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Marines name general to handle video probes

Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:42 PM EST
politics, us, united-states, taliban, marines, hamid-karzai, marine-corps, leon-panetta, corpses, taliban-corpses
Robert Burns, AP National Security Writer
The Obama administration is assuring Afghan leaders that a full investigation is under way into a video purportedly showing Marines urinating on the corpses of Taliban fighters. AP White House Correspondent Mark Smith reports.
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<p>Defense Secretary Leon Panetta speaks at the Pentagon, Thursday, Jan. 5, 2012, to discuss defense strategic guidance. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)</p>

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta speaks at the Pentagon, Thursday, Jan. 5, 2012, to discuss defense strategic guidance. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

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WASHINGTON — The Marine Corps on Friday laid the groundwork for deciding what, if any, disciplinary action will be taken in the case of an Internet video purporting to show Marine snipers urinating on dead bodies in Afghanistan.

The top Marine officer, Gen. James Amos, appointed three-star Gen. Thomas Waldhauser to oversee the case. Waldhauser named another officer to do an internal Marine Corps investigation, which is in addition to a criminal probe under way by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service.

Waldhauser will decide what to do as a result of the investigations.

In Afghanistan, a senior US commander issued a letter to all personnel in the international coalition that is fighting the war, explicitly reminding them of the need to respect the dead. The letter from Army Lt. Gen. Curtis M. Scaparrotti, commander of the International Security Assistance Force Joint Command, reflected the depth of concern about fallout from the video.

"Defiling, desecrating, mocking, photographing or filming for personal use insurgent dead constitutes a grave breach of the LOAC (laws of armed conflict), violate basic standards of human decency and can cause serious damage to relations with the Afghan government," Scaparrotti wrote. He ordered all commanders to remind their subordinates of their duty to comply.

No one has been charged in the case, which triggered widespread outrage with the appearance Wednesday on YouTube of a brief video that appears to show four Marines in full combat gear urinating on the bodies of three dead men lying on the ground.

Marine Gen. John Allen, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, condemned the behavior and said in a statement Friday while he was traveling in the U.S. that the facts in the case should be determined swiftly.

"These actions are in direct opposition to everything the military stands for," Allen said after viewing the video. "Such acts in no way reflect the high moral standards and values we expect of our armed forces on a daily basis."

Pentagon officials worry that the actions depicted in the video will tarnish the reputation of the entire military. Some officials have expressed fear that it could undermine prospects for exploratory Afghan peace talks.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and military leaders have promised an exhaustive investigation and sought to contain the damage at home and abroad.

Marine Corps headquarters at the Pentagon issued a statement Friday announcing Amos's appointment of Waldhauser, commander of Marine Forces Central Command, which is responsible for Afghanistan.

It said Waldhauser will "exercise his independent judgment" and decide how to handle "any allegations of wrongdoing."

Waldhauser appointed a three-star general, Steven Hummer, to lead the internal Marine Corps investigation. The probe will look into the question of what prompted the four Marines' behavior, said one officer, speaking on condition of anonymity in order to discuss an internal matter. That will include examining whether the Corps' current training and education on the laws of warfare are adequate, the officer said.

A second officer, also speaking privately to discuss an internal matter, said investigators will consider whether more senior Marines, such as the commander of the four Marines' battalion, failed to ensure a climate of proper discipline. The four who appeared in the video are enlisted Marines. Their exact ranks have not been made public.

The NCIS, the law enforcement arm of the Navy, is heading the main inquiry, which is expected to consider evidence of violations of the U.S. military legal code as well as the international laws of warfare.

By Friday, the NCIS had identified and interviewed all four of the Marines appearing in the video. At the time, they were filmed urinating on the bodies, the four were members of the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marines, which fought in the southern Afghan province of Helmand for seven months before returning to their home base at Camp Lejeune, N.C., last September.

Two of the four, plus the commander of the battalion, had moved on to other assignments before the video appeared on the Internet, according to Marine Corps officials who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss an active investigation. The Marines' names have not been made public.

