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Romney is the aggressor in final Florida debate

Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:59 PM EST
politics, us, republicans, mitt-romney, debate, newt-gingrich
David Espo, AP Special Correspondent
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<p>Republican presidential candidates, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, left, stands next to former House Speaker Newt Gingrich before a Republican Presidential debate Monday Jan. 23, 2012, at the University of South Florida in Tampa, Fla. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)</p>

Republican presidential candidates, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, left, stands next to former House Speaker Newt Gingrich before a Republican Presidential debate Monday Jan. 23, 2012, at the University of South Florida in Tampa, Fla. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)

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JACKSONVILLE — An aggressive Mitt Romney repeatedly challenged Republican rival Newt Gingrich Thursday night in the final debate before next week's critical Florida primary, demanding an apology for an ad saying he harbors anti-immigrant sentiments and ridiculing the former House speaker's call to colonize the moon.

"If I had a business executive come to me and say I want to spend a few hundred billion dollars to put a colony on the moon, I'd say, `You're fired,'" Romney declared. That was just one particularly animated clash between two rivals struggling for supremacy in the race to pick an opponent to President Barack Obama in the fall.

Gingrich responded heatedly. "You don't just have to be cheap everywhere. You can actually have priorities to get things done." He said that as speaker of the House he had helped balance the budget while doubling spending on the National Institutes of Health.

The debate was the 19th since the race for the Republican nomination began last year, and the second in four days in the run-up to Tuesday's Florida primary. Opinion polls make the race a close one — slight advantage Romney — with two other contenders, former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and Texas Rep. Ron Paul far behind.

Gingrich's upset victory in the South Carolina primary last week upended the race for the nomination, and Romney in particular can ill-afford a defeat on Tuesday.

While the clashes between Gingrich and Romney dominated the debate, Santorum drew applause from the audience when he called on the two front-runners to stop attacking one another and "focus on the issues."

"Can we set aside that Newt was a member of Congress ... and that Mitt Romney is a wealthy guy?" he said in a tone of exasperation.

There were some moments of levity, including when Paul, 76, was asked whether he would be willing to release his medical records. He said he was, then challenged the other three men on the debate stage to a 25-mile bike race.

He got no takers.

In the days since Romney's loss in South Carolina, he has tried to seize the initiative, playing the aggressor in the Tampa debate and assailing Gingrich in campaign speeches and a TV commercial.

An outside group formed to support Romney has spent more than his own campaign's millions on ads, some of them designed to stop Gingrich's campaign momentum before it is too late to deny him the nomination.

With polls suggesting his South Carolina surge is stalling, Gingrich unleashed a particularly strong attack earlier in the day, much as he lashed out in Iowa when he rose in the polls, only to be knocked back by an onslaught of ads he was unable to counter effectively.

Thursday night's first clash occurred moments after the debate opened, when Gingrich responded to a question by saying Romney was the most anti-immigrant of all four contenders on stage. "That's simply inexcusable," the former Massachusetts governor responded.

"Mr. Speaker, I'm not anti-immigrant. My father was born in Mexico. My wife's father was born in Wales. ... The idea that I'm anti-immigrant is repulsive. Don't use a term like that," he added.

At the same time, Romney noted that Gingrich's campaign had been pressured to stop running a radio ad that called Romney anti-immigrant after Florida Sen. Marco Rubio called on Gingrich to do so.

He called on Gingrich to apologize for the commercial, but got no commitment.

About an hour later, Romney pounced when the topic turned to Gingrich's proposal for a permanent American colony on the moon — an issue of particular interest to engineers and others who live on Florida's famed Space Coast.

The audience erupted in cheers when Romney said he'd fire an executive who came to him with such a costly plan, but he wasn't finished.

He said the former speaker had called for construction of a new Interstate highway in South Carolina, a new VA hospital in northern New Hampshire and widening the port of Jacksonville to accommodate the larger ships that will soon be able to transit the Panama Canal.

