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More bad news for bank customers: Debit card fees

Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:34 PM EDT
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Candice Choi, AP Food Industry Writer

FILE - In this July 17, 2009 file photo, a customer uses a Bank of America ATM in Charlotte, N.C. Bank of America plans to start charging customers a $5 monthly debit card fee. The fee will be rolled out starting early in 2012. (AP Photo/Chuck Burton, file)

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NEW YORK — Bank of America will start charging debit-card users $5 a month to pay for purchases. The move comes as the cards increasingly replace cash and as banks look for ways to offset the loss of revenue from a new rule that will limit how much they can collect from merchants.

Paying to use a debit card was unheard of before this year and is still a novel concept for many consumers. But several banks have recently introduced or started testing debit card fees. That's in addition to the spate of other unwelcome changes checking account customers have seen in the past year. Bank of America will begin charging the fee early next year.

Bank of America's announcement carries added weight because it is the largest U.S. bank by deposits.

The fee will apply to basic accounts, which are marketed toward those with modest balances, and will be in addition to any existing monthly service fees. For example, one such account charges a $12 monthly fee unless customers meet certain conditions, such as maintaining a minimum average balance of $1,500.

Customers will only be charged the fee if they use their debit cards for purchases in any given month, said Anne Pace, a Bank of America spokeswoman. Those who only use their cards at ATMs won't have to pay.

The debit card fee is just the latest twist in the rapidly evolving market for checking accounts.

A study by Bankrate.com this week found that just 45 percent of checking accounts are now free with no strings attached, down from 65 percent last year and 76 percent in 2009. Customers can still get free checking in most cases, but only if they meet certain conditions, such as setting up direct deposit.

The study also found that the total average cost for using an ATM rose to $3.81, from $3.74, the year before. The average overdraft fee inched up to $30.83, from $30.47

The changes come ahead of a regulation that goes into effect next month.

Starting Oct. 1, the regulation will cap the fees that banks can collect from merchants whenever customers swipe their debit cards. Those fees generated $19 billion in revenue for banks in 2009, according to the Nilson Report, which tracks the payments industry.

There is no similar cap on the merchant fees that banks can collect when customers use their credit cards, however. That means many banks are increasingly encouraging customers to reach for their credit cards, in hopes of reversing a trend toward debit card usage in the past several years.

An increasing reliance on credit cards would be particularly beneficial for big institutions like Bank of America, which have large credit card portfolios, notes Bart Narter, a banking analyst with Celent, a consulting firm.

"It's become a more profitable business, at least in relation to debit cards," Narter said.

This summer, an Associated Press-GfK poll found that two-thirds of consumers use debit cards more frequently than credit cards. But when asked how they would react if they were charged a $3 monthly debit card fee, 61 percent said they'd find another way to pay.

With a $5 fee, 66 percent said they would change their payment method.

Several banks are nevertheless moving ahead with debit card fees.

SunTrust, a regional bank based in Atlanta, began charging a $5 debit card fee on its basic checking accounts this summer. Regions Financial, which is based in Birmingham, Ala., plans to start charging a $4 fee next month.

Chase and Wells Fargo are also testing $3 monthly debit card fees in select markets. Neither bank has said when it will make a final decision on whether to roll out the fee more broadly.

The growing prevalence of the debit card fee is alarming for Josh Wood, a 32-year-old financial adviser in Amarillo, Texas.

Wood relies entirely on debit cards to avoid interest charges on a credit card. If his bank, Wells Fargo, began charging a debit card fee, he said he would take his business to a credit union.

If a debit fee became so prevalent that it was unavoidable, Wood said he's not sure how he'd react.

"I might use all cash. Or go back to writing checks," he said.

Bank of America's debit card fee will be rolled out in stages starting with select states in early 2012. The company would not say which states would be affected first.

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rtg-

People will simply cancel their Bank of American debit cards and start using other companies debit cards. Easy fix. If all the companies start charging for debit cards, we can always go back to using cash.

  • 12 votes
#1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT
The Grim Creeper

People will simply cancel their Bank of American debit cards and start using other companies debit cards. Easy fix. If all the companies start charging for debit cards, we can always go back to using cash.

