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AP Exclusive: Third worker says Cain harassed her

Wed Nov 2, 2011 6:49 PM EDT
politics, us, associated-press, herman-cain, cain
Jack Gillum, Associated Press
Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain visits Capitol Hill today. The AP's Ed Donahue reports.
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Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain speaks after meeting with doctors attending the Docs4PatientCare conference in Alexandria, Va., Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2011. (AP Photo/Cliff Owen)

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WASHINGTON — A third woman considered filing a workplace complaint against Herman Cain over what she deemed aggressive and unwanted behavior when she and Cain, now a Republican presidential candidate, worked together during the late 1990s, the woman told The Associated Press on Wednesday. She said the behavior included a private invitation to his corporate apartment.

The woman said he made sexually suggestive remarks or gestures about the same time that two co-workers had settled separate harassment complaints against Cain, who was then the head of the National Restaurant Association.

The woman was located and approached by the AP as part of its investigation into harassment complaints against Cain that were disclosed in recent days and have thrown his presidential campaign into turmoil. She spoke only on condition of anonymity, saying she feared losing her current job and the possibility of damage to her reputation.

Cain's campaign denied anew that he'd done anything wrong, decried a "smear campaign" as he is riding high in opinion polls and accused rival Rick Perry's operation of being behind the original stories.

Perry told the conservative RedState blog late Wednesday that his campaign "had absolutely nothing to do with it."

Earlier, the Perry campaign suggested the campaign of yet another candidate, Mitt Romney, might be a source. Romney's campaign said that wasn't true.

Perry spokesman Ray Sullivan called the Cain campaign's assertions against Perry "both reckless and false."

"For a candidate and campaign that claim to be the victims of unfounded and unproven accusations, they are awfully quick to hurl unfounded accusations themselves. Contrary to the Cain campaign's false accusations, there is not one shred of evidence that any member of the Perry team had anything to do with the recent stories regarding Herman Cain — because it isn't true," Sullivan said.

The woman said she did not file a formal complaint against Cain because she began having fewer interactions with him. Later, she learned that a co-worker — one of the two women whose accusations have rocked Cain's campaign this week — had already done so. She said she would have felt she had to file otherwise.

She said Cain told her that he had confided to colleagues how attractive she was and invited her to his corporate apartment outside work.

His actions "were inappropriate, and it made me feel uncomfortable," she said.

Earlier this week, amid the allegations but not addressing them specifically, Cain said he had "a sense of humor, and some people have a problem with that."

But the former employee told the AP: "People have said he's a jovial guy. But I never knew him to make jokes like that."

The AP confirmed that the employee worked at the restaurant association with Cain during the period in question, that she has no party affiliation in her voter registration in the past decade and is not identified as a donor in federal campaigns or local political campaigns. Records show she was registered as a Democrat at one point previously.

Asked for comment about the accusations, including the most recent, Cain spokesman J.D. Gordon said, "Mr. Cain has said over the past two days at public events that we could see other baseless allegations made against him as this appalling smear campaign continues." Gordon added, "He has never acted in the way alleged by inside-the-Beltway media, and his distinguished record over 40 years spent climbing the corporate ladder speaks for itself."

Denying any involvement, Sullivan said the Perry campaign learned of the allegations when Politico first published a story late Sunday evening.

Cain himself, in an interview with Forbes, said he believed a Perry consultant gave information about the allegations to Politico. After denying earlier this week that he knew about any settlements, Cain said Wednesday that he outlined the allegations of a woman to the consultant, Curt Anderson, when Anderson was helping him on an earlier campaign.

Anderson said in a statement to AP: "I was one of several consultants on his Senate race in 2004 and was proud to help him. I never heard any of these allegations until I read about them in Politico, nor does anything I read in the press change my opinion that Herman is an upstanding man and a gentleman."

Perry's campaign pointed to Romney's operation as a possible source of the Politico story. "There are real ties between Romney campaign backers and Mr. Cain and the National Restaurant Association," Sullivan said.

Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul denied that the campaign was involved in the disclosure of the sexual harassment allegations. And Romney, himself, took a pass when asked to comment on Cain in a television interview.

Meanwhile, another woman who worked with Cain at the restaurant association, said, "I found him to be a good boss." Christina Howard, a former lobbyist for the association, said, "I felt no problem going into his office and asking for his advice."

She said she didn't recall allegations about Cain during his tenure and added, "I'd roll my eyes at anyone who would make that allegation."

But Chris Wilson, a pollster who did work for the restaurant association during Cain's tenure, said in an interview that he witnessed the businessman making inappropriate comments and gestures toward a young woman who worked for the group during a dinner at a hotel in Arlington, Va., across the Potomac River from Washington in the late 1990s. Wilson declined to discuss more specifics without the woman's permission.

Cain's behavior with women was well known, Wilson said.

"People knew about it. I'm surprised that it hasn't come up before," said Wilson, whose firm, Wilson Perkins Allen Opinion Research, does polling for a political action committee backing Perry. Wilson said he has not been the source of information on the accusations against Cain.

