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Higher gas prices cloud Obama's re-election hopes

Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:16 PM EST
politics, us, barack-obama, price, gasoline-price
Tom Raum, Associated Press
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<p>In this Feb. 17, 2012 photo, Deborah Aguila fills up her car at a gas station, in San Diego. Retail gasoline prices jumped 3 cents to a national average of $3.61 a gallon, Thursday, Feb. 23, 2012. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)</p>

In this Feb. 17, 2012 photo, Deborah Aguila fills up her car at a gas station, in San Diego. Retail gasoline prices jumped 3 cents to a national average of $3.61 a gallon, Thursday, Feb. 23, 2012. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)

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WASHINGTON — Soaring gasoline prices are threatening to undercut President Barack Obama's re-election prospects and offering Republicans an easy target. With prices pushing $4 a gallon and threatening to go even higher, Obama sought Thursday to confront rising public anxiety and strike back at his GOP critics.

"Only in politics do people root for bad news, do they greet bad news so enthusiastically," Obama said of Republicans. "You pay more; they're licking their chops."

Obama said dismissively that all the Republicans can talk about is more drilling — "a bumper sticker ... a strategy to get politicians through an election" — when the nation's energy challenges demand much more. In a speech in Miami, he promoted the expansion of domestic oil and gas exploration but also the development of new forms of energy.

For all the political claims, economists say there's not much a president of either party can do about gasoline prices. Certainly not in the short term. But it's clear that people are concerned — a new Associated Press-GfK poll says seven in 10 find the issue deeply important — so it's sure to be a political issue through the summer.

"Right now, we're experiencing yet another painful reminder of why developing new energy is so critical to our future," the president said. At an average of $3.58 a gallon, prices are already up 25 cents since Jan. 1, and experts say they could reach a record $4.25 a gallon by Memorial Day.

Those higher prices could hurt consumer spending and unravel some of the recent improvements in the economy. And they could also be a daily reminder to voters to question Obama's contention that he's making the nation — and them — more secure.

While motorists are already starting to complain, many economists see the $4-a-gallon mark as a breaking point above which the economy starts to suffer real pain. Analysts estimate that every one-cent increase is roughly a $1.4 billon drain on the economy.

Obama's Republican challengers aren't letting it all slide by. They have stepped up their attacks on his energy policies, including his rejection last month of a pipeline to carry oil from Canada to refineries on the U.S. Gulf Coast. And they're full of promises.

"I've developed a program for American energy so no future president will ever bow to a Saudi king again, and so every American can look forward to $2.50-a-gallon gasoline," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said in the Wednesday night GOP debate in Mesa, Ariz. He calls his strategy "Drill Here, Drill Now."

At the same event, former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania — who has warned of $5-a-gallon gas — asserted that "we have a lot of troubles around the world, as you see the Middle East in flames and what's going on in this country with gas prices and the economy." And former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney suggested that even more troubling than rising gasoline prices was Iranian President Mahmoud "Ahmadinejad with nuclear weapons."

In his speech at the University of Miami, Obama sought to draw a contrast with his GOP challengers and made a pointed reference to what he suggested was Republican glee at rising gas prices.

"And you can bet that since it's an election year, they're already dusting off their three-point plans for $2 gas," Obama said. "I'll save you the suspense. Step one is drill, step two is drill, and step three is keep drilling. .. We've heard the same thing for 30 years. Well, the American people aren't stupid."

Addressing the rising public anxiety, Obama said, "There are no quick fixes to this problem, and you know we can't just drill our way to lower gas prices." Anyone suggesting otherwise was not being honest, he said.

Still, Obama said he had ordered his administration to search for every possible area to help consumers in the coming months. He said his administration's "all-of-the-above strategy," one that includes oil, gas, wind and solar power, is the "only real solution" to the nation's energy challenges.

Gingrich quickly dismissed Obama's energy speech as "excuses and fantasies."

Presidents often get blamed for rising gas prices, but there's not much they can do about them. The current increases at the pump have been driven by tensions in Iran and by higher demand in the U.S. as well as in China, India and other quickly growing nations.

"Obviously, people go to the pump all the time, so it's something that really hits home with the voters," said Fred Greenstein, a Princeton University professor emeritus of politics. "It's an easy issue to talk about, and not an easy issue to accomplish very much on."

In his Miami remarks, Obama said that despite political criticism of his policies "America is producing more oil today than at any time in the last eight years. He also noted that, for the first time in 30 years, the United States is now exporting more petroleum products than it imports.

But Jack Gerard, the president of the American Petroleum Institute, challenged Obama's apparent effort to take credit.

"While oil production is up, the increase relates almost entirely to investment and leasing decisions made before, sometimes long before, this administration came into office," Gerard said. "The increase is also due to oil and gas development on private and state lands over which the administration has little or no control at all."

Though Obama's approval rating on the economy has climbed, his negative rating on handling gas prices is stagnant. Just 39 percent approve of what he's doing there, and 58 percent disapprove, according to the new AP-GFK survey.

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics, said gasoline prices are likely to keep rising as the summer driving season approaches. "Increasingly, it's becoming the biggest threat to the economy," he said. "And there is little presidents can do to influence gasoline prices in the near term."

Some lawmakers have called for Obama to release oil from the nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

"Rising gas prices could be the difference between an economy that continues to recover and an economy that sinks back into recession," said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., among those calling for such a move.

The emergency reserve is kept in salt caverns in Texas and Louisiana and contains about 700 million barrels of oil. There are 42 gallons in each barrel. Last year, as prices rose, Obama authorized the sale of 30 million barrels of oil from the reserve.

However, economists suggest that tapping the reserve to increase the amount of oil on the market has only a modest and temporary effect on gas prices.

Will Obama take that step? White House spokesman Jay Carney says, "We never take options off the table."

Obama may just have to get used to the criticism, because it probably isn't going away anytime soon, said James Thurber, an American University political science professor. "Republicans will hit him with anything that comes up which makes him look bad," he said.

Still, as long as the economy seems to keep improving, Obama probably won't be hurt too much by the attacks "unless gas goes over $5 a gallon," Thurber said.

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MyLifeInText

5 Dollars a gallon will hurt any President.

  • 13 votes
#1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:36 PM EST
IndependentVoter

Yes

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:52 PM EST
Disturbedlibrarian

You're right, $5 a gallon would hurt him but not fairly. If anyone thinks the Republicans can control the price of oil, I'd like to see the dream world they live in. He'll get the blame, or at least they will try, but he doesn't deserve it.

  • 35 votes
#1.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:54 PM EST
smeagol likes raw fishes

yes it will hurt him; if he doesn't address the cause: the 80% or so of the market that is now manipulated by the speculators. FAKING the role that traditionally TRUE oil customers had!Limits on speculative trading and punitive taxes on these windfalls should reverse that 'legalized looting'! They take ANY tiny glimmer of hope of the economy, or a rumor about Iran and HYPE it to the point where they HOG the contract market for future deliveries like SCALPERS ahead of a popular game... and pretend they are 'doing everybody a favor'.

Note how right after the whole real estate and banking mess apparently ALL the fat-cat money (active traders as well as their passive 'investors) went into COMMODITIES! Suddenly oil and gas more than doubled, even though the market said 'the economic ship is heading down'...

In short, demand and supply rules have long been suspended! Those with too much money on their hands, now sit in their cubicles and with the stroke of a key cash in millions! And probably pay low 'capital gains taxes'.

In the 1990s China was still an oil exporter, but has since evolved into 'the big consumer'. No president can change that history backwards!

  • 20 votes
#1.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:00 PM EST
Rorschach-558483

I really have to ask the president why he's not calling attention to the effects of speculation on pump prices.

Prices have risen what - 50, 60c since the first of the year, and there's no real change in supply or demand.

The only change is the suggestion of potential shortages. Prices have risen on that suggestion alone.

THAT is a first-hand example of the effect of uncontrolled speculation.

  • 18 votes
#1.4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:18 PM EST
smeagol likes raw fishes

Also, note that after the LAST big greed-fest, US-auto-makers who had banked TOO much on big SUVs were all looking at bankruptcy. Then the market 'rumor' must have been to 'get OUT of commodities' and take profits! Gas went down for a while to under $2... then the 'traders' started up again, going down barely a smidgen on bad news but UP a chunk on any small good news...

during that whole time US oil consumption AND gas consumption has basically just gone down slowly but steadily, with prices gyrating over 100%! Up at $147 one day and down to below $50 a few months later! I'd say that is VERY FISHY!

Actually, it is entirely possible for just a handful of billionaire kingpins of conspiracy, i.e. the Koch Brothers, to be involved in these 'investment schemes' not just for profit, but for political vendetta.

Not only can you BUY an election (as this election is showing with 25% of ALL cpac-donations (sp.?), coming from 5 individuals ALL to GOP candidates), but also create a convenient scape-goat. With an agenda when things don't 'go so well'... here is a shiney distraction for a pitch-fork-wielding mob.

  • 11 votes
#1.5 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:22 PM EST
JOHNNY THE GREAT

smeagol likes raw fishes:

I could have not said it better myself.

Plus the fact is gasoline has been going up no matter who is President.

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:25 PM EST
Chuck1968

In the 1990s China was still an oil exporter, but has since evolved into 'the big consumer'. No president can change that history backwards!

very true. however, in 2008 they had an earth quake which was the largest they had in three decades that displace millions of people and destroyed the infrastructure in major cities .

yet gas prices in May of 2008 were $4.10 a gallon and hit an all time high in June of 2008.

so if Chinese demand is the cause of high prices , then how come they continued to climb for months after this catastrophe made it impossible for millions of them to drive cars?

  • 7 votes
#1.7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:28 PM EST
A radicial idea

The president has no control over the price of oil and or gasoline. That is the 1% job. The oil companies are run by filthy rich, over fed, over stuffed, cigar smoking, criminal, businessmen. This is another attempt by the right (Republican) to undermine Obama's presidency and to deflect the fact that they (Republicans) do not have a candidate that is qualified to be president and most of them I would not hire to be a dog catcher.

  • 8 votes
#1.8 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:34 PM EST
dEd Grimley

Fancy that, the oil companies jack up their prices while the elections are going on, and it's the only hope they have of getting the psychopaths they want in office elected.

The biggest controllable factor we have on oil prices right now is NOT provoking Iran. Provoking Iran causes prices to rise and causes instability in the Middle East. Fancy that.

There are plenty of things that Obama's come up short on, but whenever anyone would like to focus on those things, the GOP pulls some BS and makes some insane claim or does something that hurts the entire country to try to hurt Obama, and you've gotta defend him against the insanity. The Republican party is supposed to be the counter balance to the Democratic agenda, but instead, they're a bunch of kids trying to cheat at checkers right in front of you.

  • 9 votes
#1.9 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:42 PM EST
dEd Grimley

Fancy that, the oil companies jack up their prices while the elections are going on, and it's the only hope they have of getting the psychopaths they want in office elected.

The biggest controllable factor we have on oil prices right now is NOT provoking Iran. Provoking Iran causes prices to rise and causes instability in the Middle East. Fancy that.

There are plenty of things that Obama's come up short on, but whenever anyone would like to focus on those things, the GOP pulls some BS and makes some insane claim or does something that hurts the entire country to try to hurt Obama, and you've gotta defend him against the insanity. The Republican party is supposed to be the counter balance to the Democratic agenda, but instead, they're a bunch of kids trying to cheat at checkers right in front of you.

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:42 PM EST
petridishofideas

HEY DUMBASSES......BIG BANKS (SUPRISE) and SPECULATORS are more to blame so how about going after them for a change. Bart Chilton of wall street actually SAID IT! Bart Chilton is the Commissioner for the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC). His career spans 25 years in government service—working on Capitol Hill in the House of Representatives, in the Senate, and serving in the Executive Branch during the Clinton, Bush and Obama Administrations.

  • 12 votes
#1.11 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:43 PM EST
Jake319


The republicans have always relied on markets to promote themselves to the public.

The republicans have got the isrealis talking about bombing Iran and Iran threatening to close the gulf. Please!!

Oil is moving up along with gold... What a rip off the corperate criminals are.

This is all fabricated to defeat Obama and Push the rest of the middle class over a cliff.

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:44 PM EST
smeagol likes raw fishes

Strange too how those rightwingers who blame the president for high WORLD oil prices, tend to talk as though domestic oil prices could just be MADE lower, so they can have their $2 a gallon dream... as though America was an island! What do they think? That oil companies who look at a $100 a barrel WORLD market price and it costs them $60 to produce otherwise 'un-economical' reserves, that they will just 'let the angry mob have the cheap oil they feel ENTITLED to'???? Give it to them at what... $50, $40 or less? So they can BLOW their winnings!