Other banks will be charging fees as well.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT
real michaud

thats what i'm going to do rtg..what a joke

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT
keep_it_cool

Grim- other banks will take advantage of this to take customers from Bank. Free checking is something advertised a lot to reel in those people sick of checking fees.

These a-holes are trying every little which way they can to get money from ANYONE they can. They have taken to harassing me for a loan modification I don't need because they'll make money off it. Never mind they already make A LOT of money off my interest. I would NEVER do business with them, and only deal with them because they absorbed my loan from Countrwide.

I deal with Chase now (was a WAMU person) and I am already shopping around the credit unions. Doesn't pay to be loyal or a good customer, so I suppose I'll just follow the good (yet still safe) deals.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:25 PM EDT
Roy-933464

My bank (USAA) has ended their debit rewards program, but I still get ATM refunds and credit rewards. As long as we don't give Skank of America a bailout when their ship sinks from people closing accounts, i'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show.

"Digital money" has always given me the creeps. It may sound far-fetched, but it is possible that one day we could wake-up with nothing but the cash under the mattress. Heck...I suppose that same nightmare could have that cash worth less than the paper than it's printed on. What a vulnerable existence it is living life on "the grid".

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:26 PM EDT
Nick46

Merchants were paying your fees before. Then along came Swipe Reform. Since they won't be getting money from them guess where the S*&t rolls?

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:26 PM EDT
Jack TX

People will simply cancel their Bank of American debit cards and start using other companies debit cards. Easy fix. If all the companies start charging for debit cards, we can always go back to using cash.

You assume that people will (a) read the notice that the fee is about to be charged (b) read their bank statement and/or (c) change a pattern of behavior over an amount of money less than they spend at Starbucks every day.

    #1.6 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT
    Roy-933464

    You assume that people will (a) read the notice that the fee is about to be charged (b) read their bank statement and/or (c) change a pattern of behavior over an amount of money less than they spend at Starbucks every day.

    It's fairly easy to switch accounts to a new bank. You give the new bank your info, and they'll essentially do it for you. I left BoA back in 2002 for fees. It wasn't the $20 or so per month that they were raping me for, it was the rape itself.

    • 5 votes
    #1.7 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT
    bonos_rama

    You assume that people will (a) read the notice that the fee is about to be charged (b) read their bank statement and/or (c) change a pattern of behavior over an amount of money less than they spend at Starbucks every day.

    You, in turn, assume that people will NOT do all of that. You also assume that everybody has tons of money to go to Starbucks (or goes to starbucks at all).

    People can be very protective where their money is concerned. There are people who scan their supermarket receipts and WILL fight for a nickel overcharge. These are the same people that pore over their monthly bank statements with a fine toothed comb. Now me, I fit more in with your description, but I personally know people who will never accept this. BofA will find out soon enough if their customers accept it or not. If not, they'll have lost a lot of customers and I certainly hope the $5 monthly charge is worth it to them, in the end.

    • 7 votes
    #1.8 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:46 PM EDT
    Anatoly-Rex

    Many, I'm so glad I use a credit union. I pity the poor schmucks who have invested themselves in Chase, BoA, and all those other crooks....

    • 3 votes
    #1.9 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:50 PM EDT
    take2la

    The usage of the wording "fee's" is a loophole to get around legislated regulations against certain charges.

    These banks already have garnered BILLIONS from customers by the way they track and time the incoming paid items against a customers account and the actual outflow of money transfered to the payee. They track it this way to MAXIMIZE the potential for paid items to deplete the account below certain limits and thereby incur MORE CHARGES.

    HOW MANY MORE WAYS WILL THEY BE ALLOWED TO REMOVE MONEY FROM CUSTOMERS ACCOUNTS WITHOUT SERVICES RENDERED OR BENEFIT TO CUSTOMERS.

    At a certain point, it becomes LESS a service and more USARY (sp).

    It has to addressed at legislative level.

    • 2 votes
    #1.10 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:59 PM EDT
    Fred Evil

    Actually, we've started using our BoA credit card with 1% cash back, and paying it off every month. They pay US to use the card.

