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Treasury probes $528M loan to bankrupt solar firm

Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:46 PM EDT
business, politics, us, investigation, solar, treasury-department, manufacturer
Matthew Daly, Associated Press
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<p>FILE - In this Aug. 31, 2011, file photo, Solyndra workers leave Solyndra in Fremont, Calif. Leaders of a House panel say they plan to make Obama administration officials answer for putting taxpayers on the hook for a half-billion dollar loan that went to a now-bankrupt solar panel manufacturer.  The panel is conducting a hearing Wednesday, Sept. 14, 2011, that will examine what went wrong with the company which had received a federal loan of nearly $528 million and recently filed for bankruptcy.  (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma, File)</p>

FILE - In this Aug. 31, 2011, file photo, Solyndra workers leave Solyndra in Fremont, Calif. Leaders of a House panel say they plan to make Obama administration officials answer for putting taxpayers on the hook for a half-billion dollar loan that went to a now-bankrupt solar panel manufacturer. The panel is conducting a hearing Wednesday, Sept. 14, 2011, that will examine what went wrong with the company which had received a federal loan of nearly $528 million and recently filed for bankruptcy. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma, File)

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WASHINGTON — The Treasury Department's inspector general has opened an investigation of a $528 million government loan to Solyndra Inc., the now-bankrupt solar panel manufacturer once cited as a model of the Obama administration's clean energy program.

A spokesman said Thursday that the inspector general is reviewing the role and actions of the Federal Financing Bank, a government corporation supervised by the Treasury Department. The bank provided the low-interest loan to the Fremont, Calif.-based company.

The Treasury investigation is the latest government inquiry into the collapse of Solyndra, which filed for bankruptcy last month.

The FBI has executed search warrants at Solyndra's headquarters and talked to top executives. The Energy Department's inspector general and the House Energy and Commerce Committee also are investigating Solyndra and the DOE's Energy Loan Program, which has provided billions in loan guarantees to renewable energy companies.

The loan guarantees essentially make it easier for the companies to get financing, because the government guarantees repayment in the event of default. In Solyndra's case, the loan came from the government itself, but private banks often provide the financing.

The Obama administration is moving to finalize as many as 15 loan guarantees for renewable energy companies before a federal stimulus program ends on Sept. 30. Republicans question whether that could lead to more loans to companies that fail like Solyndra.

A spokesman for the Energy Department said the department won't take any shortcuts during the approval process.

"We will only close the deals that are ready to close on Sept. 30," said spokesman Damien LaVera.

The House energy committee released documents Wednesday that appeared to show senior staff at the White House Office of Management and Budget chafing about having to conduct "rushed approvals" of a loan guarantee for Solyndra.

Republican members of the committee said the emails raised questions about whether the loan was rushed to accommodate a Solyndra groundbreaking ceremony in September 2009 that featured Vice President Joe Biden and Energy Secretary Steven Chu.

"We would prefer to have sufficient time to do our due diligence reviews and have the approval set the date for the announcement rather than the other way around," said one of the emails from an unidentified OMB aide to Biden's office.

In another email exchange obtained by the committee, an Energy Department official asked a staff member at OMB if "there is anything we can speed along on the OMB side." Again, neither official was identified.

"I would prefer that this announcement be postponed," the OMB official replied. "This is the first loan guarantee and we should have full review with all hands on deck to make sure we get it right."

White House spokesman Jay Carney said Wednesday the emails don't suggest that the White House was pushing for the loan to be made.

"What the emails make clear is there was urgency to make a decision on a scheduling matter," Carney told reporters at the White House. "It is a big proposition to move the president or to put on an event and that sort of thing so people were simply looking for answers about whether or not people could move forward."

"It had nothing to — and there is no evidence to the contrary — nothing to do with anything besides the need to get an answer to make a scheduling decision," he said.

Solyndra once was the showcase for President Barack Obama's efforts to increase investment in renewable energy and to generate jobs. But the marketplace for its products changed dramatically over the past year. Chinese companies have flooded the market with inexpensive solar energy panels, and Europe's economy weakened demand from customers. The result has been an unprecedented drop in solar cell prices this year. Two other solar panel manufacturers also filed for bankruptcy in the past month.

Administration officials stressed that private investors thought so highly of Solyndra's prospects that they put more than $1 billion of their own money into the company.

But Republicans on the panel said there appeared to be a rush in approving financing for Solyndra, and they expressed concern that a similar rush may be taking place now with agreements that would have the federal government guaranteeing an additional $10 billion in loans if all the guarantees are approved before Sept. 30.

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Associated Press Writer Kevin Freking contributed to this story.

© 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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newwtricks

For someone who has never run a business, Obama sure knows a "model business" when he sees one.

Where did 528 million dollars go? Is there any inventory? Assets? Recievables? Contracts? How do you make 528 million dollars disappear in such a short period of time?

Hopefully, we won't learn that someone at Solyndra knows someone in the White House, and that someone in the White House made a chunk of change on this deal. That would be just awful. Or worse, if Solyndra knew they had no business plan, and still took the loan, ouch.

  • 16 votes
#1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:56 PM EDT
FlyingEnergy

I suspect they lied about their prospects for the future. Then they spent huge amounts of money on Bonuses and payroll after getting the loan. There are clean energy companies that are doing well that also got government support. But I'm pretty sure this one succumbed to greedy management.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:07 PM EDT
California Militia

how did they make 500million disappear so quickly,

i would guess they put it all on black.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:38 PM EDT
Greenwood10

What do you expect from a "community organizer"? Not voting for him was one of the easiest decisions I ever made.

  • 12 votes
#1.3 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:13 PM EDT
American Dreams

th article said :

The Obama administration is moving to finalize as many as 15 loan guarantees for renewable energy companies before a federal stimulus program ends on Sept. 30. Republicans question whether that could lead to more loans to companies that fail like Solyndra.

A spokesman for the Energy Department said the department won't take any shortcuts during the approval process.

