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Jordan's king blames Israel for deadlocked peace

Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:58 AM EST
world-news, israel, ml, jordan, king-abdullah-ii, petra-news-agency
Jamal Halaby, Associated Press

Malcolm Hoenlein, the executive vice chairman of the New York-based Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations — a central coordinating body for American Jewry, representing 52 national Jewish agencies, speaks with The Associated Press, after returning from a meeting with Jordan's King Abdullah II, in Jerusalem, Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2012. King Abdullah II on Tuesday blamed Israel for deadlocked Mideast peacemaking in a meeting with U.S. Jewish leaders, the official Petra News Agency said. But the report was immediately contradicted by his guests, who insisted that the king was complimentary of the Israeli leader's position in peace talks. (AP Photo / Maya Hasson)

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AMMAN — King Abdullah II on Tuesday blamed Israel for deadlocked Mideast peacemaking in a meeting with U.S. Jewish leaders, the official Petra News Agency said.

But the king's guests offered a more optimistic version of events, saying Abdullah had also been complimentary of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's position in recent peace talks.

Jordan last month played host to talks that have subsequently been broken off. Palestinian and Israeli negotiators have blamed the other for the cut-off.

Petra said Abdullah was specifically concerned over Israel's "unilateral policies." It said that included changing the identity of the traditionally Arab sector in East Jerusalem and tampering with Muslim holy shrines there.

It said Abdullah's remarks came in a meeting Tuesday with representatives of the New York-based Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations — a central coordinating body for American Jewry, representing 52 national Jewish agencies.

Delegation leader Malcolm Hoenlein, speaking after the meeting, acknowledged the king's concerns about unilateral Israeli action, particularly in east Jerusalem.

But he also said Abdullah had in fact been complimentary of Netanyahu's peace efforts and had even asked him to convey a message of thanks for Israel's proposals in the latest round of peace talks.

"He praised Netanyahu and asked that we specifically at the end to please give a message to 'my friend' that I appreciate his taking risks by putting forth the package that he did ... a package that he knew was difficult to do, but he created a climate to enable the process to move forward and for negotiations to take place," Hoenlein said.

The talks, hosted by Jordan, began last month, but were soon cut off with the Palestinians complaining that Israel's offers were insufficient. The Palestinians are supposed to decide shortly whether to resume the talks.

Although Israel's position was not made public, officials have suggested it included handing over to the Palestinians most of the territory, but keeping large chunks that contain most of the Jewish settlements in the area.

Critically, the offer reportedly did not include east Jerusalem, where the Palestinians want to locate their capital. Officials say Israel wants to maximize the number of Israelis who end up under Israeli control, while maximizing the number of Palestinians who live in a future Palestine.

Petra said that Abdullah also warned that failure to realize a Mideast settlement would exacerbate tensions in a region engulfed by uprisings that have unseated four Arab leaders — a report not contradicted by Hoenlein.

"He said he doesn't think that it's over," said Hoenlein, who is the executive vice chairman of the Jewish umbrella group. "He also explained why it would be critical given all the developments in the region and that Israelis and Arabs are moving closer together a common agenda on the threat from Iran."

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Federman reported from Jerusalem.

© 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Maria-789794

duh!!!

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:33 PM EST
Dakota Dean

Since Jordan is 80% Palestinianits time for Jordan to bring back there brothers and sisters.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:46 PM EST
Gray beard

Lets see this guys grandfather stated the this whole mess when he attacked tried to seize the whole of the rest of the british mandate for himself in in the name of Jordan in 1948. this after the ruling family had been run out of Iraq, SA and Syria over the last couple hundred years.

This guys FATHER attacked Isarel in 67 hoping to do what dear old grand dad could not and lost everything that was gained in 48. Daddy also explied the palestinian leaders from jordan and kept the people in camps and waited until the late 80S before he made peace with Israel making the idea of a seperate state even possible.

Yep nothing like talking about the splinter in the other guts eye while haven a plank sticking out of yours.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:53 PM EST
aRTieA

Jordan has been headed by a foreign dictatorship(monarchy) family since its inception. Abdullah will do anything to maintain power, even though Jordan is the Palestinian homeland.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:15 PM EST
spankola

That is Garbage. Are you also going to say the the Palestinians are a "made up People"?

