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Wikipedia editors question site's blackout

Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:58 PM EST
us-news, business, technology, us, wikipedia, credibility
Peter Svensson, AP Technology Writer

FILE - In this Nov. 1, 2011 file photo, Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia speaks during the opening session at the London Cyberspace Conference in London. Wikipedia will black out the English language version of its website Wednesday, Jan. 18, 2012, to protest anti-piracy legislation under consideration in Congress, the foundation behind the popular community-based online encyclopedia said in a statement Monday night. (AP Photo/Kirsty Wigglesworth, file pool)

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NEW YORK — Can the world live without Wikipedia for a day? The shutdown of one of the Internet's most-visited sites is not sitting well with some of its volunteer editors, who say the protest of anti-piracy legislation could threaten the credibility of their work.

"My main concern is that it puts the organization in the role of advocacy, and that's a slippery slope," said editor Robert Lawton, a Michigan computer consultant who would prefer that the encyclopedia stick to being a neutral repository of knowledge. "Before we know it, we're blacked out because we want to save the whales."

Wikipedia's English-language site shut down at midnight Eastern Standard Time Tuesday and the organization said it would stay down for 24 hours.

Instead of encyclopedia articles, visitors to the site saw a stark black-and-white page with the message: "Imagine a world without free knowledge." It carried a link to information about the two congressional bills and details about how to reach lawmakers.

It is the first time the English site has been blacked out. Wikipedia's Italian site came down once briefly in protest to an Internet censorship bill put forward by the Berlusconi government. The bill did not advance.

The shutdown adds to a growing body of critics who are speaking out against the legislation. But some editors are so uneasy with the move that they have blacked out their own user profile pages or resigned their administrative rights on the site to protest. Some likened the site's decision to fighting censorship with censorship.

One of the site's own "five pillars" of conduct says that Wikipedia "is written from a neutral point of view." The site strives to "avoid advocacy, and we characterize information and issues rather than debate them."

Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales argues that the site can maintain neutrality in content even as it takes public positions on issues.

"The encyclopedia will always be neutral. The community need not be, not when the encyclopedia is threatened," he tweeted.

The Wikimedia Foundation, which administers the site, announced the blackout late Monday, after polling its community of volunteer contributors and editors and getting responses from 1,800 of them. The protest is aimed at the Stop Online Piracy Act in the House and the Protect Intellectual Property Act under consideration in the Senate.

"If passed, this legislation will harm the free and open Internet and bring about new tools for censorship of international websites inside the United States," the foundation said.

Both bills are designed to crack down on sales of pirated American products overseas, and they have the support of the film and music industry. Among the opponents are many Internet companies such as Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Twitter, eBay and AOL. They say the bills would hurt the industry and infringe on free-speech rights.

Social news website Reddit.com is shutting down for 12 hours on Wednesday, but most companies are staying up. Google Inc. said it will display its opposition to the bill on its home page in some fashion.

Dick Costollo, CEO of Twitter, said he opposes the legislation as well, but shutting down the service was out of the question.

"Closing a global business in reaction to single-issue national politics is foolish," Costollo tweeted.

Since Wikimedia depends on a small army of volunteers who create and update articles, it's particularly concerned about a lack of exemptions in the bills for sites where users might contribute copyrighted content. Today, it has no obligation under U.S. law except removing that content if a copyright holder complains. But under the House version of the bill, it could be shut down unless it polices its own pages.

The plans for the protest were moving forward even though the bill's prospects appeared to be dimming. On Saturday, Rep. Darrell Issa, a California Republican, said the bill would not move to the House floor for a vote unless consensus is reached. However, Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican, said work on the bill would resume next month.

The White House raised concerns over the weekend, pledging to work with Congress to battle piracy and counterfeiting while defending free expression, privacy and innovation in the Internet. The administration signaled it might use its veto power, if necessary.

That the bill seems unlikely to pass is another reason Lawton opposes the blackout.

"I think there are far more important things for the organization to focus aside from legislation that isn't likely to pass anyway," he said. He's been contributing to Wikipedia for eight years.

Danny Chia, another contributor to the site, said he had mixed feelings about the blackout. The neutrality applies to the content, but a lot of people interpret it as being about the site as a whole, said the Los Altos, Calif., software engineer.