"We will only close the deals that are ready to close on Sept. 30," said spokesman Damien LaVera.

The loan guarantees essentially make it easier for the companies to get financing, because the government guarantees repayment in the event of default. In Solyndra's case, the loan came from the government itself, but private banks often provide the financing.

Considering the Treasury Departments probe would it make better political sense and show more sound judgement to pump the brakes on these approval until such time as these "green companies" can be closely vetted and their solvency evaluated? I think the only "green" involved with Solyndra and the upcoming loans is the green money the backers will be receiving under the tables. NEVER trust the government and the Banks when they are in bed together.

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:14 PM EDT
snarky68

Is it just me or does anyone else hear a paper shredder running?

The Obama administration is moving to finalize as many as 15 loan guarantees for renewable energy companies before a federal stimulus program ends on Sept. 30.

WTH?? $528 mil defaulted and they are still handing out loans?? How many cut school programs could have been saved with that money?

  • 10 votes
#1.5 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:22 PM EDT
stew.pidbeatch

This is absolutely ridiculous - and a full investigation should be launched. I hope any and all that are guilty of wrongdoing are punished.

I'm not a huge Obama fan - but I am a fan of his interest in the Fed Gov't investing in renewable energy sources, American technology, and our fuels of the future. However, a half a billion dollars is a bit of an excessive "investment" by the American people. For my part, I want some accountability from the business and those that authorized the loan.

Hopefully, we won't learn that someone at Solyndra knows someone in the White House, and that someone in the White House made a chunk of change on this deal.

Man I hope so, too. With Cheney and the Haliburton awards, now this. It seems politics is just a method to make your cronies richer. And man, I know the *wrong* people!

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:30 PM EDT
American Dreams

A key question is whether Solyndra's political connections were a factor. A big Obama donor associated with the venture, identified by the Post as Tulsa billionaire George Kaiser, repeatedly visited the White House. He has denied using his influence to win approval of the loan.

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/14/7759207-white-house-ignored-red-flags-in-loan-to-failed-solar-company

This whole thing just gets to smelling worse and worse. I wonder if we should place some charcoal laced nose plugs in our nostrils, pull up our lawn chairs, place a cooler of cold drinks close at hand, open that bag of stale popcorn we bought last week atgrocery store, sit back and enjoy the dog and pony show Obama's administration will preform to appease the Treasury Dept.

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:58 PM EDT
jackjack-712749

And we are all surprised by this?

The only "green" in green energy is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Ask Uncle Gore..........................

  • 7 votes
#1.8 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:05 PM EDT
Lady Bug

Jack

No better words have been said today!

  • 5 votes
#1.9 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:27 PM EDT
BLOGER-486140

Bad investment and poor oversight and a gross underestimate of foreign competition and there is an investigation. Is it any worse than the tens of billions the last Republican Regime wasted on private contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan. That was pure crony capitalist waste and deliberate fraud, at least this current mess was an attempt to do something constructive that would benefit everyone not just Republican Big Wigs.

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:50 PM EDT
WoodieRae-3499404

No, it's not worse. It's the same old sheet; different day. As long as we have greed, we will have corruption. Paint it red, blue, or purple with gullible polka dots, but it's all the same.

Heavy sigh.

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:01 PM EDT
chitownty

Nothing wrong has been found as of late,let's not jump to conclusions.

    #1.12 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT
    xrayspex

    What's truly aggravating is that this sets the U.S. further behind in the manufacturing of clean energy technologies, something I strongly support in the private sector (as long as it isn't crammed down our throats by Govco. mandates). Another example of the failure of leadership of this administration, because it betrays the administration's clean energy agenda and paints legitimate green businesses with the brush of the fraud involved in this scandal!!

    What is also truly aggravating is the fact that the end loser in this (as always) is the American worker. I'd bet most of the workers who lost jobs in this shameful scam weren't greenies just folks happy to have a job in the suck a$$ economy that is the fault of BOTH of our sorry a$$ political parties !!

      #1.13 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:05 PM EDT
      WoodieRae-3499404

      chitownty does not want us to jump to conclusions. His/her suggestion is wise. Think about it from the alarmist's standpoint: If we panic and shut down green energy, who wins? Big oil. Who is sounding these alarms? If'n it's the Tea, Party of Red, I'd be suspicious of their motives. If'n it's Blue, I'd still want to know of affiliate relationships with Big Oil.

        #1.14 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:18 PM EDT
        chitownty

        Even IF this company is found to have done something wrong,the anti-green,pro-oil lobbies will use it to disparage any and all green initiatives.You can already see it happening.

        • 1 vote
        #1.15 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT
        jkrystof

        The government shouldn't be in the business of investing in corporations like this. The governments motivation behind it is not the same as a private investor. A private investor would look at the industry, growth potential, management team and more. The government disregards common investment practices simply because it's not THEIR money. What a joke. Can we please get some real effective leadership around here.

        • 3 votes
        #1.16 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:40 PM EDT
        Chuck1968

        . A private investor would look at the industry, growth potential, management team and more. The government disregards common investment practices simply because it's not THEIR money. What a joke. Can we please get some real effective leadership around here

        The private investors crashed the economy over valuing securities. Many investors have put money into companies that fail ...it happens every day. All is written off as bankruptcy without a second thought and yet that's the tax payers taking on that bad debt from those welfare sucking wealthy investors.

        Why arent conservatives pissing and moaning about that? as well as allowing those same investors who take off losses on their taxes from stock sale losses every year?

        The only reason this being puffed up into this huge deal is because it was Obama that invested in green energy and the conservatives need to continually pump out anti Obama propaganda, it goes right along with the "chintzy paper clip" show of desperation as their hate consumes them....

        • 3 votes
        #1.17 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:03 PM EDT
        Ptolemy-k

        The only "green" in green energy is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

        Apparently, the Chinese see it differently, or they – at the very least – understand the issue (& its urgency) more clearly. Are we really interested in allowing the Chinese to “beat us to the punch” with this technology & new market?

