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as long as the iraq people see us as staying we will have conflict. if they see us as wonting to leave and let them govern. their own country then they will step up and do so. let them sell their oil to who ever they wont. or are we going to tell them who they can sell to? we lost 50,000 in vet nam and what did it get us? will we do so again in iraq? for what??? how many must die for pride????? just say we won and get the h??? out and be done with it..
#1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:42 AM EDTBut the oil companies didn't get the contracts after all, aw gee, too bad.
NO MORE TROOPERS LIVES FOR BIG OIL!
Enough is enough!!
We have won all were going to win. The joke is on our troops and the oil men in washington, Iraq is giving thier oil to china. So maybe we wont have to stay much longer, Ii know we were going to stay up to or at least 100 years. To protect our oil intrest. After killing 4000 of our military men and women for a lie. I cant figure out why all the pride in this country, I am ashamed, I am from a military familey, lost a husband in Viet Nam, another mess we got into, at least we were asked. I trust Obama to get us out. Bring our 12 billion dollars a month home, and learn to talk to other countrys who we dont agree with.
Sometimes I think I will scream if I hear about the surge one more time, If we didnt pay the Sunni to fight for us, they would still be killing Americans, If Al Sadr hadnt taken his Sadi Army off the streets of Bagdad before the surge there would still be blood in the streets of Bagdad, our blood mixed with thiers, the surge is a farce, we wanted more troops to protect the oil intrest. OUT, GET US OUT.
We went into this war blind, and unfortuantely some still are. McCain is so stubborn that he will keep our troops on an undefined mission. I thought the "war on terror" was too general to really be fought, this is a whole different level. No one can even define victory here. What is the mission exactly? If the "surge" worked then why are the troops not coming home in droves. I'm no foreign policy expert, you know, I'm not from Alaska or anything, but I do know that when you've succeeded at the completion of something you don't really have to stay. Like once I finally succeed in completing my degree, I'm not coming to campus EVER again. lol
This isn't Vietnam. Lets fight the war that needs to be won. Afghanistan!
#2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:00 AM EDT
Surge or no surge Iraq is a hole in the desert that we are dumping billions of dollars into. Wall Street is crumbling , Gulf coast is drowning, Homes are foreclosing, addiction to oil continues, veterans are hurting,
take home pay is shrinking and American children are uninsured. Afghanistan is the real war and its being for the most part ignored....
Obama will get us out at a quicker pace McCain wants victory in Iraq. One has to ask what is the definition of victory and is it worth sacrificing all the other issues.
#3 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:07 AM EDTIf we pull out now then Iran will move in and all that our brave men and women fought and some died for will have been for nothing.the folks in Washington fought Vietnam from a desk and look what happened there. we have victory why settle for defeat? remember Somalia we ran and the we were attacked why ? they said we were weak remember that. I think everyone should read todays New York post about what Obama did when he went to Iraq back in june
#4 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:09 AM EDTand that's just it.....there IS NO VICTORY. The Iraqi people want control back, have the funds to do so yet we continue to sink billions for what??? And yes likely it could all cave to a civil war whether we leave now or years from now as one poster stated.
Support our Troops and bring them home....care for them when they get here...unlike what's been happening to my cousin since his return. He's had devestating physical and mental health issues, has two small children to raise and gets very little assistance.
Vote Obama.
Our soldiers fought and died for Big Oil. The sooner you face that fact the sooner you will understand that we had NO BUSINESS being there in the first place. We need, as a nation, to get a grip on our oil consumption. If we had LISTENED to what Jimmy Carter told us 30 years ago we wouldn't be doing this again. Our energy problems would have been solved. And what did we do? We listened to the Reagan/Republican BS that was spewed to discredit Jimmy Carter. He (Carter) actually had an energy policy and what was the first thing Ronnie did when he moved into the WH, have all the solar panels removed.
Republicans have NEVER done anything to improve our country. All they know how to do is steal, plunder, lie, borrow money, and bankrupt the country to enrich the already obscenely rich.
"If we pull out now then Iran will move in and all that our brave men and women fought and some died for will have been for nothing."
Oh? So, removing Saddam... that was nothing? Promoting actual elections, seeing to the establishment of a new government, that was nothing?