Oddly that does sound like, what... state-socialism, Venezuela-style, where oil is supplied to the masses at subsidized cost to ensure 'social peace' and 'political status quo'! Odd isn't it?

And one factor the parasitic speculators might take credit for is that domestic production is now higher than it has been in decades. Oddly, that may be true! Instead of us paying an 'un-manipulated' world market price of i.e. $45, we now pay $100plus, shoving $55 a barrel (about a FREE $1 a gallon) into the pockets of speculators, oil suppliers and a few domestic NEW drillers! Guess what... that oil could have been there tomorrow too and in 20 years. But it is all coming out now, while we the consumers are bleeding at a rate of BILLIONS a day. Money that could be spend on something we care about... healthcare, roads, food, education... and don't expect the speculator loot to TRICKLE DOWN! We know what a farce that theory was! That money will be in Swiss accounts and the Cayman Islands for example!

  • 13 votes
#1.13 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:33 PM EST
Paul-977599

Five dollars a gallon, for a substance which allows you to travel, anywhere from 30 to fifty miles down the road, is cheap! We Americans have allowed ourselves to become addicted to unreasonably cheap oil and energy. As addicts, we object EMOTIONALLY when access to our FIX is limited by its cost to us. OIL is no different. It never had to be this way. We allowed ourselves to be hoodwinked into this situation, and soon we will blame the wrong people for our discomfort.

  • 3 votes
#1.14 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:38 PM EST
Canadian Dave

Paul-977599 has nailed it. Check out the prices on the rest of the planet and you'll see how good we've had it for DECADES.

If the "American people" elect our next C-in-C on the basis of gasoline prices, we deserve to be attacked by Satan (TM- Rick Santorum, 2008).

BTW - IF the oil companies didn't want Obama to win the election, what do you think they'd do to swing things against him? Cause an increase in gas prices NOT related to supply and demand, maybe?

  • 7 votes
#1.15 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:43 PM EST
Rixar13

Still, as long as the economy seems to keep improving, Obama probably won't be hurt too much by the attacks "unless gas goes over $5 a gallon," Thurber said.

It's time to remove oil tax breaks...

  • 8 votes
#1.16 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:46 PM EST
Roy Batty

Prices have risen what - 50, 60c since the first of the year, and there's no real change in supply or demand.

Actually, demand is down, which makes the price increase even more suspicious.

  • 14 votes
#1.17 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:46 PM EST
smeagol likes raw fishes

Paul comment #1.14: I don't mind $5 or $8 a gallon that I paid at the gas-stations in Germany two months ago. I don't mind the taxes on it (which in the US barely pays for infra-structure repairs, and elsewhere entice conservation) and yes we are blessed in America to STILL get away so RELATIVELY cheap.

(Mind you, frugal Norway is an oil-exporter, gas-exporter, water-power generates 100% of domestic electricity and STILL Norwegians rather pay the highest prices for gas in Europe but are FINE with it and save the charged revenue for a rainy day.)

But we should be damned if we don't direct our true anger and frustration over parasitic LOOTING and price manipulations at the small clique that is causing it: the speculators who are charging BILLIONS of dollars A DAY in self-serving WEALTH-FARE for their dubious 'services'.

  • 10 votes
#1.18 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:50 PM EST
rose-231178

This is all fabricated to defeat Obama

Yes, they will use, speculation against Obama and the President-any president-will catch the blame. So I would suggest to all,

Watch who is running for congress and where their money comes from. We can handle any president but if we have congress that is aligned with him, we are in trouble.

All of you have seen what the teaparty have done. If we get a Repub in there, make da*n sure he does not have a congress that rubber stamps him as in 2000-2006

  • 4 votes
#1.19 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:55 PM EST
David Walker

I know this is true because I read it here. The President is responsible for high gasoline prices because during his administration we became a net oil exporter. That's because our production is up because President Obama has done everything he could to cut production. Thanks to the free market though and free enterprise, which he hates, we have plenty of oil and that's why prices are going down. But actually, they're going up because he is in the pocket of Big Oil and he wants to make them happy, but he wants to give away oil to stupid liberals so they'll vote for him.

Also, we have death camps and the pothole in front of my house is President Obama's fault too, and when I look at it, I can see it's shovel ready.

What I want is government control on everything except what I don't want government control of, so I won't vote for President Obama, only a Republican who wants to bomb Iran because Obama shouldn't have gotten involved in Libya.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

  • 14 votes
#1.20 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:19 PM EST
Roy Batty

What I want is government control on everything except what I don't want government control of

Heh, loving it.

  • 9 votes
#1.21 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:24 PM EST
Perception Dominates Reality

David Walker
Just outstanding. Absolutely outstanding. Bravo

  • 1 vote
#1.22 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:56 PM EST
Jim420

the Silver lining to the cloud is that gas prices are going up due to GOP hyperbole on Iran and starting a war with them...

  • 2 votes
#1.23 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:56 PM EST
Silvaria

I also find it HIGHLY suspicious that for no (*&#ing reason at alll, gas prices are suddenly soaring.

In just 3 short weeks, the prices where I live have gone from $3.59 per gallon, where they had held steady for months, to $3.99 per gallon...20 cents of that in just the last 3 days.

This is absolute bullsh!t because we all know WHY it's being done...a last-ditch effort to ruin support for Obama. It is important for all of us to bring attention to the extremely suspicious nature of this sudden increase, so that it FAILS in it's intended goal.

An informed public is NOT easily fooled by cheap theatrics...

  • 6 votes
#1.24 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:00 PM EST
Stand up, speak out

Silvaria

I also find it HIGHLY suspicious that for no (*&#ing reason at alll, gas prices are suddenly soaring.

I find it highly suspicious that gasoline prices are soaring while natural gas prices are in the tank. All at the same time that the hydro-fracking debate not only continues but the debate over the permitting and construction of natural gas export facilities is growing. Even more somewhat spurios are the reports of one of the largest natural gas producing companies experiencing serious financial problems.

  • 1 vote
#1.25 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:41 PM EST
Tappy McWidestance

So if I understand the small government GOP correctly, the federal government can control prices set by private industry. How else is Newt going to bring gas down to $2 a gallon? Maybe we should outlaw the exporting of gas? The GOP must know gas is one of America's major exports.

  • 1 vote
#1.26 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:50 PM EST
AJ in Missouri

I blame OPEC and all of the oil companies in the world. They want more profits, the jack prices up.

    #1.27 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:53 PM EST
    mountainmike-1199289

    There are two main reasons gas prices are up when it isn't a supply issue, speculation in oil primarily by Wall Street and price gouging by Big Oil. ONE BIG FAT QUESTION FOR REPUBLICANS. Remember the last time that this happened, when the Libyan oil fields were shut down because of the civil war? We had a oil/gas price spike which Republicans blamed on Obama (of course).

    Then when people fact checked the situation they found out that Libya accounted for 2-4 percent of the total oil for the world, most of it going to Europe and the UK. OPEC increased its production to compensate. THERE WAS NO SUPPLY ISSUE!!!

    Currently we are having a repeat of the same type of process. Speculators see a possible supply issue: this time it is Iran's oil fields going off line due to sanctions and the dispute over its nuclear energy/weapons development. Do Republicans support those sanctions?They are the only alternative to war.

    The two main factors involved in oil/gas prices have been speculation and price gouging. In 2010, prices went up to over $4 a gallon and then the quarterly profits statement came out with Big Oil making near record breaking profits. The sheer volume of oil speculation proves the point that speculation was a major factor in the price increase.

    Obama and the Democrats have at least tried to address the issue. Under the new Dodd-Frank banking reform legislation, the Commodities and Futures Trading Commission is empowered to eliminate all artificial factors that manipulate the market and prices outside of natural supply and demand. But the CFTC has been compromised by Republican political appointees. Democrats in the house have proposed an oversight committee on price gouging, which will most likely be obstructed by Republicans who are serving Big Oil instead of the American people.

    One of our largest exports over the past few years has been OIL!!! Why? Big Oil can make huge profits selling AMERICAN oil offshore. That is one of the primary strategies for price manipulation and gouging in the US.

    I would post the sources and links for all of this, as I have done in discussions over the past week on Newsvine, but my experience is in witnessing Republicans avoiding any responses to my replies with full documentation. All this stuff about Obama being to blame for the gas prices is just more brainless Obama bashing.


    • 5 votes
    #1.28 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:36 PM EST
    Arkansas Gloria

    There isn't anybody addressing this issue:

    One of our largest exports over the past few years has been OIL!!! Why? Big Oil can make huge profits selling AMERICAN oil offshore. That is one of the primary strategies for price manipulation and gouging in the US.....

    and then the quarterly profits statement came out with Big Oil making near record breaking profits. The sheer volume of oil speculation proves the point that speculation was a major factor in the price increase.

    We have allowed ourselves to become more than subjects- we are ...'dust on the wind...' like the song says. We are a disposable commodity, and we had better figure out how to get to work, keep the taxes going in, how to afford the gas, how to mow the lawn, while we watch the fat cats get wealthier! I recall too: Record profits!! It wasn't until Americans screamed about the profits and the inequity of it all, that the prices dropped a little bit.

    I agree with this part of what mountainmike said, and it bears repeating:

    ONE OF OUR BIGGEST EXPORTS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS HAS BEEN OIL. WHY?

    I don't blame obama for the prices- I blame him for being unable to lead, for being unable to do anything but campaign, for playing politics so heavily that he hasn't used his position to correct any of the rip-offs by ALL who are corrupt and have America by the...... s.

    It is a sad day when Americans have to spend ALL of their time, their days watching what government and our 'trusted elected representatives' are doing or not doing now.

    Repubs aren't off the hook, either, but Obama game palying campaigning isn't working, either. more wasted time and more wasted money ..lives.

    • 3 votes
    #1.29 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:16 PM EST
    smeagol likes raw fishes

    You should google 'gasoline imports from Europe' and find to your dismay (with your stubborn "that's my story and I'm sticking to it" attitude), that the American market has been supplied and kept afloat FOR YEARS with European gasoline (where Diesel is more popular). The imports have been down the last few years, but those of you getting the brain-fart to 'prohibit' US-EXPORTS should maybe notice the true complexity of the international markets. Most American refineries are in about the same run-down, antiquated state they were in 30 years ago, but because 'little money' can be made on cheap gasoline for basically poor people in America... (let's face it: the 'good life, the American Dream' has all been on credit and leveraged out the gazoo)

    Don't get all 'verklemmt' about Obama not being too excited about the most rancid grades of CANADIAN oil from shale being pumped via pipe-lines into the US! US domestic production is higher than ever!

    • 1 vote
    #1.30 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:36 PM EST
    Covah

    I am glad to see most NewsVine posters are smart enough to see "Higher gas prices cloud Obama's re-election hopes" is gibberish.

    • 3 votes
    #1.31 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:04 AM EST
    Arkansas Gloria

    It isn't gibberish to me. As commander in chief, it falls on his shoulders. Like it or not.

    • 4 votes
    #1.32 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:26 AM EST
    sugarcupid.com←DATE--successful man and beautiful woman--the largest single clubDeleted
    Heavy Artillery Rocker

    Gingrich quickly dismissed Obama's energy speech as "excuses and fantasies."

    "I've developed a program for American energy so no future president will ever bow to a Saudi king again, and so every American can look forward to $2.50-a-gallon gasoline," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said in the Wednesday night GOP debate in Mesa, Ariz. He calls his strategy "Drill Here, Drill Now."

    Now here's a fool you can bow down to, "excuses and fantasies" Star-war's Gingrich himself.

    Addressing the rising public anxiety, Obama said, "There are no quick fixes to this problem, and you know we can't just drill our way to lower gas prices." Anyone suggesting otherwise was not being honest, he said.

    At the same event, former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania — who has warned of $5-a-gallon gas — asserted that "we have a lot of troubles around the world, as you see the Middle East in flames and what's going on in this country with gas prices and the economy." And former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney suggested that even more troubling than rising gasoline prices was Iranian President Mahmoud "Ahmadinejad with nuclear weapons."

    Santorum is aware the oil lobbyists want Obama out at all costs "to us."

    Romney? Only thing I've been able to agree with, that's one.

    In his speech at the University of Miami, Obama sought to draw a contrast with his GOP challengers and made a pointed reference to what he suggested was Republican glee at rising gas prices.

    Sorry folks, I can't find any reason to disagree with that statement, the GOP seems to be intent on destroying America through the oil market since they've lost the power of POTUS.

    I believe its time to retake our country and slam these unethical corporations into the poor house by developing alternative energy solutions for the masses. We can do it and I'm eager to participate any way possible.

    • 3 votes
    #1.34 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:51 AM EST
    UNA_Lion

    Concur with Gloria. Is Mr. Obama in charge or not?