In its first public statement about the probe, the NCIS said Friday the probe is in its "very early stages." NCIS communications director Maryann B. Cummings said all four Marines are in the U.S., but she provided no other details about them. She said investigators are looking for information about those who created the video and posted it on the Internet.

The video itself is being studied for clues with the use of NCIS "computer forensic techniques," she said without elaborating.

The emergence of the Internet video didn't seem to immediately set back movement toward exploratory negotiations with the Taliban. Asked about possible implications for peace talks, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday that the U.S. remained strongly committed to supporting Afghan efforts.

Panetta, however, said the incident could endanger the talks.

"The danger is that this kind of video can be misused in many ways to undermine what we are trying to do in Afghanistan and the possibility of reconciliation," Panetta said at Fort Bliss, Texas.

He said it was important for the U.S. to move quickly to "send a clear signal to the world that the U.S. will not tolerate this kind of behavior and that is not what the U.S. is all about."

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Associated Press writers Pauline Jelinek in Washington, Deb Riechmann in Kabul, Afghanistan, and Juan Carlos Llorca in El Paso, Texas, contributed to this report.

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Robert Burns can be reached on Twitter at http://twitter.com/robertburnsAP

© 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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fernando-2143457

Dumbasses

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:59 PM EST
L'EMPEREUR du POLE NORD

Don't forget aside from being illegal in the UCMJ ( Uniform Code of Military Justice ). It is also a violation of the Geneva Convention.

Nice way to 'win their hearts and minds'.

You just made many more millions of Muslims, and others worldwide, hate America.

THANKS A LOT, dumb asses.

Your families will be proud, NOT.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:41 AM EST
FLYNAVY1

I don't condone it, but I can understand how it happens.

I hate to break it to those that might not realize it, but this is just a very minor facet of the ugliness of war, and why it should be avoided at all costs. Those that have never taken the oath of enlistment and had to face dealing with life and death situations on a regular basis are in no position to criticize the actions of these kids. I know the Marines, and they will take care of this situation. This is a very regretful action that brings dishonor to the United States, but we civilians best understand that we are just as responsible for putting these kids in this situation in the first place.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:57 AM EST
fernando-2143457

FLYNAVY1- I am actually a veteran of both OEF and OIF. Not only do I think they are dumbasses, I think they are disgraceful.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:42 AM EST
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JhmcO302

Let' wait untill all the info is in ,ie;AfterAction Report.Marines are held to the highest standards in the military and should be punished if they desecrated the enemy dead. This is probably at batallion now and being sorted out.I hope they did not bring dishonor to our corps,if they did let the UCMJ do its job and the punishment be carried out.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:59 PM EST
Angry Left-532262

I am a former active duty Marine (A 1/11 13th MEU (SOC) Somalia), I can't say I have seen anything like this, but I also can't say I am entirely surprised.

Take that for what it is I guess.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:29 PM EST
Bummer of Oregon

Perfect! More propaganda for the anti-West leaders to use against their sheeple. Well done, dumbasses!

    Reply#4 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:31 PM EST
    b.s.cutter

    I'm tired of supporting the troops

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:33 AM EST
    BostonMan-3128434

    Then feel free to leave the country and support the Taliban

    • 1 vote
    #5.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:56 AM EST
    FLYNAVY1

    Better yet B.S. Cutter..... Why don't you go take the oath of enlistment and become one of the troops. That way you can be the one receiving the support.

      #5.2 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:00 AM EST
      b.s.cutter

      I thought the idea was to make less terrorists,not more.

      • 4 votes
      #5.3 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:20 AM EST
      klm-547227

      b.s.cutter-

      Your statement reminds me of teachers who punish the whole class for the bad behavior of one or two. That kind of thing.

      What kind of statement is it that you are tired of supporting our troops? Even if you don't believe our war is justified and or working, surely you believe our soldiers deserve support, both emotional and financial from home. Withdrawing support means that you are okay with our sons and daughters, fathers, brothers, our loved ones being tortured, maimed, and killed. And for what?

      Certainly the actions of these individuals is deplorable. They aren't alone, every now and then we get a glimpse of some really bad things people do when they stop thinking or whatever it is that makes them do commit acts like this in war. I don't like it either, like I don't like it when a bad cop or bad soldier acts unnecessarily. There are many veterens here disavowing the act because they understand real valor.

