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Many US communities are blocking medical marijuana

Mon Jan 9, 2012 3:46 PM EST
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Geoff Mulvihill, Associated Press
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<p>FILE - In this Tuesday Jan. 26, 2010 file photo, a pedestrian walks past a marijuana leaf neon sign advertising a medical marijuana provider along a street in the Sherman Oaks section of Los Angeles, Calif. States may be saying yes to medical marijuana, but local governments are increasingly using their laws to keep dispensaries out. In California, nearly 200 city and county governments have banned marijuana dispensaries over the last eight years. That’s three times as many as have adopted regulations for them.  (AP Photo/Richard Vogel)</p>

FILE - In this Tuesday Jan. 26, 2010 file photo, a pedestrian walks past a marijuana leaf neon sign advertising a medical marijuana provider along a street in the Sherman Oaks section of Los Angeles, Calif. States may be saying yes to medical marijuana, but local governments are increasingly using their laws to keep dispensaries out. In California, nearly 200 city and county governments have banned marijuana dispensaries over the last eight years. That’s three times as many as have adopted regulations for them. (AP Photo/Richard Vogel)

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— More and more states are saying yes to medical marijuana. But local governments are increasingly using their laws to just say no, not in our backyard.

In California, with the nation's most permissive medical marijuana laws, 185 cities and counties have banned pot dispensaries entirely. In New Jersey, perhaps the most restrictive of the 17 states that have legalized marijuana for sick people, some groups planning to sell cannabis are struggling to find local governments willing to let them in.

Dispensaries have also been banned in parts of Colorado and have run into opposition in some towns in Maine.

Local politicians have argued that pot is still illegal under federal law, that marijuana dispensaries bring crime, and that such businesses are just fronts for drug-dealing, supplying weed to people who aren't really sick.

Cities and towns are prohibiting dispensaries outright or applying zoning ordinances so strict that they amount to the same thing. The ordinances typically set minimum distances between such businesses and schools, homes, parks and houses of worship.

The township manager of Maple Shade, N.J., where the zoning board last year turned down an application for a dispensary at the vacant site of a former furniture store, said his town was just following zoning law. But Gary LaVenia said it is easy to see why people would be nervous about legal pot-dealing in their communities.

"People read the accounts of what's going on in the other states, like Colorado, like California," he said. "Regardless of the fact that use here is the most regulated, people still read those accounts and assume that that's what's going to happen here."

Medical marijuana advocates say the resistance is going to hurt people in desperate need of relief.

"It prevents patients with mobility issues from getting their medication," said Kris Hermes, a spokesman for Americans for Safe Access, an Oakland, Calif., group. "It also pushes patients into the illicit market."

States such as California and Colorado have seen an explosion in the number of pot dispensaries, along with criticism that the rules are so lax that practically anyone can buy weed. Also, there have been cases of violence involving people trying to steal pot from dispensaries.

Local governments are within their rights to restrict or keep out pot businesses, said Lars Etzkorn, program director for the National League of Cities.

"Land-use and business regulation are the most fundamental decision-making that local officials are entrusted with," he said. "Local communities, the local electorate, can decide what sort of level of regulation they want."

But medical marijuana is particularly thorny, he said, because it can place mayors and town councils in an awkward position of deciding whether to follow federal law, which makes marijuana possession and use a crime, or state law. Several state laws that say pot is OK for medicinal purposes were passed by the voters.

Advocates say the drug can relieve pain, nausea and other symptoms, especially in people with cancer, AIDS, glaucoma and multiple sclerosis.

Some states, including Oregon and Michigan, have legalized medical marijuana but not dispensaries. Patients are expected to grow their own or obtain it some other way.

In 1996, California voters made their state the first to legalize medical marijuana, and there are now an estimated 1,000 dispensaries around the state. A clarifying state law passed in 2003 left a lot of the specifics up to city and county governments, and many have relied on that measure to adopt their own regulations.

According to ASA's tally, 60 governments in California have rules for local dispensaries, often including where they can be located. Several, like San Diego, have zoning regulations so restrictive that they are effectively an outright ban, Hermes said.

In Los Angeles a little-enforced part of the local law bars pot sales within 1,000 feet of any home — a measure that would ban dispensaries nearly everywhere.

In recent years, though, California cities have become more likely to ban dispensaries altogether. Since 2004, three times as many city and county governments in California have enacted bans as they have rules. The most populous city with a ban so far is Fresno, with a half-million residents.

The legality of several of the regulations and bans is being slugged out in court. But last year, a court found that the city of Riverside was within its right to nix any dispensaries.