In an online discussion, others raised the same point about the blackout: Appearances matter, and if the audience sees Wikipedia taking a stand, it might not believe the articles are objective, either.

Wikipedia has seen a small decline in participation, from a peak of 100,000 active editors a year ago to about 90,000 now. Wikimedia Foundation blames this mainly on outdated editing tools, and believes it can get the number growing again with software upgrades.

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AP Technology Writer Mike Liedtke contributed to this report.

© 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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RobPlumley

I think we all want to protect intellectual property, while allowing full freedom of expression, privacy, and innovation. That said, how then should countries strive to protect their intellectual property?

It's one thing to scream against intrusion, but how then can we fight piracy?

I think this is a fair question. There are some sites where I regularly copy source code (generally snippets), but these are generally placed out in forums where the author generally does not consider it there own - hell, they might have learned it from somewhere else or another forum.

That said, if I copied and pasted some code snippet from a book, or another web site, and that book or web site is not considered open for use by the public, should I not be held responsible for stealing?

I think instead of a protest (or blackout), Wikipedia should instead have a forum to provide ideas and/or solutions to piracy.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:19 PM EST
Radio Free America

The blackout will only strengthen Wikipedia's creditability with me. When I think of free speech, wikipedia is there.

Both bills are designed to crack down on sales of pirated American products overseas, and they have the support of the film and music industry.

Historically bills/laws are manipulated and their enforcement never remains as intended. Anti-terrorism bill were meant for overseas, now they are meant for the American people. Taking away rights is a slippery slope that takes years to straighten.

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:46 PM EST
Silvaria

Oh, cry me a river...these editors need to quit their whining and realize that what Wiki is doing is absolutely in the best interest of the site and all of us who use it frequently. To compare this to blacking out to save the whales shows an inherent lack of understanding of what this legislation would do to freedom of information.

  • 9 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:12 PM EST
MarkD-555

Oh, cry me a river...these editors need to quit their whining and realize that what Wiki is doing is absolutely in the best interest of the site and all of us who use it frequently.

Looks like Wikip put it to a vote, and a majority of the editors voted to blackout. We just get to hear the whiners.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:03 AM EST
thisbusymonster

"Wikipedia editor" of late has come to mean "control-freak obsessed prima donna."

I'm not sure I give a damn about a few bone-headed contrarians who can't perform a simple act of self-preservation without questioning its "neutrality."

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:45 AM EST
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William J. Brock

That's the double-edged sword of withholding your service: Maybe everyone will realize they never needed you! Talk about digging a very deep hole!

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:50 PM EST
Radio Free America

I have made several searches this evening and finally realized how it will be after midnight. Very disappointing. Matter of fact wikipedia did not show up on a couple of my searches. One was on Abraham Lincoln.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:01 PM EST
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Jim-Evolu

I use the site every day, except for tomorrow apparently...

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:54 PM EST
Megidolaon

So do I! I'm a research junkie, and can easily spend hours and hours on there when I initially went on to find the boiling point on a certain metal. Fortunately, I'm bilingual and can use the Spanish version for now, but I'm afraid of what this blackout could lead to down the road.

Respectfully write your Congressmen, Senators, and elected officials, people! Even if you're not a user (or regular user) of Wikipedia, the acts of SOPA/PIPA could have huge impacts down the road. Besides, what would you rather your kids spend time on: Facebook or Wikipedia? An educated society is a prosperous society!

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:47 AM EST
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Darrah, Greenville, SC

I use wiki every now and then to add some info to the youtube songs I seed.

Honestly, I think this is a childish way to bring attention to the problem. In fact, I'm more prone not to use their services now. Heck, I can just use the songfacts site.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:18 PM EST
Matt in MN

Honestly, I think this is a childish way to bring attention to the problem. In fact, I'm more prone not to use their services now. Heck, I can just use the songfacts site.

If SOPA/PIPA pass, you wont be able to use that site either as it is very blatantly violates copyright under the new statute.

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:06 AM EST
H.H.-1105932

Honestly, I think this is a childish way to bring attention to the problem. In fact, I'm more prone not to use their services now. Heck, I can just use the songfacts site.

