Glitch found in faster-than-light setup

I still believe the speed of light is just a barrier, much like the speed of sound. It can and will be broken despite the obvious issues of the speed of energy and the equivalenceof mass. Perhaps we are simply looking at the issue of speed all wrong. Perhaps we should be examining not mass and energy but the perception of time and space. Perhaps space is only relevant in the dimension we accept as true and time is a function of that spacial reality. Hmm, did that make sense? I hope so.

hmmm...maybe we can only break the speed of light with the power of thought...now only if we can harness that power...

What about the speed of dark!? Remember, no matter how fast light travels, dark has got there already! (I stole that).

One needn't worry about dark......

When the going gets Light, the Dark gets going!

(It only takes a tiny ray of light to illuminate a dark room)

Chirmly that goes right along with my buddy's idea for a flashdark :)

Dark can't flash, it can only be slashed.........not a bad idea for a slashdark :)

Bio, that the cables were loose in one experiment and loose in the second experiment is rather expected. One doesn't disconnect and reconnect all the supporting sensor hardware for each run. In fact, to have done so would have introduced SO many variables from the original parameters that we'd never know what "change" may have effected the result.

Similarly, if the neutrinos really are/were going faster than light, then it would be replicated in other facilities.

So Biotronics, I have a question: Why all the hate for relativity and/or Einstein?

I don't believe in Hero worship because

to Err is Human..........

Once there was an Aristotle,

He made humans believe in his

bogus theories like Geocentricity and Abiogenesis

for nearly two millennia............

Where are those theories now?....

Bio, well abiogenesis is still a rich field of research as well as the best explanation for the origin of life itself.

However, it's amusing that you had to go back to pre-empirical science... Where did those go, well, good thing you ask -- many were replaced when we started adding more rules to science, like "if it isn't or hasn't been empirically proved multiple times via various disciplines then we shouldn't accept it as valid"... And that's actually the best validation for Einstein.

The best explanation for what we observe in nature is, as a rule, what science. And alternatives to science have had a spectacularly rich history of utter failure.

The science isn't about Einstein, it's about his research, Maxwell's research, Lorentz's research, Fermi and Dirac and Pauli's (sort of, with Pauli) research, and so on, all of whom came up with discretely (and independently) unique limitations at the speed of light.

So, sure, Einstein could be wrong... but Lorentz's formulae would also have to be entirely wrong, as well as a huge crux of his assertions and so on.

I don't believe in Hero worship because

to Err is Human..........

Once there was an Aristotle,

This is true. But humans are not always wrong, or we wouldn't be typing this across the globe.

The difference is real world results.

Nuclear power works.

GPS satellites heavily rely on Einstein's time dilation equations.

These things work. If some particle by chance did go faster than light, these devices would still work. He would have been "wrong" even less than Newton was "wrong".

Einstein made huge contributions, and should be remembered for these things; but no, he didn't get everything right. He was wrong on many aspects of quantum physics.

I haven't seen anyone worshiping him, but his work on relativity is sound. People have spent lifetimes expanding and utilizing it, and producing real world results with it. If somebody comes along on an internet forum and claims Einstein/Relativity is wrong, then you will likely get as strong of a reaction as you would saying George Washington didn't exist. We have tangible proof from both all around us.

But I do fully support you in your quest against hero worship. Let me direct you to some professional & college sports articles.

I have no problem appreciating Einstein's contributions, but to resist and reject by any means possible, what could be an epic discovery is downright biased!

There are actually graduate students on the verge of submitting their theses on some aspect of Relativity, and praying that, let the news of faster than light particles be not true, ......

Chirmly,

There was a time when people actually believed that Capitalism was forever and that Communism had been defeated for good!..................

Bio, and governmental systems and predictions of how successful they are or will be is practical science how?

Communism as a complete governmental system has failed. China and Russia and Cuba are strong testimony to that fact. China now practices and relies upon capitalism (both internally and externally). Russia has succumbed altogether and was forced to adopt an entirely different system, abandoning communism almost entirely (except as a party) -- they are capitalists and democratic (not that they were truly communists to begin with).

Cuba, while still strongly hitching-their-wagon to communism, would be best described as a third-world or developing country.

And, as a completely failed state, North Korea doesn't need much discussion -- they have enough of the worlds' pity.

Communist China is aptly called the "People's Republic". China today could not emerge as an economic superpower, had it not gone through a communist phase!

Communist Russia was superpower, Capitalist Russia is a developing country rife with corruption!

Cuba and N. Korea are not communist they are (small potato) military dictatorships supported and funded by communist superpowers much like Taiwan, S. Korea, Iraq, Vietnam and Philippines have been supported by capitalist powers. Who would call these nations a democratic or economic success?

I love how Chirmly claims China is a failure when it's on it's way to overtaking us as the worlds super power. And Cuba has done fairly well for not being able to trade with it's most affluent neighbor.

There is most definitely a major cold war stereotype affecting people who are against socialism. North Korea is not a Communist country, they may claim they are, but it is a pure dictatorship, the people have no power. I think it is bad examples like them that fuel socialist paranoia.

Flying, I am saying that communism was the failure and that to succeed they had to embrace capitalism.

The structure of Communism leads almost always to dictatorship. China is succeeding because it has embraced socialism over Communism. Socialism is a bit of a capitalism, Communism mix. So I would agree that Communism is not a very good system, if only because of the human element of greed. Capitalism negates greed by diversifying opportunity, however, in the long run capitalism becomes condensed as we are seeing now with conglomeration. This negates opportunity and will lead possibly to a Fascist state. By having a government that limits corporate power but also helps create diversity and supports it's people over it's power you create a balanced system. Hence the reason I believe in socialism.

I have no problem appreciating Einstein's contributions, but to resist and reject by any means possible, what could be an epic discovery is downright biased!

All they have to do is replicate the results.

Guys, stop feeding the short hairy guy who lives and a bridge and has a taste for goat meat.

FYI:

Guys, I'm a woman!

and yes Goat meat is actually much tastier and leaner than (often smelly) lamb.........