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Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:02 AM EST
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Chris Kahn, AP Energy Writer
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<p>In this Feb. 16, 2012 photo, a customer fills up at an Irving Oil gas station, in Berlin, Vt. Gasoline prices have never been higher at this time of year. At $3.51 a gallon, gas is up 23 percent since Jan. 1. And experts say motorists could pay a record $4.25 a gallon by late April. (AP Photo/Toby Talbot)</p>

In this Feb. 16, 2012 photo, a customer fills up at an Irving Oil gas station, in Berlin, Vt. Gasoline prices have never been higher at this time of year. At $3.51 a gallon, gas is up 23 percent since Jan. 1. And experts say motorists could pay a record $4.25 a gallon by late April. (AP Photo/Toby Talbot)

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NEW YORK — Gasoline prices have never been higher this time of the year.

At $3.53 a gallon, prices are already up 25 cents since Jan. 1. And experts say they could reach a record $4.25 a gallon by late April.

"You're going to see a lot more staycations this year," says Michael Lynch, president of Strategic Energy & Economic Research. "When the price gets anywhere near $4, you really see people react."

Already, W. Howard Coudle, a retired machinist from Crestwood, Mo., has seen his monthly gasoline bill rise to $80 from about $60 in December. The closest service station is selling regular for $3.39 per gallon, the highest he's ever seen.

"I guess we're going to have to drive less, consolidate all our errands into one trip," Coudle says. "It's just oppressive."

The surge in gas prices follows an increase in the price of oil.

Oil around the world is priced differently. Brent crude from the North Sea is a proxy for the foreign oil that's imported by U.S. refineries and turned into gasoline and other fuels. Its price has risen 11 percent so far this year, to around $119 a barrel, because of tensions with Iran, a cold snap in Europe and rising demand from developing nations. West Texas Intermediate, used to price oil produced in the U.S., is up 4 percent to around $103 a barrel. That's 19 percent higher than a year earlier.

Higher gas prices could hurt consumer spending and curtail the recent improvement in the U.S. economy.

A 25-cent jump in gasoline prices, if sustained over a year, would cost the economy about $35 billion. That's only 0.2 percent of the total U.S. economy, but economists say it's a meaningful amount, especially at a time when growth is only so-so. The economy grew 2.8 percent in the fourth quarter, a rate considered modest following a recession.

Gas prices are already an issue in the presidential campaign. Republican candidate Newt Gingrich spoke several times this week about opening up more federal land to oil and gas drilling as a path toward U.S. energy independence — and lower pump prices.

"Our goals should be to get gasoline to $2.50 or less so that working families can actually get to work and retired families can travel," Gingrich said at a campaign event in Los Angeles Thursday.

High oil and gas prices now set the stage for even sharper increases at the pump because gas typically rises in March and April.

Every spring, refiners suspend operations to switch the type of gasoline they make. Supplies of wintertime gas are sold off before March, when refineries need to start making a new formula of gasoline that's required in the summer.

That can mean less supply for service stations, resulting in higher gas prices. And summertime gasoline is more expensive to make. The government mandates that it contain less butane and other cheap organic compounds because they contribute to the formation of ground-level ozone, a primary constituent in smog. That means more oil, a costlier component, is needed to produce each gallon.

The Oil Price Information Service predicts that gasoline could peak at $4.25 a gallon by the end of April. That would top the record of $4.11 in July 2008.

The national average for gasoline began the year at $3.28 a gallon. The average price for February so far is $3.49 a gallon. That's up from $3.17 a gallon last February, a record at the time. Back in 2007, before the recession hit, the average for February was $2.25 a gallon.

Prices are higher on the East and West Coasts, where gasoline has risen above $3.70 in Connecticut, New York, Washington D.C. and California. This isn't unusual — states on the coasts charge some of the nation's highest gas taxes.

High gas prices put a strain on many people's budgets.

Americans spent 8.4 percent of their household income on gasoline last year when gas averaged an all-time high of $3.51 a gallon. That's double the percentage a decade ago. They could pay even more this year, even though demand is the lowest in 11 years as people drive fewer miles in more efficient cars, says Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst at OPIS.

Gary Goodman commutes into Manhattan from Edgewater, N.J., because gas, tolls and parking make the cost of driving prohibitive.

Goodman, an accountant, commutes by bus. He uses his car mostly for trips to the grocery store or for occasional nights out. He says he has no choice but to eat the higher gas costs.

"I already drive as little as possible," he says.

Paul Dales, a senior economist at Capital Economics says it would take a bigger shift in the global economy — say, a deep recession in Europe or a slowdown in Asia's manufacturing — for pump prices to drop noticeably. Either event would slow oil demand, depressing prices.

But experts expect demand to keep rising. World oil demand is expected to increase by another 1.5 percent to 89.25 million barrels a day in 2012, according to the Energy Information Administration.

In the short term, tensions with Iran are feeding fears that oil supplies could be blocked.

The U.S. and Europe are tightening economic sanctions against Iran over what the West believes is Iran's attempt to build a nuclear bomb. World leaders fear Israel may be planning a strike against Iran, the world's third largest oil exporter.

In response, Iran has threatened to withhold its own oil deliveries and to block the Strait of Hormuz, a waterway along its coastline through which one-fifth of the world's oil flows.

On Friday, an international banking clearinghouse crucial to Iran's oil sales said it is prepared to discontinue services to Iranian financial institutions being targeted by the EU and U.S. sanctions. That could ratchet up the pressure on Iran, but also send oil prices soaring.

The price of Brent crude fell 53 cents on Friday to $119.58. WTI gained 93 cents to $103.24.

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Reporter Beth Fouhy in Atlanta contributed to this report.

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Marshall James

devaluation of our dollar???

inflation?? no....there is no inflation...everything is fine......

  • 4 votes
#1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:30 AM EST
TooManyPuppies

has more to do with speculation. our dollar hasnt been devalued as much as right wingers go on about. IT IS ACTUALLY WORTH MORE THAN WHEN OBAMA TOOK OFFICE.

goo.gl/Xed1P <----- SEEE THIS IS CALLED FACTS, AND SOURCES TO BACK UP MY COMMENT.
end of 2008 it was .65 euro per dollar, now it is .76 euro per dollar. (A 17% INCREASE IN VALUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OBAMA MADE YOUR MONEY WORTH MORE THAN IT WAS UNDER BUSH, SOMEHOW I DOUBT YOU WILL THANK HIM)

And really your comment and mine displace the differences on how right wingers govern and how progressive govern.

See a right winger looks at a situation like rising gas prices, and they think to themselves "I feel like this must have been caused by the dems printing dollars like crazy crashing the dollar, so I will claim this is what happened" and then you blurt it out.

Now a progressive doesnt like to look stupid, unlike the right. So he says "how do I feel this happened and then thinks, WHAT THE HECK IT DOESNT MATTER HOW I FEEL... HOW DID THIS HAPPEN' and he goes looking for evidence.

THings like when the world comes out of recession, demand goes up and so does prices.

ALso as supplies diminish, prices go up.

and as oil nations look like they are heading to war or threaten to cut off oil, prices go up.

SUre prices go up when the dollar crashes, but as a progressive I have to see if that is actually true before blurting it out.

goo.gl/Xed1P

and as we can see it is NOT TRUE AT ALL(which is usual for most right wing comments with zero sources)

It has more to do with oil speculators

money.cnn.com/2011/05/24/markets/oil_price_speculation/index.htm

and the economy improving

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/02/16/bloomberg_articlesLZH90Y6S972D01-LZHXE.DTL

then your pulled from your ass idea that it is the crash of the dollar,

PPS
for a bonus

www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

INFALTION WAS WORSE UNDER BUSH AS WELL, WE ACTUALLY DEFLATED UNDER OBAMA BUT DONT TELL THE RIGHT, THEY ARE ALLERGIC TO FACTS.

inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/currentinflation.asp

More sources, maybe the right will learn to use them. I can teach my dog to not @!$%# on teh rug, I can teach the right wing to google.