"This idea of going state to state and promising people what they want to hear, promising hundreds of billions of dollars to make people happy, that's what got us into trouble in the first place," Romney said.

Gingrich responded that part of campaigning is becoming familiar with local issues, adding, "The port of Jacksonville is going to have to be expanded. I think that's an important thing for a president to know." He went on to refer to completion of an Everglades project that he did not describe, then noted he had worked to expand NIH while he was speaker.

Gingrich raised questions about Romney's wealth and his investments. "I don't know of any American president who's had a Swiss bank account," Gingrich said. Romney replied that his investments were in a blind trust over which he had no control. "There's nothing wrong with that," declared Romney, who has estimated his wealth at as much as $250 million.

Earlier Thursday, it was disclosed that Romney and his wife, Ann Romney, failed to list an unknown amount of investment income from a variety of sources including a Swiss bank account on financial disclosure forms filed last year. His campaign said it was working to correct the omissions.

Gingrich also failed to report income from his 2010 tax return on his financial disclosure. The former Georgia congressman will amend his disclosure to show $252,500 in salary from one of his businesses, spokesman R.C. Hammond said.

Debating in a state with a large and influential Jewish population, Romney and Gingrich vied to stress their support for Israel rather than criticize one another.

And all four men were quick to name prominent officials of Hispanic descent who deserved consideration for the Cabinet. Gingrich trumped the other three, saying, "I've actually thought of Marco Rubio in a slightly more dignified and central role," an evident reference to the vice presidential spot on the ticket.

Immigration was a recurring theme.

Gingrich said Romney was misleading when he ran an ad accusing the former House speaker of once referring to Spanish as "the language of the ghetto." Gingrich claimed he was referring to a multitude of languages, not just Spanish.

Romney initially said, "I doubt it's mine," but moderator Wolf Blitzer read it aloud and pointed out that Romney, at the ad's conclusion, says he approved the message.

As for immigration policy, it was difficult to discern their differences.

Both men said they want to clamp down in illegal immigration, create programs to make sure jobs go only to legal immigrants and deport some of the 11 million men and women in the country unlawfully.

Gingrich has never said how many illegal residents he believes should be deported, preferring to say that the United States is not going to begin rounding up grandmothers and grandfathers who have lived in the United States for years.

Romney agreed that was the case — and Gingrich said that marked a switch in position.

"Our problem is not 11 million grandmothers," Romney said. "Our problem is 11 million people getting jobs that many Americans, legal immigrants would like to have."

Romney and Gingrich also exchanged jabs over investments in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, two mortgage giants that played a role in the national foreclosure crisis that has hit Florida particularly hard.

Gingrich said Romney was making money from investments in funds that were "foreclosing on Floridians."

Romney quickly noted that Gingrich, too, was invested in mutual funds with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He then added that the former House speaker "was a spokesman" for the two. That was a reference to a contract that one of Gingrich's businesses had for consulting services. The firm was paid $300,000 in 2006.

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Associated Press writers Brian Bakst, Kasie Hunt and Steve Peoples contributed to this report.

© 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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DEATHNELL J.

I wonder "WHY" none of these GOP presidential hopefuls have NOTHING good to say about each other?

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:19 PM EST
Ed-2160927

Because there is nothing good to say at all.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:30 PM EST
canary-in-the-coal-mine

The remaining 4 DWARFS (and they are ALL NAMED DOPEY)

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:35 PM EST
pg-974581

leave sneezy and doc alone..they did tag team romney and gingrich toward the end of the debate and i believe neither saw that coming...good job

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:00 PM EST
DEATHNELL J.

DOPEY are only their first names, followed by SNEEZY, DOC......"SLEAZY and SLIMY"!!!

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:04 PM EST
seahawks76

Anybody else find it humorous that the Republicans pride themselves on being a party of "Family Values" and a guy who cheated on wives, divorced one while she was deathly ill and got daughters of one wife to speak bad about another of his wives is a front runner?

