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Rep. Barney Frank to retire, closing long career

Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:15 AM EST
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David Espo, AP Special Correspondent
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FILE - In this Dec. 22, 2010 file photo, Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass. applauds at the Interior Department in Washington. Frank's office says he won't seek re-election in 2012. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci, File)

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WASHINGTON — Democratic Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts does not intend to seek re-election in 2012, his office said Monday, closing out a career of more than three decades in Congress capped by last year's passage of legislation imposing new regulations on Wall Street.

Frank, 71 and a lifelong liberal, won a House seat in 1980 was one of the first lawmakers to announce that he is gay.

He scheduled an early afternoon news conference in Newton, Mass., to make a formal announcement of his retirement plans.

Sixteen other Democrats have announced plans not to seek new House terms in 2012, compared with six Republicans.

As chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, Frank was instrumental in passage of the Dodd-Frank bill, which contained the stiffest restrictions on banks and Wall Street since the Great Depression. The measure clamped down on lending practices and expanded consumer protections to prevent a repeat of the 2008 meltdown that knocked the economy to its knees.

Over the years, Frank consistently came down on the liberal side of public issues, opposing the war in Iraq and bills to cover its expenses.

More than two decades ago, Frank was reprimanded by the House for using his congressional status on behalf of a male prostitute whom he had employed as a personal aide, including seeking dismissal of 33 parking tickets.

"I should have known better. I do now, but it's a little too late," Frank said at the time.

Democrats rebuffed Republican calls for Frank's expulsion, and instead, the Massachusetts Democrat resumed a career that far outlasted many of those who had sought his ouster.

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samenslow

One of the good guys, agree with him or not. He was always fun to watch in a debate. I remember when Reagan was trying to pass ketchup off as a vegetable in school lunches. He quipped, "When the said family values, I didn't know they meant Adam's Family Values." He knew his stuff and did what he believed right. One man who had great respect for him was Jack Kemp. Hate to see him go, but best of luck to him.

  • 14 votes
#1 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:58 AM EST
Frisco Kid

He quipped, "When the said family values, I didn't know they meant Adam's Family Values.

Here is another little quip...he is such a funny guy :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE&feature=player_embedded

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:56 AM EST
sjayne2355

Hip, hip, hurray! An early Christmas present for America!

  • 14 votes
#1.2 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:04 PM EST
Physicist-retired

Barney,

Thank you for your service. While I can certainly understand your choice to leave a completely dysfunctional Congress, and enjoy your remaining years, I will also say that we need you more than ever now.

You will be sorely missed.

  • 11 votes
#1.3 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:45 PM EST
bore-head007

Man, you said it!

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:47 PM EST
webslinger

sjayne,

May you be so lucky as to have career lasting as long as his (he's 71 remember?), accomplish as much as he has, and be loved by so many as he is.......it's a damn shame how he has been vilified by the right, and how his homosexuality has been demonized and how so many hate him for so little - and have no clue about so much.

I only wish I had a representative that is half the man Barney Frank is...too bad I have a religious zealot, right wing nutjob, corporate stooge named John Carter.

  • 8 votes
#1.5 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:49 PM EST
NYPeach

So long you gas bag!

  • 9 votes
#1.6 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST
Dennis Chosen

Blithering Barney Frank should be in jail. How anyone in their right mind could find anything of worth or merit in this POS is beyond reason. Remember those names in here that are singing his praises... Remember their names when you see who else they praise. The same people who are for this maggot of society are the same who support Obama. They are willing to see our nation collapse to further their personal agendas.

  • 13 votes
#1.7 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:01 PM EST
webslinger

I'm a proud supporter - feel free to remember me.....too bad you show extreme hate and ignorance with your ridiculous comment.

  • 8 votes
#1.8 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:04 PM EST
Mr. Roger Rabbit

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  • 9 votes
#1.9 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:12 PM EST
lib50

I hope he is replaced by another democrat who has the balls he does.

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:12 PM EST
samenslow

I wish Frank could have responded personally. He has little patience with people who have no idea about what they speak. As I noted above he was admired by Jack Kemp, hardly a raving liberal, but that was before you had to hate the opposition.

Take my name too. Gee, I feel like I am back in grade school when hall monitors "took names". What is next, "I'll see you guys at recess."?

  • 4 votes
#1.11 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:13 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Thank goodness...Dodd and Frank who stupidly engineered the collapse of the housing market by looking the way are done. They decided to take their ball and go home. Too bad we, the taxpayers they screwed, have to pay his benes and retirement for the rest of their pathetic life.

  • 12 votes
#1.12 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:14 PM EST
Mr. Roger Rabbit

I hope he is replaced by another democrat who has the balls he does.

He has the balls, no question, the question is - does he have the brain to put them to a good use? I hope the new person has the brains, regardless of his/hers genitalial configuration.

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:15 PM EST
Marshall James

Its a good day when a corporation status quo pos retires.

his contribution to the collapse of our economy is well known....

good riddance you piece of @!$%#....you have helped destroy the lives of millions.

  • 11 votes
#1.14 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:20 PM EST
NYPeach

I wish Frank could have responded personally. He has little patience with people who have no idea about what they speak.

Ok....who would be afwaid of Bawny Fwank? LOL Sorry couldn't resist....just can't imagine anyone being afraid of such a spineless blow hard!

