Lab-grown hamburger to be served this fall

Sounds pretty cool. And, to answer some questions in the article : no, the vegetarian versions are not good enough. In fact, they are dreadful. If the veggie versions were "as good" then people would definitely buy them.

If a healthier, less expensive, environmentally friendly, and as tasty alternativeis offered I would. For quite a while they [food industry] have been using textured pollack to make fake crab meat, maybe Ersatz filet mignon is in our future. I think that is [if ever] way in the future.

Textured pollock would be fine, especially kosher, but if you read the label, it's 99% potato starch! It's a double lie!! It's denatured potato flour masquerading as textured pollock masquerading as 'crab meat'. ILLEGAL!!

well done herman.!!! Fools for fools always easy prey!!

EA you try hard to be cleaver, but I don't see it.

Tough luck, VIewer, so it is potato starch or is it not?

Mmmm. I'm looking forward to my first box of holiday gift steaks from the Mayo Clinic.

The Incredulous One LOL Salient Green right ;-) (Biscuits made from Humans carcases)

Sounds pretty cool. And, to answer some questions in the article : no, the vegetarian versions are not good enough. In fact, they are dreadful. If the veggie versions were "as good" then people would definitely buy them.

They're not (properly) aimed as meat replacements. A veggie burger is what it is not a vegetable-based product that perfectly replaces a hamburger.

Textured pollock would be fine, especially kosher, but if you read the label, it's 99% potato starch! It's a double lie!! It's denatured potato flour masquerading as textured pollock masquerading as 'crab meat'. ILLEGAL!!

Except that it isn't "masquerading as 'crab meat'" - it is masquerading as 'imitation crab meat', so your over-the-top chest-beating is vacuous and unwarranted. The point of something being an 'imitation' is that it is supposed to resemble something, not be that something. If it was that something, then it wouldn't be 'imitation'!

Oh, and there's nothing wrong with eating potato.

Thank you WaitUU

Avey: Pending on the desired texture and flavor of the surimi product, the gelatinous paste is mixed with differing proportions of additives such as starch, [doesn't say potato although it could be] egg white, salt, vegetable oil, humectants, sorbitol, sugar, soy protein, seasonings, and enhancers such as transglutaminases and monosodium glutamate (MSG). Mmmmm!!!! but potato starch was not specified. The Wicki on Ersatz Crab:

Yeah you can't always trust Wikipedia, but who can you trust.

Then there is Taco Bell meat:

Beef, water, isolated oat product, salt, chili pepper, onion powder, tomato powder, oats (wheat), soy lecithin, sugar, spices, maltodextrin (a polysaccharide that is absorbed as glucose), soybean oil (anti-dusting agent), garlic powder, autolyzed yeast extract, citric acid, caramel color, cocoa powder, silicon dioxide (anti-caking agent), natural flavors, yeast, modified corn starch, natural smoke flavor, salt, sodium phosphate, less than 2% of beef broth, potassium phosphate, and potassium lactate.

Now that is fine dining.

Silicon dioxide is natural, however. It's been used for millenia. And technically, consumption of it has been significantly correlated with a decrease in dementia. It's like using sodium chloride as the name for salt.

If i remember right Soy both milk and any products from it has been defined as a " filler " little if any benefits come from this filler other then the wasted water and land in growing it.

No such thing as "Soy both milk".

Soy milk is not filler.

sorry coma missing Soy, Both, Milk AND

Certain kind of fillers are made from soy, and from milk solids.

There is no reason to believe what you said, i.e., the "little if any benefits come from this filler other then the wasted water and land in growing it."

That is your choice, and rightly so, check the facts for yourself, and do not compare it to cows milk, for I personally think that ' cows milk is ok for Cows , but I would not recommend it for Humans " :-)

The reasson for that is because of the misuse of cows milk in replacing Mother Milk for infants and the HUGE damage that does!

So for Other uses of Cows, Goat , Camel, Horse Milk, go for it.. but not for a replacement for Infant Milk when Mothers Milks is available.

I don't really have a vested interest either way - I drink almond milk exclusively, myself. My point is that your over-the-top criticism was baseless.

Would you like a imitation crab salad with that?

If i remember right Soy both milk and any products from it has been defined as a " filler " little if any benefits come from this filler other then the wasted water and land in growing it.

#1.12 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:11 PM EST

Hmm, a Point of Observation is " criticism " some one needs some remedial help?

The prejudicial term "wasted" turns your "Point of Observation" into "criticism". That's why it was important to point out how baseless the criticism was.

Avey I bumped into you before, you were a nasty little bugger then, so now I took the liberty to check some other of your blogs. From the name Eagle Averro [British plane] your use of pounds as opposed to dollars, and interest in the royal family, I take it your from the isles across the pond. Always liked the English, good humor, movies, some TV, and in particular rock since the invasion in the 60's. Also the few I know personally were fine people. [except this one gale from Birmingham] You on the other hand have issues, religious and social. Did you have a wife that beat you regularly with a rolling pin?

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.

Who defined or classified milk as a filler? From a nutritional standpoint that's incorrect. From a dietary standpoint it's wrong. From a chemical standpoint it's not even close to being accurate in any sense.

To say that human milk is better for humans is also meaningless since it's not much different from cow's milk, for anyone beyond the age of nine months old. For children older than five and all adults, cows milk is better.