Elsewhere around the country, Maine has amended its medical pot law to block towns from imposing tighter zoning restrictions than those included in state law.

In New Jersey, lawmakers made pot legal for patients with certain conditions in January 2010, but there is still no place where they can get it legally.

The state has authorized six nonprofit groups to grow and sell cannabis. So far, only one has announced that it has secured local approvals — in Montclair, a liberal New York City suburb where no zoning hearing was required. Three others have been shut out of their chosen locations by local government bodies, despite assurances that security at the dispensaries would be tight and that pot would be given only to patients who are truly sick.

One of those communities, Upper Freehold Township, adopted an ordinance last month banning zoning approvals for any business purpose that defies federal law.

Charles Kwiatowski, a 40-year-old MS patient who lives nearby, spoke at the meeting about how marijuana eases his symptoms better than any combination of the 27 prescription painkillers, muscle relaxers and other drugs he has tried over the years.

He said that a few weeks ago, he thought he was buying marijuana from a dealer in Asbury Park but ended up with Spice, an herbal mix that resembles marijuana and can cause hallucinations that last for days. He said it didn't ease his symptoms.

"It didn't help me to waste my $50 on something that wasn't going to help my problem," he said. "It only forced something far worse than marijuana into my life."

Andrei Bogolubov, spokesman for a group that was denied permission for a medical marijuana business in Maple Shade, N.J., said he is going to keep looking for a more welcoming town and realizes he is going to have work harder to change people's minds.

"Since this is new and there's a lot of misunderstanding out there, you've got to do more," he said.

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RebootIt

Also, there have been cases of violence involving people trying to steal pot from dispensaries.

Sure they get robbed but then so do banks, grocery stores, pharmacies, and 7-11s.

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 4:08 PM EST
California Militia

my guess is the closures in cali are so the dispensaries owned by cartels dont have competition.

we are as corrupt as mexico here.

    #1.1 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 6:47 PM EST
    MeanGene-3334839

    There are going to be closures in Colorado, as well.

    The Feds are cracking down hard on the dumbass dispensaries which are within 1000 feet of a school, because that triggers additional Federal penalties when the Demon Weed is sold where kids can see this vile transaction.

    1000 feet is nothing, it's basically two blocks total and to have one of these horticultural whorehouses that close to a school is unconscionable.

    The US Justice Department is tightening the screws on these dope dealers pretending to be "compassionate providers of medicine". This is fantastic because the letters are going out not only to the Head Shops, but to their landlords telling them that if the stores ain't shut down that the property WILL BE SEIZED.

    This will frighten off any would-be landlords and/or small business loans to start up these foul, filthy, freakish frankenstein pharmacy frauds.

    It's about time somebody cracked down on these hedonistic halfwits.

    • 1 vote
    #1.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:14 PM EST
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    Davy-755715

    So much for the crap about the majority of people wanting "medical" marijuana...

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 4:21 PM EST
    beaz-435179

    Hmmm, let's see, Arizona has voted twice to allow medical marijuana, but the people we hired to represent us are trying to shut it down...rather than the voice of the majority of the people being "crap," it sounds more to me like the majority of the people are no longer heard and those we voted into office have forgotten they are our employees, not our parents. Legalize the stuff, put a huge sales tax on it and get on with it. They've now proved men who smoked some marijuana when they were younger are smarter and more cognitive as they age, so give them all a whiff!!!!! God knows most of the ones in Washington could use a marijuana brownie.

    • 3 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:17 AM EST
    MeanGene-3334839

    The Arizona vote was far from a majority of the people. It was a plurality of the 35% of the people who voted in an off-year election, squeaking by with a bare 51% of the 35% who voted.

    82% of Arizona voters never approved of Medical Marijuana.

    To even get the pathetic votes that potheads in Arizona got, they had to basically agree to a law which made school zones off-limits, churches off-limits, day care centers off-limits and shopping centers off-limits.

    The laugh is on the potheads though, because Arizona law defines a "school zone" as not just the school, but where any bus stop which serves school children is.

    In other words, here in Phoenix where City Buses pick up kids for school, EVERY BUS STOP IN THE CITY IS LEGALLY A SCHOOL ZONE.

    This means that no marijuana dispensary can be located closer than 3 blocks from a marked bus stop. Since bus stops are marked every 6 blocks on main streets in the City, there's almost nowhere that is not legally a SCHOOL ZONE.

    Which means that medical marijuana dispensaries, if any are allowed to open at all, will not find anywhere in the cities of Arizona to hang their "Open" sign.