    I realize it won't be feasible for everyone, it wasn't for us 12 months ago, but we've been frugal, thrifty even, and it's paying off.

    • 1 vote
    #1.11 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:07 PM EDT
    JEFFINVA

    Only in America are consumers so complacent that a bank that was bailed out by the people turn around and screw the people without any backlash. It's BS! You go anywhere on most airlines and they charge you for luggage. When's the last time you went on a trip that you took by airplane where you didn't bring luggage? The banks are now charging YOU for YOU to use YOUR money. Why the hell do you have a debit card? You have one to buy stuff with without using a credit card. Did you really get a debit card so you could just use an ATM? People need to stop using their debit cards in droves to send the message to banks that you will no longer pay fees for BS. But no not in the god ol' US of A, we'll sit back get screwed and complain...if that.

    • 9 votes
    #1.12 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:11 PM EDT
    austinrick

    Another good reason to dump BoA. Join a credit union.

    • 12 votes
    #1.13 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:14 PM EDT
    Pacific Northwest Blogger

    People, Move your money to credit unions!

    Have been a customer and therefore shareholder in a credit union for a decade with great results. You are a shareholder if you join, you get better rates, you can even get insurance for your car and home.

    My example is straight forward, when I joined I asked for a credit card, they asked me what rate I wanted, I told them, they gave it to me and it's still that low rate - Try that with one of the multinational banks, it won't happen.

    • 5 votes
    #1.14 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:26 PM EDT
    Jeremy-960164

    Everyone bitching at boa and these other banks are barking up the wrong tree. While I might not like it, and feel they already nickle and dime me for too much already. They are all in business to make money...

    The banking industry has been raising fees and scaling back on rewards programs as they adjust to new regulations that will limit traditional revenue sources

    We should be barking up the tree of Congress and the other fools who passed the new regulations. Once again, Congress costs the Average American more money.

    • 1 vote
    #1.15 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT
    Pacific Northwest Blogger

    P.S. it's a single digit rate for the card.

    • 2 votes
    #1.16 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:30 PM EDT
    Big Al-369306

    This is a simple fix for the American Consumer

    Go inside tell them I want all my money in a cashiers check & close your account 8) Easy to do

    • 6 votes
    #1.17 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:39 PM EDT
    JEFFINVA

    But that would make it too hard for Tennis wives to spend their husbands' money. If they have to go to the bank first how will they have enough time to play tennis, go shopping and then grab dinner from some chain restaurant?

      #1.18 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:43 PM EDT
      badchess

      Go to an atm once a week and take out a couple of hundred bucks.

      That is what we do now, and it is an excellent way of managing your finances and budget (you don't have the cash in your wallet, then don't buy the shiny thing you are looking at).

      • 3 votes
      #1.19 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:54 PM EDT
      keep_it_cool

      lmao Nice trolling Jeff. What does that have to do with ANYTHING? lol..

      • 5 votes
      #1.20 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:32 PM EDT
      SteveW in Md

      I'm surprised that these NewsViners aren't blaming the GOP for this. However this is just another fine example of how both parties find ways to allow corporate America to put the screws to us as the consumer.

      More regulations = higher cost of living and higher inflation

      Less regulations = price gouging and higher cost of living

        #1.21 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:33 AM EDT
        Roy Batty

        I'm surprised that these NewsViners aren't blaming the GOP for this

        Surprise! I don't see anyone swinging the Blame Obama Hammer either. Many Newsviners are able to think in other than purely political terms.

        Actually, I find that rather refreshing.

        • 4 votes
        #1.22 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:32 AM EDT
        badchess

        Maybe everyone is in a good mood because it is Friday...

        • 1 vote
        #1.23 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:17 PM EDT
        Jack TX

        It's fairly easy to switch accounts to a new bank. You give the new bank your info, and they'll essentially do it for you. I left BoA back in 2002 for fees. It wasn't the $20 or so per month that they were raping me for, it was the rape itself.

        No doubt. And you wouldn't catch me anywhere near BofA. But I'm here to tell you this will not have a significant impact on their business. Now...the Euro crisis and the Countrywide mess....that's another story.