    "The buck stops here!" was on Mr. Truman's desk. What sign is on Mr. Obama's desk?

      #1.35 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:24 AM EST
      Jim44

      What sign is on Mr. Obama's desk?

      < They did it >

      UNA .... check this out I think you will like it ....

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tXSor1Y7AA

      • 2 votes
      #1.36 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:37 AM EST
      UNA_Lion

      That's pretty funny.

      • 1 vote
      #1.37 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:01 AM EST
      Nicey-1026620

      . With prices pushing $4 a gallon and threatening to go even higher

      National Average is 3.58.....

      Hyperbole much?

      I think the US can handle 4.50, 5.00 a gallon now. As opposed to 2008. People have more efficient cars, changed driving habits. Businesses have made changes as well.

      It's still tough, but I think the absolute price point is higher. Gas in particular is interesting. Because oil is not high enough right now to command this price.

        #1.38 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:20 AM EST
        ABO Warrior

        This is not Obama's fault - it's ours! He told us 4 years ago to check our tires and get a tune-up, but did we listen? It was the most brilliant energy policy of any President and the people didn't listen and now we're paying the price for not following our great leaders advice. We only have ourselves to blame. Now he has to put a tax on energy producers in order to subsidize green energy research being done by people who bundle his campaign contributions because that's the only way to help us now. :O

        • 3 votes
        #1.39 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:47 AM EST
        Jim44

        I think the US can handle 4.50, 5.00 a gallon now. As opposed to 2008. People have more efficient cars, changed driving habits. Businesses have made changes as well.

        You really think in our current economy with unemployment as high as it is that gas prices going up $1 to $1.50 per gal will be OK? As the Average? You know that that means gas on the West coast will be between $5.50 and $6 per gal...

        WoW!!!!!!

        Cal average TODAY WAS $4.21 per gal...

        • 4 votes
        #1.40 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:47 AM EST
        Nicey-1026620

        You really think in our current economy with unemployment as high as it is

        High unemployment actually means we consume less gas.

        that gas prices going up $1 to $1.50 per gal will be OK? As the Average?

        I never said it would be "ok" but that people have modified their habits, looked to more fuel efficient cars, and businesses have as well. Those boosting margins such that they can withstand a higher price before having to cut money dedicated to other things.

          #1.41 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:57 AM EST
          MyLifeInText

          Great debate all.... One thing thats going to hurt Obama... I was listening to NPR and they were playing a soundbite of Obama wishing for 5$ gas... If Reps play that over and Over thats going to sting :)

          • 4 votes
          #1.42 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:12 AM EST
          LCS

          Thanks Obama, this is just another fine mess, you got us into.

          • 6 votes
          #1.43 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:15 AM EST
          mountainmike-1199289

          Big Oil is exporting huge amounts of oil to other countries to make larger profits. That becomes a strategy for manipulating supply and price gouging here in America.

          • 3 votes
          #1.44 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:16 AM EST
          JC-1439099

          HEY DUMBASSES......BIG BANKS (SUPRISE) and SPECULATORS are more to blame so how about going after them for a change

          Do you honestly believe that President Obama is going to go after those people at the same time he's trying to convince them to donate to his super PAC? There's a laugh......

          • 5 votes
          #1.45 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:56 AM EST
          UNA_Lion

          Indeed, let's take a look at Mr. Obama's biggest supporters.

          Read this. Always, follow the money.

          • 2 votes
          #1.46 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:01 AM EST
          mountainmike-1199289

          Do you honestly believe that President Obama is going to go after those people at the same time he's trying to convince them to donate to his super PAC? There's a laugh......

          FACT - The Dodd Frank banking reform bill empowers the CFTC regulatory agency to eliminate speculation, but it is sitting on its dead butt not doing the job because most of the commissioners are ex Wall Street executives and Republicans and the new person in charge of oversight is Ryan McKee, the main Wall Street anti regulation lobbyist for Wall Street (appointed by Republican Frank Church when the Republicans became the majority in the House).

          • 1 vote
          #1.47 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:57 AM EST
          Jim44

          Nicey

          Do you have to Drive everyday to work? Because I have news for you those of us that do ... $1 to $1.50 per gal more will devastate most people I know...

          I live in a rural area commute everyday and it will take a huge chunk of my otherwise expendable money...

          High unemployment actually means we consume less gas.

          I know you don't mean that as a positive thing but that still effects peoples ability to even look for work... Which is really not a good thing for improving the overall situation...

          And as for my use of OK I didn't mean anything with that meaning you were making light of the situation...

          • 3 votes
          #1.48 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:10 PM EST
          ABO Warrior

          HEY DUMBASSES......BIG BANKS (SUPRISE) and SPECULATORS are more to blame so how about going after them for a change.

          Sorry pertidish: after they way Obama treated mortgage companies and went around threatening them and passing laws to punish them for the evils he perceived they were doing, he is a hypocrite for not treating oil companies the same way. The truth is that he doesn't mind that oil is going as he sees it as a way to curb energy use which is a huge lefty goal of his. And he's too stupid and arrogant to foresee the effect on his reelection.

          • 2 votes
          #1.49 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:23 PM EST
          Carl Lafoon

          I have an problem with some of the Logic in these posts.

          In a free market economy the price is set by supply and demand.

          If we have MORE Gasoline in the US and we are Using LESS gasoline in the US why are we paying more Dollars for Gas.

          If we find someone is manuplating the price of Gas then I suspect we have laws that will deal with that problem. If I were an investigator I would look for someone named KOCH.

            #1.50 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:07 PM EST
            JC-1439099

            They have held investigations on numerous occasions and consistently find that there is nobody manipulating gas prices.

            The price rise is likely due to a LIFO pricing model. The price you are paying at the pump is based on the current price of oil, not the price it was when the first barrel was put into the holding tank.

            • 1 vote
            #1.51 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:13 PM EST
            Jimster

            Higher gas prices cloud Obama's re-election hopes

            Could? If you put "could" into any sentence it gives it the air of possibility with out measuring the LIKELIHOOD of the assertion happening.

            In this case, the likelihood is so low that it makes the article a load of horse@!$%#.

            Anyone else sick of AP's jingoistic tripe?

            • 2 votes
            #1.52 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:28 PM EST
            GaryColumbus

            I'd say higher gas prices should hurt all Republicans more than Democrats since they're the ones in bed with Big Oil and their Wall Street speculators. Democrats should crow about that all over the media all the way to victory on that one! Can you say Republican Koch suckers?!? {:-)~

            • 1 vote
            #1.53 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:47 PM EST
            Dreama

            "Only in politics do people root for bad news, do they greet bad news so enthusiastically," Obama said of Republicans. "You pay more; they're licking their chops."

            So True!! That's why in almost every campaign speech of Obama's in 2008 we heard how Bush policies were to blame for skyrocketing gas prices. Remember? In case you don't you can see this video of Nancy Pelosi blaming Bush policies for gas when it went to 3.49 a gallon in her district http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbzzeuYJteY

            3.49?? Really it's 3.81 here. Thats for (87) regular el cheapo gas..can't afford the high octane.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M1WlV7vafk - Obama talking about Bush's energy policy and the fact that he would rather have gas prices increase gradually so that Americans can get used to paying higher prices..also it paints a better light on "Green" energy policy if we are getting hurt at the pump.

            So our President really doesn't care that gas prices are ridiculous as long as he can use it to push his green energy agenda. Gee Thanks! I'm sick to death of all of them....RON PAUL 2012!!

            • 5 votes
            #1.54 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:16 PM EST
            ZeroX

            It's not so much that gas/oil is getting expensive, it's the fact that our currency is being devalued. Purposefully. The dollar buys less and less and less. But the pinheads in the federal government don't count energy prices when calculating inflation. And the even tinier pinheads in the media don't understand what that really means, nor will they tell you that permanently expensive gas is a desirable goal of the Obumbles administration (see Energy Secretary Chu's remarks that he wants $8/gallon gas). We'll be lucky to survive a one term Obumble presidency.

            • 5 votes
            #1.55 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:10 PM EST
            Dreama

            It's not so much that gas/oil is getting expensive, it's the fact that our currency is being devalued

            Exactly! But you can't talk about that...it's crazy talk, you get labeled a nut. It can't possibly happen to the US, our dollar will never fail.....

            • 2 votes
            #1.56 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:28 PM EST
            Phil-1006700

            A great leader would do something instead of trying to pass the buck. Obama can do something if he wanted to. Yes we would drill for as much oil as we can. Then tell the oil companies that the fuel prices will be $2 a gallon both for gas and diesel. Next the oil companies can export all the fuel they want to. It's a world market and they want in it . If the oil companies don't go along with it then a export tax would be thrown on the fuels that they export. make it a tax where it wouldn't be profitable to export, America first. Like the people on FOX say"It's our oil that the oil companies are exporting"

            • 2 votes
            #1.57 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:36 PM EST
            xrayspex

            The only reason President Obama HAS re-election hopes is because the Republicans came up with a combination of stiffs, stooges and one guy who combines Ike, Ronnie and Mahatma (who I probably agree with on more issues than any Presidential candidate, but disagree on the sadly most important one, Defense) to run for President. The slug fest that's gonna overtake our airwaves the next few months will be more expensive and nasty than any expensive and nasty slug fest before, and that's a truly sad statement !!

            The sad thing is, Republicans could put their #1 stiff, Romney out there and walk away with this if the economy tanks (again)!! Instead, fear of Massachusetts and likely some bias against the Mormon faith means they are ready to try the nearly unelectable Santorum on for size, a move sure to put a smile back on the face of the President if it happens !!

              #1.58 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:55 PM EST
              Jim44

              I'd say higher gas prices should hurt all Republicans more than Democrats since they're the ones in bed with Big Oil and their Wall Street speculators.

              We Conservatives really hope you are their stratigist ...

              I would be running none stop Obama's clips of when he was running for president about how he had the answers ...and now almost 4 years later... Yep he did really well... Gas up over 100%

              That Democrats are just as in bed with Wall Street and Big business ...Campagin donations are public record ...

              Yea run on that....PLEASE!!!!

              • 4 votes
              #1.59 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:11 PM EST
              chitownty

              And he'll still win because all the Republicans have is "war on religion",and "class warfare" or whatever other crap Frank Luntz tells them to say.

              • 2 votes
              #1.60 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:17 PM EST
              Dreama

              "class warfare"

              That's all Obama baby! He's the one spouting bull@!$%# that the rich don't pay their fair share every time you turn on the TV. No. Class warfare is the Dems platform.

              • 2 votes
              #1.61 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:43 PM EST
              Tony Wlliams

              Keep Dreaming Dreama

              When the middle class is paying 30% in taxes and the extreme wealthy is paying less than 15% it isn't class warfare it's called WELFARE for the wealthy. If I can pay 30% then so an their crybaby arse.

              • 1 vote
              #1.62 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:56 PM EST
              JC-1439099

              Tony,

              The middle class isn't paying 30% in taxes. Did you know that someone (married and filing jointly) making $380,000 in taxable income (35% tax bracket) would pay taxes of $102,872 which is an effective tax rate of 27.07 percent. To pay 30% in taxes you would have to make $603,000 per year in taxable income, which would make you part of the 1%, not middle class.

              The truth is that someone (married and filing jointly) that makes $60,000 (15% tax bracket) would pay $8,150 in taxes, which is an effective tax rate of 13.58 percent. And, for someone (married and filing jointly) that makes $75,000 (25% tax bracket) they would pay $11,000 in taxes, which is an effective tax rate of 14.67 percent.

              If you want to verify the calculations, there is a tax calculator available at http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm

              Furthermore, the 15% tax rate that people pay on long-term capital gains investments applies to everyone - not just the wealthy. Many of the very wealthy pay more than 15% because they have taxable income from other sources, such as a salary.

              It is NOT welfare for the wealthy. It IS class warfare

              • 1 vote
              #1.63 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:45 AM EST
              dEd Grimley

              Mitt Romney has come out and said he paid about 15%. His returns showed something like 13%. I make about 30k, and I pay about 28%. Now, I don't exploit a bunch of loopholes, and maybe that's what Romney does, nor do I use my already amassed wealth to make money on capital gains, but it seems to me that your numbers don't add up.

              • 2 votes
              #1.64 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:51 PM EST
              JC-1439099

              dEd,

              If you are paying 28% on $30,000 of taxable income you need to fire whoever does your taxes (apologies if you do it yourself). Assuming you are married and filing jointly, you would be in the 15% tax bracket and your taxes should be about $3,650, giving you an effective tax rate of 12.17 percent. You would pay 10 percent on the first $17,000 and 15 percent on everything over that (up to $69,000).

              Remember, taxable income and earned income are not the same. Deductions for things like charitable contributions and medical expenses are taken from earned income to arrive at the taxable income figure. This applies to Romney, just as it would anyone else, so he pays tax on the lower amount, which results in a lower effective tax rate.