        If Republicans in Congress & Conservatives on this thread had their way, the Russian’s probably would have beaten us to the moon.

        • 3 votes
        #1.18 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:08 PM EDT
        Mac-295039

        This is something that the administration is not too keen to bring up or really answer that many questions. It could be a number of variations and potential "what if scenario" type answers. Maybe President Obama looked past the really bad reports in order to bring a potential company to the media front spot light in order to promote this administration's "go green" agenda. Many Americans have no issue with the green piece so long as you make a considerable effort to conduct a transition piece. While we are talking about solar panels the President spoke to Brazil and said we need their oil. So we lost a half a billion in tax payer money.

        How much has been lost since the 1970s to the present in every failed bailout that the US govt has conducted for American companies that run themselves into the ground? Is it over a Trillion yet? 9 out of 10 failed and it did nothing but ensure big banks were covered on poor planning high risk loans with the backing of the US treasury. (another reason that the US Federal Reserve needs to be put in check because it's more of a banking cartel than anything positive)

        How much is this current agenda in forming big business nothing more than seeking votes? All I got from the President's speech was this bill is for:

        1. teachers (union)

        2. construction workers (some union depending on their specific skill set)

        3. governement employees

        Do we really need a bullet train right now in the US? Is anyone just dying to run to AMTRACK and buy a ticket? Where does one sign up? Didn't we just do this same crap a few months ago and the President said, it didn't work out like they had planned it? We can't build a Boeing plant in SC because it won't be a total union location so instead we allow union leadership to stall the site which would hire several thousands workers. That makes sense. General Electric which is the top choice for President Obama is about to assist with a huge deal with the Chinese areospace industry to beat US aircraft manufactuers? China will receive a mass upgrade in their systems which the Chinese has assured the US defense department that this is merely for "commercial aircraft" and would not be used to assist with their advance fighter program? GE CEO is President Obama's "Business Czar". So thousand plus US jobs and skill sets are now heading to the PRC? Does this make sense? Apparently the President doesn't want any Americans buying foreign cars he wants the Far East to buy American made vehicles but we'll ship the jobs over there if needed.

        How much was spent in Iraq and Afghanistan? Countless billions. A lot went to complete fraud and a lot more is now sitting in various foreign bank accounts for Hamid Karzi and his narcotics backed family members and friends. When Afghanistan crumples from within, rest assured that the smiling Karzi along with his family members will be earning millions in interest sitting on a non-US legal extradition safe-location somewhere. Another billions lost due to poor management and lack of oversight within the US govt during Bush jr on the contracts awarded that provided little to no actual jobs. Add another billions in pay offs and kick backs received to Iraqi individuals who conducted the tradition Middle Eastern method of seeking payments before contracts can be awarded. Remember it wasn't the Iraqi government's own money this was money that the US had dumped into their general accounts.

        Think of a armor car stopping at the lowest poverty stricken area in America and have two guards walk out and hand the local crackhead bags of money and tell him, "now you are going to guard this money okay (wink wink), don't go out and spend it on yourself, build a school or pay your hookers their back wages...." Then drive off and hope for the best. That way everyone can act stupid and say, "it wasn't me it was the other guy."

        The last 30 years we have sold out our country and our work force for a really cheap price. So glad to see the leadership can do nothing but seek block votes. Nothing will get done nor accomplished and our country will roll right off a cliff with these people at the steering wheel and say "trust me, I know what I am doing."

        • 1 vote
        #1.19 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:10 PM EDT
        radar015

        Unfortunately, we don't have much of a choice and we may get taken to the cleaners once in a while. Green Energy is too important and essential to our survival as a nation to leave this only in the hands of private enterprise. Private industry might not be up to the task and unable to do it. Private industry could not have built Hoover Dam, it took a nation. The government should heavily subsidize private industry, but to ensure the development of Green Energy, government needs to be a main player in development and production of Green Energy. If both private industry and government can't make Green Energy viable, this nation is no longer viable and on borrowed time. Whether we do nothing or whether we fail, the result will be the same. There is therefore no choice, we must proceed with this effort no matter what. But all that said, hell, let the government take over this company for pennies on the dollar! With a bargain like that, they could sell these solar panels real cheap and still make a pretty good profit! The government could flood the market with cheap solar panels. The ones who really lose out are the ones who started the company and are stuck with the losses. The government should have done this also with those banks and investment firms instead of bailing them out

        • 1 vote
        #1.20 - Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:28 PM EDT
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        Charmonium

        If only we had a little faith in the free market system.

        • 2 votes
        #2 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
        onipup

        We do have faith in the free market system. barry just had to spend 1/2 billion of our money to get an education on the in's and out's of how it worked.

        • 5 votes
        #2.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:21 PM EDT
        Mary-471639

        It’s often claimed that the Solyndra loan guarantee was “rushed through” by the Obama Administration for political reasons. In fact, the Solyndra loan guarantee was a multi-year process that the Bush Administration launched in 2007.

        http://carloz.newsvine.com/_news/2011/09/15/7771364-exclusive-timeline-bush-administration-advanced-solyndra-loan-guarantee-for-two-years-media-ignores-story

        • 5 votes
        #2.2 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:40 PM EDT
        FlyingEnergy

        Thanks for that Mary, now your gonna ruin the, "I hate Obama parade". If these dofs ever checked their facts they might just sound inteligent. But then again they wouldn't be Republicans.

        But I must say, If I got 1billion dollars in working capitol I could probably make an antarctic Ice factory profitable.

        • 2 votes
        #2.3 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:57 PM EDT
        California Militia

        i dont remember bush standing in front of the company saying they were the "future" of energy in the US.

        but then blame bush does have a nice ring to it.

        • 2 votes
        #2.4 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:58 PM EDT
        jackjack-712749

        Cal Mil,

        Its the only ring tone they have.

