Annals of Glaciology journal, published on Aug. 22, the researchers said Greenland's glaciers had collectively lost 592.6 square miles of ice between 2000 and 2010.

The August 2010 "calving" event saw the creation of an ice island of 112 square miles, causing the Petermann Glacier to retreat by about 8 miles.

The island contained enough water to keep the Delaware or Hudson rivers flowing for two years or to provide the entire U.S. with tap water for 120 days, Andreas Muenchow, professor of ocean science and engineering at the University of Delaware, said at the time.

The Byrd center statement, which summarized the journal report, said while this loss of ice was "extreme compared with others ... it is part of a larger pattern of ice area loss concentrated in north Greenland."

Twice as many glaciers are retreating as the number that are advancing, and the area of ice lost was nine times the amount gained, the researchers found.

'Harbinger of many changes'
At the Congressional hearing in August 2010, the then chairman of the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, Rep. Edward Markey, said the melting of the Greenland ice sheet was "but one harbinger of the many changes to come."

"Scientists, skeptical by both nature and training, always urge a dose of caution when looking at any one event as evidence of climate change," he said in his opening statement. "This level of professional skepticism is what makes the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is real and caused by man all the more powerful."

Markey listed extreme weather events, such as a record-breaking heatwave and drought in Russia, extreme floods in Asia, record-breaking temperatures on the Eastern Seaboard of the United States and "mega storms and floods" in many parts of the country.

"Take a step back from these individual pieces and we see a mosaic that could not be clearer. Our world is becoming less hospitable with every passing year," he added.

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Jainjane

Well I'm sure everything is under control and the empire will inform us of any news.
It'll be fine ;(

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Sep 1, 2011 10:21 AM EDT
Roxanne2Sweet

That's strange...

according to WattsUpWithThat and Spaceguy, the arctic's meltdown is not occurring or not accelerating.

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Sep 1, 2011 10:49 AM EDT
cjcold

But they have to make a living. Even if that "living" is right up there with selling heroin to children.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Mon Sep 5, 2011 7:43 AM EDT
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bigsaf

Climate deniers...the game is up. Stop with the stupidity, obfuscation and deliberate obstruction.

  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Sep 1, 2011 3:33 PM EDT
Tim S.-560036

"Scientists, skeptical by both nature and training, always urge a dose of caution when looking at any one event as evidence of climate change," he said in his opening statement. "This level of professional skepticism is what makes the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is real and caused by man all the more powerful."

"Take a step back from these individual pieces and we see a mosaic that could not be clearer. Our world is becoming less hospitable with every passing year," he added.

These two thoughts are among the most crucial in a general understanding of the urgency and magnitude of this process to me. Take a step back and look at the whole picture. It is undeniable by honest people that the climate is changing. And to get the natural skeptics that make up the scientific community to agree on something at better than 90%, is a phenomenal achievement and an indication of the reality of the topic.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Sep 1, 2011 7:25 PM EDT
jpokergman

It seems that the melt to ice ratio is around 2:1. That seems like a tremendous amount of fresh water to be salinated in the North Atlantic.

I wonder what the effects are on Plankton, and the food chain. Any thoughts in that specific area?

Also is there any speculation on the abundance change in Thorium-230 ? If it is even relevant?

Also does anyone have any thoughts about pollen? And what we may expect in the next few years. I appreciate any and all serious feedback.

Thank you.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Sep 1, 2011 8:07 PM EDT
Michael in S J

That seems like a tremendous amount of fresh water to be salinated in the North Atlantic.

For more exciting news, read up on the "Oceanic Conveyor Belt" at:

http://oceanmotion.org/html/background/ocean-conveyor-belt.htm

    Reply#6 - Fri Sep 2, 2011 1:08 PM EDT
    cjcold

    Mister president. It's time to take a stand and stop being the far right's bitch. One can only negotiate with those who are willing to negotiate.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#7 - Mon Sep 5, 2011 8:26 AM EDT
    katlin

    climate change only means no one knows whether things are warming up or cooling off or anything in between---in other words they're only guessing but they'll use it to try to scam money out of people by scaring them....glaciers have been melting and reforming for ever..it's a natural cycle of earth..& the earths's climate changed many times including at least 3 ice ages.....climate change is real , yes but so are the 4 seasons and has nothing to do with man's activity, and money or "green" techno won't change it and that's the scam....I'm sure if you guys were around when the ice age burg's were melting, you'd be trying to panic people then also and it turned out to be not so bad for us..

    • 1 vote
    Reply#8 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:00 AM EDT
    Pat P11111

    We need to start running adds that coincide with extreme temperatures in the US. We should target conservative states where climate deniers are a significant portion of the population.

    All they need is to show people denying climate change followed by local temperatures and end with the question, "Is it hot enough to change your mind yet?"

    We could start in Texas this summer.

    The majority of those deniers have been told repeatedly that human climate change is a lie. We need to link the heat they feel with the facts of the matter.

    We cannot win these people over with simple reason we must use emotion, feelings.

    Certainly some will never recover from the brainwashing but some will. If we keep relying on facts alone none will.

    I know this methodology runs counter to the science driven climate change community but we must face these facts. When reason doesn't change minds what will?

    We must appeal to the emotion. Reattach these people to reality by linking the heat they are experiencing with climate change even with out an absolutely clear link.

    Leadership does not rely on reason but emotion. When Martin Luther King said, "I have a Dream" we all knew it was unattainable but how many followed that dream? How many still hear and follow that dream today? He was not appealing to our reason but our emotion.

    When the next scorching record temperature hits we should have a simple add ready to go. As the sweat runs down their face we must ask again and again,

    "Is it hot enough to change your mind yet?"

      Reply#9 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:25 PM EST
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