Throughout the day Wednesday, Cain tried to project an image of campaign business as usual, but he appeared frazzled at times and couldn't escape the questions that have dogged him since the report Sunday night that at least two women had complained about his behavior while at the restaurant association and had been given financial settlements. The controversy has arisen two months before the leadoff Iowa caucuses and as polls show Cain at the head of the GOP field alongside Romney.

"There are factions that are trying to destroy me personally, as well as this campaign," Cain said as the day began, though he didn't say to whom he was referring.

At his next appearance in suburban Virginia, he was supposed to take questions after a speech to health care professionals, but he ultimately refused.

"Don't even bother asking me all of these other questions that you all are curious about, OK? Don't even bother," a testy Cain told a throng of reporters.

When pressed, Cain raised his voice and said "What did I say? Excuse me. Excuse me!" as hotel security led him through a hallway jammed with journalists. "What part of `no' don't people understand?"

Another of Cain's accusers was increasingly reluctant speak publicly, a person close to the situation said Wednesday. The person, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the accusations, said the fact that the incident has become public was very unsettling to the woman.

By late Wednesday, it appeared that the accuser's lawyer, Joel P. Bennett, was not going to press the National Restaurant Association to waive the confidentiality agreement the accuser had agreed to as a part of her settlement so she could talk freely, as the lawyer initially had suggested he would.

Rather, Bennett told the AP in a brief email that he would seek approval Thursday from the trade group for his client to issue a statement about her position notwithstanding the confidentiality agreement.

Confidentiality agreements that commit both sides to silence are common in financial settlements of an employee's sexual harassment claims, lawyers for management and employees said. Violating such an agreement can lead to a complaint in court and an order to pay damages, or at least the other side's attorney's fees, said Sarah Pierce Wimberly, a partner in the Atlanta office of the Ford and Harrison law firm.

But when the silence is broken, it's often hard to find the source of the leak, said Robert Kelner, a partner in the Covington and Burling firm's Washington office. He said, "The truth is, when parties enter into these confidentiality agreements around a settlement, they usually understand that there is less than 100 percent certainty that the information is truly going to remain confidential."

It's not clear if Cain himself was part of the settlement or whether it just involved the association and the woman. But he almost certainly would be bound by it, as the association's former president.

Over the past two days, Cain has acknowledged he knew of one agreement between the restaurant association and a woman who accused him of sexual harassment. He has said the woman initially asked for a large financial settlement but ultimately received two to three months' pay as part of a separation agreement. Cain also acknowledged remembering one of the woman's accusations against him, saying he stepped close to her to make a reference to her height and told her she was the same height as his wife.

He has said he is not aware of agreements or settlements with any other women.

In media interviews since the story broke Sunday, Cain has offered conflicting accounts of what happened during his tenure at the trade group in Washington. He eventually acknowledged knowing about one settlement but said he did not know how much was paid. The New York Times reported Tuesday that one payout was $35,000, equivalent to one year's salary for one of the women.

The pressure on Cain only increased when a pillar of the GOP establishment suggested Wednesday that the Georgia businessman should ask the association to waive the confidentiality agreements.

"What are the facts?" asked Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour on MSNBC. "If you have a confidentiality agreement that keeps the public from finding out something that the public is interested in knowing the facts, you ought to go on and get the facts out."

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Associated Press writers Kasie Hunt, Brett Blackledge and Mark Sherman in Washington and news researcher Judy Ausuebel in New York contributed to this report.

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mountainfirefall

a corporate apartment?... curious how many of those are in existance.

  • 3 votes
#1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:24 PM EDT
mikeofga

haha yeah, I guess Jack Lemmon was out that night hehe!

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:59 PM EDT
differnet

Lots. Let's say a CEO has a home outside the of NYC, but the headquarters are in the city. The corporation might keep an apartment for the CEO to stay in when his work kept him too late. The idea being that instead of trying to get a hotel room when there was a convention in town, the corporation could use it for the CEO or other important people. So, just like with corporate plans, you have something always ready for the CEO rather than have to have him wait.

    #1.2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:18 PM EDT
    Roy-933464

    I loathe this douchebag Cain as much as any other Liberal, but I hate these scenarios even more. More than likely, you either have opportunists coming out of the woodwork for a payday, or you've got the slimy political mud fighting that you've seen in the movies responsible for unearthing these skanks. Politicians have just gotten more creative since Watergate. In any case, it's a deterent to any normal and capable person running for office. Ever think about the barriers you will have to erect if you hit the lottery?

    I don't know how much of it is a game and what's real. The truth about our politics is that it doesn't matter. It's noise and negative association with a figure. That's primarily what Faux News and the right have been doing for the past three years and having a blast. No policy. No solutions. Just noise about President Obama, then tell idiot voters that it's a referendum and obligation to vote for them. That's how even a dimwit like Palin has maintained a presence in the Teapublican establishment.

    • 3 votes
    #1.3 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:21 PM EDT
    I'm God

    Clinton: "Let me say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

    Cain: "Let me say one thing. Don't even bother asking me all of these other questions that you all are curious about, OK? Don't even bother. What did I say? Excuse me. Excuse me!"