        • 3 votes
        #2.5 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:07 PM EDT
        nobody-3221875

        Solyndra once was the showcase for President Barack Obama's efforts to increase investment in renewable energy and to generate jobs. But the marketplace for its products changed dramatically over the past year. Chinese companies have flooded the market with inexpensive solar energy panels, and Europe's economy weakened demand from customers. The result has been an unprecedented drop in solar cell prices this year. Two other solar panel manufacturers also filed for bankruptcy in the past month.

        Administration officials stressed that private investors thought so highly of Solyndra's prospects that they put more than $1 billion of their own money into the company.

        I bolded the part about the Chinese. In '06 I got laid off from a good paying job in steel manufacturing because of Chinese competition. I blame Bush for sh*tty trade policy and I blame Obama for carrying on with the same sh*tty policy. Unless we address the 800lb gorilla on the other side of the Pacific this kind of bullcrap is just gonna keep happening here.

        • 2 votes
        #2.6 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:32 PM EDT
        Just Saying-3894877

        Mary did you take the time to investigate further that the Bush administration denied the loan in the last few months of his presidency. The approval was pushed for by obama.

        • 6 votes
        #2.7 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:33 PM EDT
        keith in DSM

        And, under what administration are they investigating this. I think the administration knows it has been duped. Damned Obama. Yea, right! You kids are funny.

          #2.8 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:48 PM EDT
          newwtricks

          If these dofs ever checked their facts they might just sound inteligent.

          Flying Energy:

          Don't you hate it when things you post on the web come back to bite you later?

          Mary did you take the time to investigate further that the Bush administration denied the loan in the last few months of his presidency. The approval was pushed for by obama.

          But hey, it can happen to anyone, even a Democrat.

          Have a nice day.

          • 2 votes
          #2.9 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:32 PM EDT
          Ryan-

          Mary, that's completely untrue, your just pushing the lie/spin the Dems put out there. Solyndra was denied under Bush.

          • 2 votes
          #2.10 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:34 PM EDT
          keith in DSM

          Ryan,

          Mary, that's completely untrue, your just pushing the lie/spin the Dems put out there. Solyndra was denied under Bush.

          Bush was an oil man, not a green man. Could that possibly have anything to do with the Bush administration rejection? Don't know myself; just a question to ponder.

          • 1 vote
          #2.11 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:41 PM EDT
          Ryan-

          No...Bush understood that oil was important to the nations security, but nothing more than that.

          What's funny is, Bush actually built a "green" home, that has all the top green technologies throughout. Which is the total opposite of the leaders on the Left pushing "green" living in their big foot homes.....

          • 4 votes
          #2.12 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:02 PM EDT
          American Dreams

          true bush's Crawford home is one of the greenest homes ever built at the time. It remains a very green building even by today's standards. It ncorporated many green, state of the art systems during it's construction...not added on afterwards or years later like Al Gore's palatial estate required once he started pushing his carbon foot print stuff.

          http://www.hootsystems.com/environmental/pdffolder/bush.pdf

          Could it be that Bush rejected the loan for Solyndra because his spider senses were tingling and he knew it was a shady deal? OH no, you couldn't admit that was a possibility because in your opinion Bush is too damn dumb to tie his own shoe laces, let alone made a intellingent choice. TO admit that would also be admitting Obama's duplicity in this scandal.

          • 4 votes
          #2.13 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:21 PM EDT
          FlyingEnergy

          ...Bush understood that oil was important to the nations security

          I think Keith is talking about the fact that Bush Sr. And Bush Jr. both owned oil companies.

          And newwtricks, nothing has bit me in the ass. I am not suprised the Bush admin turned it down for the reason stated above. Secondly, I think when the investigation is over we will find out where the money really went, until then I will hold my breath in anticipation.

          • 2 votes
          #2.14 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:24 PM EDT
          newwtricks

          Flying Energy:

          You remind me of a kid I went to school with. When told there were 50 states, he said Uhm no, there are 57 states. And he never backed down from that opinion. Wonder what ever happened to him?

          But, to make the statement that others don't check the facts, when it was your friend Mary who actually didn't check the facts, and then try to spin it to say "I am not surprised the Bush admin turned it down..." is what reminds me of that friend of mine.

          Rather than admit the obvious, you will go down in flames and continue to show that you would rather be totally wrong and continue to be wrong and call yourself a good Democrat, then to admit that maybe Bush and his admin wasn't that bad after all. Or that maybe it is more than just Republicans who don't check facts.

          Yes, the investigation will show that there was a problem with the Solyndra loan approval. In that I have no doubt. What I am trying to determine is how you will try to spin it to being Bush's fault.

          Even if they find deposit tickets from Solyndra to Obama, dated in 2010, you will still somehow blame Bush. That much we know is true.

          • 3 votes
          #2.15 - Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:11 AM EDT
          Ryan-

          Even if they find deposit tickets from Solyndra to Obama, dated in 2010, you will still somehow blame Bush. That much we know is true.

          Isn't that the truth....

          • 2 votes
          #2.16 - Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:01 PM EDT
          radar015

          Unfortunately, we don't have much of a choice and we may get taken to the cleaners once in a while. Green Energy is too important and essential to our survival as a nation to leave this only in the hands of private enterprise. Private industry might not be up to the task and unable to do it. Private industry could not have built Hoover Dam, it took a nation. The government should heavily subsidize private industry, but to ensure the development of Green Energy, government needs to be a main player in development and production of Green Energy. If both private industry and government can't make Green Energy viable, this nation is no longer viable and on borrowed time. Whether we do nothing or whether we fail, the result will be the same. There is therefore no choice, we must proceed with this effort no matter what. But all that said, hell, let the government take over this company for pennies on the dollar! With a bargain like that, they could sell these solar panels real cheap and still make a pretty good profit! The government could flood the market with cheap solar panels. The ones who really lose out are the ones who started the company and are stuck with the losses. The government should have done this also with those banks and investment firms instead of bailing them out

          • 2 votes
          #2.17 - Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:40 PM EDT
          nobody-3221875

          Could it be that Bush rejected the loan for Solyndra because his spider senses were tingling and he knew it was a shady deal? OH no, you couldn't admit that was a possibility because in your opinion Bush is too damn dumb to tie his own shoe laces, let alone made a intellingent choice. TO admit that would also be admitting Obama's duplicity in this scandal.