Good stuff Mr. Gingrich...good stuff.

  • 9 votes
#1.5 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:31 PM EST
SAtownMytown

seahawks76

Anybody else find it humorous that the Republicans pride themselves on being a party of "Family Values" and a guy who cheated on wives, divorced one while she was deathly ill and got daughters of one wife to speak bad about another of his wives?

Good stuff Mr. Gingrich...good stuff.

^^^^ LOL!!!!

Excellent call !!!!!! LOL!!! Most humorous!!!! <:0 :)

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:34 PM EST
TheTruthOnly

What are you talking about? You must of been listening to King Obama singing and confused it with a debate. I heard the candidates agree and compliment each other more than once. You folks are lost. Oh! Seahawks76, Its funny that you'd comment on family values, when the man whose praises you sing, is the same man who chose to serve his manhood to a 21year old intern while his wife slept upstairs in the peoples house. ROFL!!! NOW THAT is family values....eh?

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:35 PM EST
DEATHNELL J.

The TruthOnly? Which "truth" are you talking about? What's your definition of truth? Do you think those " GOP political dwarfs" are telling the truth? Who's lost? LMFAO! I was once lost, but now I'm found....LOL!

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:40 PM EST
sumgai jim

Great Debate! Never laughed so hard

(note to self: never have a fit of hysterical laughter with a mouth full of popcorn)

  • 8 votes
#1.9 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:41 PM EST
xrayspex

I only got to see part of the debate, but enjoyed seeing Newt slap the taste out of Romney's mouth. I think the next debate might just be the best of all the debates, with (figurative, not to be confused with gun) shots fired in every direction !!

As for the current President, he's giving the speech of his political life tomorrow, with millions of U.S. jobs hanging in the balance and his at the top o' the heap !! No matter who winds up being the Republican nominee, the harshest foe the President has to look out for is the lame economy, if there's no sign of a genuine (as in real, not a bunch of slick manipulation of the numbers) recovery by November, he's going to get voted out as much or more than the (R) will get voted in !!

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:02 AM EST
Silvaria

*Makes a bowl of popcorn and enjoys watching the GOP implode*

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:39 AM EST
seahawks76

TheTruthOnly-

What are you talking about? I'm quite confused by your assumptions. Whose am I exactly praising. All I see in my own posting is a lambasting of Slimy Newt Gingrich...

HUH?

Am I to assume that YOU assume I must love Obama, or I believe Clinton in this case, because the GOP are morons? Man you assume too much, which is making me assume, which I hate doing. Stop it.

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:41 PM EST
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Linda Luke

Romney loved telling everyone how Kennedy had to take out a mortgage to beat him in a Senate race. Was this a needed fact or Ego way off the deep end?

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:43 PM EST
NursLes

I agree.

He's far too smug for my liking. I feel he's too proud. I keep going back to that comment he made to Rick perry about betting $10,000. When you're joking, you say things like "I'll bet you a million bucks".

  • 7 votes
#2.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:59 PM EST
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sumgai jim

I really want to see Mitt get the nom. Just to watch the circus sideshow when the tea-publicans run a (so called) independent candidate against him. Should be entertaining.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:44 PM EST
SAtownMytown

sumgai jim; post#3,

^^ Good call. :)

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:06 PM EST
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sambonner

One of the most boring debates of the 20 or so they have had. Maybe it is the calm before the storm.

I can't think of a single memorable thing any of them said.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:57 PM EST
Mike-1499840

it was boring...but it was easy to see who had the best command...most knowledge of all the issues. Gingrich is well read...and he retains what he reads. His ability to recall dates, numbers etc is phenomenal.

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:00 PM EST
sambonner

I think it's all over for Romney, there's just nothing there. And I don't believe the republican establishment will go through a political campaign with Newt Gingrich leading the ticket. Someone not on the scene yet is going to be the nominee.