        • 4 votes
        #1.24 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:42 PM EDT
        badchess

        Ouch, $20/month?

        What were they hitting you for?

        • 2 votes
        #1.25 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:24 PM EDT
        Auto 101

        They were charging me that for talking to a teller.

        • 2 votes
        #1.26 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT
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        Pippo Schillaci

        What we need to do as individuals is move away from dealing with banks that are the problem. Take your accounts to your local bank.

        On the downside, we got our huose financed back when by a local company. Before we knew it, our account had been sold a couple of times winding up at Bank of America.

        Our credit rating is 8.2 almost as high as it gets and yet, we are made responsible for the dumb loans written for those that obvioulsy could not afford them. Without our knowledge they were bundled up by Wall Street and used to rip us off. When it turned out Wall Street's fiasco hurt them too, we bailed them out. What's wrong with this picture.

        Debt forgiveness is the only viable way to bring justice on them for us. If we don't get with controling them, we will all owe everything and own nothing.

        • 7 votes
        Reply#2 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
        Big Al-369306

        When you signed your docs it states what the % chance of your loan being sold to another lender 8)

        Next time you get a home loan make sure to be upfront with them and tell them you do not want your loan to be serviced by BofA.

        • 2 votes
        #2.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:41 PM EDT
        badchess

        On the downside, we got our huose financed back when by a local company. Before we knew it, our account had been sold a couple of times winding up at Bank of America.

        How did that harm you?

          #2.2 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:18 PM EDT
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          Concerned Citizen-1303521

          The changes come as banks adjust to new regulations that will limit traditional revenue sources.

          Translation: These new methods to screw you out of your money come as other methods of screwing you have been overruled and as customers have fewer choices as to which banks are available for them to use.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#3 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
          greg81082-4115372

          I quit using a bank in the '90s. Credit Unions are a much better way to go. In a credit union, one has some say about what goes on.

          • 7 votes
          #3.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT
          Reply
          The Grim Creeper

          You can thank Dick Durbin for this. Almost every time the government "solves" a problem, the resulting legislation has multiple unintended consequences.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#4 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT
          real michaud

          it aint dick durbin...its the banks, they get bailed out then they get even more f***ing greedy...i hate them

          • 5 votes
          #4.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT
          JBURNS-1894015

          This latest scam has nothing to do with the Senator. BoA probably didn't make the Billion Dollar quarterly take so they need to steal more.

          I also changed to a Credit Union years ago. Credit Unions are governed by the members and not the almighty Banksters.

          I think this country could use a run on the banks to show no one is too big to fail. Then we can watch them jumping out the windows in the Financial District.

          • 1 vote
          #4.2 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:28 PM EDT
          austinrick

          BoA is not too big to fail. Let them.

          Join a credit union.

          • 3 votes
          #4.3 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:46 PM EDT
          SteveW in Md

          Actually Senator Durbin led the charge for the Democrat controlled Congress at the time, when new banking regulations were put in place under the watch of Pelosi & Ried. All of this stemmed from the credit crisis that the banks created themselves.

          It was said back in 2009 that the banks would impose fees just before the regulations kicked in, so there shouldnt be any surprises. Same goes for Obama-care, the HC industry will astronomically raise fees until OCare kicks in.

          You people voted for Hope & Change, now change is all you have left.

          • 1 vote
          #4.4 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:16 AM EDT
          Reply
          PAUL-372271

          I hope all of their customers remove all their money, and Bank of America goes under.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#5 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT
          Jack Flash-1602288

          I hope all of their customers remove all their money, and Bank of America goes under.

          Do you see what happens when you look to the government for a solution to your problems?

          • 1 vote
          #5.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:22 PM EDT
          MattInTX

          Do you see what happens when you look to the government for a solution to your problems?

          Just because A came before B doesn't mean that A caused B.

          It's not like the banks needed help finding new ways to screw us.

          • 8 votes
          #5.2 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT
          PAUL-372271

          no Jack, I am failing to see what you are infering.

          • 4 votes
          #5.3 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT
          real michaud

          its bank of america getting sued in their subprime mortgage mess, and them being investigated for letting it go on, but they were bailed the hell out under bush, now they want more? more? more?.............jesus h christopher people WAKE UP!