          As far as I know, venture capitalists put about a billion dollars of they're own money into Solyndra. No one thought this company was going anywhere but up until it went tango uniform. You're trying to spin this that Bush personally rejected the loan which is patently false. The Bush admin tried to get the loan conditionally approved before Obama took office and the DoE rejected it. And don't try the old "stop blaming Bush" routine. I know damn well China is the reason Solyndra went bankrupt.

          • 2 votes
          #2.18 - Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:00 PM EDT
          FlyingEnergy

          Right, ok you all can keep bashing me if you want. But if you real republicans and think your supply side B.S. is going to work why don't you look at some history.

          1. It is true that the economy grew quite fast from 1983 to 1989 but such a pickup in growth was a standard recovery of growth and fall of unemployment from the depths of the severe recession of 1981-1982 (the unemployment rate went above 10% in 1982).

          2. The private saving rate continued to decline slowly in the 1980s. In the 1973-1980, private saving averaged 7.8 percent of the economy, and dropped to 6.9% in 1986 and 4.8% in 1989. In other words, the saving rate was significantly lower after the 1981 tax cut than before it.

          3. The labor force grew at an average rate of 1.6% over the 1982-89 period, about the same as during the previous four years.

          4. Overall labor productivity grew rapidly before 1973 and much less rapidly since then. In the entire period after 1973, the annual growth rate of productivity has been very close to 1.1 percent. It average around 1.1 percent also in the 1980s.

          5. Budget deficits that were equal to 40b US$ in 1979 (-1.7% of GDP) and 74b US $ in 1980 (-2.7% of GDP) increased to 221b US $ by 1986 (5.2% of GDP).

          6. The public debt to GDP ratio increased from 26.1% in 1979 to 41.2% in 1986.

          http://people.stern.nyu.edu/nroubini/SUPPLY.HTM

          So economists think you idiots are wrong on your ideas of economics. History agrees. And you say we are wrong about almost everything we say. Why don't you start listening to us instead of moron pundints who know nothing about economics.

          And by the way you all keep saying I'm wrong, but you don't offer evidence to prove it. If thats how you work then, you are all wrong about everything you say. If you don't believe me read the last sentance again.

          • 4 votes
          #2.19 - Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:36 PM EDT
          newwtricks

          Flying Energy:

          Nice! Very Nice! When the going get's tough, use deflection and spin. Nice comment.

          • 1 vote
          #2.20 - Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:20 PM EDT
          FlyingEnergy

          Deflection and spin? I'm just saying your wrong about everything. Duh! I just said it, it must be true.

          • 4 votes
          #2.21 - Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:32 PM EDT
          FlyingEnergy

          I think I should add. The Stimulus included 88 billion for Green Energy. That makes the solyndra loan equivalent to less than 2% of all money loaned. By all accounts I have read, these loans where a resounding success.

          If you have 98% success and 2% failure, how does that make this a scandal? I think this is just another attempt by the Right Wing Media to demonize Obama. But if you look at the facts, this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion.

          • 4 votes
          #2.22 - Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:56 PM EDT
          nobody-3221875

          By all accounts I have read, these loans where a resounding success.

          They weren't actual loans. They were loan guarantees. Private banks financed the loans and if they defaulted the federal government made payment. So far since the Energy Policy Act of 2005 was signed Solyndra is the only company to default.

          • 4 votes
          #2.23 - Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:48 PM EDT
          FlyingEnergy

          I don't know if you noticed this Nobody, but everything you said, minus me trying to spin this into being Bush's fault is backing me up.

          The money solyndra got was from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. The Bush administration had the opportunity in 2005 but rejected it. Since then the company had recieved money from private investors and had not folded, it was a risk, but there are lot's of risks when investing in green energy.

          Secondly, the money did come from the Federal stimulus package. That means federal dollars, not subsidized loans.

          Finally, you are right that Solyndra is the only company to default. The percentages point in favor of Obama's decision to loan money to these types of companies. These decisions created jobs and have advanced Americas technological standing. These are the types of things America needs to remain competative.

          • 5 votes
          #2.24 - Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:33 PM EDT
          nobody-3221875

          @Flying Energy

          Relax. I was backing you up. See my comment #2.18.

          • 3 votes
          #2.25 - Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:03 PM EDT
          FlyingEnergy

          Ooops, I saw spin and Bush and figured you where saying I was spinning the argument to blame Bush. At least we got some more facts in there.

          • 4 votes
          #2.26 - Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:13 PM EDT
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          brittannyyDeleted
          silverhawk63

          Looks like its going to be a race to see what gets Obama impeached first. His own staff or his Justice Dept.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#4 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:13 PM EDT
          Greenwood10

          It's always funny when you have a situation like this where they are going to be investigating themselves.

          • 5 votes
          #4.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:20 PM EDT
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          lambnlions

          I found myself wondering, "if the Nuclear Energy folks were actually behind owning the factory?"

          It would serve them most of all, to have a Solar Company made out to be looked as as a failure? Excuse me for not watching the surface, I'm haunted like that. Who owned the company, not just where did the money go? Tracking the whose is very important here. I'm sure their smart enough to tighten up all ties, so watch the paper trails to dead ends.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#5 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:35 PM EDT
          Wizeguy

          Everyone is looking to balme Obama....his administration and everyone else...except where the real culprit is....China said "oh yea" we will flood your market with our cheap subsidized solar panels and your Made in the U.S.A. panels will be gone....they were so right...that is who should be taking the heat....