    I suspect this is going to come down to what the meaning of "is" is ...

    • 3 votes
    #1.4 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:21 PM EDT
    StevieGee

    I loathe this douchebag Cain as much as any other Liberal

    WTF?

    • 3 votes
    #1.5 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:29 PM EDT
    Rixar13

    The woman said he made sexually suggestive remarks or gestures about the same time that two co-workers had settled separate harassment complaints against Cain, who was then the head of the National Restaurant Association.

    Looks like a troubling pattern here.... rolling eyes

    She said the behavior included a private invitation to his corporate apartment.

    • 2 votes
    #1.6 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:52 PM EDT
    newwtricks

    Why now? Why is this woman who was hunted down by AP reporters coming out now? This happened in the late 1990's. And she only thought to mention it now, after several years? If Cain is guilty, then there should be charges brought against him in an open courtroom, and he should at least get the chance to face his accusers. This whole thing smells rotten. Way too many inuendos, and sources with no names. Not saying he is innocent, but I also don't remember any stained blue dresses being mentioned either.

    • 6 votes
    #1.7 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:00 PM EDT
    Indepvoter

    Who does he think he is? Bill Clinton.

    • 4 votes
    #1.8 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:05 PM EDT
    George-369262

    For you liberal types who have asked ' Where are the conservatives of color '?, this saga, and that of Clarence Thomas, answers that question. Clearly, being a black, high-profile conservative is to walk around with a target on your back. It is very similar to wearing glasses, and being educated, in Pol Pot's Cambodia.

    • 2 votes
    #1.9 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:20 PM EDT
    b dune

    George

    You repeated it just the way Limbaugh told you to.....look for your tshirt to be shipped out in the morning!

    btw George....since the story is now confirmed by:

    1. a former republican campaign aide of Cains in his 2004 Senate run (who Cain told about this incident in 2004)

    2 a Republican pollster who worked for Cain

    3. one of the accusers who is a non appointed govt worker and her husband is a Republican Lobbyist

    4. it is pretty well determined and Cain acknowledged the leak of the whole story came from Perrys camp...

    shouldn't you grab your sac and save the lecture to "liberals" and look within your own party?

    • 8 votes
    #1.10 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:39 PM EDT
    DS12

    It is very similar to wearing glasses, and being educated, in Pol Pot's Cambodia.

    Or it is very similiar to republicans saying drink the Kool Aid because Jim Jones said so?

    • 2 votes
    #1.11 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:42 PM EDT
    I'm God

    Why now? Why is this woman who was hunted down by AP reporters coming out now?

    Because Herman Cain just called her a liar on national television. If you were sexually harassed at work and the guy who did it called you a liar in front of the whole country, what would you do?

    • 6 votes
    #1.12 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:20 PM EDT
    mary kirk

    Do you mean the unknown,nameless,faceless female(s) called untruthful? Nah,the "ladies" want some TV appearance money and 15 MINUTES OF INFAMY!

    • 1 vote
    #1.13 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:50 PM EDT
    newwtricks

    @Imgod

    No, This woman has nothing to do with what Cain said. She never filed any complaints before. She wasn't paid a severance pay. She just now comes out, after being hunted down by AP reporters, claiming she was harrassed in the 90's. If it was a serious issue, why did she wait until now to mention it to anybody? That is what I am asking. Why now?

      #1.14 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:56 PM EDT
      jacqlyn

      When you put yourself in the LIMELIGHT, expect all of the DIRT!!! you have ever done, in your whole life, to come out. There is "NO" exception to the "RULE" !!!!

        #1.15 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:06 PM EDT
        I'm God

        You mean the third woman? Sure, that's just someone looking for a payday. Like we saw with Clinton, once the media feeding frenzy smells blood in the water, it bites anything that moves.

        In fact the sharks seem to be making a meal of all the Republican candidates now.

        • Romney's caught up in a Ponzi scheme.
        • Bachmann's staff are quitting en masse.
        • Santorum has come out against consensual sex.
        • Perry gives speeches while intoxicated.
        • Palin's aligned herself with North Korea.
        • Paul is campaigning against evolution.
        • And now you've got Cain turning into Clinton.

        Who's left on the right? Will conservatives just stay home in 2012?

        • 5 votes
        #1.16 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:27 PM EDT
        take2la

        There, by the footsteps of Gary Hart, goes Herman Cain. It's far too bad that we will never know the possible good these men will have done, all because a puritanical few killed their chances while Newt left his wife on her death bed and stays in the pundit race.

        #HYPOCRISY RULES THE 1%... and the 1% rules...everything...except Oakland...for now

        • 2 votes
        #1.17 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 12:08 AM EDT
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        Randy McMurphy

        How could this be? Ann Coulter said HER BLACKS are better?

        • 10 votes
        Reply#2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:28 PM EDT
        agagnu

        Strange bedfellows.

        • 1 vote
        #2.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:30 PM EDT
        T'omm J'Onzz

        does she mean the ones she picks up down at Times Square?