          • 4 votes
          #5.4 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:41 PM EDT
          Mr. J-2172189

          Jack, your comment is a fallacy. I dont know if you been in a coma or what, but banks are charging more and more fee's left and right. Goverment has done nothing but let it happen. As MattlnTX said, banks dont need help in finding ways to screw us. A lack of HONEST goverment if anything is a result of of things like this happing. Key word here "HONEST" is somewhat a forgotten term with our goverment, but if goverment was truly looking out for our intrest, I firmly believe Bank of America and many others would of been shut down a long time ago. Problem with this, is now other banks are wetting their pants because they are trying to figure out how they can ram-rod this little fee thru as well. Give it time, and every bank will have the fee, and before you know it we will be reading how the bank has to raise the fee.

          • 5 votes
          #5.5 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:41 PM EDT
          SteveW in Md

          New Regulations were put in place by the Congress under Pelosi, as a result of the banking crisis. Hence, the excuse needed by the banks to add more fees before they aren't permitted to do so in 2012.

            #5.6 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:22 AM EDT
            Mr. J-2172189

            Dont disagree Steve on your point, with the exception that Bank's have been wanting to do this long before the new regulations were put in place. Like you said "an excuse", but than aging, when dont they have an excuse to charge more fee's?

            • 1 vote
            #5.7 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:34 AM EDT
            SteveW in Md

            Well I hate to raise an old issue, when the people of this country finally decide to take our government back, vote in the representatives who actually do act in our best interest, then and only then, will we see improvement.

            If we can also manage to get back to "cash is king" that will also help send the message.

            • 1 vote
            #5.8 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:03 AM EDT
            Mr. J-2172189

            Totaly agree with you.

            • 1 vote
            #5.9 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:53 PM EDT
            Reply
            TamL

            That is insane, they already get a portion of the transaction fees merchants get charged by visa and mastercard. Debit card transaction fees are higher than credit card transactions fees.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#6 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:25 PM EDT
            real michaud

            u r right, but to hear the republicans its all Obama's fault...NO its Bank of America's fault, they are not to big to fail now, and that is exactly what they think they can prevent with these new rediculous fees....i say f**k em

            • 5 votes
            #6.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:43 PM EDT
            Nick46

            That is insane, they already get a portion of the transaction fees merchants get charged by visa and mastercard. Debit card transaction fees are higher than credit card transactions fees.

            Okay. Recent legislation has lowered the transaction fees that merchants pay. And if you don't know the bank does not own the transaction processing network. They only authorize the transaction. So if the entire cost is not being paid by the merchant then the bank pays and that is passed on to customers. And debit is actually much cheaper than credit card fees. A debit fee is usually around 50 cents. A CC fee is a percentage 1-2%, maybe more, of the total or a minimum. So when you buy a $1 candy bar with debit the merchant was being charge 50 cents. AMEX was much higher that why someplaces don't take AMEX.

            • 1 vote
            #6.2 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:13 PM EDT
            Reply
            John Bayner

            After taking a bath with poor investments, BoA needs to raise money so they can pass out those huge bonuses to those people who deserve them NOT.

            Greed, greed, and more greed.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#7 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:27 PM EDT
            whatthetruth52

            I am sure that other banks will follow suit. I will be using cash and go back to using checks. I will be damned if I will pay to be able to "conveniently" use my money. Banks make too much money now. They just want to be able to continue to hand out multi-million dollar bonuses...

            • 5 votes
            Reply#8 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:27 PM EDT
            austinrick

            I don't profit from saying this.....again, but.....

            Ditch the banks - join a credit union.

            • 3 votes
            #8.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:49 PM EDT
            badchess

            I've been hitting the atm once a week and just utilizing that cash thing.

            Much easier to control spending that way.

            Now, if BoA starts charging for using ATM's I'll ditch them, but until that happens this change in priceing does not effect me.

            • 1 vote
            #8.2 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:01 AM EDT
            Auto 101

            I will be using cash and go back to using checks.