          We need to make sure imported solar panels are not cheaper then ours by tariff....

          • 7 votes
          Reply#6 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:41 PM EDT
          California Militia

          ding ding ding. we have a winner.

          dont tax american corporations when you can tax chinese corporations. once they raise their prices high enough, we will be competative in the US. thats enough to create jobs.....

          oh but wait, if we do that, where we gonna get 500 billion for the jobs bill.

          • 4 votes
          #6.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:00 PM EDT
          Mister Joshua

          Yeah, let's make solar panels completely unaffordable by starting a trade war with China! USA USA USA!!!

          I don't get liberals, is the goal to increase the usage of solar panels and help the environment, or waste money getting Americans unneccessary jobs by propping up a failing business model? You can't do both.

          • 2 votes
          #6.2 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:16 PM EDT
          Wizeguy

          let's make solar panels completely unaffordable by starting a trade war with China

          Would China let us undercut any products we sell there??? I don't think so!!!

          Solynda is out of busiess got to wonder if these are Made in the U.S.A. ????

          http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_polk/lakeland/solar-farm-to-break-ground-at-lakeland-linder-regional-airport

          • 2 votes
          #6.3 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:36 PM EDT
          nobody-3221875

          or waste money getting Americans unneccessary jobs by propping up a failing business model?

          Failing business model my a**. If you sell a product and I use slave labor to price you out of the market with my own cheap version of your product, you're goin outta business. Nobody wants to address China because then they'll stop making our iPhones so cheap. Cal Mil and Wizeguy have it right. Why do you think we don't import Brazilian ethanol? Because Washington tarriffed the hell out of Brazil to protect American corn growers. Same thing should apply to China. "Play ball or sell your sh*t somewhere else".

          • 1 vote
          #6.4 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:43 PM EDT
          USlifeLine

          Wait!! We don't want to raise tariffs on China until we receive the hefty size order of "shovels" that Americans will have to use to dig their way out of the load of cr*p this administration it piling on us!

          • 2 votes
          #6.5 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:51 PM EDT
          nobody-3221875

          lol Yeah you're right USlifeLine. This administration, and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that.....

          • 1 vote
          #6.6 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:11 PM EDT
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          ma91744-1401618

          The Treasury Department should be looking into what happened to the 3 trillion dollars that disappeared like a fart in the wind from the Defense Department days after the September 11, 2001, explosion at the Pentagon.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#7 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:51 PM EDT
          chitownty

          That won't happen.The Republicans would rather focus on this.It's to their conceived political advantage.

            #7.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:57 PM EDT
            mighty heidi

            "explosion at the Pentagon" - maybe that was simply Mo'chelle obama farting.

            • 2 votes
            #7.2 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:11 PM EDT
            Reply
            Brian-497171

            Welp, I guess coal is the energy of the future for Amurka!

            We'll just buy the equipment and technology from China and Germany whenever we get our collective heads out of our asses and realize that fossil fuel resources are dwindling under increasing demand from emerging nations.

            Til then, cut that dang mountain top off - I gots to get me some of that black lung!

            • 2 votes
            Reply#8 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:52 PM EDT
            Mary-471639

            It's often claimed that the Solyndra loan guarantee was "rushed through" by the Obama administration for political reasons. In fact, the Solyndra loan guarantee was a multi-year process that the Bush administration launched in 2007.

            1.The Bush team tried to conditionally approve the Solyndra loan just before President Obama took office.

            2.The company's backers included private investors who had diverse political interests.

            3.The loan comprises just 1.3 percent of the Department of Energy's (DOE) overall loan portfolio. To date, Solyndra is the only loan that's known to be troubled.
            Because one of the Solyndra investors, Argonaut Venture Capital, is funded by George Kaiser -- a man who donated money to the Obama campaign -- the loan guarantee has been attacked as being political in nature. What critics don't mention is that one of the earliest and largest investors, Madrone Capital Partners, is funded by the family that started Walmart, the Waltons. The Waltons have donated millions of dollars to Republican candidates over the years.

            http://www.grist.org/solar-power/2011-09-13-bush-admin-pushed-solyndra-loan-guarantee-for-two-years

            • 2 votes
            Reply#9 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:52 PM EDT
            chitownty

            MARY:Nice try but the anti-Obama folks won't read the whole story.Just the part that fits their POV.

            • 1 vote
            #9.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:59 PM EDT
            Mister Joshua

            The Bush team tried to conditionally approve the Solyndra loan just before President Obama took office.

            No, they considered the loan, but then declined to follow it through due to lack of information. It was the Obama DoE's responsibility to analyze the costs and benefits of guranteeing these loans. They failed and Obama needs to own up to it.

            • 6 votes
            #9.2 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:13 PM EDT
            nobody-3221875

            It was the Obama DoE's responsibility to analyze the costs and benefits of guranteeing these loans.

            The people at the DoE that rejected the loan app under Bush are the same people that eventually approved it. They're all career DoE employees, not appointed.

            • 2 votes
            #9.3 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:34 PM EDT
            coolslow

            Oh Hell, it was the fault of that dirty rotten Bush?? Should have known. ROTFLMAO!!

              #9.4 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT
              nobody-3221875

              I didn't say it was Bush's fault. I said the people who rejected the loan when Bush was President are the same people that approved it under Obama.

              • 1 vote
              #9.5 - Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:27 AM EDT
              Reply
              Hayte

              Well, it looks bad when you view the headline but when you scratch the surface you see the face of politics as usual in Washington.