        • 6 votes
        #2.2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:40 PM EDT
        jacqlyn

        Blacks that have that slave mentality, are hero's, to witch coulter and the crazy crew!!!!!

        • 2 votes
        #2.3 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:45 PM EDT
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        Clint-746036

        How long ago was this? How old is Cain now? Did it really happen and if it did, what is the likelihood of it happening again? Cain is getting up in years and you tend to get less playful as time goes by... if you know what I mean. Not only that, this will make him the most cautious man on the planet. He will maintain a 50' radius around him and any woman inside that radius will be accompanied at all times.

        • 5 votes
        #3 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:28 PM EDT
        Ripley8

        less playful as time goes by ??

        well , he's not that old now and was younger then ! plus they had and have those helpful little pills !

        Just because a man gets old doesn't mean he has 'lost his swing' ...

        If this were one woman I could dismiss it. But 2 that were paid to keep quiet ? and now a third ??

        naw ,,,, he's trying to dodge .

        • 5 votes
        #3.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:36 PM EDT
        Clint-746036

        He's trying to dodge or they are trying to grab the lime light and the money that comes with it. It is very hard to figure out what is real and what isn't these days.

        • 4 votes
        #3.2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:38 PM EDT
        onipup

        Remember......barry paled around with a terrorist.

        Let's not forget Bill Ayers......

        I will take anyone over this a@@hat we have in the white house.

        • 3 votes
        #3.3 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:10 PM EDT
        Rhazes

        There is also a man that worked with Cain that has said that Cain sexually harassed a young women that was a new employee right in front of a room full of workers. He said everyone was talking about how its going to be a big problem because he kept doing it. More will be coming out soon if a whole room witnessed it there will be more that come forward.

        • 3 votes
        #3.4 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:12 PM EDT
        ZenFreedom

        It is very hard to figure out what is real and what isn't these days.

        That's what we all said when we heard he was a candidate, lol.

        • 3 votes
        #3.5 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:12 PM EDT
        Ripley8

        onipup

        Remember......barry paled around with a terrorist.

        Let's not forget Bill Ayers......

        I will take anyone over this a@@hat we have in the white house

        and Reagan made Bin Laden !

        • 5 votes
        #3.6 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:49 PM EDT
        Clint-746036

        and Reagan made Bin Laden

        Proof positive that people change. Reagan didn't befriend Bin Laden knowing that one day he would kill 3,000 Americans and anyone who is being intellectually honest knows that to be true.

        • 2 votes
        #3.7 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:06 PM EDT
        notsojingo

        Reagan didn't befriend Bin Laden knowing that one day he would kill 3,000 Americans and anyone who is being intellectually honest knows that to be true.

        No, that would be the Bush Family.

        • 2 votes
        #3.8 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:37 PM EDT
        Clint-746036

        No, that would be the Bush Family.

        Prove it!

        • 2 votes
        #3.9 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:42 PM EDT
        ww-2194637

        You gotta put your own work in here homie. Look it up!

        • 1 vote
        #3.10 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:44 PM EDT
        DS12

        No, that would be the Bush Family.

        Prove it!

        Clint here is a book for you to read about the long relationship that the bush family had with the bin laden's. You do remember after 911 that Pres Bush allowed them to gather their family and fly them out of the country?

        http://www.familyofsecrets.com/

        Reagan didn't befriend Bin Laden knowing that one day he would kill 3,000 Americans and anyone who is being intellectually honest knows that to be true.

        You are right Clint.....that would have been HW Bush during the oil boom in Texas and George Bush with relationships garnered through his father.

        • 3 votes
        #3.11 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:45 PM EDT
        jacqlyn

        I've been wondering how, Herman Cain being a whore-mongering, sexual predator, could some how be the fault of President Obama???????

          #3.12 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:43 PM EDT
          DS12

          jacqlyn....Color?

            #3.13 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:53 PM EDT
            Clint-746036

            Herman Cain being a whore-mongering, sexual predator,

            Take big leaps often? From possible harassment to this.?. not even close to honest.

              #3.14 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 12:01 AM EDT
              DS12

              Take big leaps often? From possible harassment to this.?. not even close to honest.

              Leap...Cain started not remembering to remembering parts to violating the settlement...his words....agreement.....Cain choose one?

              • 1 vote
              #3.15 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 12:08 AM EDT
              Clint-746036

              Has Cain been found guilty of anything yet? Women are paid off every day just to manage legal expenses. A five figure pay off doesn't mean anything other than there was probably an accusation. And the extra women piling on could mean there is a problem or it could just be sharks attracted to the smell of money.

                #3.16 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 2:34 AM EDT
                Ripley8

                Clint ... you assume these women did so at the same time or even knew one another. please point to the fact of this assumption.

                secondly , Cain has flip flopped on his defense of such ..one example where he can't get his story straight ...

                Cain also denied at first that either woman received a payment from the association to settle the charges. At the National Press Club in Washington that day, Cain told reporters, "I am unaware of any settlement" with the women who accused him of harassment. But later that day, he told Fox News' Van Susteren that in one case "there was some sort of settlement" worth "maybe three months' salary or something like that."