            Sadly more mechanise are not accepting checks any more. I hate carrying more than 300 in cash. I have to pay child car in cash that means having 600 in cash every other week I hate it and it is uncomfortable to have it in you wallet(ATM only gives you 20's).

            My father in law just lost 9K in an envelope that he was going to use fro fixing his roof. Try to get that back.

            • 1 vote
            #8.3 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
            Reply
            Askari

            So, banks continue to charge us for using our own money that keeps them not only in business but also allows them to make investments, loans, trade in derivatives, etc. We are being pimped by banks as they use our money to get rich and then give us less than crumbs in return.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#9 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:47 PM EDT
            badchess

            I'll be taking cash out of an atm, and using that.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#10 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:50 PM EDT
            Michael Sautter

            Find a credit union to use instead of Bank of America.

            • 6 votes
            Reply#11 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:50 PM EDT
            Shannoscubie

            Right on. I'm trying to get away from the sucking black hole of evil that is my BoA account. I already have a credit union account set up and ready to use instead.

            • 4 votes
            #11.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:04 PM EDT
            Reply
            chaos99972

            So, just cut the card up.
            Pretty simple, really.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#12 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
            Roy Batty

            Good. Now we can go back to using old-fashioned paper checks, which slow down everything from writing at the store to processing by the bank.

            Dumb move.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#13 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:55 PM EDT
            JBURNS-1894015

            Sorry but I find the thought of taking a little more time to process a transaction is worth making it difficult for banks.

            There is nothing a bank does that a credit union can't. Except suck the life out of your account.

            • 2 votes
            #13.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:35 PM EDT
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            rational thought-3748544

            Didn't we all see this coming. The banks force you to accept a debit card in place of an ATM card and now a debit card usage fee plus a monthly fee for account protection, since debit cards are easier to use fraudulently than a credit card.

            Why anyone would use a debit card is beyond me, since there is no advantage to doing so over a credit card. Just another method for the banks to charge you more fees.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#14 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:56 PM EDT
            Nick46

            The banks force you to accept a debit card in place of an ATM card and now a debit card usage fee plus a monthly fee for account protection, since debit cards are easier to use fraudulently than a credit card.

            Gee everytime I use debit they ask me for a PIN. And no one forces you to accept anything you can refuse the card. Totally your choice.

              #14.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:19 PM EDT
              rational thought-3748544

              Nick

              I was required by my bank to exchange my ATM card for a debit/ATM card. I never use it as a debit card, but was required to take it.

              If someone uses your debit card fraudulently the money comes out of your checking account and it's gone, unless you pay an account protection fee. If someone uses your credit card fraudulently, you owe nothing as long as you notify the CC company ASAP. Even if you don't notify the CC company, you are only responsible for the 1st $50-$100 (varies by state).

                #14.2 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:50 PM EDT
                Nick46

                I was required by my bank to exchange my ATM card for a debit/ATM card. I never use it as a debit card, but was required to take it.

                One time please listen. Just like we tell our children about drugs "Just say NO!" Or cut it up they don't care. But the bottom line is no one can require you to do anything.

                  #14.3 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:57 PM EDT
                  Robert in Ohio

                  rational thought

                  Or get a new bank for cripes sake

                  • 1 vote
                  #14.4 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:00 PM EDT
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                  Robert in Ohio

                  Banks (Bank of America will not be the only bank to charge this fee), like other service businesses charge fees or the services provided.

                  If the customer decides that the quality or level of service is insufficient for the fees charged, they are free to take their business elsewhere.

                  If enough customers move their banking businesses from BoA to another institution, they will either cease charging the fee, make up the lost revenue in other areas or go out of business.

                  BoA is making a business decision (and they are doing nothing wrong) and the wisdom of that decision will play out n the income statement in the ensuing months and years.