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:09 AM EST
mountainmike-1199289

TooManyPuppies:

I share your concern about the devaluation of the dollar and inflation. Much of that came from Alan Greenspan pumping out trillions of dollars of paper money to fuel the white collar crime wave we are calling the recession. Then Ben Bernacke was pumpinig out trillions of dollars of paper money to bail out the white collar criminals.

However....

The Real Reason Gas Prices Are Soaring
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/03/28/the-real-reason-gas-prices-are-soaring/

Dan Dicker, who has spent nearly three decades in the oil market, has a profoundly disturbing explanation of why the price of oil, and the gasoline that comes from the crude product, has risen so dramatically in recent months. It turns out, Dicker says, that the price has nothing to do with supply and demand for oil. It's the financial market for oil, filled with both professional speculators and amateur investors betting on poorly understood oil exchange-traded funds, who have ratcheted up the price of gas to such sky high levels.

"There is no supply issue going on here - what you have is the perception of the possibility of a supply issue," Dicker says. "A whole bunch of people are pouring money into an oil market trying to take advantage of what they perceive to be a real risk in supply. It's a marketplace that I argue should not be allowed to be wagered on like a stock or bond."

The last time this happened was in 2010 when a speculation "feeding frenzy" happened over the news of Libyan oil fields being shut down due to the Libyan civil war. Then we quickly found out that OPEC had increased production to compensate for Libya's 2-4 percent of the world's oil supply, mostly going to Europe and the UK. Then at the end of the fiscal quarter, big oil posted near record breaking profits. In short, the real reason for the spike in oil and gas prices was speculation and price gouging.

Big oil corporations are exporting huge amounts of oil to other countries where they make huge profits. They are also sitting on federal lands in the Gulf of Mexico and not drilling at those sites. All of this looks like market manipulation through manipulation of oil supply.

We need to ban speculation in oil and set up harsh punishments for proven price gouging.

  • 9 votes
#1.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 AM EST
tesla013

I am intrigued as to how many "real reasons" will be listed here fore all is said and done.

    #1.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:53 AM EST
    TooManyPuppies

    tesla. at least some of us can back our claims up with links, unlike mister james here.

    • 4 votes
    #1.4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:02 PM EST
    mountainmike-1199289

    Price gouging and speculation are the real reasons behind the 2008, 2010 and current oil and gas prices spike. It only gets confusing when Republicans start protecting big oil and come up will lots of other pseudo reasons as a diversion to protect big oil and Wall Street.

    The real reason just around the corner may be an Israeli attack on Iran after the election. There are rumors that this is the current plan. America might be drug into another Mideast quagmire through the back door by Israel. Iran's oil would go off line and that would compromise the Gulf of Harmuz for tanker traffic.

    • 7 votes
    #1.5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:08 PM EST
    tesla013

    What credibility do those links have when someone can provide one that says the exact opposite? Will people never learn they are being played from both sides?

    • 1 vote
    #1.6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:26 PM EST
    Minan59

    We need to ban speculation in oil and set up harsh punishments for proven price gouging.

    Agreed, the sooner the better.

    • 4 votes
    #1.7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:33 PM EST
    Covah

    Tax cuts in action! Watch the rich "invest" their tax cut savings in oil futures, driving up price for the rest of us. Solution? Let's cut taxes for the rich even more!

    Of course the Iran/Israel brinkmanship game has nothing to do with gas price. Every time Ahmedinejad opens his mouth oil price goes up, and so does profits for Iran, profits returned to the people in social service so they will support the government. And Israel goes waa waa waa give me more military assistance, another few billion US taxpayer dollars...

    Watch the American public get fleeced like the fools they are.

    • 6 votes
    #1.8 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:44 PM EST
    Chuck1968

    Wall Street gamblers keep upping the price. Wouldnt surprise me at all to find out Koch bros were helping that right along. Punishment for not approving their stupid Keystone pipeline.

    and NO we are not being played by both sides. But I know you'll choose stay ignorant.
    its best to go back to the sources, Saudis told us under Bush there was an over supply and no reason to increase it to lower prices. They were correct.

    • 4 votes
    #1.9 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:44 PM EST
    VetteLover

    By my study, most of all of you are right. I believe that there is no single cause of for the gas screwing we are recieving but a combination of "D" - All the Above.

    And, its going to get worse, way worse! The tiny bit of money saved by Obama's payroll tax savings for us peasants will certainly be decimated by our energy cost.

    Folks, I think we are all in big trouble! Can't we just fire ALL the current politicians and pick out 500 or so new citizens out of the phone book?? I doubt we could do worse!

    • 3 votes
    #1.10 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:57 PM EST
    mountainmike-1199289

    Tesla:

    Everyone do their homework and provide links that are chosen by a decision of the quality of the information and sources. For example, my quote from a link came from a veteran speculator who is obviously alienated with the new fad of oil speculation. I have quoted from Matt Taibbi, a critically acclaimed writer on fiscal issues. Engersol's article about 60 percent of oil prices being speculation has been widely cited internationally.

    Am I misinterpreting what you are saying? It sounds like the issue is not being able to refute what those sources are saying, so the next step is take issue with citing sources.

    As opposed to all of the one and two liners we typically see at Newsvine.

    • 6 votes
    #1.11 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:10 PM EST
    xrayspex

    The reason speculators are able to make a mint on wholesale oil prices is because our "leaders" have failed to make domestic energy production anything more than an election year sound bite. I would like to see limits on speculation, especially from non-oil industry outsiders (the make a fast buck no matter what the cost to the nation folks) !!

    Democrats pushing conservation only energy policies are just as wrong as Republicans who want to do the whole "Drill, baby, drill" thing without proper precautions and contingency plans in place before drilling. We absolutely MUST do more to secure our own sources of oil, and allowing either oil industry hacks or environmental extremists to dictate the debate is a WRONG ANSWER !!!

    One thing is certain, if the economy tanks again, like it has after every round of $4 a gallon gas (last year's swoon was thankfully short, thanks to quickly receding gas prices), all bets are off on the reelection of President Obama, something he would be wise to keep in mind !!

    • 1 vote
    #1.12 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:19 PM EST
    RebootIt

    "leaders" have failed to make domestic energy production anything more than an election year sound bite.

    Not true. In Obama's first election year he told the RNC in their own house that they needed to develop green energy technology in their own states. They did not want to hear this and you could see on camera how states reps from states like Tenessee were disgusted with having to innovate. I remember Obama saying it does not matter if you think green energy is a fad or not that the rest of the world is already sold on it and that's what they're buying.

    • 2 votes
    #1.13 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:43 PM EST
    xrayspex

    You can't IMPOSE green energy on the nation, and when you try to, it DOES NOTHING to solve the energy needs of the present!! There's nothing more true than the FACT that the energy policies of the past two Presidential administrations have FAILED, and you only need to fill your car up to see the TRUTH in that !!! Very few single legislative acts have done more damage to the economy than the Alternative Energy Act of 2007, and continuing down the FAILURE HIGHWAY of it is SHEER FOLLY !!

    I have always supported conservation of natural resources and limits on toxic emissions, but common sense has to enter into the equation somewhere. The fuel of the present is oil, and we absolutely have to have realistic policies concerning the development of our own sources of it and ability to refine it !!