                A day later, Cain gave yet another answer to CNN's Robin Meade.

                The New York Times reported Nov. 2 that it was a year's salary, citing three unnamed people with "direct knowledge of the payment."

                In attempting to clarify his conflicting statements, Cain told Fox News on Nov. 1 that he initially denied that there was a settlement because "when I first heard the word 'settlement,' I thought legal settlement. My recollection later is that there was an agreement. So, I made assumption about the word 'settlement' that was legal."

                That doesn't explain, however, why Cain gave different settlement amounts — rising from "maybe three months" to perhaps as many as six months. Yes, as he has said, the payments were made many years ago. He was head of the association for two and a half years from December 1996 through mid-1999. But Cain has had ample time to get the record straight — beginning when Politico first approached his campaign about the allegations.

                http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-11-02/herman-cain-fact-check-allegations/51047208/1

                and now ?

                Cain camp points to Perry for harassment leak
                http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45138165/ns/politics-decision_2012/#.TrJtxHL14iY

                • 1 vote
                #3.17 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 6:36 AM EDT
                Clint-746036

                That's what I thought...he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet. And 13 years is a long time for anyone to remember details.

                It is interesting that the American people are so tired of the junkyard politics that this is actually improving Cain's popularity. It also says people are getting weary of PC.

                  #3.18 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 9:17 AM EDT
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                  Jerry333

                  There is no story here. Herman Cain cannot be guilty of sexual harassment or sexual misconduct in the workplace, because Bill Clinton proved beyond the shadow of any doubt that these supposed infractions do not exist.

                  If what media & liberal left darling Bill Clinton got away with was not sexual harassment and sexual misconduct in the workplace, then the whole concept of SEXUAL MISCONDUCT DOES NOT EXIST AND NEVER HAS.

                  Democrats, liberals, NOW, the left-wing media, etc. cannot have it both ways.

                  • 8 votes
                  #4 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:40 PM EDT
                  Clint-746036

                  Dang, Jerry. That was good!

                  • 3 votes
                  #4.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:45 PM EDT
                  PK Raja

                  Bill Clinton was impeached so I am not sure where this whole he got away thing is coming from.

                  • 3 votes
                  #4.2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:55 PM EDT
                  Clint-746036

                  He may have been impeached but he completed 8 years in office. And being that it was the Oval Office, I'm sure he had a good time.

                  • 6 votes
                  #4.3 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:57 PM EDT
                  Jerry333

                  He was impeached for perjury & obstruction of justice, not sexual harassment; and he was not convicted by the Senate or removed from office

                  He remains the darling hero of the liberal-left to this day; making millions of dollars for appearances, speeches, books, etc.

                  He got away with it.

                  • 3 votes
                  #4.4 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:15 PM EDT
                  Jerry333

                  Oh... BTW, he also keeps his Federal pension, expense account, and security detail.

                  • 4 votes
                  #4.5 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:18 PM EDT
                  ol doc gold

                  He may have been impeached but he completed 8 years in office. And being that it was the Oval Office, I'm sure he had a good time.

                  and inspite of it all he left with the highest approval rating of any post-WWII president...imagine that.

                  • 4 votes
                  #4.6 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:30 PM EDT
                  T'omm J'Onzz

                  consensual sex does not constitute sexual harassment or even sexual misconduct in the context it's being applied here.

                  • 6 votes
                  #4.7 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:37 PM EDT
                  Clint-746036

                  Sex with a young intern is hardly consensual. If he had been an Army General he would have been fired without question.

                  • 3 votes
                  #4.8 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:01 PM EDT
                  elpkidd

                  Monica was a willing partner. But, you gotta wonder why she kept that stained dress for so long.

                  • 3 votes
                  #4.9 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:15 PM EDT
                  T'omm J'Onzz

                  Sex with a young intern is hardly consensual.

                  was she an under-18 intern? some disability to giving informed consent? coerced? no, no, and no.

                  If he had been an Army General he would have been fired without question.

                  ... yeaaaaaaah, but he's not.

                  that's like saying if Lewinsky was a guy, it would've been totally homosexual and Clinton outed. again, not reality (tho you should really try it sometime).

                  you gotta wonder why she kept that stained dress for so long.

                  sheeeeit. if i had sex with a star, US president, or anybody of great notoriety that i considered a real 'get', i'd damn sure be keeping some memento. (but don't worry, Vin Diesel, it will never see the light of day; promise. #wink) hell, i did with boyfriends back when i was naïve and romantic.

                  • 5 votes
                  #4.10 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:45 PM EDT
                  Jerry333

                  1. Monica wasn't the only woman Bill misconducted with, she's the one who he was impeached for perjuring himself about.

                  2. With regard to Monica being a consensual relationship and therefore not "misconduct", let's ask the female interns who might have wanted a job in the Whitehouse, but didn't want to give Bill a BJ to get it. The fact remains that I and any other man (any other white male conservative man) would be fired, sued, and ruined immediately and without mercy for having sex in the workplace with a subordinate female employee, consensual or otherwise.

                  Once again, the blatant absurd hypocrisy of the left abounds.