                  No one is forced to do business with a specific bank and customers should weigh their options carefully in choosing a bank or any other service business for their requirements.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#15 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:00 PM EDT
                  Satheesan Kochicheril

                  The bank uses the money of the people who deposit money in the bank, and so they are entitled to a share of the profit that they make. In other countries this share is given as interest for the deposits. In the US no interest is given for the checking accounts. In India, according to the latest rule by the Reserve Bank of India, for each day interest must be given for even checking deposits, and for long term deposits the interest is more than 9%. In the US the CEO's have all the power to squander the money as in the case of Bank of America, and then for that the depositors are punished.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#16 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:01 PM EDT
                  Nick46

                  Now me, I fit more in with your description, but I personally know people who will never accept this. BofA will find out soon enough if their customers accept it or not.

                  Don't blame BofA or any other bank. Anytime you use a CC the merchant pays a fee. Recent legislature regulated those fees. So now the merchant doesn't have to pay some of the fees. Somebody has to pay them so I suppose if you use the debit card it's your fee.

                    Reply#17 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:03 PM EDT
                    MartyMoose

                    We are engaged in the stupidest game with banks. The government passes some "reform" law and the banks can no longer charge for services X, Y, and Z. Hurray! The Financial World is once again made safe for people who love freedom and democracy!

                    So the banks just figure out something else they can charge you for.

                    Seriously, we need to give up trying to legislate the fees in banking. Keep going and the bank will charge you for entering the door. Oh wait, they already do that.

                    I'm not sure when it became immoral for a bank to charge fees. Interest rates are at record lows. How do you propose banks make money without fees? If you don't like it, go find a bank that doesn't charge fees. This is one instance where the free market actually works if you let it.

                    So now instead of charging fees to people who can't manage their finances (overdraft fees, late fees, etc.) this bank will just nail everyone who simply wants to access their money. Congratulations! We just punished the responsible people in the name of protecting the slackers.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#18 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:10 PM EDT
                    lib50

                    Seriously, we need to give up trying to legislate the fees in banking. Keep going and the bank will charge you for entering the door. Oh wait, they already do that.

                    You're kidding, right? Do you really believe that all would be just fine without government regulations in the financial sector? You don't think they would have even MORE fees and charges? I have a bridge for sale, you interested?

                    • 1 vote
                    #18.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:34 PM EDT
                    JBURNS-1894015

                    Dear God MartyMoose, deregulation of the Financial sector is what got us into this freaking mess. Banks made plenty of money, paid interest on savings accounts, loaned money to people in the neighborhoods.

                    These banks aren't protecting "slackers". Another ignorant comment from someone who is uneducated about how this country works now.

                    Banks and Corporations are people. We are just screwed.

                    • 1 vote
                    #18.2 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:44 PM EDT
                    Nick46

                    The government passes some "reform" law and the banks can no longer charge for services X, Y, and Z. Hurray!

                    Don't forget it was the merchants who championed this. They did not want to pay the fees anymore. So now you do. The old adage is always correct. "Nothing is free"

                      #18.3 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:01 PM EDT
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                      David-1830107

                      Oregon's Credit Union here I come.....

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                      Reply#19 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT
                      Seattle Architect

                      We have a small sum of money in BofA - most of our working funds, our emergency funds, savings, etc - perhaps $70k - and we've decided to pull the money out and go to a well known regional bank (Columbia Bank); who does not engage in Wall Street stupidity; who does not try and buy up huge, debt-ridden organizations (Countrywide) and who has a shred of ethical behavior in them.

                      It's time for everyone to leave BofA and start calling these dirt-bag bankers onto the carpet for their behavior. They crashed the economy, and now, at the height of crash, after we bailed them out, they're screwing us.

                      Thank you - no.

                      Good bye.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#20 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT
                      rational thought-3748544

                      BofA is near bankruptcy because of executive greed, risky loans and bad investments. Now, they need someone to pay for their greed and mistakes. It's un-American to think that the executives should pay for their mistakes. Instead they should be given bonuses. Oh, I forgot they were.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#21 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:20 PM EDT
                      JBURNS-1894015

                      BofA is not being held responsible for their greed. They are sacred cows of the high and mighty and wrong doing or down right thievery just slips off their slimy skin.

                      Didn't some rich guy deposit a @!$%# load of cash in BoA coffers recently?

                      • 1 vote
                      #21.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:49 PM EDT
                      rational thought-3748544

                      Warren Buffet, but I don't remember how much.