    • 1 vote
    #1.14 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:07 PM EST
    MoCowgirl-1193719

    We must do everything possible to end our nation's and the world's dependence on fossil fuels. The cost in dollars is bad enough, but the cost in blood is higher and completely unacceptable.

    • 3 votes
    #1.15 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:16 PM EST
    rose-231178

    Agree MoCowgirl, we fight wars now based on availability of resources and profits from, and whose currency will be top dog. Not for democracy or any of the other crap being thrown out there. Recently, with Isreal, I wonder if we might be on the verge of fighting for religious dogma.

    Personally, I am for a little protectionism.

    • 1 vote
    #1.16 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:52 PM EST
    Xerxes-727854

    Oil price gouging under the Obama administration! I'm shocked, schocked! <sarc>

      #1.17 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:36 PM EST
      Smith Cassidy

      I have always supported conservation of natural resources and limits on toxic emissions, but common sense has to enter into the equation somewhere.

      If common sense was anywhere to be found in the energy conversation, we'd be using less and less fossil fuels each year as opposed to more and more.

      • 2 votes
      #1.18 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:39 PM EST
      Smith Cassidy

      Xerxes-727854
      Oil price gouging under the Obama administration! I'm shocked, schocked!

      So looking at the record profits oil companies having been setting quarter after quarter for many years now, your conclusion this is Obama's fault?

      • 2 votes
      #1.19 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:40 PM EST
      Xerxes-727854

      Smith,

      So looking at the record profits oil companies having been setting quarter after quarter for many years now, your conclusion this is Obama's fault?

      Obama has been president for more than three years now. If he has not put a stop to the price gouging by these evil oil companies, then he is now part of the problem.

        #1.20 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:48 PM EST
        mstanley2265

        sliding in...the only ones that can Tax oil companies or change the tax rate is .....Congress...Fly that flag awhile...Congres is the Tax and Spend authority and power of the United States.

        • 3 votes
        #1.21 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:07 PM EST
        Smith Cassidy

        Obama has been president for more than three years now. If he has not put a stop to the price gouging by these evil oil companies, then he is now part of the problem.

        The only way to break the oil stranglehold on the world is to stop using it. No president can tell the oil companies what to do.

        • 3 votes
        #1.22 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:51 PM EST
        RebootIt

        Obama has been president for more than three years now. If he has not put a stop to the price gouging by these evil oil companies, then he is now part of the problem.

        What do you want him to do? Wave a magic wand? He's the president not a dictator of the world. He can't end oil investments which is the real cause of the price surge not demand. The problem with most of you right wingers is you have no real concept of how this world actualy works. My mom a republican to the core could not list the 3 branches of government if her life depended on it. Yet she is 100% certain Obama is the cause of all our problems.

        • 3 votes
        #1.23 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:59 PM EST
        tesla013

        I am saying that the the information folks have access to is nothing more than propaganda. His link says this Her link says the exact opposite and strangely enough both links coincide with each presenters political leanings. Even the sources themselves have been shown to be corrupted. The other problem is most folks, regardless of what they may say, stop looking once they have found what they were looking for in the first place. Google actually tailors itself to your searches, so if you are constantly parking on conservative or liberal leaning material that is all Google is eventually going to offer you without further query on the part of the user. Doesn't anyone find it odd that there is so much information out there that is neatly tailored to the political arguments of the day? That one can so readily find information almost perfectly suited to support ones claims, especially if those claims are right along party lines? IMSHO the truth is hardly ever EVERYTHING one needs it to be.

          #1.24 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST
          RebootIt

          That's why I watch CSPAN, watch political debates and come to places like Newsvine and reddit. Surround yourself with enough non bias and it helps to weed through the crap.

          • 1 vote
          #1.25 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:08 AM EST
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          mstanley2265

          Iran is a Huge Excuse to raise the price of oil and switching to 'summer' blends for gasoline ..nothing more.

          If President Obama releases oil from the Strategic Oil Reserves, the price will go back down.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:32 AM EST
          Smith Cassidy

          The price will go down...temporarily.

          • 2 votes
          #2.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:38 AM EST
          mstanley2265

          true, but temp is better than a constant price increase. The gas companies do this all the time when it comes spring, especially right before Easter and Mother's day when they Know people will travel. :) I keep writing, Gas Companies have Computers and can model for every year what they have to refine.

          • 4 votes
          #2.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:41 AM EST
          Ron Christman

          If President Obama releases oil from the Strategic Oil Reserves, the price will go back down.

          Do you have supporting documentation to verify your statement? Can you state how much the price will drop? For how long?

          In reading the article I couldn't get a clear picture of how much of the increase in price was because of demand, speculation, or fear. I wish we had more factual info to work with so we could really identify the root cause(es).

            #2.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:00 AM EST
            TooManyPuppies

            the last time he released some the prices went down.

            what we need to do is reign in on the speculators which take in oil sales, and then pay ships to keep it out at sea until the prices rise enough. WE can fix a lot of this with the micro trade taxes that Obama wants.

            Also our refinery capacity is a joke. WE didnt used to get the price swings from summer to winter mixes, but the oil companies ILLEGALLY colluded under the chevron memo where they intentionally closed down refineries and DID NOT Look to build new ones to create artificial scarcity like the diamond groups did when they formed debeers. Now the right will claim it was "environmental wackos" that prevented us from getting new refineries, but that ignores the fact that Bush was going to give them closed bases for free. Bases that as federal land, are free from state regulations and oversight. AND THEY ALL, EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM REFUSED. Free land, fast track to get permits, exceptions from state environmental regulations AND THEY ALL REFUSED.

            www.consumerwatchdog.org/newsrelease/internal-memos-show-oil-companies-intentionally-limited-refining-capacity-drive-gasoline

            money.cnn.com/2011/05/24/markets/oil_price_speculation/index.htm

            www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0501refinery01.html

            • 4 votes
            #2.4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:18 AM EST
            wwaugh

            Time for the Corporate Welfare to go. $3.54 in La Pine Or. OH heck I forgot about the Pledge to Grover, can not raise taxes on the " Job Creators".

            • 5 votes
            #2.5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:12 PM EST
            mountainmike-1199289

            Prices will go down when big oil realizes that if they keep going they will break their profits record at the end of a fiscal quarter and the news will bring back and intensify anti price gouging efforts. Then Wall Street's pattern is intensified speculation for short periods of time and then letting up to avoid pressure for them to be regulated.

            • 5 votes
            #2.6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:12 PM EST
            Covah

            If we had cars that burned natural gas we could thumb our noses at high gas prices.

            • 2 votes
            #2.7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:46 PM EST
            mountainmike-1199289

            Covah:

            Unless big oil can monopolize natural gas, they will tell all of their employees/legislators to fight against it. Natural gas is the competition for them.

            The first commercial plant just opened up for genetically altered algae generating ethanol and biodiesel. There are DAILY harvests of fuel. They will need to bring the cost down further and develop the infrastructure to make it competitive.

            • 5 votes
            #2.8 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:14 PM EST
            Covah

            The first commercial plant just opened up for genetically altered algae generating ethanol and biodiesel.

            Great! But you can buy a CNG car RIGHT NOW that burns natural gas piped ALREADY into your home for cooking and heat. Furthermore American car companies build CNG cars RIGHT NOW which are NOT sold in the US. You gotta ask yourself why.

            • 1 vote
            #2.9 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:11 PM EST
            mountainmike-1199289

            Isn't that the same type of flexible fuel car needed for 80 and 90 percent ethanol fuels? Its all about metal rings and seals because the fuel burns hotter than regular gasoline. Brazil has a GM plant producing these cars. GM already knows how to set it up.

