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What next? Lawmakers look to undo the back-up plan

Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:40 PM EST
politics, us, debt, cuts, supercommittee, education-department, automatic-cuts
Donna Cassata , Associated Press
Senator Jon Kyl says the negotiators are having trouble reaching agreements on taxes. COURTESY: NBC's 'Meet the Press'
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<p>FILE - In this Sept. 13, 2011 file photo Supercommittee co-chairs Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, left, and Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., center, listen as the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction hears testimony about the history of the national debt by the Congressional Budget Office director on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Sept. 13, 2011.  At right is Senate Republican Whip Jon Kyl, R-Ariz. Failure by Congress’ debt-cutting supercommittee to recommend $1.2 trillion in savings by Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2011, is supposed to automatically trigger spending cuts in the same amount to accomplish that job. But the same legislators who concocted that budgetary booby trap just four months ago could end up spending the 2012 election year and beyond battling over defusing it. (AP Photo/File/J. Scott Applewhite, File)</p>

FILE - In this Sept. 13, 2011 file photo Supercommittee co-chairs Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, left, and Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., center, listen as the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction hears testimony about the history of the national debt by the Congressional Budget Office director on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Sept. 13, 2011. At right is Senate Republican Whip Jon Kyl, R-Ariz. Failure by Congress’ debt-cutting supercommittee to recommend $1.2 trillion in savings by Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2011, is supposed to automatically trigger spending cuts in the same amount to accomplish that job. But the same legislators who concocted that budgetary booby trap just four months ago could end up spending the 2012 election year and beyond battling over defusing it. (AP Photo/File/J. Scott Applewhite, File)

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WASHINGTON — Don't look for the Pentagon to shut down one side of its famous five-sided building. Don't expect the Education Department to pull back its grants just yet.

With the collapse of the deficit-cutting supercommittee, Congress' emergency backup budget-cutting plan now is supposed to take over — automatic, across-the-board spending reductions of roughly $1 trillion from military as well as domestic government programs.

But the big federal deficit reductions that are to be triggered by Monday's supercommittee collapse wouldn't kick in until January 2013. And that allows plenty of time for lawmakers to try to rework the cuts or hope that a new post-election cast of characters — possibly a different president — will reverse them.

Congress' defense hawks led the charge Monday, arguing that the debt accord reached by President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans last summer already inflicted enough damage on the military budget. That agreement set in motion some $450 billion in cuts to future Pentagon accounts over the next decade.

The defense hawks were backed up in part by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, who warned of a hollow force but implored Congress to produce a debt plan to avoid cuts "that will tear a seam in the nation's defense."

The supercommittee's failure to produce a deficit-cutting plan of at least $1.2 trillion after two months of work is supposed to activate the further, automatic cuts, half from domestic programs, half from defense. Combined with the current reductions, the Pentagon would be looking at nearly $1 trillion in cuts to projected spending over 10 years.

Obama declared he would veto any effort to undo the automatic cuts. But there are sure to be efforts in that direction.

"Our military has already contributed nearly half a trillion to deficit reduction. Those who have given us so much have nothing more to give," said House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., in promising to introduce legislation to prevent the cuts.

Sens. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a member of the panel, said they would "pursue all options" to avoid deeper defense cuts.

The congressional rank and file may be determined to spare defense and undo the automatic cuts, but there's hardly unanimity. Deficit-cutting tea partyers within the GOP side with liberal Democrats in signaling they're ready to allow military reductions. In addition, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said they would abide by the consequences of the deficit-fighting law — and they control what legislation moves forward.

Freshman Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., a tea party favorite, even questioned the legitimacy of the outcry over the military reductions, from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta contending the cuts would be devastating to McKeon's warning that they would "cripple our ability to properly train and equip our force, significantly degrading military readiness."

"I think we need to be honest about it," Paul said in an interview on CNN Sunday. "The interesting thing is there will be no cuts in military spending. This may surprise some people, but there will be no cuts in military spending because we're only cutting proposed increases. If we do nothing, military spending goes up 23 percent over 10 years. If we sequester the money, it will still go up 16 percent. So spending is still rising under any of these plans."