    Game, set and match. The damned pot shops are not going to happen under the law that was passed by a mere 18% of voters in an off-year election in Arizona.

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:29 PM EST
    Tom88

    The damned pot shops are not going to happen under the law that was passed by a mere 18% of voters in an off-year election in Arizona.

    Sure they are. The entire state is not a city, there will be plenty of spots.

    • 2 votes
    #2.3 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:52 PM EST
    MeanGene-3334839

    The entire state is not a city, there will be plenty of spots.

    No, there won't be. The rules are such that only Saints, people who have been 100% law-abiding and good citizens, will be given permission to open a Hedonistic Hemp Whorehouse and nobody who meets the standards would want to do that.

    Only the most vile and despicable criminal bastards, people with rap sheets ten miles long and no laws left unbroken will want to open these damned despicable Demonweed Dens, and they're not going to get approval for it because of their checkered pasts.

    No damned Pot Proprietor is going to find a landlord willing to lease them a shop. They're not going to be able to find a bank willing to give them a business loan. They're not going to be able to find a community which won't chase them out with torches and pitchforks.

    Only a MYTHICAL CREATURE could open a Weed Warehouse. A guy who has no rap sheet (not even a traffic ticket), who is wealthy enough to buy property outright, who can find a place of business 1,000 feet away from any school, church, day care center or bus stop, jump through all the hoops and then after clearing the STATE requirements, go through the CITY ZONING to boot and do so successfully.

    That's never going to happen. These people are hated, despised, and every zoning request is by public hearing with an opportunity to protest it. I DAMNED SURE will protest every pot shop request made, every single one, and see that no license is ever granted to anybody. Even JESUS CHRIST himself wouldn't pass the background check that a damned jackass looking to operate a "dispensary" will face.

    • 1 vote
    #2.4 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:55 PM EST
    Chuck1968

    are you talking just Arizona? ( in which case youd still be wrong. But stay in fantasy land, your choice.)

    the dispensaries that opened in Colorado out number the number of Starbucks .

    They are helping trhe economy there. they balanced their budget with funds from the Mj industry. Its not going away, but it is driving the few fools who still lap up the propaganda crazy, and I love that.

      #2.5 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:22 PM EST
      MeanGene-3334839

      are you talking just Arizona? ( in which case youd still be wrong. But stay in fantasy land, your choice.)

      the dispensaries that opened in Colorado out number the number of Starbucks .

      Those dispensaries are being chased out of Colorado with torches and pitchforks. People hate them and their customers. I'm quite familiar with Colorado, I live in a house in Grand Junction several weeks per year and there's only one Dispensary left standing in the Grand Valley. Every other one of the filthy Hemp Whorehouses have been shut down by angry voters who realized that they've been had, that the fraud was NEVER about "medical marijuana" and that the weedsters just wanted to get stoned.

      You do know there's a Starbucks in practically every City Market (Colorado's Kroger chain) right?

      They are helping trhe economy there. they balanced their budget with funds from the Mj industry. Its not going away, but it is driving the few fools who still lap up the propaganda crazy, and I love that.

      They're killing the economy. The "medical marijuana" is winding up in the hands of schoolkids who drop out of school and will spend the rest of their lives alternating between prison and welfare. Any short-term gain is offset by the long-term loss. It's unwise to mortgage the future to party hearty today.

      • 1 vote
      #2.6 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:10 PM EST
      Chuck1968

      again you talk out your ass. No surprise there.

      http://www.theatlanticwire.com/business/2011/07/marijuana-shops-outnumber-starbucks-denver/39649/

      the number of Starbucks 266 in Denver is outnumbered by mj dispensaries 300 . they are here to stay. people in Colorado love to leave people alone. let them be.

      I lived there for 20 years, so dont try and tell me how Coloradans view it.

      It will be legalized.

      Personally I dont care if people lie about medical use, people like you lie about its effects everyday. You just hate being countered with your own play book. Too bad for you.

      They arent killing the economy either. but the fact that your idiotic beliefs are being plowed over by the truth and pot smokers gets you lil panties in a bunch. LOL!! and I love seeing you flail and try and counter with lies. You ;lose again MG

      checkmate

      http://neighbors.denverpost.com/viewtopic.php?t=15873063

      He opposed it as Denver's district attorney, but Gov. Bill Ritter is now turning to medical marijuana to heal the state budget.
      The plan Ritter announced Monday to bridge a nearly $60 million shortfall in the current budget year relies on $9 million from the state's Medical Marijuana Program Cash Fund

      and you cant back up your school kids dropping out of school bullsh*t either.

      what else is new. but I dare you to try, of course knowing theres no way you can succeed.