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.11 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:03 PM EDT
                  jacqlyn

                  Ex-President Clinton + Jen+ Monica+ who the hell ever else = CONCENTING ADULTS

                  Herman Cain + 1 woman + 2 women +3 women = UGH!! get your ass away from ME!!!! ..... leave ME!!! .....alone, please !!!!

                  • 2 votes
                  #4.12 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:36 PM EDT
                  Clint-746036

                  Ex-President Clinton + Jen+ Monica+ who the hell ever else = CONCENTING ADULTS

                  This is a blatant double standard for most liberals. Most would be outraged if Clinton had been a Republican. Clinton was/is a powerful male who used his power to get what he wanted with young women. He also made himself a security risk because his relationships made him vulnerable to blackmail.

                    #4.13 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:50 PM EDT
                    Jerry333

                    So jacqlyn,

                    Can I summarize your position as follows:

                    • You would have no problem is your boss offered to provide better opportunities, benefits, and/or compensation to the women in your company who would "consent" to give him a BJ. After all, they are adults and would be "consenting".
                    • You would not be bothered if the boss raided your pension fund and used other company assets to cover up this activity so his wife and the stock-holders would not find out.
                    • And, of course, you would not be concerned if he lied to anyone investigating the possibility that he was behaving improperly. Because there is no improper behavior considering that they were all "consenting" adults.

                    Do I have your position described accurately?

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.14 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 12:08 AM EDT
                    ol doc gold

                    Jerry,

                    nice straw(wo)man argument.

                    Anyways, Bill Clinton was maligned and disgraced by the GOP for the whole sordid affair, investigated and impeached (the impetus provided by none other than our favorite GOP philanderer Newt Gingrich btw).

                    So the real double standard is that the GOP wasted MILLIONS of dollars on that investigation, but we should give Cain a pass because he is only a candidate?

                    It is the conservatives that set the precedence for sexual proclivity being a measure of character, so that is the standard we should hold them to.

                    • 4 votes
                    #4.15 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 1:56 AM EDT
                    Clint-746036

                    ol doc gold,

                    It wasn't about sex. Sex was involved but the problem was dishonesty, terrible leadership and our President becoming a security risk. If he had been one of the officers in the military he commanded he would have been tossed out on his ear. And if he had been a Republican the Democrats would have ordered a firing squad. Cain has been accused of harassment. He hasn't been found guilty of degrading the office of President.

                      #4.16 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 2:11 AM EDT
                      jmorris

                      Boy I am glad the Conservatives have finally come out in support for Bill Clinton after all this time! I thought they were going to hold his moral failings over his head forever.

                      • 5 votes
                      #4.17 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 8:55 AM EDT
                      Jennifer-2446215

                      jmorris

                      I guess it depends on who is doing the deeds, if the right has moral issues or not about those deeds.

                      • 1 vote
                      #4.18 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 11:26 AM EDT
                      ZenFreedom

                      If he had been one of the officers in the military he commanded he would have been tossed out on his ear.

                      You're kidding right? That kind of stuff happens everyday in the military and they never get tossed out on their ears. At the least they are simply asked to retire (with full pensions) and at most they are given letters of reprimand.

                      • 3 votes
                      #4.19 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 11:35 AM EDT
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                      FactOfTheMatter

                      And now is about the time the Cain train comes hurtling off the rails.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#5 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:17 PM EDT
                      gotme!!

                      You can say a lot , when you refuse to identify yourself . Convenient !

                      Read my lips , No new sexes .

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#6 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:21 PM EDT
                      ol doc gold

                      autophagia:

                      1) noun: The act of consuming itself.

                      example: The recent autophagia of the Republican party is funny as hell to watch.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#7 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:22 PM EDT
                      T'omm J'Onzz

                      a.k.a., GOP Will Eat Itself ^_^

                      • 2 votes
                      #7.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:32 PM EDT
                      jawill11

                      Schadenfreude: pleasure derived from the misfortune of others.

                      "I just can't help the feeling of schadenfreude over the autophagia of the Republican party!"

                      • 2 votes
                      #7.2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:44 PM EDT
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                      bassdad

                      "....blame yo' sef!!!"

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#8 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:28 PM EDT
                      T'omm J'Onzz

                      maybe that's what Herm is smilin' and laughin' about at the end of his little smoking commercial. :\

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#9 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:31 PM EDT
                      SimplexiT

                      Fact: Men aren't allowed to flirt with women 20 years before they run for President.

                      He should have known better.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#10 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:33 PM EDT
                      Peter-2556560

                      This full thing about this guy is giving me a damn head-spin lol.

                      he was "never, never" accused of impropriety. "There's nothing else there to dig up," he says.

                      Who in the world would trust this guy now?

                        Reply#11 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:37 PM EDT
                        Zac Aaron

                        Three is a crowd

                          Reply#12 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:46 PM EDT
                          GoldenGateMami_Susi

                          How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Herman Cain?

                          A-wunnnn!!, A-tawooooo!!, A-thareeee!! Crrrrrrunnnnnch!