            • 2 votes
            #2.10 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:02 PM EST
            Covah

            Isn't that the same type of flexible fuel car needed for 80 and 90 percent ethanol fuels?

            No. Flex fuel does not include CNG. There are no bi-fuel cars sold in the US, although US auto makers produce them overseas. CNG cars are often bi-fuel, having the option to burn gasoline for extended range.

            • 1 vote
            #2.11 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:51 PM EST
            Ron Christman

            I live in the heart of the Marcellus Shale natural gas range and there is a huge amount of drilling going on. There is one natural gas station in Pittsburgh 50 miles to our north but nothing down here. Our county commissioners have even talked with several companies about building a station but to no avail. We've even talked of a marketing plan that would have natural gas stations along Interstate 79 for bus and truck fleets as a demonstration zone but as yet no takers. You would think they would want to do anything they could to increase their market but I guess they are happy with what they are getting already. It's just too easy and too profitable keeping us tied to oil.

            • 1 vote
            #2.12 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:18 PM EST
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            GoldenGateMami_Susi

            $3.61 -- Treasure Island, FL

            $3.69 -- Tampa, FL

            • 2 votes
            Reply#3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:33 AM EST
            mstanley2265

            $3.42 here in western KY..I ♥ Gasbuddy.com...especially when travelling. :)

            • 3 votes
            #3.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:40 AM EST
            GoldenGateMami_Susi

            I do too :)

            It was 3.15/gallon here during the holidays.

            I have a sneaking ugly feeling we'll be paying @$5 if not over by the time summer rolls around. Lord help us if there are any bad hurricanes in the Gulf....

            • 3 votes
            #3.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:47 AM EST
            mstanley2265

            Congress has dithered again in getting regulations in place for the trading and speculation in oil...Whether the FTC finds any 'culprits' in the price deal is kind of mote if there aren't any sanctions they can do as with what happened in the housing market. No laws, no one going to jail ....just fines.

            My interest is in China's reserves. They could be manipulating the availability and the price too. Any interference on their part could push the price higher.

            • 5 votes
            #3.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:58 AM EST
            mountainmike-1199289

            The House Democrats have introduced legislation, H.R. 964: Federal Price Gouging Prevention Act.

            http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-964

            It is in committee discussion.

            My bet is that Republicans will obstruct this bill because they will try to protect big oil.

            • 8 votes
            #3.4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:28 AM EST
            Shosyn

            $4.05 gallon here in Riverside California yesterday..

            • 3 votes
            #3.5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:28 PM EST
            Covah

            If oil companies were nationalized their profits would be returned to the people as cash rebates as in Alaska or in lower taxes or better services.

            • 4 votes
            #3.6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:47 PM EST
            mountainmike-1199289

            Covah:

            I think the oil is nationalized in China and they are paying about half of what we are paying for gas.

            The problem is HOW would you ever nationalize the oil industry. There is a long list of legislators that have taken money from big oil. Republicans are basically owned by the Koch brothers/big oil.

            • 3 votes
            #3.7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:16 PM EST
            Covah

            The problem is HOW would you ever nationalize the oil industry.

            You buy their stock with tax money. That is how you nationalize them. "There is a long list of legislators that have taken money from big oil. Republicans are basically owned by... big oil." That is the problem. We are nothing but suckers for our gutless and corrupt government.

            • 2 votes
            #3.8 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:16 PM EST
            Xerxes-727854

            Covah,

            We are nothing but suckers for our gutless and corrupt government.

            Headed by Obama, of course.

              #3.9 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:37 PM EST
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              AlphaDogReporter

              Gingrich is an idiot. Oil production and leasing is already at record levels here.

              http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/31/307946/drill-baby-drill-failure-obama-growth-in-oil-rigs-high-prices/

              The GOP loves to claim that production and prices are somehow related, when in fact they have very little to do with each other as far as pump prices.

              Worldwide demand and speculation are what drive prices up.

              • 10 votes
              Reply#4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:35 AM EST
              mhr83

              A few things about that article. Barrack Obama has absolutely nothing to do with the rig count in the US. You can build more rigs but they are useless if you can't find the people to run them.

              Peak oil should have happened in the 1970's, and then in the early 2000's. It didn't. The reason it didn't is because it assumes there will not be any real technological advances. Enter shale gas/oil, horizontal wells, and multi-stage fracturing and voila peak oil is again disproved.

              As far as access to the offshore, or leases in general. The author only mentioned access to oil offshore. He didn't say anything about recoverable, or more importantly economically recoverable. After all, if you can't make money doing it then your project isn't going to run very long. This huge error really shows how little people writing about the oil industry actually know about the industry. I mean that is a sophemore level class.

              But to focus on your point, oil production here may be at record levels but when that only accounts for 5.9 out of the 23 million barrels we use what does that matter? I agree, that worldwide demand is driving price, but I wouldn't post using thinkprogress as a source. They do so little research on the industry that its embarassing.

              • 3 votes
              #4.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:02 AM EST
              mountainmike-1199289

              Obama has already made a statement that big oil needs to drill on land leased in the Gulf, saying that this oil belongs to the American people so the drilling should proceed to boost supply and bring down gas prices. About one third of the leases are not being used currently for drilling. They seem to be sitting on the leases to manipulate supply and drive up prices. Their excuse will always be cost effectiveness studies, but the non use of leased land and export of oil are both price gouging tactics.

              • 7 votes
              #4.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:31 AM EST
              wwaugh

              Mt. If the oil belongs to the American People, why does it cost the same as imports.

              • 1 vote
              #4.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:14 PM EST
              TooManyPuppies

              Peak oil should have happened in the 1970's, and then in the early 2000's. It didn't. The reason it didn't is because it assumes there will not be any real technological advances. Enter shale gas/oil, horizontal wells, and multi-stage fracturing and voila peak oil is again disproved.

              LOL right wing dribble.

              Oil production in the US DID peak in the 70s.
              sweet crude peaks in the 2000s
              oil with or without shales and sands is peaking now.
              right wingers need to learn about exponentials.
              plus more and more expensive energy sources dont negate the effects of the peak of CHEAP ENERGY SOURCES.

              en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak_theory
              www.energybulletin.net/node/8102

              www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY If I could get right winger to watch one video it would be this one

              www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/11/15/83857/186 why shales and sands wont save us.

              • 3 votes
              #4.4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:15 PM EST
              TooManyPuppies

              our oil isnt socialized, we used to charge royalties to drill for our oil, but it is totally sold on teh world market.(clinton got rid of royalies when oil was $10 a barrel, bush recontinued the plan when oil hit $100 in 2006. He set them up with 5 year royalty free contracts when they were making record profits!!!!
              (www.nytimes.com/2006/02/14/business/14oil.html?pagewanted=all WE DO NOT OWN OUR OIL)

              Drilling locally CAN lower prices some,..sometimes and not a lot by causing bottle necks in the distribution chain. Oil coming to local refineries faster than they can get rid of the gas they refine.

              But with our refineries near max capacity as it is, the bottle necks are mostly there already.

              New projections, buried in the Interior Department's just-published budget plan, anticipate that the government will let companies pump about $65 billion worth of oil and natural gas from federal territory over the next five years without paying any royalties to the government

              • 3 votes
              #4.5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:22 PM EST
              mhr83

              Too, given that the Permian Basin produces sour crude currently used in the energy mix why would it not be considered for Peak oil theory?

              http://www.chron.com/business/energy/article/N-American-oil-output-could-top-40-year-old-peak-2193837.php

              Look at where we should be on Hubbert's bell curve. We aren't there. Notice how we will be hitting a new high in the next few years. You can see it below with the increase in production. There is nothing right or left wing about engineering fact.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Crude_Oil_Production_versus_Hubbert_Curve.png

              Also, practically no reservoir declines fit an exponential path. You need to learn about hyperbolic and harmonic reservoir decline models. While you are at it, you should check out pressure maintenance, secondary recovery, and tertiary recovery.