        #2.7 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:09 PM EST
        Sir Richard Owen

        It will be legalized.

        Don't bet on it.

        Feds crack down on Colorado medical pot dispensaries

        ...

        Gov. Bill Ritter is now turning to medical marijuana to heal the state budget.

        You should have read the comments of the article you linked to. Ritter can't touch that money:

        25-1.5-106. Medical marijuana program - powers and duties of department

        (3) (a) The medical marijuana program cash fund shall be subject to annual appropriation by the general assembly to the department for the purpose of establishing, operating, and maintaining the medical marijuana program established by section 14 of article XVIII of the state constitution. All moneys credited to the medical marijuana program cash fund and all interest derived from the deposit of such moneys that are not expended during the fiscal year shall be retained in the fund for future use and shall not be credited or transferred to the general fund or any other fund.

        Grabbing $9 million for the general fund is specifically not allowed. -- #1566058

        And if Ritter isn't careful, he may wind up in jail along with his dope dealers:

        A month later, U.S. attorneys in Washington state issued a legal opinion threatening to prosecute not only dispensary owners and growers but state officials who would have enforced a proposed state licensing system for medical marijuana. -- Feds crack down

        The wheels of Justice may turn slow, but they do turn. They'll get to Colorado soon enough.

        "Those who do not comply will be subject to potential criminal prosecution and civil enforcement actions," Walsh said. "Because the stores are operating within 1,000 feet of a school, enhanced penalties apply under federal law."

        and you cant back up your school kids dropping out of school bullsh*t either.

        Do you really think that anyone is going to admit to selling dope to children?

        • 1 vote
        #2.8 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:24 PM EST
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        PAUL-372271

        they just see their gravy train of fining, incarcerating, and fortfeiture, etc. going away and they want to protect their easy money scheme, so they won't have to do any real crime fighting.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#3 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 4:47 PM EST
        California Militia

        ive smoked weed illegally for over 20 years. i have never had a cop give me a ticket or fine me for catching me with marijuana. most the time they throw it away, sometimes they take it, and on a rare occasion they even give it back.

        I dont know anyone who is in jail for having weed. do you, or are you just talking?

          #3.1 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 6:50 PM EST
          beaz-435179

          Come to Arizona. We have a deal with CCA, the governor's private prison pals, to jail 'em all, even if it's just with a twig caught in their hair, but they can carry concealed weapons bought without a license or a background check. I'd rather face a marijuana joint than an automatic with extra clips with 31 rounds like the one that mowed down our congresswoman and a nine-year-old girl, among others.

          • 1 vote
          #3.2 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:20 AM EST
          PAUL-372271

          California, as your name may imply, is much more tolerant than probably all other states, but as an example, how about the millions we spend to have the DEA fly over in helicopters looking for grows, whereby they spend millions to get thousands of dollars worth of pot.

            #3.3 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:43 AM EST
            ol doc gold

            CM,

            Having lived in AZ and now in CA I can agree with Paul, its a world of difference.  I don't smoke weed personally but I am all for legalization, especially for medicinal purposes.  Here are some stats for you:

            The website of theMarijuana Policy Project notes that: "Federal government figures indicate there are more than 41,000 Americans in state or federal prison on marijuana charges right now, not including those in county jails. That's more than the number imprisoned on all charges combined in eight individual European Union countries."

            source

              #3.4 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:42 PM EST
              MeanGene-3334839

              Come to Arizona.

              Not if you want marijuana. Pot will not grow naturally in the desert.

              We have a deal with CCA, the governor's private prison pals, to jail 'em all, even if it's just with a twig caught in their hair, but they can carry concealed weapons bought without a license or a background check.

              I happen to have an Arizona CCW permit. I agree with concealed carry and typically do so with either a 9mm or at minimum a .380 because you never know when you'll come face to face with a stark raving pothead out to kill.

              I'd rather face a marijuana joint than an automatic with extra clips with 31 rounds like the one that mowed down our congresswoman and a nine-year-old girl, among others.

              That was Jared Loughner, a typical pothead who succumbed to classic schizophrenia caused by marijuana abuse. Pot smokers like Loughner is a poster boy for why we should all carry concealed handguns.