Chirmly,

Cow's milk is designed for the calves! not human babies. For humans, mother's milk is best.....

Bio, for human babies, human milk is better than cows milk. For adults and children, cows milk is better. For protein and calcium bio-availability (as per dialysis tests), it's cow's milk then human milk then soy based infant formula then milk-based formulas (of course, adults shouldn't be drinking the formulas). Even at a raw comparison, human milk contains less calcium than a cows milk.

It's human milk with about 6 mg of calcium vs cows milk with about 12-17 mg of calcium (bioavailable in both cases).

Ok, so calcium is less in breast milk. Protein is less in breast milk. It's also got potassium (cows milk).

The only "minus" for adults drinking cows milk over human milk would be sodium -- it's got three times the sodium of human milk. So drinking 10 cups of cows milk per day would be pushing it -- and 25 cups of cows milk would give you all the sodium you should have. But both are a stretch, aren't they?

Sure, when we get the " Materializer " set up, so it can use molecules from the ambient particles around if to " re construct " anything and everything, sure we will :-)

I just wanted a bacon factory :)

Sure, when we get the " Materializer " set up, so it can use molecules from the ambient particles around if to " re construct " anything and everything

No, they are already creating meat.

Do you realize that you are scoffing at the impossibility of things that are currently being done?

I'm getting the image of someone's great grandfather, walking out of the horse barn, seeing a parked automobile for the first time and saying "That thing will never work!" and even as it drives off into the distance still saying "No siree, never gonna work".

Good point MarkD, though I fear it was my grandfather who said that, not my great-grandfather. :)

Sorry MarkD-555 seems you have no sense of Humour, nor comprehension, the article is about using Bio product and stimulating IT to grow, a growth vector needs the " feed " for it to Grow, a " Materializer " on the other hand Needs neither since I stated the Obvious and YOU could not comprehend it i re post it : " Materializer " set up, so it can use molecules from the ambient particles around if to " re construct "

Now i do NOT Scoff an Any Science, but i do have the intelligence to comprehend what I read.

BXURZ, Experience has taught some obviously not all , as it is obvious from some of the posts here, that we can Copy, but randomly Improve on nature, so to have a Factory that uses a base Bio cell and then get it to grow, will from My point of view use more energy, create more pollution and hence More breakdowns then what nature does with its bio-diversity., so in short I agree with your sentiment.

Great point... the "grown" meat could be tailored to be pre-treated (marinated and so on...).

Chirmly,

you didn't get my point..........Lab grown meat wont have any bone in it! it'll pretty much be limited to something like soft mush.

Biotronics Indeed as as anyone that knows anything about cooking and flavour, it is the Bones that do that, add to that is the amount of energy it takes to " create " it, so what would be the net benefits?

Actually, the reason meat becomes tougher is because of the molecular makeup of it. You can bio-engineer tougher meat. It doesn't have to be exercise. Just like adding fat -- you don't have to have fed an animal a high fat diet in order to generate meat with larger percentages of fat -- that can be easily engineered in. Just adding collagen both inside and outside the cells would make the meat tougher (if desired).

Imagine eating soft mush as meat all the time...........sooner or later, your animal instincts will start screaming for something hard to bite into.

............and from an evolutionary point of view, feeding on soft mush would eventually lead to teeth becoming just a cosmetic accessory!

Bio, you can make it tougher by adding the collagen to it. That's what makes meat tougher.

Natural ground meat has up to 40% collagen in it..........when cooked ground meat is still mush!

yea, extra things can be added to designer meat of course, collagen, elastin, fibronectin, growth hormones, vitamins etc. etc. and that will raise its price accordingly! but adding bone to it is another story!

Imagine eating soft mush as meat all the time...........sooner or later, your animal instincts will start screaming for something hard to bite into.

Uh, no they wouldn't. Humans are eminently adaptable. If I never have another leathery piece of steak, or rubbery piece of chicken, it'll be too soon.

Humans are eminently adaptable

Too adaptable for their own good! ..................

So then, If it is not cost effective, If it is not environmental, what IS it?

It pro environmental, and has the potential to be cost effective later. (Certainly not cost effective right now, but prototype technology never is.)

It uses less resources to create just the meat than feeding an entire animal and killing it. Most conjecture about this point to eventually using algae or wood pulp sugar to grow meat instead of corn and wheat for animal feed.

According to the analysis by scientists from Oxford University and Amsterdam University, lab-grown tissue would reduce greenhouse gases by up to 96% in comparison to raising animals. The process would require between 7% and 45% less energy than the same volume of conventionally produced meat such as pork, beef, or lamb, and could be engineered to use only 1% of the land and 4% of the water associated with conventional meat.

Less land for raising an animal, and no feces - no guts.

But it will be total BS if this eventually raised the price of manure... (har har)

Finally PETA can do something meaningful in supporting this instead of the usual outlandish things they normally do that are less well thought out.

lol Yes we need animal feces, what this crappology does not mention is that with animals one has more then just " meat " one has the bones that are used for fertilizer the Urea that is used in chemical plants and not forget Cosmetics, most woman would not know what do do without bull urea in their makeup (JOKE!!! ) no need for feminist to go flaming now :-) The leather is used anything from garments to upholstery and more, so as I said " statistics always Crap on and on, but rarely give out FACTS " :-)

AND not to forget BIO-Diversity!!