  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:04 PM EST
Mike-1499840

The Republicans need to get behind someone who can generate passion and excitement...The only one who has demonstrated that ability so far...is Gingrich.

    #4.3 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:13 PM EST
    sambonner

    The problem for Newt Gingrich is that it is probably impossible for him to be elected. Democrats and independents are not going to vote for him.

    • 4 votes
    #4.4 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:20 PM EST
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    travelingman-1116291

    where's Ron Paul ?????? two are complete fools. Rick's a good guy-to leave it to beaver for me

      Reply#5 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:08 PM EST
      SAtownMytown

      I liked how both of these guys came out swinging and yet both dropped the ball at the same time.

      They all had a, 'I'm not the bad guy, I'm the good guy, I mean I've done some bad things that make me seem like the bad guy, but I'm really the good guy' mentality about them.

      They think they're doing good by defending their actions, instead of just simply admitted them, and that it's getting them the win. (wonk wonk) :)

      • 1 vote
      Reply#6 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:10 PM EST
      Augur Well

      Personally, I just love it when the bottom-feeders, well, feed. LOL!

      • 3 votes
      Reply#7 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:16 PM EST
      tmac-425222

      The Gingrich lecture schtick is growing old. He can't even convince fellow Republicans he's not an embarrassment to them. They are coming out publicly on TV to supply the Dems with political ads against Newt, should he be the nominee.

        Reply#8 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:40 PM EST
        Monkey99

        The best part was when the two multi-millionaires starting slinging s**t at each other, about who made less money. LOL!

        Bain! Freddy Mac! NO, BAIN!...NOOO, FREDDY MAC! LOL!! Like two slugs with athlete's foot, seeing who can go slower!

        ROTFLMAO!!!

        • 3 votes
        Reply#9 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:40 PM EST
        Bluebird Sister

        Newt's a brute that should be mute.

        Mitt's a rich dimwit who's full of bat @!$%#.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#10 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:52 PM EST
        sambonner

        Seen tonight in an after debate online forum

        "Romney fights like a girl"

        Sounds about right to me.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#11 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:55 PM EST
        Bluebird Sister

        They really shouldn't be fighting. They should be debating. Since the republicans can't seem to

        get together on a candidte, they should be showing us the differences between themselves.

        Newt and Mitt are taking up the lions share of the debate and are slinging @!$%# at each others

        past records, which some are available to the public, while they should be focusing on actual

        proposals they are going to employ as president. They both have fallen into the old republican

        habit of offering NO substance, because the base is brainless and wants red meat. This party

        is playing on emotions and ramping up the evilest of intents to create more hate against Obama.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#12 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:15 AM EST
        Monkey99

        That's why they won't have anything but the same tired proposals that ruined the economy in the first place. NO republican has a viable plan to get this country out of recession. We can't cut our way to prosperity. No country can do that. Some of these GOP supporters are using Greece as an example of where they think we're headed under Obama. Greece is using "austerity" measures - cutting their way to prosperity! Look how well that's working!

        Germany is the only Euro country trying to do as we are, except without brainless resistance from a "conservative" (and only when it suits them) party bound and determined to see this country fail. And Germany has the other Euro countries to deal with. We don't. Just the GOP/teas and their Do-Nothing congress.

        No ideas, no solutions. Nothing. That's why the GOP primary debates are hardly worth following, except for comedic value. Nothing more.

        • 2 votes
        #12.1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:09 AM EST
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        Really?-2872425

        Many of the voters in these primaries have stated they made a last minute decision on whom to vote for even after many debates. That's cause the answer is none of the above. The Republican party is splintered and I expect sumgai jim is correct that the conservatives will run an independent if Romney gets the primaries win. He is nothing more than a 1% out of touch smug ex governor that needs the presidency solely for his ego.