              • 1 vote
              #3.5 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:52 PM EST
              ol doc gold

              who succumbed to classic schizophrenia caused by marijuana abuse.

              a-a-a-a-and you lost me.

              learn the facts

                #3.6 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:20 PM EST
                MeanGene-3334839

                http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/10/26/cannabis-disrupts-brain-waves-like-schizophrenia-study-finds/

                Marijuana and schizophrenia are peas in a pod. There is no doubt that potheads are murderously insane, modern-day Jeyll and Hydes.

                • 1 vote
                #3.7 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:45 PM EST
                ol doc gold

                okay do you see the problem here? I post a link from the National Institute of Mental Health and you post a link from fox news.

                But I have actually seen that study before and its an important distinction. That article you posted talks about inducing symptoms similar to schizophrenia, not causing schizophrenia.

                Keep in mind I am not defending potsmokers, I am defending schizophrenics. There are many, many schizophrenics that have never touched drugs, or done anything wrong at all.

                • 1 vote
                #3.8 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:21 AM EST
                MeanGene-3334839

                okay do you see the problem here? I post a link from the National Institute of Mental Health and you post a link from fox news.

                Yep, I posted a link from a business which isn't on taxpayer life support and you posted a link from a bunch of scientists so utterly incompetent that they live on welfare checks they call government funding.

                But I have actually seen that study before and its an important distinction. That article you posted talks about inducing symptoms similar to schizophrenia, not causing schizophrenia.

                Not all car wrecks are caused by drunk driving either, but that doesn't mean drunk driving isn't a factor in many car wrecks.

                The link between psychotropics (marijuana is one) and psycopathy has long been established.

                http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/teens-who-smoke-pot-at-risk-for-later-schizophrenia-psychosis-201103071676

                Teenaged punks who have smoked pot only five times in their lives have DOUBLED their risks of developing psychological illness. Like Japanese girls who bind their feet in childhood to keep their shoe size tiny, a pothead with a developing brain who messes with it will impair normal development and suffer abnormal development instead.

                That's why there should be a special place in Hell for anyone who gives a kid under the age of 30 marijuana. It ruins futures for money.

                Keep in mind I am not defending potsmokers, I am defending schizophrenics. There are many, many schizophrenics that have never touched drugs, or done anything wrong at all.

                Not all people who get lung cancer have smoked cigarettes either. That's hardly a glowing recommendation to turn people into nicotine fiends just because it could happen with or without tobacco abuse.

                Communities in general do not want mentally ill or stoners around wandering freely. They tend to freak people out with their aggressive panhandling, bizarre behavior/appearance and lack of personal hygiene. They drive customers away from businesses, they are a public nuisance in parks and libraries, they create a situation where kids can't even play outside and no community wants that.

                • 1 vote
                #3.9 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:20 AM EST
                Chuck1968

                Marijuana will be legalized eventually , probably within the next ten years and theres not a thing the anti mj propaganda believers can do about it.

                These idiots that are still dumb enough to be caught up in reefer madness are a dying generation. Thank God!

                  #3.10 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:04 PM EST
                  Tex-988483

                  MeanGene:

                  Dang Podna. You are still at it. I'd haul off and argue with you but it's kind of like arguing the 2nd Amendment with a Hoplophobe.

                  All I'll say is that you are dang amusing.

                  cha togar m'fhearg gun dioldah

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.11 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:48 PM EST
                  MeanGene-3334839

                  Chuck,

                  Marijuana will be legalized eventually , probably within the next ten years and theres not a thing the anti mj propaganda believers can do about it.

                  No, it won't be and here's the reason why:

                  The population of active marijuana smokers (those who have smoked within the past 30 days) is only 20 Million Americans, or less than 10% of the US Population. That means 90% of voters have no use for the Devil's Cane and will not support legalization.

                  Worse, public tolerance for drug abuse is going down, not up. Tobacco taxes get passed every time they're proposed because most voters hate on smokers. Every anti-DUI law proposed sails through like the wind because everybody hates on drunks too. So, potheads looking for voter love is going to find it lacking.

                  Marijuana will never be legalized. President Obama already said he's against it, so that's a veto until he's out of office (at least 2012, maybe 2016) and no Republican could get any legislation through a Republican house of Representatives. That means NO CHANCE for legalization for at least the next five years.

                  In that five years, Americans will be even less tolerant of drug abuse as that's the current trend. So, the chances of legalization, now zero, will be even less than zero five years down the road.

                  Marijuana will always be against the law. Forever. And there's nothing you can say to make it different.

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.12 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:19 PM EST
                  Chuck1968

                  The population of active marijuana smokers (those who have smoked within the past 30 days) is only 20 Million Americans, or less than 10% of the US Population. That means 90% of voters have no use for the Devil's Cane and will not support legalization.