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the planned Pentagon budget for 2021 would be some $700 billion, an increase over the current level of about $520 billion. The cuts already in the works plus the automatic reductions would trim the projected amount by about $110 billion.

"It's not a decrease in the military budget. It's reducing the increase," said John Isaacs, executive director of Council for a Livable World and Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation.

But McCain and Graham have been working on legislation that would undo the automatic defense reductions and instead impose a 5 percent across-the-board reduction in government spending combined with a 10 percent cut in pay for members of Congress.

The Senate resumes work next week on a massive defense bill, a possible candidate for any effort to rework or undo the cuts.

"It's a near certainty they will try to get out from under it," Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan group advocating fiscal discipline, said of the automatic cuts. "It's equally certain they will damage their credibility if they do so."

The next year-plus plays out in a politically charged atmosphere, with Obama's Republican presidential rivals Mitt Romney and Rick Perry already criticizing the commander in chief for the proposed cuts in defense.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said it was imperative for Obama "to ensure that the defense cuts he insisted upon do not undermine national security" as Panetta has warned.

Congressional Republicans and Democrats must also decide in the coming weeks whether to extend unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless and leave in place a payroll tax cut enacted last year to prop up the economy.

One other costly question is whether to fix the Medicare payment formula to prevent a nearly 30 percent cut in reimbursements to doctors.

At the end of 2012, Congress must decide whether to extend the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts enacted under President George W. Bush. Democrats want to allow them to expire for wealthy Americans, Republicans want to extend them.

Under the automatic cuts, the Pentagon would face a 10 percent cut in its $550 billion budget in 2013. On the domestic side, education, agriculture and environmental programs would face cuts of around 8 percent.

The law exempts Social Security, Medicaid and many veterans' benefits and low-income programs. It also limits Medicare to a 2 percent reduction.

"It doesn't begin for 13 months," said Jim Kessler, vice president for policy at the centrist-Democratic group Third Way. "Between now and then is an eternity for Congress."

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Associated Press writers Andrew Taylor and Alan Fram contributed to this report.

© 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Rodney E. Rhodan

I've formed a petition, requesting and investigation into the congressional members action of signing grover norquist pledge. I allege the republican members, violated the 16th amendment to the constitution, by signing this pledge. I also allege that these members are in dereliction of congressional duties, and misconduct of congressional members.

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direct violation of the 16th amendment, misconduct, dereliction of congress.

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:59 PM EST
VetteLover

Was the so called "Super Committee" even constitutional from the beginning??? This whole thing was doomed from the start. This was to much power handed to a small group of people. I say go back to what Simpson-Bowles had to say in the beginning. THEY HAD NO SKIN IN THE GAME or VOTERS to pander too!!

People here in the vine on bothsides of the isle were calling BS on this committee!!

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:12 PM EST
GIL-2076580

It is about time for the militrary budget to be cleaned up. All of the defense cutting can be done mostly just by cleaning their spending act. They will need to cut about $600 Billion starting in 2013. "

That would bring the Pentagon's base budget in 2013 back to a 2007 level, after adjusting for inflation," said Todd Harrison. He is an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. Already The Pentagon is planning for a $450 billion budget reduction over the next decade by canceling several costly development programs for weapons and gear it didn't really need. The military is a huge operation to manage. It has a lot of wasted tax dollars through bad price controls, bad inventory management, redundancy, and fraud and theft. Consider all those billions that disappeared in Iraq. "The GAO found the Defense Logistics Agency often double ordered spare parts, wasting about $7.1 billion over three years; while a Congressional report showed fraud and waste among military contractors in Afghanistan and Iraq siphoned off up to $60 billion since 2002."

One of the biggest problems is systemic: When the time to file for for funds for the new budget, the bank account has to emptied before the cutoff date so as to justify the need for the present amount budgeted PLUS the automatic increase deemed necessary to keep up to inflation. This forces a splurging mindset and lots of auction items that new and unused, but still needed.