        Gingrich on the other hand is so devisive and carries so much baggage I can't see anyone but the hard core Conservatives wanting him. A self proclaimed Reaganite that wasn't even in congress during Reagan term, he epitomizes the morally corrupt conservative family value candidate. I'm afraid Santorum and Ron Paul are not much more than window dressing at this point, just to make it appear that you have more choices. Yep, none of the above wins.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#13 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:19 AM EST
        LilCrow

        I fear the GOP Killing me more then then my cancer. I Really do..what are some of you people thinking? I good man of color trying with all his might and dignity working with a bunch of lamebrains that fear his success, so they say NO NO NO to everything and you still blame him...I have 'NOT' heard these EVIL men mention Bush's name once. If 1 of these nuts win we are DEAD as a human race!

        • 4 votes
        Reply#14 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:23 AM EST
        AmericanMOM-598098

        Enough with the side show Republicans; we want to see the real candidate. The Republican Party can't possibly think that either Newt or Mitt are good candidates for POTUS. Santorum makes you want to sleep. Paul makes alot of sense on some issues, but it's pretty obvious he doesn't have alot of GOP or media support. It's probably because they are afraid he'll mess with their personal agendas too much. The rhetoric between Gingrich and Romney will help to sink them both. This is definitely not the politics of "back in the day". The "same old song and dance" won't work now days. Everything is video recorded and extremely verifiable; especially for public figures. Their records during public service and post public service demonstrates their dedication or lack of dedication to the people of this country. None of them have been the champion of any legislation or won any election on their own. They either belong to the people, the party, or the corporations. The people no longer have candidates, so...

        • 2 votes
        Reply#15 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:28 AM EST
        YuvGot2BKiddng

        YuvGot2BKidding people! I'm gonna say it how it is. Remember.. I'm not a great fan of any of the candidates but I gotta stand up for what it is and the injustice I see happening.

        People wake up!! What the H*ll was SC thinking? I've been watching these debates and tracking on line all the news on these debates and how blind are you guys? I'm not a fan of any of the candidates, but I gotta tell you.. the most REALISTIC of those is Romney. Really? 0% tax? That would be amazing.. but UNREALISTIC. Even 10% and 18.5 percent is unrealistic at this point with our National debt. It is going to take someone who can and WILL reform and delete many of the unncessary programs in favor of the necessary. Things have to be worked back down gradually. Romney understands that and the others apparently live in a dream world. YuvGot2BKidding!

        Bain? Is that really the best they can come up with? I did my own research... ya.. jobs were lost but yes.. over 120K were created and more. An investment company did what they do.. invested. They take risks in helping out smaller companies (and larger) that are in trouble. They try to resolve those problems and if they can't.. ya their gonna get their money back and paid for what they did do. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. That is how it works. I own my own business and have invested and been invested in. Pay attention people. Newt will tell a little truth with the rest of his lies to make the public think that Romeny is the son of satan. YuvGot2BKidding people!

        Is that the best they can come up with? What.. Romney didn't cheat on his wife? Was he a bad father? Alcoholic, drugs, porn, cigarettes... oh.. did he swear? Has he cheated on his tax returns? Newt wants you to believe that he must have done SOMETHING wrong if he isn't willing to show them. Please... If Romney had done anything illegal it would have been addressed in the past tax returns also. No the best you can come up with is putting his dog (safely) on the family car for a vacation. It was probably safer there than most airline compartments for dogs! I know.. shipped my pups all over the country.. AND put my dog safely in dog carriers to travel by car. Really? We have much greater problems in this country to focus on than that. PETA may not say so, but his dog is at the bottom of my list in comparison to the homeless, jobless, medical, taxes, protecting our borders, military defence. YuvGot2BKidding people!