  • 9 votes
#1.15 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:22 PM EST
NYPeach

In honor of Bawny Fwank and his legacy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5NrqqK60OI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-YtqVIKTTE&feature=related

  • 5 votes
#1.16 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:30 PM EST
NYPeach

Bawny Fwank caught in a lie.....you just can't make this up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UZ9l_AxKjA&feature=related

  • 6 votes
#1.17 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:35 PM EST
Spikegary

First this:

I only wish I had a representative that is half the man Barney Frank is...too bad I have a religious zealot, right wing nutjob, corporate stooge named John Carter.

Followed by:

.....too bad you show extreme hate and ignorance with your ridiculous comment.

Really, this is the stuff of an SNL routine.

  • 5 votes
#1.18 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:36 PM EST
Rixar13

Thank you for your service Barney Frank....

  • 6 votes
#1.19 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:45 PM EST
NYPeach

What's really amazing is how easily the left is eager to forgive, overlook or simply ignore the corruption within there own party!

  • 8 votes
#1.20 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:45 PM EST
sjayne2355

Webslinger,

May you be so lucky as to have career lasting as long as his (he's 71 remember?), accomplish as much as he has, and be loved by so many as he is...

Thank you for your warm wishes, but, my career has already been as long, many of those years really creating jobs for Americans (I'm no where near 71), I believe my accomplishments may very well rival his and I am loved by very many people all over the world....you might say we are even and the tax payers of America have never paid me over $3 million for doing it.

  • 7 votes
#1.21 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:53 PM EST
Ripley8

vol fan in chatt, tn

Thank goodness...Dodd and Frank who stupidly engineered the collapse of the housing market by looking the way is done, decided to take their ball and go home.

mmmmmmm no you can thank cons for that.

Gramm-Leach-Bliley effectively repealed the second Glass-Steagall Act which, among other things, barred investment banks and retail banks from merging. Gramm-Leach-Bliley effectively removed this restriction, allowing a single institution to both create a debt-based investment, and then facilitate its sale.

Senate Vote On Passage: S. 900 [106th]: Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s1999-105

1 democrat voted for it. 0 republicans voted against it.

  • 4 votes
#1.22 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:16 PM EST
lib50

What's really amazing is how easily the left is eager to forgive, overlook or simply ignore the corruption within there own party!

Haha. Pot, meet kettle. Which party is going back to Newt (need I list his corruption and lack of morals?)? The same party of "values" that elects a deadbeat dad? I can list a ton of them if you want. Barney Frank is not perfect (I've yet to find ANYBODY who is, especially a politician), but for the most part he is a champion for the people as opposed to those who only advocate for the elite.

  • 2 votes
#1.23 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:28 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

ripley, I don't even bother with your drivel anymore...it is a fact that is well know.

  • 5 votes
#1.24 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:36 PM EST
Rational AmeriCAN

Good riddance to one of the men responsible for the economic collapse. Guilty, corrupt, contemptible, and an outright stain on America.

What's with all the Democrats quitting (18 to date)? Fear of losing? Loss of power? Hitched your wagon to a losing horse?

  • 5 votes
#1.25 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:53 PM EST
Bill1488

GOOD, GET OUT AND STAY OUT!!!! Go be with your man!

  • 2 votes
#1.26 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:46 PM EST
NYPeach

. Barney Frank is not perfect (I've yet to find ANYBODY who is, especially a politician), but for the most part he is a champion for the people as opposed to those who only advocate for the elite.

You mean by bankrupting a country simply so people could buy a home they couldn't afford? Yea, a real champion he was!

  • 4 votes
#1.27 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:14 PM EST
Ripley8Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

vol fan in chatt, tn

ripley, I don't even bother with your drivel anymore...it is a fact that is well know.

the only drivel is your ignorance Vol...

can't argue the fact of the voting !!!

1 democrat voted for it. 0 republicans voted against it.

  • 5 votes
#1.28 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:30 PM EST
Lampell

Gramm-Leach-Bliley effectively repealed the second Glass-Steagall Act which, among other things, barred investment banks and retail banks from merging. Gramm-Leach-Bliley effectively removed this restriction, allowing a single institution to both create a debt-based investment, and then facilitate its sale.

The 2nd Glass Steagall Act? I was a stockbroker and in finance for 40 years, must have missed that one. BTW the Glass Steagall Act had already been shredded by the late 70s when banks and insurance companies were allowed to own brokerage firms. Bank of America bought Charles Schwab (later sold it back) way before the repeal, and Prudential purchased Bache back in 1981, during the silver bubble (worked for that company in the U.K. at the time.) And as we know Pres Clinton signed it, but lets give him a pass on that one.

On the subject of Barney you might want to look at several YouTube Videos where he vouched for Fannie Mae as being in good shape, when in reality they were out of money and had to be taken over. You might also want to look at how the charter for Fannie Mae was changed in 2007, the year that Barney became Chairman of the committe, Congress had the percentage of low income mortgages upped from 30 pct to 55pct which allowed low income people to buy homes but made Fannie Mae's balance sheet turn to @!$%#. BTW Fannie and Freddie continue to lose big bucks.

Today the FHA has taken over the role of Fannie and Freddie and now guarantee one third of all new mortgages while still taking only a 3pct deposit. Together Fannie, Freddie, GNMA and FHA issue or guarantee 90pct of all new mortgages. You can deny that Barney "influenced" Fannie, but check when the mandate for change in loan status occurred.

  • 1 vote
#1.29 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:32 PM EST
Ripley8

I would think your a stock broker that one would be wise not to invest with !

Opening Statement by U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel

of course no hearing or legislation came of it.