These examples are just a tip of the iceberg. Its time for the U.S. military to really get lean and mean as the rest of us must do.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:53 PM EST
canary-in-the-coal-mine

cut their sorry military asses by 1/2 and don't give them new toys. Shut 90% of overseas bases and withdraw completely and entirely from IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN. STOP TRYING TO BE POLICEMAN TO THE WORLD

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:36 PM EST
Zoolopolis

They've made their bed, now lay in it.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:01 PM EST
xrayspex

But of course !! Our "representatives" are EPICALLY FAILING to do their jobs, which is reflected in the 9% approval rating of Congress (Paris Hilton has a higher approval rating) !!!

The American people need to contact their representatives and demand they get off their dead a$$es, work together and do what's right for the country !! I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to actually happen !!!

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:29 PM EST
xrayspex

I'm mad as hell at both parties, because BOTH refuse to deal in reality !! The Democrats on the supercommittee didn't propose ANY spending cuts and the Republicans refusal to consider a return to the Clinton era tax rates means we may well end up in a budget crisis similar to Europe's !!

I have no problem with raising tax rates, especially on the well to do, but those raised rates have to happen AFTER across the board cuts in spending and staffing levels across the entire Federal Government or they're simply never going to happen !!

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:49 PM EST
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Idj

I'am sending e mails to all my congressional members, Repub & Dem, HOUSE and SENATE, to introduce Resolutions to BAN their members from trying to dance around their 'dereliction of duty' to solve this country's problems!

The regular members of congress kicks the can over to the Super Committee. The Super Committee fails to reach an agreement! Now the 'pledge signers' want to work around their prior agreement; obstensively to protect 'THEIR' (SPECIAL INTEREST) financiers!

Sounds eerily like allowing Bush's Tax Cuts for the wealthy to expire after TEN YEARS, which was the Republican's original plan! Then they say,"extend them for two more years", if you want to extend Unemployment Ins Payments and raise the debt ceiling! Now 'THEY' are saying.'Make the expensive tax cuts permanent", or else! What is wrong with this picture?

Wake up people. Realize you are not ever going to guess which (shell the pea is under) when dealing with Republicans,you're not suppose to. This game is a SCAM to take your money, starting at the bottom of course. Vote the Republicans out;Local,State and Federal, VOTE THEM OUT OF YOUR LIVES...and as they EXIT, tell them to take 'Their' Grover Norquist with them...

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:02 PM EST
canary-in-the-coal-mine

get rid of most of the DEMS as well - this is CLASSIC "pork barrel" - spend like a drunken sailor because it benefits your home constituency (whether the military NEEDS the hardware or NOT - spend spend spend)

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:38 PM EST
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Pat P11111

"It's not a decrease in the military budget. It's reducing the increase," said John Isaacs, executive director of Council for a Livable World and Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation.

So that's why the benefits that I have paid for during my entire working life need to be reduced.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:35 PM EST
chitownty

The Republicans will try to do that,but if won't fly.The President said this evening that to de-couple any plan woud be vetoed.In other words,both spending cuts and revenue increases must be in any deal.Besides,we both know there are any things in the Pentagon budget that we can do without.

  • 7 votes
#3.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:03 PM EST
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Kc77

Sens. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a member of the panel, said they would "pursue all options" to avoid deeper defense cuts.

Wait, wait. So we don't care about the deficit any more?

  • 9 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:14 PM EST
chitownty

Nope,and they never have.

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:27 PM EST
MJMullinII

And why should they...only a moron refuses free money (and when you can borrow money for less interest cost than the inflation rate, it IS literally free money)

Everyone understands this, and the only time politicians have any problem with it is when the opposite party to them is in charge.