        Tax returns? Here Newt is slamming Romney for not having made public his returns.. HELLO!!! before 2010 they are all public record and the IRS can supply that should they choose. Get up off your butts and go look! He hadn't filed for 2011 yet.. give 'em a brake! I don't file 'til April.. sometimes I get an extention. He's not any less human than the rest of us.. BUT.. Newt didn't make his taxes available until the DAY BEFORE THE DEBATE where he slammed Romney for doing the very same thing that he himself was doing just a day earlier. I don't show my tax returns until they are completed either. Most of America doesn't. Okay.. so how about Obama? He didn't show his birth certificate until what.. 2 years after being elected? He couldn't even prove he was a citizen but he still got elected. Really people.. tax returns for 2011 and the season isn't even over yet? YuvGot2BKidding!

        While we are at it.. Newt has been married 3xs.. cheated on both his first 2 wives.. married both the h*rl*ts he was cavorting with, wanted an open marriage and then has the tenacity to attack the Debate moderator by making it appear that he had no right to bring this to light. COME ON! That is exactly what an abuser does. Makes it appear he is innocent and takes the lime light off what he has done wrong by turning his focus and apparent disgust of an unjust accusation on the person that is accusing. Woman...those of you who have been abused know this pattern. It comes in many degrees and Newt showed his true color that night. He feels its okay to bring Romney's dog into the equation but not his affairs? REALLY!!?? Those of you who have been cheated on know the lies, the manipulation, the deceit, the anger turned at YOU when you confront them, and these lies are not little white lies but well thought out, schemed and disgusting.. not to mention hurtful. Yes.. I know. So this is not a matter of saying.. "oops... I cheated.. but that's my personal life." His person life is going to be a very big part of the presidency. I personally don't want that kind of a man to represent what the US is about. By electing him it will send a disturbing message to all of our allies and our enemies. You ought to read what 'regular' folks from other countries say about us here in the US... And they're RIGHT!

        I don't want someone who lies, manipulates, can't stick things out through thick and thin with a wife that becomes ill..let alone the second wife that becomes ill... wants an open marriage.. what happen to electing a person that personifies, exemplifies what we want this country to be an example of? Newt is NOT it. Okay.. so his moral and ethical standing is certainly in question.. by his actions of lies, deceit, manipulation and immorality.. so is his christian beliefs and strengths. When someone lies.. they are a lier. When someone cheats, they are a cheater, when someone steals, they are a thief. These kinds of behavior are NOT Christian no matter what church you belong to.

        Even the majority of the Repulicans already in office are preparing for a fight against Newt should he win the primary in Florida. This makes me sick! People.. really take a look at what he did as speaker. Don't be fooled. He is as dishonest as they come and a master manipulator of the public, especially those who won't REALLY take time to research and just act as sheep, following the one who has the best silver tongue, making promises he CAN NOT KEEP because they are unrealistically impossible.

        Ron Paul.. to say the least is probably the most unrealistic... Santorum... sorry.. has not got what it takes. Don't underestimate Romney's ability. Ya.. he may be Mormon and to some that is a weekness.. but at the same time.. it's a HUGE strength. I know many mormons, having traveled and lived in a variety of places. They are strong in family, in their beliefs, in justice and in honesty.. but they won't step aside if there's an injustice taking place. If Romeny was as crooked as Newt is trying to get everyone to believe, he would not be capable of living the laws of his church and would be kicked out. So take a look as who is morally stronger, ethically stronger and whose values will become the foundation for this country again. With strong values and a strong foundation, we can rebuild this country and bring the people back to where we use to be. Isn't it time we ALL open our eyes and stop voting for the one who tells us what we WANT to hear, but what is realistic?

        FLORIDA! Don't make the same mistake S.C. did. Be smarter than that!

        • 1 vote
        Reply#16 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:33 AM EST
        sambonner

        Romney ran an unethical business at Bain Capital. That is why he's being called Gekko 2012.

        It may have been legal and acceptable because of the laws created by bought politicians, but it was unethical and that will become clear to the American people before November, should Romney get that far (not likely).