People keep saying 'victory' while consistently failing to adequately define what that word means in this context. It's been asked countless times, but I'll ask again: what constitutes victory in Iraq? Under what precise conditions will it be achieved? "I'll know it when I see it," isn't an acceptable response here.
Furthermore, if the surge everyone has raved about failed to usher in those victory conditions, how then can it be called a "success"? The surge has happened. Okay. Violence was significantly reduced. Okay. Most of the objectives were met. Okay. So... we can now leave, right? Right?
No.
Oh, okay. Well, then... can we at least start a gradual withdrawal?
No.
Oh. Well, how about a troop reduction that brings us down to at least pre-surge levels?
Nope, can't do that either.
How about spending less money on it?
Sorry, no. We're still pumping in 10 billion a month.
...Okay, so... what was the actual success, exactly?
People have to at least entertain the idea that significantly reducing our military presence in Iraq does not mean failure. It does not mean we'll then suddenly ignore the country and the region and have no presence there. It does not mean we will no longer have any influence there. It does not mean that we will not go right back in if the situation warrants it (heavens forbid).
And if victory is so important, why is achieving it in Afghanistan so often overlooked or ignored? Especially when its achievement is so much more easily defined. Why is the honor of the troops in Iraq important, but the honor of those in Afghanistan is not?
Our resources are not unlimited and many of our assets are not easily replenished. There are things we would like to do, but there are also things we absolutely need to do, and when it comes down to having to make a choice, the latter has to take precedence over the former.
Obama seems to grasp this. McCain, on the other hand, has given many indications that he doesn't.
We can't reverse the horrendously tragic decision that George Bush made to invade Iraq, nor the loss of over 4,000 young American lives, but we CAN cut our losses and turn the responsibility for reshaping Iraq over to the Iraqi people. They have ASKED us to, more than once now. Even General Petraeus said today that military force alone cannot cannot change the course of 1000's of years of cultural infighting in Iraq - that must be left up to the Iraqis. Our course therefore is to initiate a progressive, planned withdrawal from Iraq. With the crises developing in other parts of the world, we can best use our resources and protect our country by redirecting the resources in Iraq to these other areas. This is what Barack Obama and Joe Biden want to do, this is what the military experts are now saying, and this is what the majority of the American people want.
I'm old enough to remember the same "OMG the sky will fall in and the Communists will overrun the world" line in Viet Nam. Now they are international trading partners with us and most of the world.
Our lost generation who have died and been wounded in Iraq were used up for the sole purpose of control of the world's oil production and supplies.
It's gonna hurt, but far less than staying on in an armed invasion of a sovereign country. Interesting we can push our selves to the brink of war with Russia for "invasion", but when we did it it was for "protection". Hypocrits! Oh, that's right Georgia was a Democracy, Iraq wasn't.
Do you realize that the only true "Democracy" was ancient Greece? The US is no more a democracy than any other country in the world.
Namaste
If we pull out now? We shouldn't have been their in the first place. Your rhetoric IS the Bush/McSame agenda. Yes Viet Nam was fought by politicians but Iraq is a war we should never have been in. I served my country in Nam and when I came home I got spit on. Where's the victory there? You claim we've achieved victory? It's obvious you've never been to war...there are no victories in war...only one side loses less! Please stop drinking the republican koolaid. Get our troops out of Iraq and into Pakistan to hunt down and kill Bin Ladin...like we should have done in the first place...and then get the hell back home...before more innocent lives and untold treasures are lost. This war has only been blood, sweat, tears, and death for our soldiers and for America...we are not victorious....we are scammed!
You mean the Ash Victory?
I can understand those who have lost family and friends not wanting to come to terms that their son/daughter/father/etc died for "nothing" in the sense that this war was pointless. That's hard to accept.
***I watched a special on HBO and this palestinian mom could not bring herself to say that her daughter blowing herself up in a crowded place in Israel was wrong. She defended her actions because to admit it was wrong, would be dishonour to her daughter's intended mission, which was probably to hurt the Israeli's who'd been hurting Palestine. The comparison is limited, the troops overall are not committing acts of terror toward the Iraqis, although i'm sure we all realize thousands and thousands of innocent people have died since our occupation, even by our troops, but i digress***.
Although I'm sure it's hard for us as American's to come to terms with the fact that this war was stupid, & that it has no victory to achieve. It doesn't take away from the fact that brave men and women died believing that they were defending their country. That can never be taken away from them and their legacy, no matter what.