Have you even read about sopa?

  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:35 AM EST
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rose-231178

Okay, this is the sight that allows anyone to edit it, correct?

If, that is the truth, than it is a sight I cannot trust.

If I am wrong, so be it. I will look again.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:29 PM EST
MarkD-555

If I am wrong, so be it. I will look again.

Yep, you are wrong. You may edit it, but those changes will not be put into effect till you back up your information with detailed citations. It's at the bottom of every article.

Wikipedia has been rated far more accurate than any other encyclopedia - book or website.

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:02 AM EST
rose-231178

Thanks Mark

  • 1 vote
#5.2 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:00 AM EST
H.H.-1105932

If, that is the truth, than it is a sight I cannot trust.

If I am wrong, so be it. I will look again.

Any site that lists every criticism of their own site they've ever had for everyone to see is pretty trustworthy in my book.

  • 2 votes
#5.3 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:36 AM EST
MarkD-555

Yep, on any article just hit "Talk" on the "Article/Talk" tab in the upper left.

You can look at every change for that article ever, and all the discussions about any proposed changes to the article, and how it is decided on as a group and the reasons why.

  • 2 votes
#5.4 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:19 PM EST
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NOAAMOREJANE

Global Scorning...

  • 1 vote
Reply#6 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:42 PM EST
cried

If

Both bills are designed to crack down on sales of pirated American products overseas, and they have the support of the film and music industry.

were true, then then

Among the opponents are many Internet companies such as Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Twitter, eBay and AOL. They say the bills would hurt the industry and infringe on free-speech rights.

Would not need to occur. The music industry has been trying to censor all other media since player pianos, and the film industry since its inception. IMO any type of censorship, other than parents to their children and even some of that, is wrong.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:15 PM EST
jrone

Wonder if the sun will rise tomorrow? Like wikipedia is crucial to anything.

  • 1 vote
Reply#8 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:34 PM EST
Angela1586572

I agree with Radio Free America's point of view on this matter. I hope there is a petition to sign.
Thanks Wikipedia for all that you do..!

  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:57 PM EST
Matt in MN

One of the VERY few issues I agree with Radio Free America on. EDIT: Doh! I was thinking of a radio affiliate not the Newsvine user.

Unfortunately, Al Franken is a supporter of the bill - I've already called and sent a formal letter of complaint - I suggest everyone do the same.

  • 1 vote
#9.1 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:07 AM EST
Angela1586572


All good, Matt. I need to read the bill, tho the source is down for 24 hours..!

  • 1 vote
#9.2 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:54 AM EST
Matt in MN

I wouldn't even bother with the current one - it's basically been shelved for the time being. Although, there's a great site working on a better revision of it here. Darrel Issa has even made a few comments on the bill:

http://www.keepthewebopen.com/

  • 1 vote
#9.3 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:51 PM EST
Angela1586572

Read Darrel's comments..just a few minutes ago. Thanks for the link..

Reading what other sites; media have to say.

We'll know in the days a head,
what this 'hot' reality means to everyone.

  • 2 votes
#9.4 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:24 PM EST
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madatwiki

to bypass the wiki blockade,simply disable java active scripting

your welcome

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:23 AM EST
documentarybbcDeleted
D Sohl

To me, Wikipedia is all about freedom of information. SOPA/PIPA are the exact opposites of freedom of information. Damn straght, Wikipedia should advocate on this one issue. If it were anything else, then yes, their credibility would be at risk. But on the one issue that Wikipedia is literally all about?

  • 2 votes
Reply#12 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:32 AM EST
NOAAMOREJANE

Real Smart go after the biggest survivor of the Economy. This is nothing more then a push to make the Net more BIAS!!! Media Blackout Du jour.

  • 1 vote
Reply#13 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:48 PM EST
madatwiki

you can also bypass it by hitting the esc button when the page loads,before its redirected to the blackout page,even easier than disabling java active scripting

your welcome

  • 3 votes
Reply#14 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:40 PM EST
Monkey@Keyboard

Why not black out the site. It's an important protest to show that even a site as important as Wikipedia can be blocked by government censors.

I fully support the one day block.

  • 2 votes
Reply#15 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:18 PM EST
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