              As for your sources:

              I don't understand why the energybulletin is only considering light sweet crude oil (What about sweet heavy production), or what about sour crude production that we have been refining for the last 70 years?

              As for the oil drum, you can disprove Hubbles theory with their own graphs. Hubble's theory focused on a set decline of resources following a production peak. The theory includes both a peak and the resulting decline. You can't have one without the other. But again below you can see the oil drum's big mistake. Taking field decline to be exponential when it most certainly on average is not.

              Scalability in time —even where there is a vast resource, liquid production flows from substitutes are slow to ramp up. As a result, in the case of exponentially declining oil production not replaced by new conventional oil sources, substitutes will not make up shortfalls incurred in the short-term.

              I think what is most telling about the Oil Drum is when you look at the staff bios. You see two geologists (who tend to know very little about oil production). And a Mining professor from Missouri Rolla. There are no petroleum engineers on staff. How could a website calling itself the oil drum and writing about oil production not have a petroleum engineer on staff?

              • 1 vote
              #4.6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:13 PM EST
              mountainmike-1199289

              Waugh

              Mt. If the oil belongs to the American People, why does it cost the same as imports.

              Good question. I hope you know that one of our largest exports is oil. Why? Big oil can get higher profits offshore. That blows away the argument that Obama is restricting drilling and causing the gas price increase. Its called PRICE GOUGING / MARKET MANIPULATION by big oil, something that is allegedly illegal.

              mhr:

              Good points. We are in a time period when it is to big oils benefit to manipulate prices upward to the point that shale/tar/sand oil will be competitive. They are heavily invested in shale oil, as are the Koch brothers. I think I saw the number $5 a gallon. I'm sure they have had professional presentations in board rooms by experts with state of the art large screen displays reducing all of this down to numbers.

              • 4 votes
              #4.7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:25 PM EST
              mhr83

              Now with the youtube video.

              The first couple parts seemed to be specifically talking about population growth. No surprise there. In the third part I am not sure why he focused on a reserves number from 1977. Oil reserves have increased since then (both due to price and technology). To focus on such an old number is pointless. It ignores 40 years of technological change. I mean, he figured out that we ran out of oil in 2000, that would seem to be wrong. And he was focused entirely on maintaining 7% population growth through to 2100. Who says that would be beneficial? The rest of part 4 focused on coal.

              He focused on people saying things like "at current consumption rates we have enough coal for 500 years" How is that a lie, that is the whole point of the quote, we assumed current rate of consumption and can use that rate for this long. Its not a lie, anyone with any math skill can say "do I think consumption will go up or down in the coming years?"

              Part 5 he continues to focus on old reserve estimated (By the way did you know that the oil shale in Colorado contains in place oil reserves comparable to Saudi Arabia). He also lastly focused on ANWAR, but makes not mention of oil shale, pre-salt, etc. He closes part 5 saying that we have consumed 75% of recoverable oil. Thing is he never defines recoverable, it has changed since this lecture, and it has chaged drastically.

              Part 6 I noticed that his data ended in the mid 1990's do you think things have changed since then? He has to find a consenus of total recoverable oil from geology papers? Really, a consensus among worldwide experts trying to predict the technological change in the industry and he doesn't get a petroleum engineers opinion? He continually ignores the fact that you can recover more from existing fields and don't have to "discover" all replacements.

              The last bits seem to focus on population growth.

              I guess what is wrong with this video is the lack of facts. He says he is focused on the simple math. But what about this is simple math? There are more than one input and output. He doesn't go into technological change, change in growth rates (do you think consumption has grown at the required 7% the last few years?) He missed all of petroleum engineering, and had the same errors that Hubbert made. Again for the theory to be valid you have to fit the range not just a single data point.

                #4.8 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:36 PM EST
                mhr83

                Puppies,

                Clinton did not get rid of federal oil royalties. What you are referring to is the Royalty Relief Program. If oil tanks they don't have to pay royalties. But if oil prices are above the price floor they do. Prices are well above the price floor. Therefore royalties are being paid.

                Here from your article,

                "Executives at some companies, including Exxon Mobil, said they had already stopped claiming royalty relief because they knew market prices had exceeded the government's price triggers."

                And of course you have this mistake by Clinton

                "The biggest reason is that the Clinton administration, apparently worried about the continued lack of interest in new drilling, waived the price triggers for all leases awarded in 1998 and 1999."

                Yes we do own our oil. In many cases individual mineral rights owners actually own it.

                  #4.9 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:44 PM EST
                  mhr83

                  Mike,

                  I think prices will continue to rise (however they won't rise as much do to the ridiculously high level of activity in the industry currently). I am not sure if oil sands are earmarked for gasoline production or for something else.

                    #4.10 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:45 PM EST
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                    Smith Cassidy

                    Unlike abortion, homosexuality, and same-sex marriages, Oil really is the source of many great and terrible problems in the United States and throughout the world.

                    Get. Off. Oil.

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:36 AM EST
                    Jack Orion

                    With the economy getting better, big oil thinks they can price gouge again.

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:43 AM EST
                    FredC

                    and the GOP hopes this price gouging will cause a decrease in the economic recovery! It's the only weapon they have control of. (All of their candidates are unelectable!) They have it all planned out! SOB's!

                    • 5 votes
                    #6.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:29 AM EST
                    mountainmike-1199289

                    From "The Great American Bubble Machine, by Matt Taibbi

                    Re the 2008 oil and gas price spike:

                    So what caused the huge spike in oil prices? Take a wild guess. Obviously Goldman had help — there were other players in the physical commodities market — but the root cause had almost everything to do with the behavior of a few powerful actors determined to turn the once-solid market into a speculative casino. Goldman did it by persuading pension funds and other large institutional investors to invest in oil futures — agreeing to buy oil at a certain price on a fixed date. The push transformed oil from a physical commodity, rigidly subject to supply and demand, into something to bet on, like a stock. Between 2003 and 2008, the amount of speculative money in commodities grew from $13 billion to $317 billion, an increase of 2,300 percent. By 2008, a barrel of oil was traded 27 times, on average, before it was actually delivered and consumed.

                    As is so often the case, there had been a Depression-era law in place designed specifically to prevent this sort of thing. The commodities market was designed in large part to help farmers: A grower concerned about future price drops could enter into a contract to sell his corn at a certain price for delivery later on, which made him worry less about building up stores of his crop. When no one was buying corn, the farmer could sell to a middleman known as a "traditional speculator," who would store the grain and sell it later, when demand returned. That way, someone was always there to buy from the farmer, even when the market temporarily had no need for his crops.

                    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405#ixzz1mkhWyTwX

                    This is essentially what needs to be revisited to undo the damage Goldman Sachs did. Either oil trading goes back to the way it was before the white collar criminal slobs changed things or oil speculation is just flat out BANNED.

                    Goldman Sach should not have been bailed out. They should have been forced into bankruptcy like AIG. Why? As Taibbi's article clearly underscores, GS has been the innovator and pace setter for white collar crime since the Great Depression. America would be a much safer place financial with this corporate parasite shut down.

                    • 5 votes
                    #6.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:43 AM EST
                    Covah

                    GOP hopes this price gouging will cause a decrease in the economic recovery!

                    What a thought.

