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Va. Senate passes ultrasound abortion mandate

Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:32 PM EST
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Bob Lewis, Associated Press
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<p>Pro-choice advocate Margaret Doyle from Richmond, Va., is removed by Capitol Police from the General Assembly Building in Richmond after HB1, the bill that states human life begins at conception, passed the Senate Education and Health committee on Thursday, Feb. 23, 2012. Eight Republicans voted for the measure, and the committee's seven Democrats opposed it after an hour-long hearing on the bill that is similar to one in Missouri. The vote now sends the bill to the full Senate where Democrats and Republicans hold 20 seats apiece. (AP Photo/Richmond Times-Dispatch, Bob Brown)</p>

Pro-choice advocate Margaret Doyle from Richmond, Va., is removed by Capitol Police from the General Assembly Building in Richmond after HB1, the bill that states human life begins at conception, passed the Senate Education and Health committee on Thursday, Feb. 23, 2012. Eight Republicans voted for the measure, and the committee's seven Democrats opposed it after an hour-long hearing on the bill that is similar to one in Missouri. The vote now sends the bill to the full Senate where Democrats and Republicans hold 20 seats apiece. (AP Photo/Richmond Times-Dispatch, Bob Brown)

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RICHMOND — Virginia's Senate has passed legislation that would require women seeking abortions to undergo noninvasive ultrasounds, days after eliminating a stipulation that the exams be conducted through a vaginal procedure that had drawn the scorn of commentators and TV comedians.

The chamber narrowly controlled by Republicans split 21-19, mostly along party lines, in approving the amended measure Tuesday.

The bill returns to Virginia's House for expected concurrence on amendments added last week that would eliminate mandatory invasive vaginal ultrasounds and would exempt victims of rape and incest who reported the crimes to police.

Senators on Tuesday rejected several amendments that would have made the procedure optional. By the end of the hour-long floor debate, tempers flared.

Republicans said the intent of the bill was to ensure that women would be fully informed about the gestational age of their fetuses as they make up their minds whether to abort them. Seven states have laws mandating some form of pre-abortion ultrasound exam.

But female Democrats in particular angrily criticized Republicans and Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling, a Republican who broke several tie votes in favor of his party in rejecting amendments that would have blunted the measure.

"The arrogance of this body in telling women what to do with their bodies," Sen. L. Louise Lucas of Portsmouth said, thrusting her finger toward the Republican side of the chamber.

Sen. Mamie Locke accused Republicans of seeking the bill to "guilt women out of terminating a pregnancy."

The ultrasound bill, particularly before the mandatory invasive procedure was removed last week, was the most controversial of a wave of anti-abortion legislation rolling through Virginia's General Assembly, newly under the rule of Republican conservatives.

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Slinger-958418

I'd be crying if someone got a picture of me looking like that! But, seriously you can see how ANGRY she is.

The Republicans are not just overreaching they are overstepping boundaries that will come back and bite them at election time. Women DON'T take well to having an ALL MAN panel decide their women health issues.........and I believe these Republicans are about to be stampeded by a pack of angry women (sweetly dragging their husbands with them) straight to the voting booth, to be trounced and put back in their places.

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:14 PM EST
Radio Free America

I was just listening to this being debated on PBS New Hour. As always they have guests on all sides of an issue and let the viewer come to their own conclusion. First there is the saying that the GOP always uses to justify their stance. That is some form of the statement "the American people" as if they know the view of the American people and can speak for all the American people. The pro-lifer repeatedly stated that the American people want the mandated ultrasounds. We do?

Their current argument for the ultrasound is that women have died from abortions due to the how the doctor performs the procedure and this will help prevent these deaths. What does an ultrasound or any other testing have to do with how a procedure is form? How does an ultrasound taken before an abortion make the physician more competent? If it is for a successful procedure, than why does the mother have to see the ultrasound? She is not going to perform the procedure. Finally as stated on the piece, Planned Parenthood always performs an ultrasound, then why does it have to be mandated?

Prior to legalized abortions there were many deaths from abortions. This will lead to more of these types of abortions since it was admitted that they hope if the mother sees the child she will not have the abortions. This is the real reason for the ultrasound and not the health of the mother as their recent argument purports.

What was most important was that those who are pushing at an increasing rate laws which prevent and deter abortions ran on a jobs platform to get elected. No jobs and no abortions was the end goal.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:13 PM EST
Idj

Please note; where ever republicans take over, Chaos is sure to follow. Wisconsin,Ohio,Florida,Virginia to name a few! Simple remedy, stop taking their bait. As they keep proving, the Hook, Line and Sinker is attacthed...and THEIR interest is absolutely NOT yours, unless you're rich. They will have you gasping for air, like a Fish out of water; please note the accompanying photo with this article...

State rape is a strange version of 'SMALLER LESS INTRUSIVE GOVERMENT', don't ya think! Think about it, from the republicans, a whole new lexicon..."STATE RAPE"...

Better vote NEXT time people!

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:06 AM EST
CMlawyer

I pretty much figured Bob was a smart enough lawyer to know that the invasive ultrasound was buying a guaranteed loss in a lawsuit. But, unfortunately, he's either too dumb or too ideologically prejudiced to acknowledge that even the abdominal ultrasound will fail the legal test. There's no evidence that it is for medical reasons, and too much evidence that it is for ideological reasons. It's a little less personally offensive than the transvaginal, but it's still wrong, Bob.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:13 PM EST
DoctorNorm

Yes. Any ultrasound is a form of search. The government is required to justify the need for such a search before performing it. Of course, if it's the intrusiveness of screening machines at airports, THEN it's government intrusion. If it's taking an ultrasound even when not medically advise, then not so much.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:45 PM EST
tcaddle

LDJ; Right on!! Don't just talk about how bad these people are; Vote these Evil GOP Bast...ds out of office.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST
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Bootstraps

See Margie hate.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:24 PM EST
IndependentVoter

Mandating an invasive procedure in order to give informed consent is not a proper role for the state.