              Solyndra appears to me to be one of the "green jobs" touted by ALL politicians in the recent past. So, while it is unfortunate that the investment money is gone, that's not to say it wasn't worth the risk. China is the largest competitor in terms of green jobs so, the USA must appear competitive. Bush knew it. Obama pulled the trigger hoping to show America is in the right place. If eitherof them had not pushed for it, the fallout would have been the opposite in that politicians would have argued that the President (either one) isn't in favor of green jobs.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#10 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:02 PM EDT
              ObamaIsGodAwful

              The question is, who is going to look into the Treasury Depatment? Little Timmy Geithner the tax cheating Marxist runs that Treasury Department at the whim of Obama. I would be concerned the Treasury Department plans to destroy the evidence linking Obama directly to the unsound so-called green energy "investment" clearly made out of cronyism and destroy and evidence of wrong-doing by the cronies Obama handed $500,000,000 in taxpayer nmoney.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#11 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:07 PM EDT
              Hayte

              You must really be outraged by the $12 BILLION in cash that was sent to Iraq never to be heard from again. I wonder why there was no investigation?

              • 2 votes
              #11.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:10 PM EDT
              ObamaIsGodAwful

              I'm too busy looking for the $800,000,000,000 in stimulus funds that disappeared into many countries with nothing to show for it here in America. Did Obama send $12 billion to Iraq, too?

              • 4 votes
              #11.2 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:21 PM EDT
              Just Saying-3894877

              Hayte, please site a source or are you just simply talking about the funds that go to pay our soldiers that are fighting for our freedom?

              • 2 votes
              #11.3 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:30 PM EDT
              chitownty

              27 JULY 2010,story on the BBC website,8+ billion dollars unaccounted for.And no it has nothing to do with troops pay.

              • 1 vote
              #11.4 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:40 PM EDT
              Hayte

              Just Saying: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1

              • 1 vote
              #11.5 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:43 PM EDT
              Just Saying-3894877

              Thanks for posting I had not seen that article before. Although I did notice that it was not US taxpayers money that went missing. Not saying that makes the situation any better, but it is worth mentioning. America needs to stand up and say enough is enough. Spending needs to be cut back and politicians (of both parties) need to be held responsible for their poor actions.

              • 3 votes
              #11.6 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:53 PM EDT
              ObamaIsGodAwful

              If this statement from the storyis true, who gives a crap?

              The memorandum details the casual manner in which the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority disbursed the money, which came from Iraqi oil sales, surplus funds from the UN oil-for-food programme and seized Iraqi assets.

              It wasn't US money (yes, our bills but not technically our property).

              • 2 votes
              #11.7 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:53 PM EDT
              Hayte

              Thanks for posting I had not seen that article before.

              Np. : )

              Although I did notice that it was not US taxpayers money that went missing.

              Well, it was. It was shrink wrapped American currency. 12 Billion dollars of OUR money went away. And no one said a thing.

              Not saying that makes the situation any better, but it is worth mentioning.

              Agreed. Either way it hangs, America is still without 12 billion dollars.

              America needs to stand up and say enough is enough.

              I'm right there with ya!

              Spending needs to be cut back and politicians (of both parties) need to be held responsible for their poor actions.

              Absolutely! I'm tired of brand loyalty getting in the way of solving issues. Folks pit left and right against one another, and while we fight, they continue (on both sides) to @!$%# all over the American people. That MUST change.

              What does that have to do with Solyndra? As I said in my earlier post, this is business as usual in Washington. And it has to stop.

              Funds are appropriated by CONGRESS. NOT the President. That is why I'm not calling Bush out on the 12 Billion (although it happened under his administration). Congress has to stop vilifying the Executive Branch and start to police their own. If not, maybe the checks and balances have stopped working and the American people should look into where the failure is occurring. And, why?

                #11.8 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT
                Just Saying-3894877

                Agree with you on our check and balance system. I have a couple of ideas as to why this is. The first is that everyone about blaming the other party regardless of what the facts are. The next is that they are all about the money (meaning to line their own pockets). Lastly, is that we, American tax payers, have let them get away with it and that they don't think that we will ever challenge them to the point where they have to stop.

                I don't care what letter someone has behind their name. I want someone that will step up and make the necessary changes needed for the survival of our country. That person will need to have strong morals and a lot of courage (we probably won't find these qualities among any career politician though).

                • 2 votes
                #11.9 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:11 PM EDT
                nobody-3221875

                I'm too busy looking for the $800,000,000,000 in stimulus funds that disappeared into many countries with nothing to show for it here in America. Did Obama send $12 billion to Iraq, too?

                Actually it was $860B. Funny thing is $645B of that was tax cuts. The vast majority of stimulus "funds" was really just money the government didn't collect from Americans.

                • 1 vote
                #11.10 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:40 PM EDT
                Reply
                Tyler Durden-330839

                Ok, so this company failed because the Chinese sell it cheaper, right?

                So , who are these "patriots" who aren't buying American?

                And would it be right for Obama to force these "patriots" to buy American?

                Dorme bene.

                  Reply#12 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:09 PM EDT
                  buckeyenut-2225921

                  Is Timothy Geitner the Treasury Secretary? If he is I have little faith they will find anything wrong.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#13 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:18 PM EDT
                  Just Saying-3894877

                  Here is the thing, the government is picking and choosing their favorites for these loans. This is just plain wrong. The best way to think about this is, if this or any other business is that good, it will be able to find private investors. The government should not be making loans with our money. We have no input about what we want.

                  I think that if they are elected to serve us, that they should follow the opinion that the majority of us hold, not what they think is best for us.

                  Again I stress that if these companies had good business plans and viable ideas, that they would be able to get funding from private investors.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#14 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:27 PM EDT
                  allthumbs

                  Amen.

                    #14.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:33 PM EDT
                    Reply
                    allthumbs

                    HAH! Now you can add the adjective "stupid" to "impotent" when describing this administration. OMG, this bunch makes GW look like a Fulbright scholar. At least we got something tangible for the money paid to Halliburton.

                      Reply#15 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:30 PM EDT
                      chitownty

                      Like what?

                        #15.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:41 PM EDT
                        Tyler Durden-330839

                        Fear and dead off duty soldiers.

                          #15.2 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:49 PM EDT
                          chitownty

                          Yeah,that's about it.