                      • 1 vote
                      #21.2 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:57 PM EDT
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                      canary-in-the-coal-mine

                      So because of bad management they expect people to PAY for access to their money? Go join a credit union - BoA sucks, anyway

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#22 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT
                      CrowMeris

                      Why the hell does anyone still bank with BofA, Wells Fargo, or any of the other so-called "Too Big To Fail" monsters?

                      Find a community bank, a regional bank - or best yet, a credit union.

                      Shop locally, and use cash if you can to save the merchants a fee.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#23 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:50 PM EDT
                      Sageof50years

                      As a sage, it is my duty to pass along wisdom to others, so here we go.

                      Many on this thread are expressing anger in their posts. That is right and true. The problem is that the anger is actually directed at the wrong target. That's right, the banks are not the problem. They have not messed anything up. Let me preach on....

                      Before today, your merchant paid a percentage charge to any bank he accepted debit transactions for. That percentage is known in business lingo as part of the "Cost of Goods Sold" or CoGS. That means that the price YOU pay for an item already has that percentage charge baked into it.

                      With me so far? Because here is where it gets nasty. Our government, for no good reason I might add, determined it was time to inject themselves into the business world. Oh, yes - of course they claimed it was to "protect the consumer" from those EVIL BANKS!!!!

                      So the government has arbitrarily determined that a fair transaction price for a debit card is 21 cents (no math no how they derived that number, btw). As a result, the banks (all of them) will lose billions of dollars of revenue. Therefore, to attempt to recoup some of that loss, the banks are implementing debit card fees.

                      Here is why the anger is displaced - the retailers WILL NOT LOWER THEIR PRICES as a result of this government interference! So you will continue to pay your old transaction price (calculated into the retail price of your purchase) and the new bank fee. You are now being double-charged thanks to Dodd-Frank.

                      By virtue of making you pay extra for your purchases, the government has just lowered your standard of living!!!

                      That is why you are right to be angry, but wrong to blame the banks.

                      Wisdom dispensed - do with it as you will.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#24 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:19 PM EDT
                      Nick46

                      Here is why the anger is displaced - the retailers WILL NOT LOWER THEIR PRICES as a result of this government interference! So you will continue to pay your old transaction price (calculated into the retail price of your purchase) and the new bank fee. You are now being double-charged thanks to Dodd-Frank.

                      How about all the stores that have the price marked on the package by the manufacturer. A bag of chips is still 99 cents whether I use a debit card or not. And in the old system the merchant paid a 50 cents transaction fee so the merchant lost 49 cents. So you comparison is not valid.

                      But in the end we pay for convenience. If you don't want the convenience don't use a credit or debit card. It is really that easy.

                      • 1 vote
                      #24.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:38 PM EDT
                      JBURNS-1894015

                      If banks want to recoup billions of dollars in lost revenue, dole out bonuses based on executive performance and, if paying someone half a billion in bonuses for a year of record loses, they can suck up their incompetence and stay the hell out of our pockets.

                      • 1 vote
                      #24.2 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:53 PM EDT
                      Sageof50years

                      Nick46 - I don't see anyting in the store anymore that has a manufacturer's price stamped on it. That's so that they can raise the price anytime without changing the packaging. Even if it is stamped, the retailer is still adding that cost to the non-pre-priced items to cover their costs. It is the way business works.

                      However, yes - you are more than free to take your business to any bank you so choose, just realize that they will also have fees as well - banks are not charities designed to give you free stuff.

                      JBURNS - get over that old class-warfare executive compensation strawman argument. Business will operate this way regardless of how many executives there are or how much they are paid. As I reminded Nick, banks are not charities. You pay for their services. Or you don't use them. If you don't like the fees for their services take your business elsewhere.

                        #24.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 4:49 PM EDT
                        Auto 101

                        I say let them Raise the fees I don't care I already did my walking from them. It wont affect me.

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                        #24.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 4:55 PM EDT
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                        moneymaddness

                        Boycott BAC.

                          Reply#25 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:38 PM EDT
                          badchess

                          Or, don't use your atm card anywhere but an atm.

                            #25.1 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:52 PM EDT
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