True

  • 12 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:28 PM EST
FreedomIsAChoice

Glad they finally saw the light; too bad it took this long for them to realize it was a train.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:35 PM EST
MajorTom-3246587

FreedomIsAChoice

Glad they finally saw the light; too bad it took this long for them to realize it was a train.

More like a "Train Wreak" for the Republicans, they were so blinded by their own hate they didn't see this train coming. You know what they say about someone walking on the railroad tracks listening to their headphones......... they can't hear the sound of inevitability.

  • 5 votes
#4.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:54 PM EST
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Buzz of the Orient

Such attempted government control over a woman's body - and people mock the Saudi Arabians. Next thing a woman will have to apply for is a government licence to pierce her ears.

  • 8 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:36 PM EST
Slinger-958418

or their nose, or their Um you know what I mean.....

  • 4 votes
#5.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:37 PM EST
lovemyplanet-400560

Next thing a woman will have to apply for is a government licence to pierce her ears.

No, that's irrelevant. But I can see these control freaks trying to outlaw tampons because only a husband's penis and an exiting baby belong "up there".

  • 4 votes
#5.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:16 PM EST
Baron Brian

No doubt these same people check under their beds---and in the closets---to make sure no one's lurking there, waiting to impose Sharia law on Americans

I'm curious to know what they'd call this attempt at legalizing stupidity.

I just hope American women have long memories...leading all the way to election time.

  • 4 votes
#5.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:12 AM EST
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Dare To Hope

Abortion is a moral decision. It has absolutely NO place in politics, especially being decided by an all male panel! This whole thing makes me sick and I find it hard to believe we're dealing with this in 2012. Leave women alone damnit!!! Anyone who has to undergo these procedures should turn around and sue for torture, because that's all it is.

  • 7 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:49 PM EST
Conservative Not NeoCon

She looks the way I feel when a panel of ALL male chauvinist gather to decide whether or not I have a soul (the inquisition) or should be allowed to be beaten with a stick no longer then the size of their palms (legal up until 1970's) or whether I should be allowed to seek medical birth hormone pills on my own adult self.

Yeah, NeoCons have gone a bit too far with women and hell has no fury then a woman pissed off! We'll remember in November!

  • 8 votes
Reply#7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:53 PM EST
Skidude

If the bill is doomed, what will the GOP do with their time? They can still bash the president and hope that gas prices remain high and the economy tanks. The GOP needs an issue in order to prevent them from having to do any real work. I think they can still push their extreme religious views on everyone. That seems to work from them.

  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:03 PM EST
charger383

this was sponcered by State Senator Jill "Transvaginal" Vogel, her daddy owns all the Liberty gas stations

  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:07 PM EST
TheyreAllCrooks

How hypocritical can the teaGOP get?
These are the same liars who say that "government has no right to MANDATE me to buy insurance (ObamaCare)"...

....but they're all over your TV agreeing that "government has every right to MANDATE forced transvaginal ultrsounds"...

You tea party people are phonier than $3 bills!

Apparently TGOP men thinks MANDATE means "man dates women with ultrasound equipment"...

  • 5 votes
Reply#10 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:16 PM EST
FreedomIsAChoice

I am still waiting for a rational, logical explanation as to how the government has a compelling interest in my uterus or the contents thereof.

  • 4 votes
#10.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:23 PM EST
Idj

And to think, even if they had a legitimte interest, THEY'D MUCK IT UP. it's the republicans way...

There is a sure way to stop their madness; get out... to get them out of the process of governance. Voting alone will no longer suffice. The weeds have now taken root; we must now all ban together to treat, what was once our beautiful Lawn of Liberty, with strong opposition to Bullying... Street talk-get rid of these saps, in all fifthy states ASAP... lol

  • 2 votes
#10.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:58 AM EST
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Chalk

I guess the Male Virginia Republican Legislature did not take into consideration that the State of Virginia is not only named after a woman but you shouldn't mess with women in a state that has a name similar to a vagina when you are proposing a law that "Man" dates a forced transvaginal mecanical rape law.

  • 4 votes
Reply#11 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:31 PM EST
MajorTom-3246587

You go girls! Kick their fat pasty white pimpled conservative asses back to the Dark Ages where they will fit in just fine. All Democrats and Independents need to get out and vote in November. The Republicans need a good ol fashioned ass kicking.

  • 5 votes
Reply#12 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:02 PM EST
Better Careful

The Governor thought he might get away with passing a bad law because it appealed to him, or because it gained him some political advantage. He changed his mind only when it became clear that the desired political advantage was not to be had. If he thought he'd have gotten away with something, he would have tried to get away with it.

It's our patriotic duty to tell these authoritarians to @!$%# OFF. See the good results we get when we do?

  • 4 votes
Reply#13 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:20 PM EST
Idj

The best place to give them the 'bird' is at the ballot box...at every election, Local State and Federal!

  • 3 votes
#13.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:57 PM EST
Baron Brian

To the ladies---

Remember these fools when they're up for re-election, whether they're in Virginia or anywhere else. If they had been able to get away with this in Virginia, best believe that this show would have gone on the road. Nationwide...

Notice that the governor of Virginia couldn't take it in, that this law was a blatant invasion of your privacy. He dropped it when he realized that he couldn't get away with it, and for no other reason. He'll be back later...with something else equally stupid, or worse.

Identify them...and vote them out of office. I'd be HAPPY to help...

  • 2 votes
#13.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:40 PM EST
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