                            #15.3 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:06 PM EDT
                            Laura-400055

                            Allthumbs:

                            Something tangible?? REALLY...like a bunch of dead soldiers, contaminated water, soldiers being charged to get their laundry done and Dick and George's pockets lined with money.....

                            • 2 votes
                            #15.4 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:41 PM EDT
                            Reply
                            Marcel Villa

                            This is a good thing. It will open up the peoples mind as to how easy it is to con the inexperienced, unknowledgeable supposedly idiotic savants who believe that they can make scientific and engineering decisions without consulting proper knowledgeable experts. Instead, they rely on the expert advise of idiots savants and the company that is pushing the project to fast track approval of loans that in all sincerity is subject to dismal failure. They have embraced the concept of being able to harness free energy sources without considering the consequences thereof as to its practicability, profitability and cost of maintaining such project including the gargantuan need for real estate to harness an equivalent of 15-25% power output versus a 100 or more power output of conventional energy supply.

                            I could not even imagine how people with such intelligent bios can not see the repercussion of the load it would require to hold the material in place laden with so much snow. Nor could I not imagine how these people could not see that acres and acres of good solid land are being sacrificed to produce a miniscule amount of power as compared to the real estate it uses that could have been put to better use. I could not imagine how stupid could these experts be who could not see that clouds, rains, fog, dust, storms, lighting not counting the high cost of replacing reflectors that could easily crack that could easily throw the entire project into stopping its production.

                            Perhaps with these investigation, these people will be more careful in relying on their intellectual capacity and depend on the combined intellect of knowledgeable people.

                            Could anyone imagine how many people could have been helped by this 528 Billion instead of fattening the purse of 1100 people. I even doubt if all these people have been truly benefited by this loan. In most probability the bulk of this loan is pocketed by those on the top, a loss that will not be recovered anymore.

                              Reply#16 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:38 PM EDT
                              chitownty

                              That's 528 MILLION.

                              • 1 vote
                              #16.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:43 PM EDT
                              Reply
                              fronco

                              This is nothing but a conspiracy and its increasingly an indication of the republican tea party radical racist terrorist going around the country destroying plants like this to make Obama look bad. but this investigation will reveal who is behind it. these terrorist will stop at nothing to overthrow our Gov. and put people out of work just to win an election.

                                Reply#17 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:05 PM EDT
                                Mike-558003

                                Saw this bumper sticker recently: "Be a Democrat. It's easier than thinking." That certainly seems to be the case on this thread.

                                • 7 votes
                                Reply#18 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:19 PM EDT
                                Tyler Durden-330839

                                Find those wmds yet?

                                • 2 votes
                                #18.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:39 PM EDT
                                Reply
                                Tony Wlliams

                                I think a lot of people who want to go after Obama because this Company failed missed a key factor in it's failure:

                                Chinese companies have flooded the market with inexpensive solar energy panels, and Europe's economy weakened demand from customers. The result has been an unprecedented drop in solar cell prices this year. Two other solar panel manufacturers also filed for bankruptcy in the past month.

                                Now China flooding the market is no surprise. They want the lead and they made sure they kept it. We could have had car engines that use Hydrocells to power or cars for 20 years but now China has the lead because big Oil purchased all the patents to keep them off the market. Green Energy is the way to go if we ever expect to become the worlds leader again in technology but because of our own past and allowing the steps needed to move forward to be squashed we are now dead last and falling fast.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#19 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:25 PM EDT
                                nrbq

                                Dont piss off China: They might make a call for the money we have borrowed.

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#20 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT
                                1standlastword

                                I need a bigger barf bag

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#21 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:39 PM EDT
                                The Grim Creeper

                                We need an INDEPENDENT investigator. Not someone who can be influenced by Obama and his thugs.

                                • 7 votes
                                Reply#22 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:42 PM EDT
                                mighty heidi

                                Some very disturbing info reported in the NY Post today: One of the company's primary investors was a foundation controlled by billionaire George Kaiser - one of obama's key 2008 campaign cash bundlers. Why was the loan agreement restructured so that Solyndra's investors -- and not US taxpayers -- were given priority rights to the first $75 million recovered if the firm failed. A special asst. to then-Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel told the agencies to "speed (this) along" saying we want to think about the potential announcement value in this" because the WH hoped to "use this as an example where the (stimulus) is helping create new high tech. jobs, despite a plea from a senior OMB staffer to Biden's ofc to postpone the announcement to do due-diligence review . This smells to high heaven.

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#23 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:44 PM EDT
                                DerryGirl

                                The Energy Department's top lending officer told Congress that the Solyndra loanapplication was not only filed during President Bush's term, but it surged towards completion before Obama took office in January 2009.

                                So it was a Bush baby first? Ha, ha, ha! I know the Republicans are scrambling to get rid of that evidence right now - Faux News are already on it - stop the presses!!!!!

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#24 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:59 PM EDT
                                mighty heidi

                                derry - the Bush Adm. TURNED DOWN Solyndra's request for a loan, too many red flag--but that didn't stop the spender in chief obami from doling out the dough-- what's $500 million compared to the $14 trillion obama has us in the hole for.

                                • 3 votes
                                #24.1 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:20 PM EDT
                                Reply
                                coolslow

                                Thisis another pathetic example of an idealogical driven administration with no idea of free market economics or business management, doing things for all the wrong reasons. O is the worst. he has got to go. No question about it.

                                O's Tulsa billionaire buddy, Kaiser, donated to O's campaign, got the money without due diligence, etc etc etc.

                                C'mon libs, start gnashing your teeth and tearing out your hair about billionaire greed, corporate cronyism, corporate welfare, influence peddling, tax evasion /fraud destruction of the middle class, corporate welfare, reckless spending etc etc etc. You know the lines. Sic Hoffa on them.

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#25 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:01 PM EDT
                                greg m-1174186

                                I wonder how many billions this investigation is going to cost?

                                Look..... more jobs.........

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#26 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:09 PM EDT
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