July 28, 2005
http://www.swnebr.net/newspaper/cgi-bin/articles/printversion.pl?157683

interestingly ............

Freddie investigates lobbying of republicans that stopped regulation

From reports that have been surfacing, the investigation is centered on three major points.

1. An accounting of the work done for the $2 million in payments to the DCI Group. It targeted 17 Republican senators in 13 states working to defeat Hagel's regulatory legislation by convincing prominent constituents and financial contributors the bill would hurt the housing boom. The measure was never brought to a vote and died.

2. An accounting of six-figure payments to 52 outside lobbying firms and political consultants in 2006, including details about what work, if any, the consultants performed for the money paid to their firms. The consultants included former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and ex-Sen. Alfonse D'Amato. The payments to the 52 consultants amounted to $11.7 million. D'Amato's firm, which was paid $240,000, declined to comment. Gingrich's firm was paid $300,000 for strategic advice on a number of issues.

3. An accounting of personal use by Freddie Mac executives of company-paid tickets and a company-leased skybox at the Verizon Center. Freddie Mac executive Hollis McLoughlin, who oversaw the $2 million campaign by DCI, was photographed by the AP in Freddie Mac's leased skybox four months ago at the season home opener of the Washington Capitals hockey team.

What really stands out to me is the way the lobbyists targeted Republican Senators to stop the legislation from going forward. I can't help but wonder how they managed to convince enough of these Senators to go against legislation sponsored by a member of their own party. Clearly, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae saw a very real danger in this legislation. Otherwise, they would have ignored it.

http://www.ldjackson.net/news-politics/freddie-mac-investigates-itself/

Cox, Greenspan, Snow Agree: Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae Did Not Cause The Financial Crisis

According to conservatives, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae's audacity to loan to low-income Americans is to blame for the current financial crisis. During the final presidential debate, for example, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) called the lending giants "the catalyst for this housing crisis."

Today in a House Oversight Committee hearing with former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan, SEC chairman Christopher Cox, and former Treasury secretary John Snow, Rep. John Mica (R-FL) revived that argument. He also tried to tie the crisis to Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), holding up a chart called "Follow the Money Trail." He pointed that Obama has been the largest recipient of donations from Freddie and Fannie. (Actually, he's the second highest.)

Committee chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) chastised Mica for trying to turn the financial crisis into a political issue. He noted that Freddie and Fannie "certainly played a role" in the current situation, but then asked the witnesses, "Do any of you believe that they were the cause of this financial crisis?" All three men said no. Watch it:

Federal housing data back up this conclusion — that "the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis." As Center for American Progress Senior Fellows Michael S. Barr and Gene Sperling explain, Freddie and Fannie weren't even securitizing subprime mortgages en-masse until 2005:

The subprime boom was led by investment banks and mortgage brokers, not by government-sponsored enterprises. Fannie and Freddie became unhinged in the middle of this decade when they tried to play catch-up. Their shareholders and managers pushed them to recover the securitization market share they had lost to unregulated investment banks getting absurd AAA ratings for packaging subprime dross. From 2005 to 2008, Fannie Mae purchased or guaranteed $270 billion in loans to risky borrowers — triple the amount in all its earlier years combined.

As Center for Economic and Policy Research co-director Dean Baker has written, "Fannie and Freddie got into subprime junk and helped fuel the housing bubble, but they were trailing the irrational exuberance of the private sector. They lost market share in the years 2002-2007, as the volume of private issue mortgage backed securities exploded." More here on "how did this happen."

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=facts+behind+freddie+mac+and+fannie+mae&aq=f&aqi=&oq=

  • 2 votes
#1.30 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:06 PM EST
Lampell

I would think your a stock broker that one would be wise not to invest with !

Please keep your personal opinions re myself, to yourself. I stopped being a stockbroker in 1984 and started an investment bank in Australia in 1986. I also testified on the subject of financial reform in the Australian Parliament, the precise subject being derivatives. Some of the suggestions were taken up, and Australia did not suffer in the 2008 debacle, and will be showing a surplus for next fiscal year.

Your links as to what caused the financial collapse are for the most part, political grandstanding, which is what happens in most hearings. As far as what that schmuck Dean Baker wrote thats his opinion.

The relevant subject here, is not what caused the financial collapse, is what Barney said and did. He did interfere with Fannie Mae. No where did I suggest that Fannie and Freddie were the sole cause of any such debacle. You have decided to go off topic, which is your right. So really I could give a crap less what caused it, fortunately I dont need clients and was able to make a few bucks when the market tanked, but thats my way of going off topic. You want to put in links next time, use facts, not opinions from economists or politicians.

  • 6 votes
#1.31 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:15 PM EST
NYPeach

Well done Lampell!

  • 3 votes
#1.32 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:58 AM EST
Ripley8

Your links as to what caused the financial collapse are for the most part, political grandstanding, which is what happens in most hearings. As far as what that schmuck Dean Baker wrote thats his opinion.

and what you wrote is only your opinion.

political grandstanding ? odd that it would come from republicans ! One would think they would be far to happy to pin it on Freddie and Fannie.

what it boils down too ... is Phil Gramm ( R) and the rights love of deregulation. the ignorant mantra that banks, business can 'police' themselves.

Those loans to the poor for housing was still at the banks discretion. So the blaming the poor argument holds no water. Those risky loans were sold as used car sales men slickly sell lemons. In doing so banks sold those loans third party ... to the likes of Freddie and Fannie.