                  There is no way to accurately know how many smoke pot.

                  The gallup poll showing that more Americans than ever support complete legalization flies directly in the face of your personal wishes.

                  and we all heard for years how states will never legalize it as a medicine. Now 17 have. (btw the exact same medicinal scenario happened with alcohol in the 30s , alcohol is legal now. ) What people are mostly tired of is lies from people like you .

                  Colorado and a few other states have petitioned the government to change the scheduling of MJ. That sure doesnt sound like they're ready to shut it down.

                  Mj is on its way to being legal. Keep on throwing your tantrum though , its quite amusing, but doesnt change the facts.

                  you must be on some other drugs to post that drivel.

                    #3.13 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:16 PM EST
                    MeanGene-3334839

                    There is no way to accurately know how many smoke pot.

                    Of course there is. The first thing that happens to an arrestee when they get booked is a drug test, so it's pretty easy to tell what percentage of people smoke pot based on that data. Drug testing is also a regular feature of probation as well.

                    The gallup poll showing that more Americans than ever support complete legalization flies directly in the face of your personal wishes.

                    The 2010 election in California for complete legalization failed, which proves I'm absolutely correct. If California voters won't pass a legalization initiative then no other less liberal State can. Gallup polls are trumped by elections, as elections are what make the law.

                    and we all heard for years how states will never legalize it as a medicine. Now 17 have. (btw the exact same medicinal scenario happened with alcohol in the 30s , alcohol is legal now. ) What people are mostly tired of is lies from people like you .

                    Alcohol is not legal now. Tic Tacs are legal, but alcohol is a controlled substance in all 50 States and there are many states which highly regulate it. I thought you were a Colorado expert? Don't you know that in Colorado, beer sold at grocery stores can't be more than 3.2% alcohol?

                    Colorado and a few other states have petitioned the government to change the scheduling of MJ. That sure doesnt sound like they're ready to shut it down.

                    The government doesn't have the authority to change the scheduling of Marijuana. That's a matter of international law and the scheduling of Marijuana is set by the UN Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961. It would take a majority vote of the 150 signatory nations to move Marijuana from Schedule I. The Federal Government is powerless to unilaterally reclassify pot.

                    Mj is on its way to being legal. Keep on throwing your tantrum though , its quite amusing, but doesnt change the facts.

                    Marijuana will never be legal. At best it would be restricted like alcohol and tobacco, but with all of the limitations of both of them.

                    That means everywhere that doesn't allow smoking cigarettes won't allow smoking pot.

                    No smoking pot on buses, planes or in public buildings. No smoking pot in restaurants, hospitals, theaters, or within 200 feet of an open doorway to any such businesses.

                    That means everywhere that doesn't allow alcohol won't allow smoking pot either.

                    No smoking pot while driving, no smoking pot in public, no smoking pot on the job, no smoking pot while in jail, and no smoking pot in parks.

                    The one-two combination means that the only possible place to legally smoke marijuana would be in one's home and nowhere else. The net result would be marijuana use is still against the law everywhere you go.

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.14 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:12 PM EST
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                    Midnight Toker 4+20

                    Same happened to my dispensary in a mid sized Michigan town. I provided tax base not only to the local and state governments but also the federal. This isn't about what the "people" want this is about what the state powers (usually right wing in my area) pressure these localities to conform to because of other state funding.

                    So instead of a safe, regulated environment our localities and state overlords would rather have it bought from the criminal black market. Maybe this funding was more than what the dispensaries provided.

                    This constant ridiculous view of MJ really is absurd and of no ones business besides the patient/doctor and provider. More subversion of the voters will and current law.

                    SMGDH. Paul you are absolutely correct.

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                    Reply#4 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 5:01 PM EST
                    MeanGene-3334839

                    Same happened to my dispensary in a mid sized Michigan town. I provided tax base not only to the local and state governments but also the federal. This isn't about what the "people" want this is about what the state powers (usually right wing in my area) pressure these localities to conform to because of other state funding.

                    Do you know why businesses pay tax? It's to offset the costs they impose upon a community for police, fire, and other infrastructure. A police officer, just one, represents a community investment of about $100,000 per year in salary, equipment (squad cars ain't cheap) and training (that ain't cheap either). When a business ties up more resources than it pays for by attracting a bunch of criminals and their crimes, then the taxes they pay aren't enough to justify allowing the business to remain in town.