                    • 3 votes
                    #6.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:50 PM EST
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                    nobsartist

                    I sure am glad that we invaded Iraq in order to STABILIZE OIL PRICES. Face it, this is just another scam forced on us by the bush crime family. George the coward put this deal together for that crook nixon while he was eisenhowers v.p. He (with his crook enablers like his trweasonist father, "prescott") concocted this whole scheme back in the 50's. That is why the bush crime family is so intimate with the saudi enablers. Kissy face, holding hands, they have done the bidding of thier muslim masters. They planned OPEC and the oil embargo of 1973, they predicted gas would go to $1.00 per gallon in 1980, and did so in 1977. Gas prices were $1.00 per gallon until george, the coke tooting draft evader became president and then gas prices started going up out of control. You really cannot think that gas prices are "market driven"?

                    What we need is for PRESIDENT OBAMA to nationalize all energy companies and stop the raiding of AMERICANS bank accounts. He needs to eliminate the health insurance industry and take away all aid for corporate farming.

                    The crook nixon forced wage and price controls on America in the 70's. It is time for PRESIDENT OBAMA to step up and do what is best for the 99% and not the 1%.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:44 AM EST
                    mountainmike-1199289

                    If we get drug into a war with Iran by Israel, who do you want in the white house? That will definitely impact gas and oil prices as it would shut down the Gulf of Harmuz and possibly close down the Iranian oil fields.

                    Think of Rick Santorum in the White House giving us speech after speech against birth control, abortion, homosexual marriages, etc... as gas prices increase to $10 a gallon. Gingrich would probably be one of the speculators making profits hand over fist in trading oil on the stock market. I could ask what would Romney do, but it would be more of an issue of what his handlers would decide to do for him. If he goes for McCain's advice, it would be a "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" beach boy impersonation duet.

                    • 4 votes
                    #7.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:30 PM EST
                    Covah

                    sure am glad that we invaded Iraq in order to STABILIZE OIL PRICES.

                    Iraq has the second largest oil reserves, after Saudi Arabia. It is important to keep those reserves OFF the market to maintain high profits.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:52 PM EST
                    Reply
                    garrisonbye

                    Where are all the "green jobs?" I thought Mr Obama said we didn't need oil anymore. Oh, that was before Solyndra went bankrupt.

                      #8 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:44 AM EST
                      greg81082-4115372

                      "Every failure is an oppurtunity."...Will Powers

                      • 1 vote
                      #8.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:52 AM EST
                      radar015

                      Only a few years ago, the total energy produced in this country from all renewable sources was less than 1%. Today, just wind alone produces 5%. That is great progess. But we can do better. In Denmark, they are up to over 25% from wind. Imagine if we put the same effort into Green Energy that we put into gearing up for WWII! Winning the war over fossil fuels is as important if not more important than winning the war against the Nazis.

                      • 2 votes
                      #8.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:54 AM EST
                      mountainmike-1199289

                      In contrast to the Republican obstruction? Every failure is an opportunity for Obama bashing?

                      • 4 votes
                      #8.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:45 AM EST
                      garrisonbye

                      Millions of new green jobs? Didn't Mr Carter say he would decrease dependency on foreign oil? Didn't Obama promise the same thing? Change we can count on?

                        #8.4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:47 PM EST
                        mountainmike-1199289

                        In contrast to total Republican obstruction bought and paid for by big oil/ALEC/Koch brothers.

                        • 4 votes
                        #8.5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:28 PM EST
                        garrisonbye

                        total Republican obstruction

                        Did Mr Obama really think he would get total cooperation from the other party when he made those big promises? His party had a huge majority when the promises were made. Change we count on? Are they obstructionists or balance of power set by the constitution. In our history have both parties ever agreed on anything? Change is much more difficult than the young Obama realized. If change were easy, then any dictator could impose his beliefs on the rest of us. Kinda like Obama and Pelosi attempted to do. Thank God for the Constitution. Mr Obama cannot force me to buy health insurance or pay for contraception or abortion pills against my religon.

                          #8.6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:51 PM EST
                          are you crazy?-1425777

                          Mr Obama cannot force me to buy.....or pay for contraception or abortion pills against my religon.- please provide more information on this statement, this ought to be good

                          Did Mr Obama really think he would get total cooperation from the other party when he made those big promises?- unlike how the Democrats mistakenly went with some of bush bonehead ideas I believe your President Obama was mistaken in thinking the the republicans would vote in the countries best interest. History shows they have not voted in America's best interest in 30 years.

                          • 3 votes
                          #8.7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:11 PM EST
                          garrisonbye

                          History shows they have not voted in America's best interest in 30 years.

                          And we need Mr Obama and Ms Pelosi to tell us what is in our best interests. That's what dictators do.

                            #8.8 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:30 PM EST
                            are you crazy?-1425777

                            And say prey tell, what have your President and Ms Pelosi pushed that you would consider to be not in the best interest of "most" Americans? Then would can discuss bush, reagan, gingrich or boner policies if you would care to.

                            • 3 votes
                            #8.9 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:26 PM EST
                            garrisonbye

                            And say prey tell, what have your President and Ms Pelosi pushed that you would consider to be not in the best interest of "most" Americans?

                            How about forcing me to buy health insurance and violating the religous freedom of Catholic organizations by pushing their agenda on them even when their agenda is against their religion. Mr Obama is telling Catholics what is in their best interests. Why should Catholics be forced to pay for the abortion pill? They forbid abortion!! Ms Pelosi, after her meeting with the Pope, told Mr Stupak that this would not be in the health care bill. She later told us we had to pass it to see what was in it. Well, it passed and now we're seeing what is in it.

                              #8.10 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:58 PM EST
                              rose-231178

                              garrison,

                              mandatory purchase of health insurance?-that was one of the over 200 and something proposals put into the health care by Republicans. Funny how it is the most hated and most brought up.

                              • 1 vote
                              #8.11 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:32 PM EST
                              garrisonbye

                              Rose, you forgot. Republicans voted against the bill. They were told to sit in the back of the bus. Nancy said we had to pass it to see what was in it.

                                #8.12 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:42 PM EST
                                rose-231178

                                So they did, after putting in the most controversial part.

                                • 1 vote
                                #8.13 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:27 PM EST
                                are you crazy?-1425777

                                garrisonbye-not sure where you are getting your information from (fox) but there is aid on insurance if you can't afford it my poor man and in regards to "employers" having to provide full coverage including contraceptives (are you a papal employer?) again it is finally up to the the insurance company to offer if the church decides to opt out- how are you paying for it? Are you the Pope? If you are the Pope then you got some 'xplaining to do Lucy.

                                • 4 votes
                                #8.14 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:29 PM EST
                                garrisonbye

                                not sure where you are getting your information from (fox)

                                Are you doubting my information that Republicans voted against Obamacare?

                                  #8.15 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:13 PM EST
                                  Reply
                                  radar015

                                  We don't have to live like this. Powering our rolling stock with fossil fuels is not the only way to get around. Renewable energy can accomplish the exact same thing and we can produce our own clean energy right here. The reason that we don't is not because we don't know how, but because the moguls of Big Oil control our elected officials. Eventually we will get off this stuff, but that won't happen until the stuff runs out and we don't have any choice. When that happens not even the moguls will have anything to say about it. If we run out of this stuff too abruptly, it will cause a catastrophe not just with skyrocketing prices, much worse than that it could result in the decimation of the human population. This addiction is not sustainable.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  Reply#9 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 AM EST
                                  rose-231178

                                  radar, do not worry. The technology is there, just not the will.

                                  To much money to be made yet.

                                  Bottom line.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #9.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:28 PM EST
                                  Reply
                                  Darlene Bays

                                  The green jobs are with the shovel ready jobs.........either in China or maybe on another planet.  