      I do support our troops, always.

        #5.4 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:35 AM EST
        jim shinkle

        I remember people like you they were at airports a comming home places to spit on our troops and yell out nasty things like baby killer. maybe you should trade place'es with one of our guys for just a few months you'll change your story when is your ass on the line and the other guys trying to kill you and doing awful things to your pals . ex VIETNAM GUY

        • 1 vote
        #5.5 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:31 AM EST
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        Desert Storm Black Vet

        Give it lip service. Then forget it. better than keeping it in the press forever.

        Damn it, stupid things happen and people do stupid things when their pissed.

        Reject the notion that any group of people gets to say. "See look what you all did"

        Bull!!!! that's just like racism.

        We have rules and we will police our own.

        Hell if we followed the people we are fighting against rules we would have hung them from a bridge with a sign around them and burned a flag.

        They are wrong but let's not spend too much time wailing about it.

          Reply#6 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:45 AM EST
          jim shinkle

          I can't believe you people are letting the media do this to our troops most of the boys over there are young real young and immature,so they made a mistake theres alot more worst things in war. the media has no right the to blow this out like they are doing it will cause untold deaths and more hate! COME ON PEOPLE STOP THIS @!$%#!! VIETNAM GUY

            Reply#7 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:20 AM EST
            fernando-2143457

            Actually, their actions are the only things causing untold deaths.

            First, you pissed on the enemy

            Second, you recorded it

            Third, you let the video out for others to see

            These Marines are to blame completely.

            OEF, OIF guy.

            • 2 votes
            #7.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST
            jim shinkle

            You might think they are young and make dumb ass mistakes but do you know who put it on the net was it them or someone just to put a feather in his own cap! and the people that keep showing and the media that keeps playing it just keeps picking the scab. I really don't think all the blame is on them ,who sent them there anyway!! And I was told it was a reporter who recorded it maybe you should try being on the front battle line and see if you always use good judgement pal, you are sure fast to point the finger , you must be a talaban smypathizer!!!!! vietnam guy

              #7.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:47 PM EST
              fernando-2143457

              Actually I am a veteran of both OIF and OEF.

              I came back from both deployments without dishonoring myself, team, squad, platoon, company, battalion, brigade, division, corps, Army or country.

              • 1 vote
              #7.3 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:52 PM EST
              L'EMPEREUR du POLE NORD

              jim shinkle

              You might think they are young and make dumb ass mistakes but do you know who put it on the net was it them or someone just to put a feather in his own cap! and the people that keep showing and the media that keeps playing it just keeps picking the scab. I really don't think all the blame is on them ,who sent them there anyway!! And I was told it was a reporter who recorded it maybe you should try being on the front battle line and see if you always use good judgement pal, you are sure fast to point the finger , you must be a talaban smypathizer!!!!! vietnam guy

              Your comments blaming the media are unfounded and not true. These Marines have shamed all of us. Defending them is wrong, they screwed up and broke the laws, UCMJ and the Geneva Convention.

              You vile comment about fernando-2143457 being a Taliban sympathizer is despicable. You sound like a REMF.

              Sign me as a Korean War and Vietnam War combat veteran.

              • 1 vote
              #7.4 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:28 PM EST
              jim shinkle

              I see theres no point in trying to make you see whats going on here.I did not say they did right thing, but I'am not so quick to throw them under the bus either! If you ARE a true combat veteran you of all people should know these boys are young and are going to make mistakes are we so great we can sit a judge them. as for fernando I'am proud that you did ok but just try to think about your brothers maybe they lost something that day you didn't.

                #7.5 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:49 PM EST
                Angry Left-532262

                Young boys get judged and go to prison everyday for the mistakes they make.

                • 2 votes
                #7.6 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:28 PM EST
                jim shinkle

                You no what piss on all those talaban and pour pig blood on them and piss on you if you don't like it. I'am sick of guys like you that say we need to play by the rules when there are no rules in WAR. read what LT. COL Allen West wrote fair is fair ass hole over and out! This will be my last post!

                  #7.7 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:32 PM EST
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