                    In Colorado, one of the justifications used for shutting down dispensaries was that it ruined schools. Schools near medical marijuana dispensaries nearly doubled the number of students expelled for bringing marijuana on campus. Each student expelled is an enormous cost to the community because that kid will be absolutely worthless for life and it's because marijuana dispensary pot winds up in the hands of kiddies all the time, every time.

                    Some of the reason is because medical marijuana head shops are just fronts for drug dealing. Some of the reason is because most medical marijuana card holders are stone cold liars about their "illness" and "puff-puff-pass" their "medicine" with their stoner pals.

                    Mostly, the reason is because anyone who would touch marijuana is an evil bastard prone to criminal behavior.

                    So instead of a safe, regulated environment our localities and state overlords would rather have it bought from the criminal black market. Maybe this funding was more than what the dispensaries provided.

                    A safe, regulated environment is an impossibility because of the nature of the criminals who are attracted to marijuana like moths to a flame. Once the marijuana is in the hands of a crook, then it doesn't really matter if the marijuana got into his felonious fist legally or illegally, it's going to be on the street and mayhem will be the very predictable result.

                    This constant ridiculous view of MJ really is absurd and of no ones business besides the patient/doctor and provider. More subversion of the voters will and current law.

                    If the "voters will" were the benchmark then slavery would still be legal in the Confederate States of America. The voters aren't always right about everything.

                    As for current law, the current law is that marijuana is illegal in the entire USA, all USA territories and about 150 nations worldwide.

                    Get caught with marijuana in Malaysia and it's a death penalty offense.

                    The USA isn't the only place with no love for dope dealing.

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                    #4.1 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:48 AM EST
                    Chuck1968

                    . Schools near medical marijuana dispensaries nearly doubled the number of students expelled for bringing marijuana on campus.

                    Do show us proof MG. PROOF not Fox entertainment blather

                      #4.2 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:09 PM EST
                      Chuck1968

                      still no proof from Mean gene LMAO! Gee what a surprise!

                        #4.3 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:20 PM EST
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                        sundown198

                        I wonder why people are surprised at medical MJ getting a foot hold. no one remembers history and what is already established in federal district courts in washington DC

                        In 1976, Randall made legal and medical history when he persuaded a federal court in Washington, DC, that his use of marijuana to treat his glaucoma was a medical necessity. At the same time, he petitioned the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for permission to legally use it. In November, 1976, Randall became the first person in modern U.S. history to obtain legal, medical access to marijuana.

                        The federal government attempted to cut off Randall's supply in 1978, but he sued to be able to continue to use marijuana for his glaucoma-and won again. His victory compelled the federal government to establish a special "Compassionate IND" program, under which he was able to gain access to a non-approved drug. He continued to receive U.S. government-supplied joints ever since. (thats right the FDA supplied his pot)

                        The college professor of gentle mien became a powerful, articulate advocate for those whose ailments could be alleviated through the use of medical marijuana. In the late 1970s, he helped push through laws in more than 30 states that recognized marijuana's medical utility and set up statewide research and access programs. But because of unstinting opposition from the federal government, most of those state programs remained dormant. (Dormant not cancelled or repelled)

                        http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=257

                        Link showing the four patients as of sept 9 2010 are still receiving 8 to 9 cured ounces per month from the FEDERAL government's Compassionate IND program

                        so if the federal government doesn't agree with the medical stand point of pot why has the FDA been suppling it for up to 40 years all the while stating they dont agree with medical MJ

                          Reply#5 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 7:08 PM EST
                          sundown198

                          opps was hitting the bong not quite 40 years was 34 years

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                          #5.1 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 7:20 PM EST
                          SLUVE

                          oh boy do I love hitting the bong

                            #5.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:01 PM EST
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                            caballojoe

                            Unfortunately, the US has been spreading propaganda about marijuana for decades in order to prop up billion dollar budgets for interdiction, military programs, and even spraying harmless hemp that grows wild in ditches (the latter is a $500 million/year industry). Much of it appealed to the darker side of humans, their prejudices. It has been very effective, and many people still identify marijuana with Mexicans, Blacks, and unsavory jazz musicians. It will take decades to counter the effects of this dis-information campaign. Nowadays, we still see anti-drug commercials on TV, many times showing the adverse health effects of serious drugs like meth, but to their credit, they often seem to end by showing the most adverse of all such effects, which is incarceration by the government. I don't advocate drug use, but I do believe that people should be free to ruin themselves any way they want, whether it's alcohol, smoking, falling in love, getting married, or becoming a government bureaucrat. Many of us know just how harmless marijuana is compared to a myriad of other things that are perfectly legal.