              • 1 vote
              #1.65 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:17 PM EST
              Tony Wlliams

              Here is what it's suppose to be:

              Tax BracketMarried Filing JointlySingle

              10% Bracket
              $0 – $17,400
              $0 – $8,700

              15% Bracket
              $17,400 – $70,700
              $8,700 – $35,350

              25% Bracket
              $70,700 – $142,700
              $35,350 – $85,650

              28% Bracket
              $142,700 – $217,450
              $85,650 – $178,650

              33% Bracket
              $217,450 – $388,350
              $178,650 – $388,350

              35% Bracket
              Over $388,350
              Over $388,350

              forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2011/09/30/2012-federal-income-tax-brackets-irs-tax-rates/

              Now here is the reality:

              Super rich paying less in taxes

              thenewstribune.com/2011/04/18/1630426/super-rich-paying-less-in-taxes.html

                #1.66 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:13 PM EST
                JC-1439099

                So, after reviewing the tax tables, are you still standing by your claim that you are middle class and paying 30% in taxes?

                  #1.67 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:01 PM EST
                  Tony Wlliams

                  I own my own Business so what do you think?

                  I see the reality everyday and I get stuck in meetings everyday with those who whine about how much they pay. The problem is they whine about the amount they pay vs what someone who makes less than them pays. Now imagine your sitting in a room hearing this clown whine that they paid $45,000 but they made over $375,000. Now imagine how it sounds to the person who made less than $45,000.

                  They cry about the amount they paid day in and day out but when you look at the total earned by them vs the total earned by the lower class and what each has paid as a percent of their total income. The one making less is paying more as a percentage. The one making less can't even take advantage of the same tax breaks so they pay the full amount. The one making more gets a tax break, then claims a right off, and then claims yet another right off. The first right off was for more than the the person who made 45,000 even earned an the second might be for even more.

                    #1.68 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 5:06 PM EST
                    JC-1439099

                    I own my own Business so what do you think?

                    I think that there is no possible way that you are middle class and paying 30% in income taxes. I'm glad to hear that you own your own business (my wife and I own a small manufacturing business too), but what does that have to do with whether you are middle class and paying a 30% income tax rate?

                    • 1 vote
                    #1.69 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 5:25 PM EST
                    Tony Wlliams

                    Upper Middle Class and I own a small IT company.

                    Thing is I know for a fact that I could be paying at lot less in taxes. I have that option and can use it Legally whenever I feel like it. The reason I don't is because people who work for me can't do it and I know that they are the reason my Company will stay afloat.

                    I could write off my entire office on my personnel taxes instead of keeping them separate.

                      #1.70 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST
                      JC-1439099

                      I fail to understand how you paying less income tax would possibly have any effect on the people working for you. If anything, it seem like keeping the money, rather than sending it to the government, would give you more money to invest in your company.

                        #1.71 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 11:03 AM EST
                        Tony Wlliams

                        I own it but instead of using it for my personnel taxes I use the company taxes for the company. I pay what every American that can't take the advantage I could pays because I'm no better or worse than anyone else. Just because someone can do something it doesn't make that something right.

                        Men do not differ much about what things they will call evils; they differ enormously about what evils they will call excusable.

                        G.K. Chesterton

                          #1.72 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 3:08 PM EST
                          JC-1439099

                          I really have no idea what you mean by "I use the company taxes for the company" - you don't "use" taxes for anything, you pay taxes. And what possible reason would you have to not take advantage of your lawful tax deductions? It certainly doesn't make you better or worse than anyone else just because you take the deductions you're entitled to.

                            #1.73 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 3:39 PM EST
                            Tony Wlliams

                            It's simple I file them separately and the refund for the business goes right back into the business account. That money is never ever used for anything personnel.

                            Now entitlement is another issue thus the quote above. Just because I make more does it mean that I should be seen faster when I see a Doctor? Should a cop not right me the same ticket for speeding that he writes the person on welfare? Should I be allowed to cut in line at the movies just because I can buy more items at the concession stand? If you answered no to any of the above then how can you say yes to a tax break that others cannot have?

                              #1.74 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 4:13 PM EST
                              JC-1439099

                              That's what I thought. Your personal income taxes and the business income tax are two separate things. Am I correct that you do not pay 28% income tax on the 30K you take in salary? What the business may or may not pay is a separate issue, which I assume must be incorporated since you are not including it on your personal taxes.

                              You're not entitled to see a doctor quicker. You're not entitled to get out of a ticket. You're not entitled to cut in line at the movies. You ARE entitled to deduct your mortgage interest when computing your taxes.

                                #1.75 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 4:40 PM EST
                                Tony Wlliams

                                Yes I deduct my mortage but surprise I'm not incorporated. I started it with just me and hired others to help me a year later as the request became to much for just me. With'in 3 years I had 15 people working for me and now I have 30. You could try to hire anyone one of them away from me and you wouldn't stand a chance even if you offered them double.

                                  #1.76 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 4:58 PM EST
                                  JC-1439099

                                  Sounds like you have a great thing going. I know that loyalty is very important in our industry (I'm the Director of Software Development for a small company). Having insitutional memory walk out the door can really take it's toll, especially if you have someone in the middle of a project. Fortunately, everyone at my company has been here for 10 years or more.

                                  I'm a little surprised that you can keep your business and personal taxes separate the way you say you do. My wife and I have to include the business on Schedule C when we file.

                                    #1.77 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:11 PM EST
                                    Tony Wlliams

                                    Not that hard really.

                                    If you place yourself as an hourly employee drawing wages then you get a W-2. By drawing a salary and re-investing the company profits right back into the company you can grow your business even faster. Your Company account is also your fallback for when business is slow. You can take care of payroll and other expenses without dipping into your personnel account. It also helps to avoid the temptation of using company funds as personnel funds. In short you own it but you also work as your own employee. The people working for you see that your doing the same work your asking them to do.

                                      #1.78 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:53 PM EST
                                      Reply
                                      BURGUNDY1222

                                      The president has absolutely no control of gas prices!!! look at the troubles in the middle east, wall st.& the oil companies for the correct answer

                                      Republicans are still blaming this President for all the worlds troubles,Glad he's a real christian,He turns the other cheek.

                                      • 9 votes
                                      Reply#2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:55 PM EST
                                      Colodomom

                                      Not to mention that the world reached "peak oil" years ago.

                                      Why doesn't the GOP realize that since we no longer have dinosaurs and pre-historic plants PRODUCING oil...it will run out...it IS a finite resource.

                                      Oh wait...that's right, there's some big mix-up between religion and dinosaurs...

                                      now I understand the problem.

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #2.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:57 PM EST
                                      mstanley2265

                                      More than likely the problem is the refineries. They switching to summer blend. Happens Every year...they know it. But makes for a good sound bite, until others call them on it. sighh.

                                      IMO that the Feds need to get after the speculators and traders But Congess is twiddling their thumbs about any regulations in that Direction.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #2.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:00 PM EST
                                      DS12

                                      I have to wonder if this is a response to oil entitlements subsidies reduction talk?

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #2.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:00 PM EST
                                      Chuck1968

                                      Ah the "we didnt get our Keystone pipeline , so we are going to punish you through gas price increases"

                                      maybe so , the oil tycoons certainly are the type to do just that. 1869 -Fisk and Gould tried to corner the gold market and nearly did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_%281869%29

                                      It would be interesting to see whose money is being bet on crude oil.

                                      • 8 votes
                                      #2.4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:05 PM EST
                                      scott-1148057

                                      Republicans are still blaming this President for all the worlds troubles,Glad he's a real christian,He turns the other cheek.......ha ha , thats a good one, Christian, really acts like one!!

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #2.5 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:32 PM EST
                                      voxrationis

                                      More than likely the problem is the refineries. They switching to summer blend. Happens Every year...they know it.

                                      Nope, too early. That is still coming. Ouch! A long way to November. All sorts of pitfalls await.

                                      Are you prepared to live in a Far Right America (or, to head for the hills?)

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #2.6 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:03 PM EST
                                      mstanley2265

                                      They start cutting back prior to shutdown. Usual nonsense. SALT LAKE CITY — Gasoline retailers say they're feeling tighter supplies and higher prices as several of Utah's oil refineries hold back supplies in anticipation of shutting down operations for maintenance in March. Tesoro Corp., which operates Utah's largest refinery, played down the impact of the shutdown, saying it comes every year. The company said its North Salt refinery will shut down from March 5 to April 2.

                                      Plus the some refineries are closing permanently. That's like really gonna help

                                      Sunoco and ConocoPhillips Decide to Shut Down Three Oil Refineries on East Coast Sunoco and ConocoPhillips have arbitrarily decided to shut down three oil refineries on the East Coast, near Philadelphia, Pa. All three refineries are USW workplaces according to a report by the United Steel Workers Union Tuesday.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #2.7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:30 PM EST
                                      mountainmike-1199289

                                      Cantor Promises Oil Speculators That GOP Will Block Financial Regulations
                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXJR7eZ_jQ

                                      Straight from the horse's weasel's mouth with no editorializing.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #2.8 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:37 PM EST
                                      mstanley2265

                                      They have Got to Hate the Internet...LOL Fact Check away....

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #2.9 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:01 PM EST
                                      Dreama

                                      The president has absolutely no control of gas prices!!! look at the troubles in the middle east, wall st.& the oil companies for the correct answer

                                      So I guess it wasn't president Bush and his cronie oil buddies in 2008? I thought it was all Bush's fault.... Someone needs to let Old Nancy know that..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbzzeuYJteY

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #2.10 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST
                                      Jim44

                                      And those type videos should be what Republicans show be reminding the American people of ...

                                      How when Bush was in charge they said one thing and now they sing a different tune...

                                      Show the Hypocrisy ..... Two Faced politicians and their double standard of accountability... Average Americans understand that crap because we deal with it in our real lives and everyone can relate... To the jerk that blames everyone but them self and you put then in charge and they still blame everyone except themselves...

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #2.11 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:18 PM EST
                                      rose-231178

                                      On topic, but not off debate

                                      Can we quit blowing up mountain tops-windmills would produce more given the subsidies oil companies have (my opinion)

                                      Put solar panels Back on the White House

                                      Put solar "grass" -just found out about that one a couple of weeks ago-and working on it.

                                      Wind and

                                      Solar all the way...

                                      especially since one of the 2012 scenario's are solar flairs:)

                                      Side note and off discussion

                                      personally I think Gov't will use the 2012 scenario to cause "apocalyptic" front (oh my God, we are out of fuel), to get religious vote. Personally, if the religious people go for their "right" cause, I think I have seen their "evil" come to fruition, and they would have led the charge.

                                        #2.12 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:30 PM EST
                                        mymymy

                                        Rose @ 2.12

                                        I think you should see the joys of a wind farm up close.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #2.13 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:35 PM EST
                                        Reply
                                        Jeremiah-2094437

                                        LOL...

                                        DON'T INVADE!!!!

                                        but ... uh .. keep our gas prices low....

                                        WTF America?

                                        Cake, and eat it too?

                                          Reply#3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:58 PM EST
                                          rose-231178

                                          Nationalize our oil.

                                          Oh that is right, we must privatize everything, right? Free market?

                                          Answer -capatalist until they F@!k up. Than we "Socialize debt.

                                          Hussain, evil as he was, wanted to Nationalize his oil.

                                          Consequence-dead

                                          Mubarac, wanted to trade in tangible assets-gold.

                                          Consequence-dead. (Hearing mixed reports on that)

                                          Syria and Iran (though both on the, must defeat list by our corporate government) I am still watching.

                                          Go GREEN!

                                            #3.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:51 PM EST
                                            Dreama

                                            Go GREEN!

                                            LMAO! High gas prices does help push the "green" agenda doesn't it?

                                              #3.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:09 AM EST
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                                              Chuck1968

                                              time to make oil a public utility.

                                              These same Wall Street "investors" who crashed the economy via derivatives are going to destroy the economy through oil speculation. they can literally bid it up as high as they want to whose going to stop them? what businesses are going to suddenly stop distributing goods due to higher prices?

                                              We should not allow the unproductive Wall Street mafias to wreck the economy again.

                                              • 10 votes
                                              Reply#4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:03 PM EST
                                              Arkansas Gloria

                                              I agree, Chuck, with post $4. Tired of it!

                                              We should not allow the unproductive Wall Street mafias to wreck the economy again.

                                              These rich Wall Street-Speculators, Oil Kings- thugs- had better start looking up the term- Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, as the American population, young, old and middle aged alike- have been dancing to the tune played on them since 2005 and before. 7 years, and more, if one counts back to 401K's beginning to take hits... I think it is time to give the people a little breathing room and rest, before the next mugging takes place!! They are liable to begin fighting back!!!