--

Get the Facts: The Story of the Financial Crisis

These crises were caused by calculated deregulation and the gross negligence of the Bush administration and congressional conservatives.

We are in this mess today because of the deregulatory policies and negligent leadership of President George W. Bush, his financial regulatory officials, and congressional conservatives such as Phil Gramm.
The Bush solution: cut regulations

First, Bush and the conservative mantra of deregulation encouraged the explosion of risky new financial products, and blocked them from common-sense oversight and regulation.

Second, they turned a blind eye to dire warnings that risky lending practices were spiraling out of control.

Their failure to act allowed Wall Street CEOs to recklessly gamble with other people's money.

Now, the bubble has popped and the markets have crashed, and conservatives are desperately casting about for someone else to blame for the consequences of their failed policies.

Their efforts to pass the buck are an insult to our intelligence. Conservatives policies dominated the past eight years while this crisis grew out of control. This is the legacy of their failed policies—it is time for them to own it.

Beginning in 2000, free-market ideologues led by President Bush, Phil Gramm, and Alan Greenspan encouraged the explosion of risky new financial products and blocked the products from regulation.

Under their watch, there was an explosion in subprime mortgage lending accompanied by exponential growth in new financial derivatives such as credit-default swaps that encouraged banks and lenders to take huge risks and gamble on products that no one really understood.

People knew these products were extremely risky. Five years ago, Warren Buffett called derivatives "financial weapons of mass destruction, carrying dangers that, while now latent, are potentially lethal."[1]

But Alan Greenspan and conservatives in Congress, led by Phil Gramm, encouraged the development of these risky new products, and blocked them from regulation. Greenspan said, "it seems superfluous" to regulate derivatives, and Gramm quietly slipped his Commodities Futures Modernization Act into a must-pass budget bill in 2000 to ensure the highly risky derivatives market would not be regulated.
As the housing bubble grew out of this risky marketplace, common-sense regulations were blocked by conservatives in Congress.

http://howdidthishappen.org/facts/

  • 5 votes
#1.33 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:28 AM EST
Lampell

Those loans to the poor for housing was still at the banks discretion. So the blaming the poor argument holds no water. Those risky loans were sold as used car sales men slickly sell lemons. In doing so banks sold those loans third party ... to the likes of Freddie and Fannie.

I wasnt blaming the poor, you have a political agenda, I do not. I analyze the situation to determine causes, not rewrite history to suit my political beliefs. As far as derewgulation and the constant harping on Gramm, derivatives, hedge funds (the shadow banking sector) were not regulated in the first place, hence no need to de regulate. And yes my explanation is my opinion, of course, as is yours. I do have a background in finance, at least in the last 40 years, doesnt make me an expert, but some aspects like derivatives I do have particular expertise, enough that the govt of Australia asked my to testify in Parliament when I lived and worked there.

  • 2 votes
#1.34 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST
Olyman

Lampell, excellent info and argument. One of the few I've seen on this seed that isn't mired in left and right talking points. It's evident for all to see, when you have the facts, you don't need to push partisan politics. Unfortunately, the vast majority of articles here are primarily posted to bash the left or right with political innuendo and rhetoric, lacking any level of factual information.

FR sent.

  • 2 votes
#1.35 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:21 PM EST
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Pattie in Maryland

This is a great loss to our country at a crucial time in its history. He is one of the most, if not the most, intelligent person in Congress. What the yahoos think they know, he actually does know inside out. Please don't leave the Congress in the hands of bumpkins, Barney, please!! There is no one who can replace you!

  • 11 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:29 AM EST
Olyman

Are you serious ??? Good ridance to someone who long overstayed their usefulness.

Prostitutes and parking tickets, I guess those can be overlooked when your a gay liberal.

  • 16 votes
#2.1 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:54 AM EST
Pattie in Maryland

Rep. Frank has far outshown his colleagues. His knowledge of policy is immense, he can explain what he means, and he takes no BS. We need more of him. In a world in which people prance around indulging in silly name-calling, without exhibiting any know-how in terms of correcting our precarious situation, any ability to plan, any ability to communicate any sort of plan or any specifics, Rep. Frank has been a true leader.

Prostitutes and parking tickets, I guess those can be overlooked when your a gay liberal

Well, Gingrich was a whore and an adulteror who made a career of deliberately doing untold damage to the United States, and kited checks and took money from Freddie Mac on the side. Apparently things can be overlooked when you're a straight male John Bircher.

  • 12 votes
#2.2 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:20 PM EST
genevieveva

A brilliant man that served this nation well. He will me missed.

  • 8 votes
#2.3 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:05 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

You mean this Barney Fwank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSDnGMzIdo

Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing.

You can get additional links here.

I am sure tha it is just coincidence that Frank's former "lover" Herb Moses, landed a nice cushy job there.../sarc/

  • 6 votes
#2.4 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:25 PM EST
Spikegary

Not just parking tickets and prostitutes.....anyone recall the whorehouse being run out of his home in D.C.?

And before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I think any of these crimes are reason enough to expel the member. I expect a higher level of self-comportment from all of these people, regardless of the side of the aisle they are from.

  • 4 votes
#2.5 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:39 PM EST
NYPeach

And what was Bawny Fwank's punishment for running a whorehouse? Well re-election of course.....he is a Democwat!

  • 3 votes
#2.6 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:52 PM EST
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pjw-708550

Agreed, Pattie. Mr. Frank has been a voice of reason in the wilderness that is now Congress. This will be a major loss in an institution that cannot handle too many more major losses.