                          • 6 votes
                          Reply#13 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:00 PM EDT
                          Randy McMurphy

                          How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Herman Cain?

                          If I had to guess, it would be

                          NINE NINE NINE!!!

                          8^P

                          • 5 votes
                          #13.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:39 PM EDT
                          GoldenGateMami_Susi

                          LOL!

                          Touche :)

                          • 1 vote
                          #13.2 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 11:18 AM EDT
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                          DS12

                          Mr. Cain this puts you in an interesting position....it seems (not documentated but you did accuse Perry's campaign) as though your denials were hidden in a closet controlled by (curtis anderson) who you ended up in your oppenents campa ign who is amoung many that had knowledge of your "alleged" indiscretions and knew that $h!t fan was just getting spun up. Time was not your friend Cain. Your outspoken views are coming back to bite you hard in the A$$ and it would seem that Bloch may come to hurt you if you are listening to his advice."

                          Now the "high tech lynching" defense will only work for a small percentage of the public (IMO) since it was first used the knowledgable public knows that your admiration for a certain SC justice was cut short because the term SCARED a "democrat" to ending his confirmation. It will probably not work for you to associate with said justice or would it help you to NOW identify with as you so incorrectly put it "BRAINWASHED" people.

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#14 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
                          ww-2194637

                          Its all fun and games untill the accuser resembles your mother, sister.daughter.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#15 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:26 PM EDT
                          descrs-1664846

                          And the surprise is?  A lot of these guys get "side tracked" with power... it goes to their heads.  Look at John Edwards, Bill Clinton, and the list goes on and on and on.   Don't need him as our President...

                            Reply#16 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:08 PM EDT
                            Don-3344829

                            Cain is guilty and it sticks out like a sore thumb' there is no way that 3 women all one day just said lets get Cain. He is just as guilty as Clinton,Edwards,Foley and all those other deviates that denied right to the end. Cain is done his goose is cooked and there is not enogh GOP greenbacks to plug all the leaks.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#17 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:22 PM EDT
                            mary kirk

                            Well,I'm sure the femmes will crawl out to get their 15 minuteis and debase themselves for money money money. Afterall Mr Cain can't defend himself since sexual harrassment is simple to claim yet almost impossible to refute. Why bother considering the Cain family,his reputation when a sex harrassment complainant or almost complainant or somebody/anybody that maybe knew or worked with Mr Cain sometime during the last 40 years will get a chance to be on every yellow journalism TV news channel,maybe US Weekly,omigod even Rosie/Oprah! Let's face it one of the FlavorFlav girls got her own show,Snookie's raking it in and the Kardashians became are a brand. At 60 years old with 40 years experience in white collar paraprofessional and professional public and private sector I've seen many baseless "she said he said" alleged sexual harrassment claims made for profit,spite, to move up the corporate ladder or just to hold onto one's position when facing discharge for poor job performance. It made me ashamed of my own sex when educated women that are well able to hold their own and have career mobility abuse sexual harrassment laws.I never had a male coworker that ever doubted that I meant what I said.Have to say if it was my husband I would b....slap every one of these fame seeking females that crawl out of the slime to attack my husband.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#18 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:32 PM EDT
                            Randy McMurphy

                            MK

                            Before you start with the poor martyr meme, take it up with Perry's campaign, They are the ones who brought the story out, and the head of the Nat'l rest association is a Perry donor... but now that it has Cain could have no worse enemy than himself everytime he opens his mouth on the issue...

                            • 1 vote
                            #18.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:07 PM EDT
                            mary kirk

                            maybe maybe not,who ever GOP/DEM/Perry/gardener,household or office worker that gave the unsubstantiated and salacious story with prurient intent to politico should be exposed as apparently politco's source was not Mr Cain or a female principal.

                            • 1 vote
                            #18.2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:14 PM EDT
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                            mary kirk

                            P.S. I would like to know exactly who the individual or GOP or DEM candidate org was that served the sex harrassment allegation story to politico.com

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#19 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:43 PM EDT
                            differnet

                            Remember when the Republicans defended Schwarzenegger and said the women were all lying.... This smells familiar....

                              Reply#20 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:55 PM EDT
                              mary kirk

                              Don't think we have any idea of Maria's true arrangement with her Arnold. MrsKENNEDYschwartzenegger was quick to consolidate her victimhood and divorce settlement status when she fed the media Arnold's randy history as she rushed onto OprahTV.

                              • 2 votes
                              #20.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:09 PM EDT
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                              black spider

                              Clinton was a groper, a rapist and violated moral ethics. But hey, "he's a Democrat".

                              Yeah, let's look the other way.

                              This is a lynching. Cain should not even talk to the filth that run the liberal slime media.

                              Remember when GW Bush and McCain pleaded with Congress and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd to stop the housing bubble?

                              What did the media do? NOTHING..... and $8 trillion in bank bailouts later, nothing has been mentioned about the lack of oversight, nothing about the 25 million people out of work, nothing about the $15 trillion debt, no it's all about Cain.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#21 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:58 PM EDT
                              Randy McMurphy

                              Spare me spider, from the looks of it Cain was set up by GOOpers to fail, a republican pollster said He witnessed this firsthand , and oh, did you stop to realize who leaked it..hint it wasn't Democrats are the so called "Liberal media" which is actually the conservative corporate conglomerate media, who loves this pablum over policy.