                                              • 6 votes
                                              #4.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:25 PM EST
                                              JC-1439099

                                              what businesses are going to suddenly stop distributing goods due to higher prices?

                                              Those that go out of business......

                                                #4.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:00 AM EST
                                                Jim44

                                                what businesses are going to suddenly stop distributing goods due to higher prices?

                                                Independent Truck Drivers that can't afford the fuel without raising the cost of freight hauling? And in turn those companies that can't afford higher shipping costs ...

                                                Really are those not logical....

                                                  #4.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:16 PM EST
                                                  Lola-Ohio

                                                  We won't lose anymore small businesses here. There weren't any left after the last Republican administration. Only 4 bars, 100 churches, and a big Walmart.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #4.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:42 PM EST
                                                  Jim44

                                                  Sorry Lola sounds a bit fishy ... Bars and Churches do not and can not survive without money .... and the Walmart isn't paying for everything...

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #4.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:00 PM EST
                                                  rose-231178

                                                  Lola, sounds like the town I live in. 3000 people and at least 8 churches, but down to about 4 bars. The numbers use to be just about equal.

                                                  As for Wal-Mart, they went super store.

                                                    #4.6 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:34 PM EST
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                                                    Sharon J-1312993

                                                    Only to people who believe that any POTUS has any control over gas prices. These are the ones to stupid to do any research on their own. They are the ones that irk me. Even my damn brother who works with the oil/gas companies says it. But then again he lives in Texas and voted for Bush twice. You really can not fix ignorant but I get tired of the BS about Obama and gas prices. These fools vote whcih is why the TP got its votes. Now we must take out damn country back from these looney tunes.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    Reply#5 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:11 PM EST
                                                    mountainmike-1199289

                                                    The Real Reason Gas Prices Are Soaring
                                                    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/03/28/the-real-reason-gas-prices-are-soaring/

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #5.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:39 PM EST
                                                    Arkansas Gloria

                                                    mountainmike: I went to that article, and here is one tiny clip from it.... (from post #5.1)

                                                    So if gas prices would come down sharply with minimal regulation, why doesn't the government step in and impose limitations as it has done recently for other derivatives, forcing most firms to conduct their trading on exchanges? Dicker believes it is largely because large financial firms with a direct interest in oil trading have made so much money with oil that they can afford to lobby Congress to block any significant reforms.

                                                    I also saw that Goldman and big banks were making huge amounts of money- and it is all done at the expense of our lives and livelihoods. Isn't it time that we go to demanding a voice- to be heard above the Wall Street traders?? Haven't we had enough? Maybe we need to call for a national day of protest- perhaps like April 15th, or so.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #5.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:35 PM EST
                                                    mountainmike-1199289

                                                    Arkansas Gloria:

                                                    Matt Taibbi in his article "The Great American Bubble Machine" on page 5 clearly points to Goldman Sachs changing speculation rules to allow for this oil speculation to happen. If we were to BAN oil and food speculation, it would be an instant bail out of Main Street requiring no taxpayer money. It would cut costs in half.

                                                    Someone always responds with "that can be done." Yes it can. Go back and read the history of speculation and its origins with crops and agriculture. Then there is currently a rule on the books that says the Commodities and Futures Trading Commission should eliminate all forces on the market and influencing prices other than the natural supply and demand. That specifically highlights this speculation as illegal.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #5.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:22 AM EST
                                                    LCS

                                                    Mountainmike

                                                    Well go to the FEC Federal Election Commission websight, 2008 and check who Goldman Sacs, AIG, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, donate to. Obama and democrats are the biggest recipients, and they sure love Obama.

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    #5.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:36 AM EST
                                                    mountainmike-1199289

                                                    LCS:

                                                    This is how Wall Street plays the donation game. Check their timing on those donations. All polls were showing Obama in the lead and Democrats in general in the lead and headed for a majority in both houses of congress. Who has the most power to create or stop legislation? Democrats. The fact is, they also donated to John McCain to hedge their bet.

                                                    Then the banking reform legislation started and Wall Street executives/lobbyists met with both Mitch McConnell and John Boehner in large groups to arrange for the wholesale sell out of Republicans for the obstruction of regulation of the financial industry. They were being paid to demand compromises to water down the legislation and to sabotage regulatory agencies.

                                                    And John McCain got almost all of the donations from Big Oil. He needed campaign money and changed his position from being against offshore drilling to being for offshore drilling. Millions of dollars flooded into his campaign after that.

                                                    The bottom line here is that it is unrealistic to expect or party to unilaterally quit taking corporate money while the other is bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars from corporations, SuperPacs. Money buys ads on TV, radio and the internet and that means sheer volume of public exposure. Everyone with few exceptions takes money.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #5.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:57 AM EST
                                                    rose-231178

                                                    Thank you Mountain!

                                                    I think that is why I like you. You keep a cool head and tell it like it is. I reason out but tend to comment most when I have just had enough of the,

                                                    stuff.

                                                      #5.6 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:43 PM EST
                                                      dEd Grimley

                                                      Hey mountainmike, I gotta question for you... You know, and I know you know, how futile it is to try to explain something to LCS, so why did you just put all of that effort into trying? He's just here to troll, don't waste your energy.

                                                        #5.7 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:49 PM EST
                                                        LCS

                                                        ded grimley

                                                        Who is a troll? As a matter a fact the way you judge, the same will be measured to you. Instead of pointing make yourself useful. Go and pull the letter 2006 signed by 19 senators, stating we better do something about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, or face dire consequences. This was sent up to the inept Pelosi clan. BTW not one democrat signed the bill. Chop chop, lets get to it.

                                                          #5.8 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:17 AM EST
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                                                          lambnlions

                                                          Higher gas prices means, food cost more to plant and harvest. It means it cost more to bring not just food but other goods to you. It also means you're not just paying more a the pump, you're paying more all around. I smell a lets drill in our national park areas for profit..ops.. I mean for the better of the nation speech coming around the corner. Ops.. thats bogus, he said no drilling in the Gulf after the Florida Alabama & Louisiana coastal mess up, but turned and give that right to a company in South America to do, so as to not look like its an American sanctioned thing, so. What ever they do, you can bet, once again, its you who get screw.AAAAccchooow~... pardon me.

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          Reply#6 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:13 PM EST
                                                          Covah

                                                          you're not just paying more a the pump, you're paying more all around.

                                                          Rising gas prices were a contributor to 1970s inflation. After Saddam Hussein invaded Iran, those countries dumped oil to raise quick cash for the war, collapsing oil price for two decades.

                                                          If you want lower fuel cost, get a CNG or electric car.

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          #6.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:08 AM EST
                                                          mountainmike-1199289

                                                          I agree with the point that higher gas prices means everything dependent on transport, farming, etc will cost more because of oil/gas consumption. But the facts point to gas at the pump being doubled by speculators during oil/gas price spikes. That typically looks like Wall Streety guys walking around the stock exchange hooked into a super fast computer by way of a small laptop type device. They will typically buy and sell oil back and for two dozen or more times before it reaches the pump as gas. That means they make more per barrel of oil that the producers of that oil.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          #6.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:00 AM EST
                                                          lambnlions

                                                          Covah,

                                                          with 2 rigs, 2 reefer 3 cars bet your very soul I want gas down, but understand, either way, youz (gernalizing) pay; that is , if you want to eat, and or what ever in your normalized life

                                                          mountainmike,

                                                          But the facts point to gas at the pump being doubled by speculators during oil/gas price spikes.

                                                          Oh you mean the guys sitting on Wall Street.

                                                          Oh pardon me, you're like a folder ahead of the game already.....

                                                          hat typically looks like Wall Streety guys walking around the stock exchange hooked into a super fast computer by way of a small laptop type device. They will typically buy and sell oil back and for two dozen or more times before it reaches the pump as gas. That means they make more per barrel of oil that the producers of that oil.

                                                          Once again, the very people our money went out to help(Obama lost my vote for that alone), are bending us over and royally flogging us. I think I'll take out my engine and replace it with a mule, I'd get way better mileage on grass not gas.

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          #6.3 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:32 AM EST
                                                          lambnlions

                                                          Lets face facts people? These people creating and wanting to push any policy that might raise fuel cost, and those fighting to make the proverbial ends meats, they only hurts the American majority of poor, claiming on Americas behalf, when its clear its about their money making (Wall Street- Banks, etc.. They don't feel the pinch! Remember that!

                                                            #6.4 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 6:48 PM EST
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                                                            IndependentVoter

                                                            Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.

                                                            Steven Chu , US Energy Secretary

                                                            This might be one policy of this Admin that seems to be working.

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            Reply#7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:24 PM EST
                                                            jawill11

                                                            It's really easy to paste one sentence that may or may not be in context.

                                                            Now for the hard part: Why don't you explain which policies enacted by this President had significant impacts on the price of gas and why.

                                                            • 7 votes
                                                            #7.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:19 PM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            ‘Perhaps 60% of today’s oil price is pure speculation’

                                                            http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=8878&context=va

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            #7.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:43 PM EST
                                                            lambnlions

                                                            Its not speculation, its out right robbery. What are you going to do, stop working, going to the store, complain to a Congress person, who can't do squat, etc., in such an already tough time? Like the rest of the world, we'll just have to suck air, tighten belt and buy less. Spend it on a radio for the house.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #7.3 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:37 AM EST
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                                                            Dean Moriarty

                                                            Just the tip of the inflationary iceberg Obama and helicopter Ben unleashed on us with QE-1 and QE-2.

                                                            Throw the bum out Nobama 2012.

                                                            • 7 votes
                                                            Reply#8 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:33 PM EST
                                                            rose-231178

                                                            Oops, minus a vote for DM.

                                                            Twitchy fingers when the Fed is mentioned.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #8.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:59 PM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            And which party is owned by the Koch brothers/Big Oil. REPUBLICANS!!! Leave it up to Republicans and they will deregulate the oil industry and we'll have $10 a gallon gas with no Nobama to blame.

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            #8.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:46 PM EST
                                                            Covah

                                                            Leave it up to Republicans and they will deregulate the oil industry and we'll have $10 a gallon gas

                                                            Yep. You will pay ten bucks a gallon and like it! You got a problem with the free market? You got a problem with huge corporations bribing politicians and fleecing the public? No problem at all for a Republican.

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            #8.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:11 AM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            That's just it - its not a FREE market. Its costing the non rich trillions of dollars due to corporate white collar criminals set loose with deregulation. We have PREDATORY Capitalism in America today, not the free market capitalism of Adam Smith and the 1700's United Kingdom.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #8.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:25 AM EST
                                                            LCS

                                                            Mountainmike

                                                            Wrong. The taxing of business until they go out of business or move to China, cost us. Also if you downloand the 911 commission report, read pages 110-111, the Sudanese offered Usama Bin Laden to Clinton, however Clinton was to busy with Monica. How many American Lives lost, how many trillions, were spent hunting down this monster, thanks to a democrat.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #8.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:42 AM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            Wrong.

                                                            How Our Largest Corporations Made $170 Billion During Great Recession And Paid No Taxes

                                                            http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/06/01/how-our-largest-corporations-made-170-billion-during-great-recession-and-paid-no-taxes/

                                                            Yesterday, I wrote about how the GOP is falsely pushing the argument that America’s corporations are overtaxed. I included some great data courtesy of conservative commentator Bruce Bartlett whose New York Times piecedid an extraordinary job of putting the lie to the Republican assertions.

                                                            Today, and not a moment too soon, the non-profit Citizens For Tax Justice (CTJ) has put out their findings revealing that twelve of the nations largest Fortune 500 companies, while making $170 billion in profits during the period of The Great Recession, paid an effective tax rate of negative 1.5%.

                                                            Yes, you read that correctly.

                                                            Not only have these twelve companies paid zero in taxes for the years 2008-2010, they actually received tax subsidies that added $62.4 billion to their bottom lines.

                                                            The companies were chosen by the CTJ to represent a range of industries, including manufacturing, energy, services, transportation and high tech and include – in alphabetical order – American Electric Power, Boeing, Dupont, Exxon Mobil, FedEx, General Electric, Honeywell International, IBM, United Technologies, Verizon Communications, Wells Fargo and Yahoo.

                                                            Here are the bullet points presented by the report:

                                                            • From 2008 through 2010, these 12 companies reported $171 billion in pretax U.S. profits. But as a group, their federal income taxes were negative: –$2.5 billion.
                                                            • All but two of the dozen companies enjoyed at least one no-tax year over the 2008-10 period, despite reporting substantial pretax U.S. profits in those no-tax years.
                                                            • Eight of the twelve companies reported net tax benefits over the full three-year period.

                                                            According to the study, not a single one of these companies paid an amount even close to the 35% statutory tax rate.