  • 9 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:50 AM EST
btco

I guess he got tired of debating all those dining room tables on the right.

  • 7 votes
#3.1 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:31 PM EST
pjw-708550

btco, you might have a point. From what I can see, they really don't debate anymore, they yell, and scream, and cry and then they take their dollies upstairs, slam the door, and don't come out until they can have their way.

  • 5 votes
#3.2 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:40 PM EST
btco

You forgot to mention they lie....a lot!

  • 4 votes
#3.3 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:25 PM EST
pjw-708550

Oh, that, too. But it doesn't fit in with the tantrum I was describing. It is a bunch we have in DC these days and another trying to get in. When I heard him on NPR this late afternoon, I can surely understand why he doesn't want to go another round, but he will surely be missed.

  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:44 PM EST
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WeBDoomed

Huh??? You think he figured he stole enough money from US taxpayers? Naaa…must be something else. His conscience maybe? Naaa again. He doesn't have one.

  • 9 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:33 PM EST
wjm5-0

Barney Frank, a true statesman, who knows what's good for America.

He is truly one who adhered to his principles in times of adversity and hatred.

If you put his brain in a room with all the Republicans in Congress brains....what do you get?

Silly question......there is no such thing as a Republican Congressman's brain.

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

really? why did you even bother...

  • 2 votes
#6.1 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:42 PM EST
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Nutty Grandpa

Personally I'm glad. I wish they would put term limits on all of Congress and the Senate so you don't get career politicians who do nothing but feed off the teat of Government their entire life. the fact he had 16 terms just goes to prove that people vote a name, not a record. Happens on both sides of the isle. The more Long Term Politicians we can get out of Washington, the better off we will be.

  • 8 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:43 PM EST
upswing

Hmmm....

Will Frank go to Goldman Sachs, to work with his buddy Judd Greg, or to JP Morgan, to hang out with fellow leach Mel Matinez?

Decisions, decisions ...

  • 8 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:49 PM EST
The American 1Deleted
Philip Grant

America 1

Tell me, which High School are you currently attending?

    #8.2 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:09 PM EST
    samenslow

    Elementary, My Dear Philip, Elementary. There may be a few more years of third grade to go.

      #8.3 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:15 PM EST
      Sally

      The American 1 banned, re-reg of Amosonandy.

      • 11 votes
      #8.4 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:20 PM EST
      Spikegary

      Sally, while I understand and agree with knocking out re-reg's, I didn't see anything concerning the insults thrown by 8.2 and 8.3. Outside of the CoH and the User Agreement, no?

      • 7 votes
      #8.5 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:44 PM EST
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      DoctorNorm

      Personally I'm glad. I wish they would put term limits on all of Congress and the Senate so you don't get career politicians who do nothing but feed off the teat of Government their entire life. the fact he had 16 terms just goes to prove that people vote a name, not a record. Happens on both sides of the isle. The more Long Term Politicians we can get out of Washington, the better off we will be.

      Well, in this case they were voting a name AND a record. A great record, at that.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#9 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:51 PM EST
      David-1830107

      Sorry about the Mortgage Crisis I helped start...Now i will go enjoy my millions in retirement.

      • 11 votes
      #10 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:52 PM EST
      bore-head007

      Bull @!$%#

      • 5 votes
      #10.1 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:53 PM EST
      webslinger

      David,

      So sorry you have no clue what you're writing about - Barney Frank did NOT cause the crisis and didn't even have a hand in it. If you want to blame someone, blame those that voted to repeal Glass-Steagall (that would be Phil Gramm and the Gingrich Republicans), Wall Street for not policing itself, George W. Bush and the Congress of Bill Frist, Tom Delay and Dennis Hasstart who didn't pass any regulations of derivatives and Alan Greenspan for sleeping through the first decade of this century. You can also blame the media for not doing its job in uncovering the corruption BEFORE it happened, and for shifting blame AFTER it happened.

      Go educate yourself - a good place to start is bore-head's link at #4.2...it's a short read, go read it!

      • 5 votes
      #10.2 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:03 PM EST
      Spo de o de

      And like other Public Workers, we get to pay for his retirement through tax dollars. Lovely, isn't it!

      • 6 votes
      #10.3 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:04 PM EST
      Spo de o de

      Right webslinger,

      Keep drinking the Kool Aid, Barney Frank and Maxine Waters were both involved in the act that preceded the 2008 Mortgage meltdown, and many belief their actions contributed to the extent of the foreclosures. Your Prince Charming is not who you think he is, more of a Toad with Warts!

      Washington, DC – The U.S. House of Representatives today overwhelmingly passed H.R. 1852, the “Expanding American Homeownership Act of 2007,” which will revitalize the Federal Housing Administration (FHA), a federally insured loan program that for over 60 years has been a reliable source of affordable fixed rate mortgage loans, especially for first-time homebuyers. The measure, originally introduced by Representative Maxine Waters, Chairwoman of the Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity, and Barney Frank, Chairman of the Financial Services Committee, will enable FHA to serve more subprime borrowers at affordable rates and terms, recapture borrowers that have turned to predatory loans in recent years, and offer refinancing loan opportunities to borrowers struggling to meet their mortgage payments in the midst of the current turbulent mortgage markets.

      http://biggovernment.com/driehl/2010/10/25/barney-franks-incompetence-politics-made-financial-crisis-worse/

      • 5 votes
      #10.4 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:17 PM EST
      David-1830107

      Here

      • 4 votes
      #10.5 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:18 PM EST
      BJ-868460

      . . .blame those that voted to repeal Glass-Steagall (that would be Phil Gramm and the Gingrich Republicans)

      Both sides are complicit: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/10/24/us/deal-on-bank-bill-was-helped-along-by-midnight-talks.html?src=pm

      • 1 vote
      #10.6 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:35 PM EST
      David-1830107

      Funny how when you post facts they become very very quiet.....