                                    Reply#10 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 AM EST
                                    tesla013

                                    More good economic news along with continued rising food and utility prices as reported here just a couple of days ago. Perhaps "they" have changed the meaning of "economic recovery" while I was away.

                                      Reply#11 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:50 AM EST
                                      mountainmike-1199289

                                      Anyone interested in an instant bail out of Main Street with no taxpayer money involved? Ban oil and food speculation by Wall Street. For example, oil speculation can account for as much as a 60 percent increase of the price of gas at the pump. They make more from that sales at the pump than the people that produced the oil! A ban would instantly cut the price at the pump in half. Similarly, Wall Street is speculating in wheat, rice, corn, sugar, coffee, etc... and prices at the grocery store could be substantially reduced.

                                      Its time to confront the fact that a small group of greedy white collar criminals should not be indulged in causing nation wide inflation for all Americans. Speculation traditional was never meant to be another Wall Street scam for cheating America. See my post above.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #11.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:00 PM EST
                                      tesla013

                                      I already have Mike LONG AGO. What it is time for is to quit with the empty bitching and actually do something about it.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #11.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:27 PM EST
                                      mountainmike-1199289

                                      tesla

                                      Not enough people are on the band wagon, so it isn't empty bitching. But you are right that it is time for action.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #11.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:31 PM EST
                                      tesla013

                                      I did not wait for the wagon to even come round. Waiting on others to take the risks for you is not an honorable position to take.

                                        #11.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:21 AM EST
                                        Reply
                                        CreepingJesus

                                        Damn you, President Obama, for raising gas prices. /s

                                        • 4 votes
                                        Reply#12 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:56 AM EST
                                        mountainmike-1199289

                                        CreepingJesus

                                        Yeah! And we have bad weather today, and its all Obooboo's fault. (sarc)

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #12.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:47 AM EST
                                        tyler-1708225

                                        What a change of opinion since the days when it was all Bush's fault.

                                          #12.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:36 PM EST
                                          Reply
                                          Bill K. NY

                                          It's Obama's fault. Obama's EPA has shut down refineries and refused to allow new ones to be built. Next it will be electricity as Obama's EPA shuts down older power plants. Obama is systematically destroying America while portraying himself as promoting American manufacturing. What can be manufactured without inexpensive and abundant energy?

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#13 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:07 AM EST
                                          mstanley2265

                                          Bill NYC ...I searched for permits for new refineries, there was only one and the application was 10 years old. The Fact is that because of the recession, refineries shut down or where sold, in 2009 and 2010. It didn't have anything to do with EPA regulations though this did:

                                          Texas regulators rejected Houston's plea for a public hearing before renewing the air pollution permit of the city's largest refinery for 10 years Wednesday, illustrating what some say are flaws in state environmental law.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #13.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:40 AM EST
                                          mountainmike-1199289

                                          ‘Perhaps 60% of today’s oil price is pure speculation’

                                          http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=8878&context=va

                                          How today’s oil prices are really determined is done by a process so opaque only a handful of major oil trading banks such as Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley have any idea who is buying and who selling oil futures or derivative contracts that set physical oil prices in this strange new world of “paper oil.”

                                          With the development of unregulated international derivatives trading in oil futures over the past decade or more, the way has opened for the present speculative bubble in oil prices.

                                          Since the advent of oil futures trading and the two major London and New York oil futures contracts, control of oil prices has left OPEC and gone to Wall Street. It is a classic case of the “tail that wags the dog.”

                                          A June 2006 US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report on “The Role of Market Speculation in rising oil and gas prices,” noted, “…there is substantial evidence supporting the conclusion that the large amount of speculation in the current market has significantly increased prices.”

                                          What the Senate committee staff documented in the report was a gaping loophole in US Government regulation of oil derivatives trading so huge a herd of elephants could walk through it. That seems precisely what they have been doing in ramping oil prices through the roof in recent months.

                                          The Senate report was ignored in the media and in the Congress.

                                          The report pointed out that the Commodity Futures Trading Trading Commission, a financial futures regulator, had been mandated by Congress to ensure that prices on the futures market reflect the laws of supply and demand rather than manipulative practices or excessive speculation. The US Commodity Exchange Act (CEA) states, “Excessive speculation in any commodity under contracts of sale of such commodity for future delivery . . . causing sudden or unreasonable fluctuations or unwarranted changes in the price of such commodity, is an undue and unnecessary burden on interstate commerce in such commodity.”

                                          Further, the CEA directs the CFTC to establish such trading limits “as the Commission finds are necessary to diminish, eliminate, or prevent such burden.” Where is the CFTC now that we need such limits?

                                          They seem to have deliberately walked away from their mandated oversight responsibilities in the world’s most important traded commodity, oil.

                                          This is a 2006 article, and the CFTC is still walking away from their mandated oversight. The Dodd-Frank Bill mandates that any influence on the market and prices other than the natural supply and demand be eliminated.

                                          Any random accident that all of the commissioners on the CFTC are ex Wall Street executives. Then there is this issue:

                                          Lobbyist In Charge Of ‘Trying To Kill’ Financial Reform Hired By GOP Chair To Oversee Financial Regulations

                                          A few days ago, incoming Agriculture Chairman Rep. Frank Lucas (R-OK) announced the hire of Ryan McKee as the senior staffer to oversee the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. McKee is currently a lobbyistworking for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s division dedicated to deregulating complex derivatives products. In her new role working for Lucas, McKee will be liaising with regulators in charge of implementing new rules under the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law to overhaul the over-the-counter derivatives market.

                                          And here is Eric Cantor in his own words summarizing the Republican sabotage of regulations:

                                          Cantor Promises Oil Speculators That GOP Will Block Financial Regulations

                                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXJR7eZ_jQ

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #13.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:24 PM EST
                                          rose-231178

                                          Mountain, thanks for your links. Many times I click on them and see more stories, so I click on them, and so on and so on, than I remember that it started with your link on newsvine and have to work my way back. I can be gone for hours.:)

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #13.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:58 PM EST
                                          FredC

                                          Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent there many leases in the Gulf of Mexico that have not been acted on by the oil companies? Why do we need to open more territory?

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #13.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:23 AM EST
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                                          Justice man

                                          Some of you may not be able to follow what I am about to say, but try to stay on the page, my page. Oil is no good. I dries up, you need to ship it from far distances to get it, and where we get it from has a constant civil unrest. The conclusion to this situation is SIMPLE.

                                          Stage 1: Those with the means to do so, start up companies specializing in renewable energies. I figure you guys have the money and the means, so why not go down in history as the savior of a country.

                                          Stage 2: Any oil needed to lubricate the technology we produce, we get from our own country. I figure by this time after stage 1 is booming, we will have plenty of oil to last us until we find different ways of anti friction.

                                          Stage 3: Up sell. For those countries that cannot compete with ours, sell the means to produce or buy the same technology that we use. This stage is the final stage.

                                          Kiss method it the true method when separating ourselves from unrest and added difficulties due to unrest. We should be ashamed as humans, that we cannot philosophically and logically figure it out. We the people of America, fought for our Independence and freedom from oppression. Why as Americans now do we accept it from other countries? Other countries own us with the amount of integration we let them have. I'm not joking! If we weaken to the point where we can't economically recover, but the other countries can easily, then we have a major problem on our hands. I don't think we should even do business with other countries that are not our friends.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          Reply#14 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:46 AM EST
                                          mountainmike-1199289

                                          JusticeMan

                                          There is a new development in wind power. Instead of wing turbines, they have invented "wind stalks." They look like large, metalic blads of grass 20 to 30 feet tall and move with the wind. The movement generates electricity. They can be packed into the same areas where wind turbines are located and generate a lot more electricity with basically no impact on the wild life or habitat.