                              Reply#6 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:57 AM EST
                              MeanGene-3334839

                              Unfortunately, the US has been spreading propaganda about marijuana for decades in order to prop up billion dollar budgets for interdiction, military programs, and even spraying harmless hemp that grows wild in ditches (the latter is a $500 million/year industry).

                              Ditchweed is not harmless, it impedes water flow and contributes to flooding. Flooding causes billions of dollars in damage and flood control is a major asset in living in a civilized nation. You can either clear the weeds out of the ditches or you can go with the Noah Solution and build yourself an Ark. Don't forget to collect your animals two by two.

                              I liked the military programs. One of the funniest things I've ever seen was when I was on LEO (law enforcement operations) in the Navy (Coast Guard aboard) and a dope smuggler off the coast of Puerto Rico tried to tell us we had no jurisdiction. Wrong answer, Puerto Rico is a territory of the US and that's US Territorial waters. The idiot tried to run and we sent a helo gunship with machine guns and torpedos to change his mind. Then we sunk his boat as a hazard to navigation.

                              The smuggler was the best part. "You can't do this!" "You have no jurisdiction!" "I have rights!"

                              Yeah? We've got cannons and machine guns and attack helicopters and your ass is breaking the law in US territorial waters so guess what that means? Yes, we can do this, yes we do have jurisdiction and you can tell the Judge about your damned rights because that's not our problem and it's not what we do.

                              Much of it appealed to the darker side of humans, their prejudices. It has been very effective, and many people still identify marijuana with Mexicans, Blacks, and unsavory jazz musicians.

                              Hippies, you forgot hippies. I think it's fair to judge a man by the decisions he's made, don't you? I mean, nobody decided to be Mexican or Black (although I intend to be Black on January 16th, Irish on March 17th and Mexican on May 5th) but everybody who broke the greatest law ever passed and used marijuana chose to break the law.

                              Marijuana has been illegal for over 100 years in the USA, illegal since 1905. No one alive has used it without knowingly and willfully breaking the law, so everyone who has smoked pot and still lives is an outlaw.

                              It will take decades to counter the effects of this dis-information campaign.

                              Potheads have been trying for a hundred years fruitlessly already because they lose and the law wins. Bad guys always lose.

                              Nowadays, we still see anti-drug commercials on TV, many times showing the adverse health effects of serious drugs like meth, but to their credit, they often seem to end by showing the most adverse of all such effects, which is incarceration by the government.

                              Do you actually believe that people are incarcerated for JUST marijuana? I don't, I think it takes a heck of a lot to get the attentions of a police officer elevated to the point that they're pulling out handcuffs and throwing you in the back seat of their squad car.

                              Nuh-huh. There's no "SUPERCOP" looking through bedroom walls to detect a midnite toker watching Cartoon Network in the wee hours of the night. These potheads are screwing up something bad to get the local constabulary interested in their mundane activities.

                              I don't advocate drug use, but I do believe that people should be free to ruin themselves any way they want, whether it's alcohol, smoking, falling in love, getting married, or becoming a government bureaucrat.

                              Fair enough, and here's why I disagree... people are never free to ruin themselves because no man is an island.

                              I don't believe in victimless crimes and I don't believe in the concept of owing nobody nothing. It's simply not true. There isn't anybody who could die and not leave a void. You can agree or disagree with that, but I believe that in a world where all men are created equal, then all of our deaths are pretty much equal too.

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                              #6.1 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:39 AM EST
                              Chuck1968

                              so according to MG shooting at people is good, smoking harmless MJ bad.

                              interesting.

                              Do you actually believe that people are incarcerated for JUST marijuana? I don't, I think it takes a heck of a lot to get the attentions of a police officer elevated to the point that they're pulling out handcuffs and throwing you in the back seat of their squad car.

                              I know for a fact people are locked up for JUST marijuana. It takes nothing to get a cop to pull out their handcuffs. They have become notrhing but thugs. Heck listen to you thinking shooting and firing torpedoes is a great idea.

                                #6.2 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:14 PM EST
                                MeanGene-3334839

                                so according to MG shooting at people is good, smoking harmless MJ bad.

                                Marijuana is more dangerous than guns are.

                                Marijuana sent 376,467 Americans to the Emergency Room in 2009.

                                Only 600 gun accidents occur in the USA per year.

                                Obviously, marijuana is several hundred times more dangerous than a gun.

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                                #6.3 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:32 PM EST
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