      • 3 votes
      #10.7 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:32 PM EST
      bore-head007

      One group has been especially vocal about shaping a new narrative of the credit crisis and economic collapse: those whose bad judgment and failed philosophy helped cause the crisis.

      Rather than admit the error of their ways — Repent! — these people are engaged in an active campaign to rewrite history. They are not, of course, exonerated in doing so. And beyond that, they damage the process of repairing what was broken. They muddy the waters when it comes to holding guilty parties responsible. They prevent measures from being put into place to prevent another crisis.

      Here is the surprising takeaway: They are winning. Thanks to the endless repetition of the Big Lie.

      A Big Lie is so colossal that no one would believe that someone could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. There are many examples: Claims that Earth is not warming, or that evolution is not the best thesis we have for how humans developed. Those opposed to stimulus spending have gone so far as to claim that the infrastructure of the United States is just fine, Grade A (not D, as the we discussed last month), and needs little repair.

      Wall Street has its own version: Its Big Lie is that banks and investment houses are merely victims of the crash. You see, the entire boom and bust was caused by misguided government policies. It was not irresponsible lending or derivative or excess leverage or misguided compensation packages, but rather long-standing housing policies that were at fault.

      Indeed, the arguments these folks make fail to withstand even casual scrutiny. But that has not stopped people who should know better from repeating them.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/what-caused-the-financial-crisis-the-big-lie-goes-viral/2011/10/31/gIQAXlSOqM_story.html?tid=pm_pop

      Yep. Facts.

      • 3 votes
      #10.8 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:03 PM EST
      David-1830107

      I agree WS had its hands in it to. But to Claim Franks and Waters didnt have their dirty million dollar hands in it is complete BS.

      • 5 votes
      #10.9 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:16 PM EST
      bore-head007

      Had their hands in it??? Right up their slimy Goldman sacks shoulders.

      They @!$%#ing built it.

      • 4 votes
      #10.10 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:43 PM EST
      webslinger

      Sorry David, but you're still wrong. I've seen that editorial before and it is LAUGHABLE!

      And regarding G-L-B- when asked recently, Clinton said something to the effect of how one of his biggest regrets was trusting those who pushed to repeal Glass-Stegall.

      The facts remain the facts - Wall Street caused the financial collapse - and the big banks were enabled by Greenspan and Bush. The CRA didn't cause it, nor did Fannie and Freddie, and nor did Barney Frank. The man was in the MINORITY up until January, 2007, and while the collapse began in that calendar year, the house of cards did not simply APPEAR right as the Dems took back the House - it had been built over the preceding 8 years and had been wobbling for quite some time.

      It's not that hard to figure out what happened - the evidence is staring you in the face and the people who are responsible are still around - many of them are still doing the same thing because they haven't been perp-walked.......a point that a few hundred thousand people across this country are protesting (in part).

      • 2 votes
      #10.11 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:12 AM EST
      Lampell

      The CRA didn't cause it, nor did Fannie and Freddie, and nor did Barney Frank.

      Thanks for the concise analysis of a complex subject. You are treating the financial meltdown as an either or, rather than a multifaceted event. Its amazing in this day and age how many people love soundbites and the smoking gun, making up their mind on a subject according to their political leanings.

      How about this: In order for a nasty greedy bank to package and sell mortgage backed securities to investors both domestic and abroad, the nasty bank has to have a customer, someone willing to borrow money from the bank. Without the original customer, no game. Yes banks and mortgage brokers played the game and came up with exciting ways to issue mortgages, equity lines etc, so they are definitely part of the bad guy consortium, along with the rating agencies. Without the customer who probably spends more time picking out the color of his or her car than reading the terms of the largest purchase of their life, there is no mortgage to sell. So lets give a little blame to the public, not as much as the big bad banks, but a little, its called responsiblity. Yes I know, its the banks fault that people might have bought houses that they couldnt afford, and certainly most didnt buy into the scheme and did buy houses they could afford, no stereotyping, no politics yet.

      So far we have two parts to the saga, the most popular being those miserable banks and of course the rest of Wall St., and foreign investors. Lets look at your statement, that Fannie, Freddie and Barney had no part in the debacle. Fannie Mae, a quasi govt agency, has a charter, a charter that Congress can change. Fannie was originally 100pct govt agency and in the 70s was "privatized" in order that it be independent of political influence, how ironic:) You mentioned that Barney was in the Minority until 2007 and that is EXACTLY when the charter of Fannie was changed so that instead of having 30pct of its portfolio in low income mortgages, it was changed to 55pct. Not blaming either side of the aisle, both parties saw it in their interest to promote housing for all, the American Dream.

      In order for the bad banks to grant more and more mortgages, they needed two items, one the ability to package them and sell to investors, and two, another party to purchase and guarantee the ones they couldnt get rid of. The first part was fulfilled by Wall St, the second was Fannie and Freddie, whose job is to make it easier for people to obtain mortgages, by maintaining an outlet that could buy up masses and masses of mortgages.