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:33 PM EST
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concerned67

Well they can draw up all kinds of sh--it because they didn't do they job. Obama has already said today that he would veto any planned bills to de couple the plan objective. He said they have to do their job. So damn Republicans get your head out of your a---ss and do your damn job and forget Grover Norquist and that stupid pledge. Do what you are getting paid to do your job. Work for the people and not Grover Norquist.

  • 8 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:17 PM EST
Mary-1324335

The Grover Norquist interview on Sixty Minutes last night was chilling. He is arrogant and pompous. I was appalled at his "Hall of Shame/Fame."

  • 8 votes
#5.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:20 PM EST
Linda-3523748

I am so glad to see people are catching on. Spread the word and remind everyone you know to vote. God help us all if they manage to slither back in. I watched 60 minutes as well and I tell you what else is chilling is the amount of republicans who do not have a clue what or who Norquist is and have such hatred for Obama because thats what the fox media tells them to think. We are in scarey times. Obama sure aint perfect either but is a damn side better than the current alternatives.

  • 9 votes
#5.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:37 PM EST
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Awed and Amazed

We all knew this was coming with the "Supercommittee." At least that's why I was pissed when this "deal" was struck.

At some point Congress is going to have to do what it was elected to do. If you can't figure it out and compromise like adults, go the F&#* home (please send all corporate donations to the U.S. Treasury while you're at it, we have bills we need to pay that you won't seem to take care of).

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:22 PM EST
MJMullinII

Luckily for the American Voter, the "backup plan" is very simple -- Elect Adults to Congress in 2012.

You tried electing "feel good" candidates in 2010, and now you have the result. Come 2012, use the anger and rage you have pent up for a constructive use...show the out of touch right-wing exactly who runs this country.

Simple example of the benefits of electing adults to Government: January 2009, the economy was losing 700,000 jobs.

By December 2010, less than two years with Democrats at the helm, and it was gaining 250,000.

Now, less than a year after taking off, the Republicans have brought it back to stalled (threatening a double-dip recession.

Never have a seen an easier ad campaign [for Democrats, I mean] than that.

  • 7 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:49 PM EST
nospin1

Wrong mj - the "feel good" candidate was elected in 2008 and in 2010 the people spoke as they will again in 2012.

    #7.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:09 PM EST
    MJMullinII

    At #7.1 -- And that's why Republicans are polling in the single digits while the President polls in the 40s?

    I know you have to hold onto the fantasy that the entire country is really a hard right-wing utopia in hiding...but you and I both know it isn't.

    65% of the general public support raising taxes on those making 400,000 Americans making over $1,000,000. 53% of Republicans -- REPUBLICANS -- support the same.

    You know damn well that with those numbers, Republicans are going to have a hard time with the "eat your peas" attitude (after all, we see how well it served Democrats in 2010, huh?)

    I'm not asking you to agree that it's right, I'm asking you to recognize reality.

    • 5 votes
    #7.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:15 PM EST
    nospin1

    I am all for tax code modifications/revisions and reduced government spending.

    I put little faith in polls as the results are a matter of who asked the questions, what were the choices available to the participants and who was polled. They generally favor the political position of the poll takers.

    I do know that in 2010 the dems fared poorly in the election as the voters liked what the repubs were doing (or disliked what the dems were doing) or a bit of both.

    We will have to wait until the 2012 election results are in to truly see what Americans want.

    BTW - highlighting does not make enhance your comments.

      #7.3 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:17 AM EST
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      JAVE

      Is Congress trying to undo it really a surprise? From the start this budget deal was simply a vehicle for the Republicans to get what they wanted and for Obama to claim a victory by giving it to them. Who really took it seriously?

      • 2 votes
      Reply#8 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:16 PM EST
      Linda-3523748

      Last I heard the pubs DO NOT want spending cuts in defense. Well guess what, there will be cuts in defense as a result of this lack to compromise and the bush tax cuts WILL drop off this year. I dont think that was the republican plan and Obama said he will veto any efforts to get rid of these automatic spending cuts. And they better not touch ss and medicare cause it didnt help create the deficit one bit. I guess it makes sense to take away from the old and poor and give the help to the richest among us doesnt it? Both parties are idiots with pubs being the worst. imo

        #8.1 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:55 AM EST
        JAVE

        Last I heard the pubs DO NOT want spending cuts in defense.