        • 4 votes
        #16.1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:59 AM EST
        Kevin-458252

        I am taking a side bet that Ron Paul takes Florida. (BELIEVE ME... I HAVE NO LOVE FOR PAUL!!!!!)

        Once that happens, we are REALLY going to see the GOP/TP implode on themselves because the GOP/TP AND their presidential candidates would be in a fatal four-way match: Santorum winning Iowa, Romney being victorious in New Hampshire, and the onslaught of South Carolina being won by Gingrich.

        To tell you the truth, these GOP/TP debates and primaries/caucuses are a cross between comedy and a Roman gladiatorial match at the coliseum... I LMAO each time they draw blood on each other.

        • 2 votes
        #16.2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:47 AM EST
        Monkey99

        I just wish they'd use sharp implements.

        Their wit and "intelligence" just isn't cutting it (pun intended).

        • 1 vote
        #16.3 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:15 AM EST
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        Bluebird Sister

        If lies really could send someone to hell, Newt would go and Mitt as well.

        They're having a race to see who lies the most, they're neck and neck and they both should roast.

        If telling lies really made noses grow, they'd both have huge noses that they couldn't blow.

        These guys are not heroes, they're both total zeros

        and either could boast about lying the most.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#17 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:50 AM EST
        sambonner

        Romney's two years of tax returns are out. He paid 13.9% in taxes on 21.7 million of income for 2010.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#18 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:54 AM EST
        Bluebird Sister

        Well that is good news. I knew it would be lower than the 15% he claimed. What a liar.

        Bring on the birth certificate and the rest of the tax returns. PS. and the deleted record

        of Romney care and everything else about the governorship of Mitt Romney. What else could

        one expect from a man named Romney. He has the word MONEY in his last name!

        • 2 votes
        #18.1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:16 AM EST
        sambonner

        Well that is good news. I knew it would be lower than the 15% he claimed.

        To be fair, he did pay 15.4 for the other year he released tonight, which I believe was 2009.

        • 1 vote
        #18.2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:22 AM EST
        Monkey99

        Is that including the money he has stashed in the Caymans?

        • 3 votes
        #18.3 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:17 AM EST
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        Bluebird Sister

        Romney pays such a low tax rate, maybe we should call this Romneygate.

        Socking it away in a bank overseas, Patriotic American? or millionaire sleeze?

        And he thinks he should be president? Go back to your mansion you greedy 1%.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#19 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:24 AM EST
        Lebowsky

        After watching the debate last night 2 things came to mind. First, I thought it was a shame that the candidates did not have clubs (that can be read multiple ways), except for Paul, they are all ready to go to war somewhere and everywhere. Cuba looks like an easy target this time of year (pandering?).

        Second, was it me or was the audience bored? Compared to the SC debates, the FL audience was very sedate. It may have just been the networks muting, but there was a lack of any boisterous responses, applause seemed muffled or simply polite and talking points that have in the past brought ovations, the response was merely ho-hum. In all fairness I thought the loudest applause was for the end and in 5 minutes, the place was empty, Even B Williams commented on that.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#20 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:04 AM EST
        AmericanMOM-598098

        Could it be that the "applause" sign broke after the SC debates? During the SC debates, it didn't exactly look like the applause and standing ovation were honest and for real. Plants in the audience maybe? When the audience began to applaud Ron Paul's statement about not being the world's police and antagonizing Iran into a hostile situation, they cut it off fast. These are some slimy people who are not beyond "fixing" things to get what they want. Paul seems to be the most honest, but they don't seem to want the truth to be told. When he made the statement about Newt's fiasco as speaker, they cut him off pretty fast.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#21 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:32 AM EST
        Augur Well

        Yep. Political theater is all it is. And pretty poor 'theater' at that. sarc/

        • 3 votes
        #21.1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:55 AM EST
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        Dean Moriarty

        Paul really looked good in that debate. He is the only one of the bunch that has earned my trust and support. .

        • 2 votes
        Reply#22 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:41 AM EST
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