                                          They now genetically altered algae that can take in emissions from electricity power plants, convert the carbon into either ethanol or biodiesel, and the waste product is clean air and water.

                                          China is currently winning the race for green jobs and green tech. THAT MUST CHANGE. We need to aggressively compete for the jobs and the energy of the future instead of letting us slip and slide into dependency on "made in China."

                                          • 5 votes
                                          #14.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:54 AM EST
                                          rose-231178

                                          Thanks mountain, just went and checked it out. What a fabulous idea. There are so many more ways other than fossil fuels. Just the oil/gas guys lobby so hard against it.

                                          My husband has been researching all week into making our hot water heater solar. We think he can do it for a couple hundred dollars from our tax return. (just to note, I and my husband both work, claim zero and have extra taken out so that we don't pay. We only get a few hundred bucks back., and I do not mind those people that get thousands back when they can barely survive. I do mind corporations getting millions back. Sorry, off my own topic)

                                          If I could put these wind stalks in my yard, I would.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #14.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:11 PM EST
                                          mstanley2265

                                          another member here on the Vine built his own solar panels...here's the article

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #14.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:23 PM EST
                                          rose-231178

                                          Thanks much for the link.

                                          Saved for hubby to look at.

                                            #14.4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:36 PM EST
                                            rose-231178

                                            mstanley, I really hope that I do not tick you off but I cannot resist and very off topic

                                            "Small cell, large cell, size makes no difference, they all generate about the same voltage".

                                            Shall I put aspirin between my knees tonight?

                                            Feel free to delete if I offend.

                                              #14.5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:44 PM EST
                                              mstanley2265

                                              Depends on the level of power you've estimated you can get... LOL

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #14.6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:47 PM EST
                                              rose-231178

                                              Cannot comment. Would be embarrassed. :)

                                              My Mother warned me of the silent ones. Been married 32 years, together 34.

                                              Oh My!

                                              Time to go to "Sleep".

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #14.7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:08 PM EST
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                                              rational thought-3748544

                                              Gas prices are already an issue in the presidential campaign. Republican candidate Newt Gingrich spoke several times this week about opening up more federal land to oil and gas drilling as a path toward U.S. energy independence — and lower pump prices.

                                              What a shortsighted fool. And what will we do when that runs out in 10-15 years? Go deeper? Go further out on to the continental shelf and into the Gulf? And what will we do when that runs out as the world demand increases exponentially? Are we just going to sit around and complain about the high price of gasoline and keep our collective fingers crossed that the oil companies will save the day by finding an endless supply of oil? That would be folly.

                                              Fossil fuels (oil) are a finite resource. Here's a shocker. As the demand for oil increases around the world and as the supply of oil draws down the price of oil will skyrocket. That's a fact and nothing can be done about it unless we begin now to dramatically change the way in which we use energy and spend the resources necessary to find alternate sources of renewable and green energy.

                                              This is not a political issue. It's a matter of survival for our children and future generations.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              Reply#15 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:01 PM EST
                                              mhr83

                                              Everything on the earth is finite. The question is how long will supplies last. Just because the overall supply of something is finite doesn't mean that we will have problems in the next 100 years.

                                                #15.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:05 PM EST
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                                                critiqal1

                                                BIG OIL. Who knew it could become a greedy corporate whore after all we've done for it? Hmmm..

                                                Suppression. That is what BIG OIL is doing to our infrastructure. They pay off the patent officers

                                                bury energy conserving inventions and non-oil dependent alternatives. The patent applications

                                                become lost, buried, stolen, MIA. This isn't what I think is happening, this is what IS happening.

                                                People are bought and sold at discount prices these days, corruption is rampant. The 50 cent

                                                postage stamp is really going to be great, what next ... IDEA ... make every road, street,

                                                highway, byway, path, parkway, causeway and avenue a TOLL road. Won't that be nice?

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#16 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:07 PM EST
                                                mhr83

                                                So let me get this straight, in the 70s and 80s they bought a bunch of patents to keep renewables behind? Wouldn't the life of those patents be up at this point (including those form the early 90s) meaning that technology is accessible to all. That would seem to poke holes in your theory.

                                                  #16.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:03 PM EST
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                                                  BLOGER-486140

                                                  Blame the oil speculators. This is pure supply and demand capitalism, anyone complaining is a Marxist.

                                                  Nonetheless our Republican friends will blame this on the president.

                                                  Everyone even Republicans hate capitalism when it hits them personally in their pocket.

                                                  • 3 votes
                                                  Reply#17 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:09 PM EST
                                                  Xerxes-727854

                                                  Bloger,

                                                  Confused with your post above which contradict each other.

                                                  1) The recent spike in oil prices is due to greedy oil speculators whom the Obama administration have, so far, refused to prosecute.

                                                  2) It is simply the free market at work and not the fault of the oil speculators.

                                                  Pick only one.

                                                    #17.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:00 PM EST
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                                                    Fifth Horseman

                                                    Illinois is oil producing State. There is a large pool of oil under most of Crook County Illinois. People have oil permits to drill for the oil, except that Northern Illinois is off limits because of money changing hands. Maybe the new people in charge of Crook County Illinois will allow it to go thru.

                                                      Reply#18 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:33 PM EST
                                                      RobDebo89

                                                      Its because Bush and Cheney are taking care of their buddies in Big Oil.....oh wait, my mistake, thats' what the narrative was 4 years ago.....

                                                      This has nothing to do with the president or his policies.

                                                      There, my conversion to liberalism is complete.

                                                        Reply#19 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:34 PM EST
                                                        East Bound and Down

                                                        Unemployment numbers up, must be the fault of the GOP House for not creating jobs. Unemployment goes down, its all because if obama. Gas is high, its the previous administrations fault, because Bush is still holding the strings somehow. You people have some twisted logic

                                                        • 2 votes
                                                        Reply#20 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:19 PM EST
                                                        jsco

                                                        Simple solution! Go get the oil we have right here in the good old U S of A & Canada - Alaska, Montana, The Dakota's, Canada & build pipelines to get it to market. It's right here in our backyard & we don't want to touch it - Do we Prez??? (We can't build the Keystone Pipeline because of some Environmentalist?? Whoopee, let those few rule the many - rdiculous) We have enough oil to become truely independent of the middle east & just forget Iran & all those others over there. We're sitting here biting our nails now, wondering what that idiot in Iran is going to do & all we need to do is collect our own oil & never have to worry about him again! Why should we allow one country, or one government, to tie us up entirely when we have the raw material & the know how to totally stop him in his tracks without firing a shot? We become oil indepenent & we don't have to worry about ony other country shutting the spigot. We would just need to worry about how much would be left over that we could export to some other country. Wouldn't that be different???

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        Reply#21 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:10 PM EST
                                                        Jack Orion

                                                        Simple solution! Go get the oil we have right here in the good old U S of A & Canada

                                                        Do you really think that will cause prices to go lower? The big oil corporations will just sell it to other countries, and the prices will keep going up. Meanwhile our environment will get worse.

                                                        • 6 votes
                                                        #21.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:20 PM EST
                                                        Rick-1036582

                                                        jsco, Americas largest export is Gasoline, Deisel, and related products. Google it. no Its not a supply problem, its a GREED problem!!!

                                                        • 4 votes
                                                        #21.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:17 AM EST
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                                                        Rick-1036582

                                                        Oil company corporate GREED!!!! Economy KILLER!!!

                                                        • 2 votes
                                                        Reply#22 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:13 AM EST
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