      You may say that Fannie and Freddie had absolutely no role in the debacle, and to that I would say, denial, denial. Fannie and Freddie lost billions and billions of dollars, how could they have lost so much money if they didnt have a part in buying up billions, nay trillions of dollars worth of mortgages. How could it be just the banks, with Fannie and Freddie not even with skin in the game. Barney was in the Majority when Fannie's mandate was changed, Barney was on YouTube stating that Fannie was in good shape shortly before the Titanic went down. How can we repeat what McCain said, the economy is fundamentally strong, and make fun of that statement, while giving old Barney a pass while standing on the deck of the Titanic?

      As far as it not being hard to figure, that is simply amazing, a subject that is being written about and studied by many, but understood so well by one poster on the Vine.

      • 2 votes
      #10.12 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:46 AM EST
      webslinger

      Sorry, nothing you just posted refutes anything I said - FACT - BARNEY FRANKS DID NOT CAUSE THE COLLAPSE (contrary to some of the postings here). FACT - FANNIE AND FREDDIE DID NOT CAUSE THE COLLAPSE and FACT, the CRA DID NOT CAUSE THE COLLAPSE. Sorry, regardless of whether or not Fannie/Freddie would back CRA or FHA loans, and whether that number was 55% or 70% or 100% or 0% does not change the fact that derivatives were deregulated and that the private banks CHOSE to engage in high-risk, high return activities in order to "get rich quick"...these activities went against common sense, generally accepted business standards and more....but they engaged in them anyway, and the Bush admin (the Fed, the SEC, the DOJ) didn't lift a finger to even WARN them, let alone stop them.

      In 2003, Barney Franks said Fannie and Freddie were financially sound - they were....in 2003. He later admitted he was wrong in promoting how "sound" they were from that point to 2007 - he later admitted he was wrong (unlike McCain claiming the economy was fine during the 2008 election by the way - at a time when the economy was on fire - something he never came back and corrected/admitted/acknowledged).

      Like it or not, Fannie and Freddie didn't FORCE anyone to make high risk loans....and they certainly didn't force banks to trade those mortgages, thus manipulating home prices. Fannie and Freddie didn't cause Bear Stearns to go under, or Lehmann Bros, or Merryl Lynch or Washington Mutual, or Countrywide or AIG or Citigroup....THEY engaged in practices that caused their downfall....and they cost us TRILLIONS....not Barney Frank.

      Again, it's NOT that hard to figure.

      • 2 votes
      #10.13 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:31 AM EST
      bore-head007

      Lampell read the article #10.8

      You are wrong.

      • 1 vote
      #10.14 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST
      Lampell

      Like it or not, Fannie and Freddie didn't FORCE anyone to make high risk loans....and they certainly didn't force banks to trade those mortgages, thus manipulating home prices.

      And the banks didnt force consumers to buy houses and to obtain weird and wonderful mortgages put out by those same banks. Fannie and Freddie merely facilitated the issuance of masses of mortgages, allowing banks to issue more mortgages since many of them had been sold to Fannie and Freddie. If Fannie and Freddie didnt buy any of the mortgages issued by banks, how come they wound up with over a trillion dollars worth of mortgages, and are still losing money on same?

      And please cut out the bolding of FACTS, they are your opinions, not FACTS because you bold them

      • 2 votes
      #10.15 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:40 AM EST
      webslinger

      banks didn't FORCE consumers to buy houses and to obtain weird and wonderful mortgages put out by those banks.

      The stupidity of that statement cannot be under-emphasized. No, nobody FORCED the banks to do it....but they did it anyway.....and we all suffered due to their incompetence and greed....that's a FACT....and again, is NOT hard to figure.

      bore-head007 said it succinctly - YOU are wrong.

        #10.16 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:54 AM EST
        Lampell

        and we all suffered due to their incompetence and greed....that's a FACT....and again, is NOT hard to figure.

        Speak for yourself, I didnt suffer and banks werent incompetent, they were greedy. Fannie and Freddie were in the same boat and we, the taxpayer, which means almost everyone is still suffering for that one. The too big to fail banks paid back their loans, Fannie and Freddie have not and will not be paying back their losses. They were also left out of Dodd-Frank since nobody knows how to resolve that one.

        • 2 votes
        #10.17 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:58 AM EST
        Spikegary

        Lampbell,

        You are right on so many of these thoughts. No one forced the buyer to sign for their 3000 square foot dream home for the $2500 per month mortgage payment. No one else is ultimately to blame but the buyer when they realize they make $40K per year and spend $30 of on a mortgage payment. A friend is a Notary Public and travels to do closings locally. She tries to explain each document to the buyer(s)/Mortgagee. They, 9 times out of 10, just want to sign and be done with it-and have no understanding of the documents they are signing-even as she tries to explain, they refuse to listen.

        Is that the banks' fault? No we've abrogated our responsibilities as customers and individuals when we do this. I never wanted to be 'House-Poor', so I always have purchased homes that work for me and that I can afford. That is the consumer's job and many have largely ignored their responsibility.

        • 2 votes
        #10.18 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:31 PM EST
        webslinger

        YES it IS the banks' fault.

        Just because I WANT to live in a million dollar home (I don't) and make minimum wage (I don't), doesn't mean I get to....UNLESS a bank lends me the money - expecting me to pay it back! If they know I can't pay it back, then that is an UNREASONABLE RISK to take, and against sound business practices AND common sense!