                                                            In fact, the tax rate paid by Exxon Mobile, when spread over the full three years, was only 14.2% – a full 60% below the 35% rate that corporations are supposed to be paying. And if we take a look at what Exxon paid over just the past two years, it totals a mere 0.4% on their pre-tax profits of $9.9 billion.

                                                            This blog is based on this research:

                                                            12 Corporations Pay Effective Tax Rate of Negative 1.5 on 171 Billion in Profits

                                                            http://www.scribd.com/doc/56809745/12-Corporations-Pay-Effective-Tax-Rate-of-Negative-1-5-on-171-Billion-in-Profits

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #8.6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:09 AM EST
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                                                            AlphaDogReporter

                                                            The big 5 oil companies made a collective $683 billion in profits over the last six years. 2011 set a profit record. If anyone things they are going to jeopardize that by lowering gas prices, they are deluding themselves. They are private companies; what do people expect Obama to do, tell them they have to sell their oil and gas here for less than what the world market price is?

                                                            The U.S. is a net exporter of petroleum products, including GASOLINE, meaning they are producing more of those products than is being sold domestically. Demand for gasoline in the U.S. is down, while at the same time production is UP. Hasn't done a thing for lowering gas prices.

                                                            The GOP is so far off on this issue it's laughable, but their base will eat it up.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            Reply#9 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:33 PM EST
                                                            RobPlumley

                                                            Your correct. Oil by itself is useless, and where we should be focusing on is the end-product.

                                                            However, when greed steps in and speculative markets unleash a flurry of high prices, there's not much you can do.

                                                            If there is proof of collusion, then it's a different ball game, and the executive branch can do something about it.

                                                            President Obama was on target criticizing anyone that is happy that this is going on.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #9.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:42 PM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            The Dodd-Frank banking reform bill empowers the Commodities and Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) to eliminate everything but the natural market forces of supply and demand. The CFTC is failing to do its job. Any random accident that almost all of the commissioners in this regulatory agency are ex Wall Street executives and Republican?

                                                            Then you have this blatant act of regulation sabotage:

                                                            Lobbyist In Charge Of ‘Trying To Kill’ Financial Reform Hired By GOP Chair To Oversee Financial Regulation

                                                            Dec 26, 2010

                                                            A few days ago, incoming Agriculture Chairman Rep. Frank Lucas (R-OK) announced the hire of Ryan McKee as the senior staffer to oversee the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. McKee is currently a lobbyistworking for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s division dedicated to deregulating complex derivatives products. In her new role working for Lucas, McKee will be liaising with regulators in charge of implementing new rules under the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law to overhaul the over-the-counter derivatives market.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #9.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:16 AM EST
                                                            Dreama

                                                            The big 5 oil companies made a collective $683 billion in profits over the last six years. 2011 set a profit record

                                                            I found this to be interesting.

                                                            http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/2011/04/27/gasoline-taxes-vs-exxon-profit-per-gallon/

                                                            According to Exxon the Gov makes a bigger "profit" on gas than the oil co's do.

                                                            So if the oil co's made 600 billion, did the gov rake in 900 billion, a trillion? I haven't had alot of time to dig up a bunch of info..I just thought it was interesting to see. IF the Gov does in fact make that much money money when gas is higher....seems like they would want to keep gas prices higher, it's more money for the Fed. Gov as well as for the State and Local Governments.

                                                            I guess our Government is just as bad as those greedy oil co's who actually have to pay employees, equipment, transportation, storage, refine it, etc. What does the Gov do? collect taxes on it. Wish I could just sit and force people to pay me a tax..yeah, greed is right. The Gov is just as greedy as the rest of them.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #9.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:17 PM EST
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                                                            A. Commentator

                                                            The minions of Faux viewers will believe that the president can reduce gas prices, just like his birth certificate was fake. It is like the Carter years all over again, and the neocons are behind the scenes ready to instill a regime change in Iran and Syria. Then with Obama severly beaten and scolded as a one term president, the American hero, will come in, which was Reagan, in Carter's defeat.

                                                            You can forget about peace, there will be more wars, and I am praying, that I live long enough to see God's almighty Justice on these kingdoms, including ours, called the Military War Complex.

                                                            These war hawks and the minions who worship them, need to feel pain in their very own backyard. May God make them feel the very pain they have been inflicting on the innocents in the last 100 years.

                                                            To God be the Glory, not the United States and its unholy alliance with foreign corporations.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            Reply#10 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:35 PM EST
                                                            rose-231178

                                                            A. #10

                                                            Correct, and as I heard with my ears and have seen stated here on newsvine by others, Romney will promote an Iranian war while his "strapping sons" do not serve anywhere let alone on the front lines.

                                                            Wars are not about giving freedom to a people anymore. They are about monetary (whose currency gets used) and oil.

                                                            Hussain, evil as he was, was threatening privatization of oil. Mubarek was talking of trading in gold. As for Iran, any country not under control of W.H.O., I.M.F., C.F.O., etc. is subject to being invaded.

                                                            Yes, I want my country to be top dog, but in this "global" fight... many high rollers out there that would be your best friend.

                                                            They will use us, as we have used and bought, them.

                                                            I started on context but expanded. Sorry, but there is a connection between Oil, who has a say, wars, etc.

                                                            Give me windmills and solar not controlled by oil companies!

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #10.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:20 PM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            I suppose Obama could be "blamed" for pushing sanctions against Iran and its nuclear power/weapons development, but Republicans will not come out openly and criticize such "diplomatic" strategies while apparently advocating war with Iran. That will replace the Iraq multi trillion dollar quagmire with a Iran multi trillion dollar quagmire. And both will essentially be against nations that have not attacked us essentially to secure out access to oil.

                                                            I can't support trading our troops lives for oil and we owe it to our troops to have NO more quagmires.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #10.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:21 AM EST
                                                            Lola-Ohio

                                                            War requires a great deal of oil. I had read something before, that our military is charged $20.00 gallon when they were in Iraq. Somebody is making out like a bandit, both at the pump, subsidies from the taxpayers, and then big bucks through the taxpayers through military contracts as well. We are big oil gluttons and they monopolized US policy for many decades, they now monopolize US energy. This is the outcome of that, now pay for it, folks. That is why the Republicans have fought any renewable energy initiatives with such fervor and it is really their only economic policy. Now blame Obama and the Dems, what a bunch of crooks the GOP is. Pathetic that people would have continued to vote for the R's scorched earth policies, but here is the outcome. And thanks a bunch. There is no free-market, only free-for-all market monopolies, competing against other giants, seeing who can get the biggest government contracts to line a few pockets.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #10.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:40 PM EST
                                                            Dreama

                                                            Pathetic that people would have continued to vote for the R's scorched earth policies, but here is the outcome. And thanks a bunch.

                                                            So it was Bush's fault in 2008 when gas was above 3.50, and it's still Bush's fault now? I see.

                                                            How can that be Lola when everyone else on here is posting links to article after article that the President has no control over gas prices.

                                                            Your right about tax payers subsidizing the oil co's...and then the Gov making billions off of gas taxes. Pick your poison..they are all cut from the same cloth. The Gov, the Oil Co's, Wall Street, investors..THEY are all doing the happy dance because money is raining from the sky for them..they do not care (NO Obama and the Dems don't care either)about the American people.

                                                            Lip Service and Blame, that's all we get..It's the R's fault, NO it's the D's fault, NO it's the T Party, No it's wall street fat cats, NO it's the greedy 1%, NO it's the lazy poor, NO it's the middle class. Makes you want to just scream.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #10.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:45 PM EST
                                                            Lola-Ohio

                                                            Dreama, where was Bush mentioned in my post? The US is an oil glutton and has become oil dependent under Republican policy. You do realize energy has been a major party platform, well since always. Every dunce in America knows The tree-hugger party of Dems have been pushing for alternative and renewable energy policy since Carter. That's why the Republicans have been in power so much over the years, we libs have been fighting for pollution regulations and clean energy initiatives. We also want to protect some of our precious public lands held in the form of National Parks and leave it to our grandchildren. We lost, so shoot me. Otherwise, I don't know what you are talking about. So we have what we have, as a nation. Live with it.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #10.5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:23 PM EST
                                                            Dreama

                                                            Dreama, where was Bush mentioned in my post?

                                                            Ummm....Here.

                                                            War requires a great deal of oil. I had read something before, that our military is charged $20.00 gallon when they were in Iraq.

                                                            Did another president send us to war in Iraq?? No, that's Bush.

                                                            As far as "green" energy is concerned there are lots of R's in the world that are pro green. I am. The problem is getting Green energy to be affordable to the people. It's not cost effective at this particular point in time. The Gov. really has no control over that other than subsidizing it...Solendra anyone??anyone? You see how well that worked. Private industry is ultimately going to be the one that breaks ground with it. Did you know that your hated big oil companies invest millions in alternative energy? They know it's the direction to go..it's just a matter of finding the right path...but keep on hating on them, cuz they are the :man: keeping the little guy down...right.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #10.6 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:36 PM EST
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                                                            southern,comfort

                                                            They don't need to blame the President, the fault belongs to the gasoline corporations CEO's. The president does not set prices, fuel companies do, and store owners. How appropiate to blame someone who can't do a thing about it. Notify your ex- vice president , Cheney's Halliburton and other oil empires that we the people have died to get it out of the middle east. My opinion, if Iraq is paying 25 cents a gallon, WTF are we paying almost 4 dollars a gallon. We have heard just about every excuse for the rising prices at the pump. Why don't they just tell us the truth, 'GREED' is the reason for the new higher prices, because, the job creators need more money to fuel thier "Super Packs."

                                                            • 7 votes
                                                            Reply#11 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:53 PM EST
                                                            McSpocky

                                                            Exactly! Great comment!

                                                            • 6 votes
                                                            #11.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:48 PM EST
                                                            JC-1439099

                                                            The media can sometimes lead you to believe that the price of gas is based solely on the price of crude oil, but there are actually many factors that determine what you pay at the pump. No matter how expensive gas becomes, all of these entities have to get their slice of the pie. According to the U.S. Department of Energy, here's an approximation of where each dollar you spend on gas goes:

                                                            •Taxes: 13 cents
                                                            •Distribution and Marketing: 8 cents
                                                            •Refining: 14 cents
                                                            •Crude oil: 65 cents

                                                            [source: DOE]

                                                            This is what the average breakdown looked like in April 2011. Let's look at those components in more detail.

                                                            • Crude oil - The biggest portion of the cost of gas goes to the crude-oil suppliers. This is determined by the world's oil-exporting nations, particularly the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), which you will learn more about in the next section. The amount of crude oil these countries produce determines the price of a barrel of oil. Crude-oil prices averaged around $35 per barrel (1 barrel = 42 gallons or 158.99 L) in 2004. And, after Hurricane Katrina, some prices were almost double that. In April 2008, crude-oil prices averaged around $104.74 per barrel. During that month, the price of oil reached a record price of almost $120 a barrel [source: DOE]. By May 16, prices had topped $117 per barrel [source: MarketWatch]. On May 22, markets in New York and London reported prices past $135 per barreland, and on July 11, oil hit an all-time high of $147 [source: Forbes, New York Sun]. Analysts speculated that everything from investment in oil futures to increasing demand from countries like India and China contributed to the spike in price.

                                                            Sometimes, gas prices go up even though there is plenty of crude oil on the market. It depends on what kind of oil it is. Oil can be classified as heavy or light, and as sweet or sour (no one actually tastes the oil, that's just what they call it). Light, sweet crude is easier and cheaper to refine, but supplies have been running low. There's plenty of heavy, sour crude available in the world, but refineries, particularly those in the U.S., have to undergo costly retooling to handle it.

                                                            • Refining costs - The cost of refining diesel fuel can be considerably higher than the price of refining regular gasoline. To learn more about oil refining, read How Oil Refining Works.

                                                            • Distribution and marketing - Crude oil is transported to refineries, and gasoline is shipped from the refineries to distribution points and then to gas stations. The price of transportation is passed along to the consumer. Marketing the brand of the oil company is also added into the cost of the gasoline you buy.

                                                            • Taxes - Federal and state governments each place excise taxes on gasoline. There may also be some additional taxes, such as applicable state sales taxes, gross receipts taxes, oil inspection fees, underground storage tank fees and other miscellaneous environmental fees. Add that to the state excise taxes, and it can average 27.4 cents. It could be worse. In Europe, gas prices are far higher than in America because taxes on gas are much higher.

                                                            • Station markup - Of course some of the money you spend at the pump does go to the service station. While some consumers blame high prices on station markup, service stations typically add on a few cents per gallon. There's no set standard for how much gas stations add on to the price. Some may add just a couple of cents, while others may add as much as a dime or more. However, some states have markup laws prohibiting stations from charging less than a certain percentage over invoice from the wholesaler. These laws are designed to protect small, individually-owned gas stations from being driven out of business by large chains that can afford to slash prices at select locations.