        Defense is everything from weapons systems to pay raises for the troops. I doubt they will squeal because Obama's plan lead to cuts for our troops. Did Obama define these defense cuts or did he leave them up the the Republicans? Will President Obama ax the big contracts for the needs of the common serviceperson? I guess we'll see now.

        And they better not touch ss and medicare cause it didnt help create the deficit one bit.

        A monkey better not fly out my ass either. Is it a surprise that the only part of Obama's health care plan the GOP shut up about is the cuts to doctors and hospitals under Medicare and Medicaid? President Obama is not maintaining Medicare and Medicaid dollars to health care providers as was done in the past in the USA. Obama's scheme helps insurance companies at the expense of real world health care providers. Have any hospitals or clinics closed down recently around your way? Does the average person have better healthcare access in the real world?

        Americans like and expect to not make the hard choice of paying $200K to treat Mom for a 2 week hospital stay or to buy some books and clothes for the kids.

          #8.2 - Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:01 AM EST
          scott9876

          Defense is everything from weapons systems to pay raises for the troop

          How much do we need? Do we need a US base in Germany or Japan? What do the Germans do with the money the save on their military spending? Oh thats right they put it back into their economy and provide health care for their citizens.

          Think about this. the best air force in the world is the US Air Force, the second best air force is the US Navy.

          We have had better luck with predator strikes and NATO missions than we did in both wars. We have too much military stuff we don't need.

          Purple Hearts are still being given out that have been in stock since World War II

            #8.3 - Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:14 PM EST
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            scott9876

            So President Obama is the adult in the room. You want cuts but wont act, he will.

            Why do we need a base in Germany?

              Reply#9 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:51 PM EST
              canary-in-the-coal-mine

              or Japan or Korea or Saudi or Kuwait or Dubai or any one of MANY others - 90% are WASTE

              • 1 vote
              #9.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:43 PM EST
              chitownty

              We don't,except for Landstuhl which serves wounded troops,and Ramstein through which those troops are transported.

              • 1 vote
              #9.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:45 PM EST
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              wcalvin

              It's amazing how no one asks Bush about the polical currency of the "cut" issues today like he is not on the planet and not part of the thought process and architecture of this.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#10 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:09 PM EST
              demdame

              This is the Snidely Whiplash of all Congresses

                Reply#11 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:33 PM EST
                baddestbob

                we can talk about govt waste, fraud, foreign aid, and whatever is the current budget boogeyman de jour all we want, but the fact of the matter is that defense, social security and medicare/medicaid now make up about 2/3 of our spending. all the aforementioned things matter little. we have to ask ourselves if we are willing to pay for national defense and the social security, medicare/medicaid plans or are we going to eliminate most or all of this spending, if we do not wish to generate the revenue necessary to pay for them. it is a simple concept. if you want it, you must pay for it. if you do not wish to pay for it, eliminate it. there are no simple, painless solutions such as supply side economics that we can find to resolve this problem. we either eliminate the expensive programs, raise money to pay for them, or find a solution which incorprorates cuts and tax increases. massive tax cuts will not be nor are they the answer. that theory is as dead as its most popular proponent, ronald reagan.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#12 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:45 PM EST
                CraigPooleDeleted
                sportysue

                The Bush tax cuts have practically bankrupted us and Republicans/business party want to cut taxes for the wealthy even more. What nonsense. Also, does anybody ever mention that cuts to programs leads to more unemployment. The more money gets cut, the higher unemployment will go cause people will be fired cause there is less money to work with. We have been put in a terrible situation.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#14 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:38 AM EST
                Just My 2 Coppers

                http://just-my-2-coppers.newsvine.com/_news/2011/11/22/8945379-we-could-fix-this

                We could fix this. I am tired of the excuses from both sides.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#15 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:08 AM EST
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