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Navy: 8 Calif.-based sailors discharged for hazing

Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:40 PM EST
us-news, politics, us, hazing, sailors, san-diego-based
Associated Press

FILE - In this Jan. 4, 2005 file photo, the USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD 6) steams off the coast of Sumatra, Indonesia while conducting humanitarian assistance, Eight sailors have been discharged from the Navy after video surfaced of a hazing incident aboard, the USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD 6), a San Diego-based amphibious assault ship that included the choking of a fellow sailor, a Navy spokesman said Saturday, Feb. 4, 2012. (AP Photo/Wong Maye-e, File)

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SAN DIEGO — Eight sailors have been discharged from the Navy after a hazing incident aboard a San Diego-based amphibious assault ship that was captured on video and included the choking of a fellow sailor, a Navy spokesman said Saturday.

The eight received general discharges following allegations they assaulted and choked the sailor aboard the ship, the Bonhomme Richard, as part of a rite to initiate the sailor into a new department, said Lt. Commander David McKinney.

McKinney said the assault, which took place Jan. 17 in the ship's berthing area, was videotaped, and the victim treated for injuries.

"He was choked out, evidently blacked out and had bruising," said McKinney.

The injuries were not serious, but the sailor sought treatment and reported the incident to his superiors, leading to the discharges, McKinney said.

The sailors, all from the junior ranks, made statements to investigators that amounted to confessions, McKinney said. They called the incident just roughhousing but the Navy considered it hazing, he said.

"When an incident like this happens, it's got to be taken care of," McKinney said. "It goes contrary to our core values."

One of the sailors seen in the video, Charlie Davis, 20, of Dallas, told ABC10 News that the attack was just "play wrestling" and "boys being boys," and he and others had been through the same thing earlier in the day.

"A couple of the guys wrestled me down and had fun with me and then shook my hand and welcomed me aboard," he said.

Davis, who had in the Navy for just five months, told the TV station he's disappointed in himself, but believes the Navy's zero-tolerance hazing policy is too harsh.

"I buy into it for drugs and alcohol: that's zero-tolerance," said Davis. "But play wrestling with no malicious intent and for eight people's lives to be destroyed? You've got to be kidding me."

The sailors could have appealed their captain's discharge decision, but none have done so, McKinney said.

The Navy did not release the names of the discharged sailors or the victim.

The action follows recent congressional hearings on hazing in the military, including the case of Lance Cpl. Harry Lew, who shot himself in a foxhole in Afghanistan last year after he was beaten, forced to do repeated pushups and fed mouthfuls of sand.

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FLYNAVY1

Having been on a flight deck, there is waaaaay more to this story. If you have eight persons on one, more than likely the eight were trying to get the one to understand something. The eight receiving a general discharge most likely did go over the line, and the chain of command had no recourse than to throw the book at them. I'd put money on it though that the one was not pulling his weight, or was acting outside of what the team needed for operational efficiency.

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Reply#1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:04 AM EST
Lee-479062

Fly, You might be right but probably not. Were that the case, it is likely someone would have mentioned it to the investigators. We had all sorts of rituals (getting you dolphins, crossing the dateline, etc.), but none involved choking a guy out. These guys appear to be rookies who have no knowledge of the traditions.

    #1.1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:18 AM EST
    TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

    A general discharge isn't going to destroy their lives. They got off very light. Choking him out is going too far. The right amount of pressure in the wrong spot could have ended in tragedy. They got off very,very,very,very,light IMO.

      #1.2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 7:49 AM EST
      FLYNAVY1

      Lee.... In full agreement, we did have all sorts of "Initiations", and I'll bethe first to say that most if not all were pretty childish, and detractions to operational objectives. Hell one of the kids in my squadron ended up with a broken arm from having his crow "tacked" on and was on light duty for six weeks.

      I also agree that the kids potentially got off very light with an AD. All that being said, I think that there is much more to this incident.

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      #1.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:18 AM EST
      Lee-479062

      Fly, we will never know. Broken arm, Huh? Usually just a few holes.

      What befuddles me is how dumb the new kids have to be to record it.

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      #1.4 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:46 AM EST
      FLYNAVY1

      Broken arm... yes. One of the Jet Mechs had a 3/4" drive socket in his hand, and the kid on the receiving end was required to hold his arm on a workbench. Something had to give.

      The kids these days have just as many ways of getting in trouble as we did growing up. The difference is that they weren't around to understand Watergate, and that what you record can and will be used against you. If you are going to do something questionable, you have to work the problem backwards from what bad things could happen, and decide if it is still worth attempting.

      • 2 votes
      #1.5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:58 AM EST
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      roc1960

      Could this have been part of the crossing the equator ritual?

        Reply#2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:04 AM EST
        FLYNAVY1

        Doubtful. I'm guessing that the "One" was not pulling his weight, or by actions/inactions causing the other eight to have to endure some other punishment, and they were getting their point across that they didn't appreciate it.

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        #2.1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:21 AM EST
        roc1960

        USAF used blanket party

          #2.2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:56 AM EST
          TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

          No way was this a King Neptune thing. There would have been more injuries to others as well,lol.

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          #2.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 10:49 AM EST
          FLYNAVY1

          I haven't checked in awhile.... are they still doing the polliwog/Shellback initiations?

            #2.4 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 11:41 AM EST
            Kearney Outlaw

            They are last time I talked to a buddy of mine a few years ago.

            I became a shellback in '77 and it was strictly voluntary--but I will say the people four people I know who chose not to take part were treated badly in later months. One was repeatedly denied a promotion and I had no problem with that. Crossing the line is a very old tradition and anyone who has a problem with tradition is going to have a problem in the Navy.

              #2.5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:35 PM EST
              roc1960

              I just watched a documentary PBS on carrier life. The tradition still holds but with a whole list of rules etc. Some more than likely in place due to women now serving on carriers. It was pointed out very clearly that participation was strictly voluntary and no hazing of those who refused. You could almost see the sadness in the faces of the old Master Chiefs.

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              #2.6 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:07 PM EST
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              Lee-479062

              I would suspect they are, but I doubt it is sanctioned any longer.

                Reply#3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 11:51 AM EST
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