                                                            Gas prices also vary from state to state for several reasons. Taxes are probably the biggest factor in the different prices around the country. Additionally, competition among local gas stations can drive prices down. Distance from the oil refineries can also affect prices -- stations closer to the Gulf of Mexico, where many oil refineries are located, have lower gas prices due to lower transportation costs. There are also some regional factors that can affect prices.

                                                            World events, wars and weather can also raise prices. Anything that affects any part of the process, from the moment the oil is drilled, through refining and distribution to your car will result in a change in price. Military conflicts in parts of the world with lots of oil supplies can make it difficult for oil companies to drill and ship crude oil. Hurricanes have damaged offshore drilling platforms, coastal refineries and shipping ports that receive oil tankers. If a tanker itself is lost or damaged, or leaks its oil into the ocean, that will put a dent in the market as well.

                                                            For the full article, please see:

                                                            http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/gas-price.htm

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #11.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:15 AM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            Good, well researched reply!

                                                            If the cost of oil is basically under a buck a gallon, how does it become $4 as gas at the pump? The studies done on speculation indicate as much as 60 percent of that price being accounted for by speculation:

                                                            ‘Perhaps 60% of today’s oil price is pure speculation’

                                                            http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=8878&context=va

                                                            It still does not address speculation on oil or what seems to be price gouging by Big Oil. For example, what would be the price of gas at the pump be right now if Big Oil quit exporting oil to other countries and used 100 percent of American oil for America? It should follow the pattern of supply going up and prices coming down.

                                                            Big Oil and the Koch brothers who are a big part of Big Oil are heavily invested in shale oil, the future of the oil industry. Shale oil will not be cost effective to drill/mine short of $5 a gallon. Is Big Oil trying to inch upward to the point of shale oil being cost effective?

                                                            Is Big Oil exporting oil to other countries for both higher profits and manipulate supply and therefore prices in America?

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #11.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:32 AM EST
                                                            JC-1439099

                                                            If the cost of oil is basically under a buck a gallon, how does it become $4 as gas at the pump?

                                                            If the price per barrel is over $100 (as it is now at around $107) and there are 42 gallons in a barrel, then the cost per gallon is around $2.40 before any refining or transportation costs are included, just to produce the gasoline. Your contention that it is under a buck a gallon is erroneous. The $0.65 for crude is per dollar spent, not per gallon.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #11.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:19 PM EST
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                                                            mighty heidi

                                                            forget Cheney/Halliburton, investigation found nothing, instead concentrate on this obami/solyndras. Today I filled up my gastank, GD you obami, for your incompetence and failed policies.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            Reply#12 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:04 PM EST
                                                            jawill11

                                                            How exactly did anything involving Solyndra impact gas prices?

                                                            • 8 votes
                                                            #12.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:21 PM EST
                                                            McSpocky

                                                            Why do righties have to invent facts to bash the President? because there are no real facts to bash him with. lol President Obama has been doing a great job and they can't stand it.

                                                            • 11 votes
                                                            #12.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:47 PM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            The all out attacks on Solyndra were orchestrated by the Koch brothers and Big Oil. They will use anything they can to attack alternative energy. Why? Because they want to move us in the direction of shale oil, which is the worst of all polluting industries in the world.

                                                            They are attacking the wind power energy right now also. But they fail to mention the state of the art has just moved forward from wind turbines to wind stalks. The "stalks" look like 30 ft tall blades of metallic grass waving in the wind. The movement creates energy. Stalks produce more energy per acre than turbines. There is no hazards for wild life.

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            #12.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:30 AM EST
                                                            LCS

                                                            mountainmanmike

                                                            Wrong. Obama gave 540 million, to Solydra to make solar panels, in the USA, then 1.2 billion to Sun Power to build solar arrays in the Southwest. Only Sun Power buys there solar panels, from an outfit that makes them in Mexico. Both companies, are failing miseralbly. Then Obama totally rediems himself by giving 500 million to make electric cars, only they are being made in Finland.

                                                            Obama did expand out Union to 57 states, and to protect, his newly expanded kingdom, he sales 80 F15s to Saudi Arabia, and puts girls on the battlefield. That should do it!

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #12.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:49 AM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            LCS

                                                            You evidently want the alternative energy of the future to be monopolized by China. America is losing the race for the future and green jobs. Republicans are obstructing that direction in favor of Big Oil, Big Coal, their employers.

                                                            Solyndra was a bad deal but it was approved with the same step by step process used for other corporations. The implied collusion on the part of Obama is just not there. Republicans trying to bash Obama over Solyndra is pure partisan propaganda.

                                                            But I will go as far as to say they need to be more thorough in their process of approving companies. I am not defending Solyndra. Looks like the executives left that situation rich.

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            #12.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:37 AM EST
                                                            LCS

                                                            moutainmike

                                                            I was going to make solar panels, however it is not profitable, because, the solar cells, are not producing what is needed. The Octagon shape solar cell, that NASA is using is the best, operating at 35% efficiency, the others 22%. The research needs to be on the Solar cell, Iridium and Gallium, if added will make a better producing solar cell.

                                                            There are plenty of experiments, on the web, video even of students, making different solar cells. I new it would not be profitable, and the president with all his resources did'nt.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #12.6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:47 AM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            The solar power race is on between America and other countries for future green jobs. That's my point. How was Obama to know ahead of time that Solyndra was going under. I have no problem blaming the Solyndra executives, who walked away from their mess rich.

                                                            The price is coming down on solar panels gradually while they keep coming up with more efficient ways to have solar power.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #12.7 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:04 PM EST
                                                            Jim44

                                                            How was Obama to know ahead of time that Solyndra was going under. I have no problem blaming the Solyndra executives, who walked away from their mess rich.

                                                            Why is he not saying something TODAY ... read the news lately?

                                                            Bonuses given after raises at Solyndra

                                                            Worker incentive paid during bankruptcy

                                                            WILMINGTON, Del. — Several of the nearly two dozen employees at bankrupt solar panel maker Solyndra LLC who were approved for bonuses Wednesday had months earlier received pay raises as high as 70 percent, a fact the company never disclosed in its request for bonus cash.

                                                            The company’s bankruptcy attorneys sought permission for the bonuses in a court hearing, arguing that the extra cash is needed to keep key employees from fleeing only to be replaced by more expensive outside consultants.

                                                            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/22/bonuses-given-after-raises-at-solyndra/

                                                            Where is the outcry from the Left about this crap? Crickets...!

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #12.8 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:42 PM EST
                                                            Dreama

                                                            Exactly Jim! *Crickets*...Didn't Pelosi try to tax the bonuses of The Big Banks at like 90% or something back in 08-09?? The Dems were so outraged at these people making bonuses when tax payers bailed them out...well, how about tax payers money being wasted on these fat pieces of @!$%#?? Oh, these are Democrat *green* pieces of @!$%# so it's different.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #12.9 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:08 PM EST
                                                            Jim44

                                                            Democrats tryed to take the salaries of the people that worked for a Dollar to help unwind the problems that they didn't even create...

                                                            But be a Green energy type you not only get away with it but get a bonus ....

                                                            Here the excuses is going to many... So to a different seed and Dems will be of the treat everyone the same ... Blah Blah Blah....

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #12.10 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:23 PM EST
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                                                            AC-4267907

                                                            WOW!!!!talk about a hassle to post a comment. It must've took me 10 minutes to get through!

                                                            Anyway. this is obviously a third world country issue, not Obama's. Wasn't Bush friendly with the Arabs? Maybe he can call in a favor for ALL he did for them!

                                                            • 6 votes
                                                            Reply#13 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:15 PM EST
                                                            JustenO

                                                            some day, this president is going to have to take responsibility for somthing.

                                                            Harry Truman said it best "The Buck Stops Here"

                                                            • 4 votes
                                                            Reply#14 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:15 PM EST
                                                            Perception Dominates Reality

                                                            Of course he was referring to the Federal budget, which the price of oil has nothing to do with.

                                                            But don't let facts get in the way of your ranting.

                                                            • 8 votes
                                                            #14.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:31 PM EST
                                                            McSpocky

                                                            Isn't it amazing how people ignore the facts when they want to bash President Obama?

                                                            • 9 votes
                                                            #14.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:46 PM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            some day, this president is going to have to take responsibility for somthing.

                                                            Harry Truman said it best "The Buck Stops Here"

                                                            I'm sure Obama will take responsibility when it is legitimate. Its just that the Obama bashers have come up with bogus example, after example after example trying desperately to blame Obama for everything or anything.

                                                            I consider the current Obama bashing on gas prices to fully fit that bogus category. Think of it - Big Oil is funding Republicans and currently the fad is blaming Obama for high gas prices when in fact if you follow the evidence Big Oil is price gouging - manipulating supply by exporting huge amounts of oil. They want attention diverted away from what they are doing to exploit Americans. Does American oil belong to America to use to bring gas prices down or does it belong to corporate slobs like ExxonMobile, who pay little or no income taxes due to tax loopholes provided by Republicans.

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            #14.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:37 AM EST
                                                            LCS

                                                            Mountainmanmike

                                                            The conservatives, want a flat tax with no loopholes, no one should pay over 20% on their income, to the government, Clinton earned his monuments, in China, by taxing business, until they moved to China and India. As Sarah said,

                                                            "drill baby drill'

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #14.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:56 AM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            A flat tax favors the rich. 15 or 20 percent of taxes on the average middle class working family probably puts them in the category of the "working poor." 15 or 20 percent of a multi billionaires income is alot of money, but they are still exceptionally rich.

                                                            Chinese workers typically have 12 hour shifts for $17 a day with no benefits while living in company dorms between shifts. That's why corporations have outsourced jobs and factories. Those are sweat shop conditions in China, India and Bangladesh.

                                                            Those same multi national corporations also move their profits, assets offshore to reduce or avoid American taxes. They move their losses onto their America books to reduce their America income taxes.

                                                            Obama is proposing tax incentives for "insourcing" jobs.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #14.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:44 AM EST
                                                            LCS

                                                            mountainmike

                                                            I would like to see a progressive tax with no loopholes, with brackets 1%,3%,5%,12%,20%, this way we have more people pullen the wagon and less people sitting in it. How come the ones sitting in the wagon, are the ones complaining?

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            #14.6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:52 AM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            Hey! We agree!

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #14.7 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:05 PM EST
                                                            Lola-Ohio

                                                            LCS, the Republicans, you say conservatives, nice name change by the way are not conservative. They like the tax structure just like it is, they were in control plenty long enough to work on health care, tax structure, or anything else. Face it, they want energy monopolies and the politicians to handle the masses with religious baloney while oil and coal companies rape America's resources. Are you people nuts? Your drill,baby,drill slogan really means transvaginal, and the new dominionist platform should be Pill,baby,Pill.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #14.8 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:02 PM EST
                                                            LCS

                                                            mountainmike

                                                            It's my lucky day, heading to Vegas. Also note the crooked lobbyist, in Washington, are there for one thing, and one thing only, MONEY. Take the money away, and we will watch their numbers dwindle. By changing the Tax Code, and eliminating, loopholes, and frivolous write-offs, we kill their money supply. Also it will be quite easy to do your own taxes.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #14.9 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:10 PM EST
                                                            Dreama

                                                            Also note the crooked lobbyist, in Washington, are there for one thing, and one thing only, MONEY. Take the money away, and we will watch their numbers dwindle.

                                                            Can we include crooked, self serving congressman and Senators as well?
                                                            Their salaries alone would save us 100 million a year.Not to mention all of the salaries of their secrataries and aids, private jets and all the other "perks" we pay for. Just saying..... :)

                                                            I'm sorry. I think members of the House and Senate should get an annual salary that is "average" for America..what is that? 40,000 a year? Less?
                                                            Why should they make 174,000 a year to do nothing but argue, blame each other, and stroke each other behind closed doors...a fricking high school drop out could do a better job!

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #14.10 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:24 PM EST
                                                            Jim44

                                                            And the sad thing is that the founders never foresaw being in congress as a part time job ! Not a career...

                                                            Believing that they would never pass laws that they would then have to live under themselves... Seems that didn't work out so well !

                                                            I wish the US federal congress would operate like Texas .. The Texas legislature meets only in Odd numbered years for regular session... That's right every other year... For 140 days at a time... And only the governor can call them into special session.

                                                            The short amount of time force them to take care of business... And they have real jobs being a state legislator is not their only job ...

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #14.11 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:38 PM EST
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                                                            The Gonz

                                                            Open the reserves. Then have the DOJ and IRS invade the oil companies for non American activities. I want to say hang the CEO's but maybe that's a bit far.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            Reply#15 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:24 PM EST
                                                            WTFCares

                                                            The Oil Speculators, and the biggest investors, and biggest buyers in oil...