Most Israelis' homeland is not even on the same continent.

  • 1 vote
#3.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:31 PM EST
aRTieA

That is Garbage.

Are you saying that factual history is garbage or do you have a version that can be proven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jordan

On 25 May 1946 the country became the Hashemite Kingdom of Trans-Jordan when the ruling 'Amir' was re-designated as 'King'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashemite

Sharif Hussein bin Ali rebelled against the rule of the Ottomans during the Arab Revolt of 1916.[4] Between 1917 and 1924, after the collapse of Ottoman power, Hussein bin Ali ruled an independent Hejaz, of which he proclaimed himself king, with the tacit support of the British Foreign Office. His supporters are sometimes referred to as "Sharifians" or the "Sharifian party". His chief rival in the Arabian peninsula was the king of the highlanders on the highland of Najd named Ibn Saud, who annexed the Hejaz in 1925 and set his own son, Faysal bin Abdelaziz Al Saud, as governor. The region was later incorporated into Saudi Arabia.

Hussein bin Ali had five sons:

  • Ali, who briefly succeeded to the throne of Hejaz before its loss to the Saud family.
  • Abdullah, later became the king of Transjordan, and whose descendants rule the kingdom, that has been known ever since as the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.
  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:40 PM EST
mork1from1ork

The Kingdom of Jordan,
was Create from a Part, of That Land, which the Conquering English, TOOK, from the Defeated Turkey,
which the Conquering Romans of 2000 years ago, had RE-Named as Palestine;
therefore, *Roman Palestine*

The PEACE to come, for The Israelis and The Palestinians.
To BE True, and To BE Constant, and TO EXIST;
MUST INCLUDE The Kingdom of Jordan, as The THIRD State of *Roman Palestine*

  • 1 vote
#3.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:38 AM EST
kpr37

Are you also going to say the the Palestinians are a "made up People"?

No, I will let Zuheir Mohsen say it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen

Mohsen himself was in fact both a leader of the Syrian Ba'ath party controlled as-Sa'iqa faction of the PLO and a Palestinian member of the Syrian Ba'ath party's own National Command in the present day nation of Syria itself. Making Zuheir Mohsen uniquely both a PLO leader and an official in the ideologically Pan-Arabist Syrian Ba'ath party at the same time. As such, he stated that there were "no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese", though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for political reasons. This originated in a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw:[5]

"The Palestinian people does not exist.

The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity.

In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.

Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism."

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

something else to concider

The Struggle with the Jews Is Not Political but Religious

Page 91 reads: "Whoever studies the nature of the conflict between the Muslims and the Jews understands an important fact, [namely that] this is a religious conflict, not a dispute about politics or nationality, or a conflict between races or tribes, or a fight over land or country, as some describe it. This is a deeply rooted enmity, a conflict between truth and falsehood, between monotheism and polytheism, between heresy and faith. The enmity between us and the Jews will not cease under any circumstances until one of two things [happens]: either they join our religion and become Muslims, or we abandon our religion, God forbid. [Allah], may He be exalted, said [in the Koran]: 'They [the Jews] will not cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion, if they can' [Koran 2:217]; 'And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians, until you follow their religion' [Koran 2:120].

"They are jealous of the fact that the Seal of the Prophets [i.e., Muhammad] came from among the Arabs and not from among the Children of Israel, and [because] they know well that our master, Muhammad, Allah's prayer be upon him, was the Prophet of Allah... [As it says in the Koran:] 'Those whom We have given the Book recognize him as they recognize their sons, and a party of them most surely conceal the truth while they know (it)' [Koran 2:146]. Once we realize the essence of this conflict, and that this enmity cannot cease, we understand how much those who say the conflict can be settled are misleading [us].

"Our conflict with the Jews clearly began following the hijra of our master, Muhammad, Allah's prayer be upon him, to Medina. It was then that the plots and schemes against the first Muslims began. [These Muslims waged] prolonged jihad against [the Jews], who were expelled from Medina in stages. The Banu Qaynuqa' [tribe] was the first to be expelled, following the incident of the Muslim woman.[1] Afterward, the members of the Banu Al-Nadir tribe were expelled, having tried to assassinate the Prophet, Allah's prayer be upon him, and then, the Banu Qurayza [tribe], who breached their covenant with the Muslims and joined the camps [of Muhammad's Meccan enemies] in the Battle of the Trench [in 627 CE]."