        Yes, people SHOULD be responsible and live within their means - and yes, MANY people are total idiots when it comes to personal finances....also, MOST people fear legal documents and your little story about your notary friend is not uncommon....but that does not absolve the banks who authorized the loans knowing they were bad.

          #10.19 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:40 PM EST
          Spikegary

          Thanks for the back-handed compliment. Too bad you need to belittle others to make yourself feel mature.

          The 'loans' are not bad-a loan is an instrument. Much akin to saying a gun is dangerous. Sitting in a locked case it isn't. Sitting unloaded it isn't. In the hands of a moron and loaded is something different. Everyone in the buying process is able to see what loans are available, some have more risk attached to others-30 years vice 15 = larger payment for less time; 1 year ARM = you wagering that rates will remain the same or go down, while financial institutions hope just the opposite, ballons? Big payment at the end of the term-these are all things tha tpeople voluntarily sign up for. Who has the responsibility to learn the difference between each? The customer, as they are the ones that are voluntarily signing up for the loan.

          And as to your example, if you are making, let's say $50K per year and want a million dollar home (minimum wage and getting a loan for a $1M home is a stretch). Do you do the research on what the payment would be, what the insurance and taxes would be? Do you factor in other bills? Food? Utilities? Do you build a budget or just accept someone else's word that it'll all be o.k.? That is downright stupid.

          How did it go? Truman said, 'The Buck Stops Here'? Well, consumers are where this particular buck starts and stops. Can't default on a loan you didn't take out, can you?

          The caps on? Shouting? Please don't do that-I'd hate to think I was responsible for you vapor locking or stroking out....we'd miss all your witty repartee'.

          • 3 votes
          #10.20 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:58 PM EST
          sjayne2355

          Please do not forget the good people who thought their homes were ATM's. Refinance and take cash to further their lavish lifestyles and bitch that their homes are worth less than they owe on them.

          More than a few of the foreclosures involved "financial wizards" like those.

          • 3 votes
          #10.21 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:13 PM EST
          Spikegary

          I watched several 60 minutes shows and others who were having a balloon payment come due and they were turned over, so they decided they were goigmn to just walk away form the house. I still don't get how it's everyone else's fault when I spend more than I make and then can't pay my bills. No one requires a Lincoln Navigator and a new Lexus in the two car agarage, a 57 inch Television with a thousand dollar add on sound system. a $250 per month satellite bill becuase you have to have every sports package, eating out 4-5 times a week, and on and on and on.

          At some point in time, the individual must take responsibility for their own decisions, even thought that's not stylish these days.

          • 3 votes
          #10.22 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:16 PM EST
          Lampell

          If they know I can't pay it back, then that is an UNREASONABLE RISK to take, and against sound business practices AND common sense!

          And here is where the friendly government comes into the picture, the bank could care less what the credit risk is because they sell that mortgage to Fannie or Freddie who scoop up every mortgage in sight. It is only today that Fannie and Freddie having lost a total of 140 billion dollars have had to tighten up their credit procedures and of course now people complain that the banks are not lending enough:) The FHA, on the other hand still allows low income people to put down 3.5pct and the FHA for the first time in 60 years needs its only bailout as their reserves are down to close to nothing.

          • 2 votes
          #10.23 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:11 PM EST
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          Fox_News

          Yes! Best political news thus far in the 2012 election cycle.

          • 8 votes
          Reply#11 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:52 PM EST
          roybokhade

          Now if the other 535 of them would do the same thing...

          • 2 votes
          Reply#12 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:56 PM EST
          webslinger

          534

            #12.1 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:03 PM EST
            roybokhade

            I was including Mr. Obama.

            • 2 votes
            #12.2 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:49 PM EST
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            The American 1Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            He plans to expand his homosexual whore house.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#13 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:11 PM EST
            Woodpile WillieDeleted
            Carol-500283

            You will be missed by all of us, some just don't know it right now, but they soon will. One intelligent man who worked so very hard for our country, and the common person. Thank you!

            • 2 votes
            Reply#15 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:52 PM EST
            ngp256

            Aw :( Barney we will miss you. Have a good retirement, and enjoy it :) you have def earned it :) Congress, nay govnt. as a whole need more Barney Franks running the show.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#16 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:37 PM EST
            vol fan in chatt, tn

            Dang, I almost spit my coffee out on that one...thanks for the laugh!

            • 4 votes
            #16.1 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:44 PM EST
            David-1830107

            Yea Hell enjoy the millions he got from Lobbyists With the Use of your money LMAO

            • 3 votes
            #16.2 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:16 PM EST
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            samenslow

            Gee, What will the Republicans do? They lost Tip O'Neil as a source for all evil. Then they lost Ted Kennedy. Now Barney Frank. It will be interesting to see who becomes their next "source for all evil".

            • 1 vote
            Reply#17 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:10 AM EST
            Lampell

            They lost Tip O'Neil as a source for all evil

            Regan didnt think he was evil, worked with him on legislation quite often, since the Dems controlled Congress for both of Reagan's terms. And besides the Dems have their numerous members of Republican congressmen that they hate, its their turn to have the evil hate:) And Kennedy was really hated and was a good middle man between aisles, so really its only Barney and his attitude that the Republicans hated. He loved lording it over people when he held committee hearings, he just loved it, glad that @!$%# is gone. Too bad Pelosi isnt next, another arrogant righteous one. Feinstein is just as left as the other two but isnt arrogant, can work with members of both parties, which proves you can accomplish just as much without being an @!$%#.

            • 2 votes
            #17.1 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:13 PM EST
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