                                                            All Republicans.

                                                            What can a party with unlimited funds and no hope of winning an election do to turn the tide?

                                                            You guessed it.

                                                            HIKE UP THE PRICE OF GAS.

                                                            It's not a coincidence.

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            Reply#16 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:28 PM EST
                                                            Rorschach-558483

                                                            Dead on target, WTF.

                                                            The market gamers are tight with the GOP. Recall, Cantor promised to put a stop to any regulation of their shenanigans.

                                                            Cantor Promises Oil Speculators That GOP Will Block Financial Regulations

                                                            • 5 votes
                                                            #16.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:09 PM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            I posted that link above. Republicans evidently don't bother to follow the link. There he is, the head Republican weasel in his own words promising to sabotage regulation for oil speculators. Then later in discussions the same Republicans that will refuse to go to these links will be making outrageous statements about Obama being the cause of high gas prices.

                                                            Cantor is in bed with Wall Street. I mean that literally. His wife is a head banker and former Goldman Sachs executive. She was probably the one that arranged for his "short" bet against the American economy - so that he would profit from the economy tanking.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #16.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:42 AM EST
                                                            LCS

                                                            Mountainmike

                                                            Andrea Mitchel MSNBC is the wife of Alan Greenspans, and Obama and the democrats are the top recipients 2008 of Goldman Sacs, source is the Federal Election Commission the FEC websight.

                                                            NEXT

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #16.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:00 AM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            See my post above.

                                                            This gets monotonous. Wall Street contributions were made at a point in time that Obama was strongly favored in the polls to win over McCain. Democrats were also favored in the polls to get the majority of both houses. So this is an investment/bet for Wall Street for the party that will be writing most of the bills and stopping Republican bills.

                                                            And they hedged their bet with donations to McCain.

                                                            That all changed when the debates on the banking reform legislation. McConnell and Boehner has small conventions held for Wall Street lobbyist and executives for the purpose of the wholesale sell out of the Republican legislators for the obstruction of Wall Street being regulated. The compromises they got on the bill basically gutted it for being effective. Millions of Wall Street dollars have gone to REPUBLICANS since the start of those debates on the Dodd-Frank Bill.

                                                            McCain changed his position from being against offshore drilling to be in favor of offshore drilling during the primaries and immediately got a boost of millions of dollars from Big Oil.

                                                            Unrealistic to expect Democrats not to take money while Republicans take in millions of dollars from these corporations. Basically everyone takes corporate money because if they didn't they couldn't afford the public exposure necessary to be elected or re elected.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #16.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:51 AM EST
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                                                            Tony Wlliams

                                                            I'll say this. The GOP better remember that while they point one finger at Obama the other 3 are pointing back at them.

                                                            Now which party protected the Oil Kings when they where brought before Congress? Which party keeps apologizing for the Oil Thieves?

                                                            Ain't it funny how some attacks can backfire.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            Reply#17 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:28 PM EST
                                                            chitownty

                                                            I can't believe the American public is going to fall for this BS again.The President has very little he can do about the price of gas.If that were the case,why did gas hit an all time high when "oilman"George W.Bush was in office?

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            Reply#18 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:35 PM EST
                                                            Arkansas Gloria

                                                            He could freeze prices- based on national emergency. Or is it only an emergency when the Wall Streeters have secured all their profits, and caused another million to hit jobless; can't afford to even try to get to a job... ?

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #18.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:39 PM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            Do presidents have the authority to unilaterally freeze prices? Nope. Republicans would obstruct him. I do not think there is a way for him to freeze gas prices as the empowerment is just not legally there for a president.

                                                            As for jobs, I can list Obama's proposals to create jobs and they have all been obstructed by Republicans. After John Boehner said the 2010 elections were about jobs, jobs, jobs, Republicans failed to come up with even one single jobs legislation proposal. Then they finally came up with a practical joke of a jobs proposal, more tax breaks for "job creators." And where are these "job creators" creating jobs? China, where workers have 12 hour shifts for $17 an hour, no benefits, while living in company dorms between shifts. In short, these are SWEAT SHOPS.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #18.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:47 AM EST
                                                            LCS

                                                            Mountainmike

                                                            Wrong! Obama and the democrats, had the Oval office, the House, and the Senate, for two years. What did they accomplish? The passed legislation, requiring us to buy a product, under threat of penalties, and enforced by the IRS. They sued the great states Arizona, Alabama, and now working on Utah, for protecting our borders. This of course should provide, jobs for Obama's lawyer friends.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #18.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:05 AM EST
                                                            mountainmike-1199289

                                                            Pure partisan propaganda.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #18.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:52 AM EST
                                                            Dreama

                                                            Are you saying that Obamacare isn't forced upon people to buy or be punished via taxes?

                                                            You can say it's just propaganda...it doesn't change the fact that it's true.

                                                            I see that VA has mandated a vaginal ultrasound to be done before an abortion..women are screaming their heads off about it..this is what government healthcare looks like. Clueless people mandating medical procedures for political reasons..it's just the beginning.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #18.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:31 PM EST
                                                            chitownty

                                                            Dreama: Last I checked it was the REPUBLICANS in VA mandating TV sonos.The President or health care reform had nothing to do with that.

                                                              #18.6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:09 PM EST
                                                              Jim44

                                                              Dead issue the VA law was tabled until 2013 ...

                                                              Move along that issue is over for now !!! Just saying . !!!

                                                              • 2 votes
                                                              #18.7 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:40 PM EST
                                                              Dreama

                                                              Dreama: Last I checked it was the REPUBLICANS in VA mandating TV sonos

                                                              I realize that it was the Pubs...I said Government that includes pubs and doesn't change the fact that clueless Government is mandating medical procedures..

                                                              Dead issue the VA law was tabled until 2013 ...

                                                              Oh good..they tabled until after the elections...just saying.

                                                                #18.8 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:45 AM EST
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                                                                BLOGER-486140

                                                                So in America, Capitalist Oil speculators and buy an election by keeping supplies tight.

                                                                It is interesting that the reason prices are high is not a dearth of petroleum but a shortage of refined product. Investigate the and you learn that the supply of refined gasoline if off by 5% due to refinery closing, how convenient and timely, To make matters worse domestically refined products are being exported to markets where the profit margin is higher.

                                                                This particular shortage is the work of speculators and oil refiners not the government. Nonetheless the Republicans spin machine will sow disinformation as usual.

                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                Reply#19 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:46 PM EST
                                                                Bill K. NY

                                                                If there is very little Obama can do about the supply of transportation fuel then we need a new president who has the health of the nation as the first priority. All Obama does is make speeches and blame others for the problems his administration should be solving.

                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                Reply#20 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:02 PM EST
                                                                McSpocky

                                                                President Obama DOES have the health of the nation as the first priority.

                                                                • 8 votes
                                                                #20.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:44 PM EST
                                                                Arlene Tognetti

                                                                McSpocky

                                                                I concur with you

                                                                Pres O DOES have the health of our country as his first priority

                                                                and anyone who thinks differently, is truly misguided

                                                                  #20.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:01 AM EST
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                                                                  jpokergman

                                                                  It does not matter who the President of the United States of America is. With over 1 .4 Billion Chinese experiencing double-digit growth for over a decade, I am surprised we are not seeing 5$ gas already!

                                                                  By the very same reasoning........If George Washington himself happened to be UNFORTUNATE enough to have been sworn into office in 1929, then his name would have been the by-word for depression instead of Hoover.

                                                                  Such is the economic intelligence of the World that we live in. Kind of sad.

                                                                  It is very hard to think for one self. Then have enough confidence to stand. So many have a stake in the "Status Quo".

                                                                  Oil, and gas remain high, until China go into Recession, which becomes a full blown depression. This follows the U.S. pattern of the roaring 20's, and into the early 30's.

                                                                  Since we are already looking at zero-negative real interest rates. I would not want to the person who has any debt at all....IF THE GOP wins the White house. Repeat If it looks like the GOP is going to win.....GET OUT OF DEBT FAST! Those guys are mean. If that is the case I expect Mitt will immediately send Timmy packing...and bring in a Dollar Hawk. This pressure's energy in a hurry...Mitt see's gas at the pump crash below, 3$.....Americans love Mitt....Then China's demise accelerates.

                                                                  Nine months later nobody is cheering anybody.......America's manufacturing base hase all but evaporated. Now we have to search places, such as Bangladesh for new populations to exploit.

                                                                  So tell me.....What exactly can President Obama do to make Gas cheaper?

                                                                  What exactly can anyone other than Ron Paul, .....I say this because he wishes to disembark upon empire. The Military uses The vast majority of our "High Refined" petrol. Therefore a major shift in U.S. Foreign Policy of such scale would have an immediate impact on the long term futures markets. Even though such a Policy shift, does not have even a remote chance of actionable execution! I would be remiss not to include it.

                                                                  So again I must put it to those who wish to replace President Obama with a question mark.......What exactly would they do.......In a real, and intelligent sense, to bring down the price of energy?

                                                                  Without bringing down the World's economy, if I might add.

                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                  Reply#21 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:13 PM EST
                                                                  Bill K. NY

                                                                  LOL... China is still getting US foreign aid. United States foreign aid to China, $12 million dollars for 2011

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  #21.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:35 PM EST
                                                                  jpokergman

                                                                  What exactly was that aid used for?

                                                                    #21.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:49 PM EST
                                                                    Covah

                                                                    China is still getting US foreign aid. What exactly was that aid used for?

                                                                    China gets AIDS prevention assistance dating from Bush years, and some aid to Tibet, which is nominally part of China.

                                                                      #21.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:15 AM EST
                                                                      jpokergman

                                                                      Thank you for that information.

                                                                        #21.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:55 PM EST
                                                                        Dreama

                                                                        12 million is nothing to congress...pennies. I'd like to keep that 12 million here in the US. Um..AIDS is rampant in America. NY being number 1 in the country with AIDS cases and FL being number 2. They don't talk about it much anymore though do they? I think there is 200,000 people in NY with AIDS..something like 150,000 in FL

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                                                                        #21.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:35 PM EST
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                                                                        Arlene Tognetti

                                                                        Blaming a President for Commodity Brokers, and Speculators jacking the prices up? I don't think so.

                                                                        humm..... This is Very suspicious activity, our usage on oil has gone down for the last 14 months

                                                                        and the Oil Companies show HIGH profits for that same period. So what gives? I smell a rat, and its not the President

                                                                        • 4 votes
                                                                        Reply#22 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:33 PM EST
                                                                        Bill K. NY

                                                                        Can't blame Obama for the price of gas but you can blame Obama for doing nothing but making campaign speeches about it.

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        #22.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:37 PM EST
                                                                        Arlene Tognetti

                                                                        Everyone makes campaign speeches about oil

                                                                        Everyone!

                                                                        • 3 votes
                                                                        #22.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:41 PM EST
                                                                        Bill K. NY

                                                                        BUT Obama was supposed to do something about it.

                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                        #22.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:43 PM EST
                                                                        jpokergman

                                                                        Bill K. NY,

                                                                        I am not being a wise-ass....but what exactly could he realistically do?

                                                                        • 3 votes
                                                                        #22.4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:52 PM EST
                                                                        Bill K. NY

                                                                        That's the point. The president has no idea what to do. I may as well be president. My solutions are as good or better then his.

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        #22.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:25 AM EST
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                                                                        PresObama4everamen

                                                                        Over at Yahoo the conservatives are not well.

                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                        Reply#23 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:41 PM EST
                                                                        Arlene Tognetti

                                                                        At Google, Bing and Facebook the Conseratives are well either!

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        #23.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:42 PM EST
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                                                                        McSpocky

                                                                        Even if gas prices go up, I don't think people will be stupid enough to elect one of the republican clowns for President.

                                                                        • 5 votes
                                                                        Reply#24 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:43 PM EST
                                                                        Bill K. NY

                                                                        Why not? The people elected a democrat clown.

                                                                        • 5 votes
                                                                        #24.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:44 PM EST
                                                                        CountrySimple

                                                                        Boy, we're talking about MODERN TIMES! not before the end of segregation caused the parties to switch platforms.

                                                                        get with the times!

                                                                        Bill K. NY

                                                                        Why not? The people elected a democrat clown

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        #24.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:57 PM EST
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                                                                        PresObama4everamen

                                                                        Those right wing nuts on Yahoo are showing some desperate hate rabid anger.

                                                                        • 4 votes
                                                                        Reply#25 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:44 PM EST
                                                                        Arlene Tognetti

                                                                        True and they are NOT well on the other Social Media pages..auto correct didnt correct my first post... Ditto Presidentobamaforeveramen!

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        #25.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:46 PM EST
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