                              Roundup: Cain Campaign Blames Perry Camp For Leaking Allegations
                              BJ Austin, KERA News & Wire Services (2011-11-02)

                              Talk Radio News Service (cc) flickr
                              DALLAS, TX (KERA) - Herman Cain's presidential campaign is accusing rival Rick Perry's operation of being behind stories about sexual harassment allegations against Cain in the 1990s.

                              Cain specifically blames a Perry consultant, Curt Anderson. He says he told Anderson about the sexual harassment allegations when Anderson was working on Cain's 2004 Senate campaign.

                              http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kera/news.newsmain/article/0/0/1870850/North.Texas/Roundup.Cain.Campaign.Blames.Perry.Camp.For.Leaking.Allegations

                              • 4 votes
                              #21.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:24 PM EDT
                              DS12

                              Clinton was a groper, a rapist and violated moral ethics. But hey, "he's a Democrat".

                              So black spider...care to comment well after the fact about the former vice lady Laura Bush? and why her history was NEVER made a campaign issue?

                              • 1 vote
                              #21.2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:57 PM EDT
                              black spider

                              Laura Bush was not running for POTUS.

                              LEt's talk about the spouses and govt fraud by Feinstein and Pelosi!!!

                              GOTCHA messin in the cookie jar!

                                #21.3 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 1:42 PM EST
                                DS12

                                Laura Bush was not running for POTUS.

                                No her husband was but the "liberal media" looked the other way but since her husband was a republican that makes it okay/s

                                Fraud occured in both parties to long to list here so false point.

                                • 1 vote
                                #21.4 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 4:37 PM EST
                                Reply
                                Arrowspace

                                Here they come... like cockroaches scurrying around when the lights get switched on.

                                Now the copycats and the minions of the democratic party will come out to trash Herman Cain.

                                Shameless...

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#22 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:59 PM EDT
                                jmorris

                                Now the copycats and the minions of the democratic republician party will come out to trash Herman Cain.

                                Fixed that for ya.

                                • 3 votes
                                #22.1 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 8:59 AM EDT
                                Jennifer-2446215

                                Arrowspace

                                I gave you check by mistake. It should been for jmorris next in line. If I could I would give your comment a -1. Can the vine deduct one please. thank you

                                One more comment - When it comes out that your own party destroyed Cain who actually destroyed himself by his own actions, will we be getting a revised statement from you?

                                • 1 vote
                                #22.2 - Thu Nov 3, 2011 11:32 AM EDT
                                Reply
                                Hayduke1

                                Dammit, I wish these women would wait to spill the beans until AFTER Cain wins the nomination....

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#23 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:05 PM EDT
                                Zonker

                                Mary Kirk... you would "b!tch slap" these females even if they were telling the truth?  We really have only heard Cain's side, which he doesn't seem to remember much.  I don't need a President with that bad of a "senior moment".  The women haven't been allowed to tell their side of this story due to THEIR upholding of the agreement.  Cain has violated this agreement calling it all "lies".  So much for upholding the rule of law.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#24 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:06 PM EDT
                                mary kirk

                                Honey it is not a senior moment,any female knows how to make herself clear IF she wishes to establish work related boundaries. At age 20,I like most women was no little girl that needed to cry sexual harrassment against society's big bad wolf aka the male.

                                • 1 vote
                                #24.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:21 PM EDT
                                mary kirk

                                they took and enjoyed the settlement money.

                                  #24.2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:28 PM EDT
                                  Zonker

                                  First, don't patronize me with "honey". My wife might b!tch slap you. Cain's "senior moment" is not "remembering" at first, then calling this all lies, then remembering something about an agreement, etc. He remembers the bits and pieces that fit for him. These women WORKED for him. He was the friggin CEO!. They had to try to be tactful or it's pink slip time. You are trashing these women without ever hearing their side. But that is the conservative, republican way. stand up for Cain even if he's guilty. And i guarantee, the truth will come out.

                                    #24.3 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:48 PM EDT
                                    Reply
                                    Randy McMurphy

                                    Arrowspace

                                    Why are you lashing out at the democratic party? Your boy Perry's gang let the can out of the bag, I for one wish we didn't have to give a damn who screws who so long as its consensual, but harassment gives a new meaning to creepy with that 9 min smile in his Tv ad...

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#25 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:11 PM EDT
                                    mary kirk

                                    If it was Perry campaign if he lasts 3 more weeks,my FL Jan 2012 primary vote will be to send him crawling home to TX.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #25.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:24 PM EDT
                                    Randy McMurphy

                                    Face it Mary, you are going to have deal with the reality that I knew before this gop primary circus started that the least digestable to conservative candidate is going to be in '12

                                    Romney !

                                    I don't agree with Ann Culter much but I do believe she was right when she said its going to be Romney and you will lose...

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #25.2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:29 PM EDT
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