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5896.htm

  • 3 votes
#3.5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:28 AM EST
mork1from1ork

kpr,

I submit, to you, this, from your Zuheir Mohsen "quote';

"....the moment we reclaim our right to *all* of Palestine....,"

"....We will NOT WAIT even a minute,
to **UNITE** all of Palestine...."

(*Unite*even if the Hashemite King, and His Hashemite People, "decline" )

The, *U.K. Allied*, Hasmemite Kingdom of Jordan, does NOT want THAT "unification" !!!!

  • 2 votes
#3.6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:14 AM EST
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A. Commentator

Oh, boy, the plot thickens.

  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:24 PM EST
spankola

OY YOY YOY, all this ancient history! I am sure when negotiating with the Israelis, the Palestinians want the land that the Israelis took and illegally occupy. Jordan? Do they have a claim outstanding against Jordan? No!

Your biased history is garbage. Zuheir Mohsen is pandering to the surrounding Arabs for support of his cause and his statement only a red herring in this discussion. Basically a lie to support your weak ideas.

The only "made up people" in the Middle East are the intruding non indigenous Jews falsely claiming an ancient relation to ancient Israel from over 2000 years ago and a religious, not legal, right to the land.

The Palestinians were removed as an apartheid policy of Zionism. That is the subject at hand.

The idea that Arabs do not want Palestine as separate is not new. During the Palestinian Civil War of 1948, the surrounding Arabs waited for the collapse of British Control after the Bombing of the King David Hotel (the Jews were the first terrorists). The Arabs, of course, came in to swallow up the area, not to aid the Palestinians.

Palestine exists in an unbiased international light, one not tainted by Zionists and Arab regimes.

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:15 PM EST
aRTieA

same old revision of historical reality... Yawn!!!

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:26 PM EST
mork1from1ork

*Black September*

Known as "Black" by the Palestinians,

when Jordan's Hashemite King, Hussein,
ESCAPED assassination attempts on His Life, by The Jordanian Palestinians.

King Hussein, declared (Hashemite)Military Rule,
in Response, to
an Attempted Palestinian "coup d'etat", a Palestinian Military Strike, To SEIZE the Kingdom,
TO Remove the Jordanian Hashemites, and Replace Them with Jordanian Palestinians.

The Jordanian Hashemite Rulers, Defeated the Rebels, The Jordanian Palestinians,
and because of this "Civil War",
The Ruling Jordanian Hashemite king,
had Thousands of Jordanian Palestinians, EXPELLED from The Kingdom.

.... Before, the Bitter fighting that became "Black September",
there were THREE Assassination Attempts, on The King;
The last Attempt on the King's life, 3 months prior to The "Outbreak" of "Civil War",
was when The King was being driven by his Motorcade, to Amman Airport,
to Meet his daughter, Alia, who was returning from Cairo.

"BLACK SEPTEMBER", is What the Palestinians Call their defeat, by The Jordanian Army.
The Jordanian King, and His Hashemite Jordanians, undoubtedly call the Conflict.
by a Different Name; probably a Name denoting, A Victory.

  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:42 PM EST
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Meturaf

I didn't like some of the things that occured under the elder Husseins rule, like using Jewish tombstone for Latrines, but then that might have been some underling in the field having no other way to express his Jew hatred and did it without the kings knowledge. That said, the apple has fallen far from the tree. Hussein the elder was a statesman and was polite and dignified, when it came to discussing issues, which is no doubt why Israel helped him stop Syrian incursions into Northern Jordan. The son is living in the shadow of a man who he will never be of worth to have tied his shoes.

  • 1 vote
Reply#6 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:33 PM EST
mork1from1ork

Meturaf,

The Majority of Jordanians, would NOT agree with You.

The Majority of Jordanians LOVE their King and their Royal Family.

The Kingdom of Jordan and The United Kingdom of England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland
ARE VERY CLOSE ALLIES (closer Allies than ANY Middle Eastern Country and Jordan)

Long Live the King and Long Live Hashemite Jordan

  • 1 vote
Reply#7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:10 PM EST
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