However, staying in a war because we're already in the war is a stupid reason to stay. It's like investing all of your money in a dead end project, just because you've invested a certain amount already, rather than just cutting your losses and thinking of the money you will save by deciding to stop investing. It's like staying in a dead end relationship with someone you barely like just because you've been together 7 years. You could stay the course and spend 7 more years, or you could cut your losses, get out asap, and find something better.
McCain says we must stay in Iraq b/c Bin Laden said it's the central front... Uhh, if his policy is going to be based on tapes of messages Bin Laden sends to the media then...
McCain said that Vietnam could have been won if we would've stayed the course...
McCain came out immediately against Russia before (or while) knowing the full details of the Georgian army killing thousands of men, women, and children in Ossetia. McCain is a warmonger...
USA is crumbling right before our eyes; we are in a war that should have never happen, people are losing the homes, saving, dignity, and a sense of self worth. Our kids and grand kids will be left with nothing; think about it? what has this administration done for the average working American? Banks are crumbling, schools are under funded, national disasters are causing people lost of life and property; everyone need to really take a step back and look at whats happening right in front of our eyes; Our government lies to us and the corporate news station will not report the truth weather or not it's from the left or right; its a matter of who you think is being honest; i pray that everyone stand up we are much better, we deserve better, and should demand better; make your vote count and lets take back our country!!!
God Bless You!
#5 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:21 AM EDT
Comment collapsed by the communityRemember McCain's little song? Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran?
#8 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:30 AM EDTPaulaO- Cute one liner-but-WHERE'S THE BEEF? McCain isn't claiming to consider bombing Iran and supports Bush's plan that is happening now to pull out of Iraq. Did you CATCH the fleeting report on MSNBC about the 11th of 18 proviences being signed back over to Iraq??? That is positive progress. If you want to be conserned and go looking for answers ask yourself WHY in the last couple of months BOTH Alaska Representitives, Stevens and Young, have been under investigation for supposedly taking gifts, etc., and no other states representitives have been looked at. Then, McCain chooses Gov.Palin and all heck breaks loose in the news about what she doesn't have and not much about her accomplishments. Note: Obama is sacred here...no negative truths on the networks allowed, only glorification AND blaming the Republicans for what originally came out of his mouth. NOW...when Obama is sitting in the hole he dug with his mouth and voting record, here we go with its all Bush's fault about the condition of Wall Street, blah, blah, blah. Can we as adults take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for our financial decisions. America is not a Utopian nation, nor is any other nation and if they say they are, they are lying. I suggest those for Obama STOP listening to the donkey brays (yes, that means the media too) and use the computer to look up the history of the canidates votes in the House and Senate and VOTE your consience. I for one will be voting McCain/Palin. Not because I am an Alaskan but because I have looked at what each canidate has done, gave it prayerful consideration, and agree with the majority of their decisions.
If you have looked at the complete records of all four candidates and can answer the question "are we better off now than we were eight years ago", then there is no way that you cannot vote for Obama and Biden. To vote any other way would be ignoring what is good for the country and not the wealthest individuals and corporations.
Have you even read what you wrote Braveheart123? You need help. As far as liberals not thinking, go back and read your comment. Didn't require a lot of thinking to write a comment like that now, did it? All the war mongers have is 9/11. I am sick of the scare tactics. Let's be vigilant but not paranoid about security. If fear is all your candidate has to run on, tell him to get his head out of the sand. There is more to fear than terrorists from other countries. As far as your comment about standing up to the other countries, what is that about? In your mind maybe we should start WW3 and make it the USA vs the rest of the world. Come back to reality if you can.
#9 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:40 AM EDTThe moment we stepped foot on Iraqi soil we gave birth to the next generation of terrorists. I grew up around a diverse group of kids being a military brat myself and their countries are completely different from ours. We accused them falsely of having weapons of mass destruction, took the leaders children, hunted them down and killed them and then paraded their corpses across the world through the media. Then we took their leader who a lot of them really didn't like and handed him to his enemies to endure a public trial and hanging. I understand keeping our County safe but there is a point in going too far and then they have the audacity to wonder why they hate us. When we have bombed them killing women and children in the process, they were protecting their own land in their mind and now they want us gone so they can start picking up the pieces of what Bush tore to shreds. Iraq population 27,500,000 roughly U.S population 301,000,000. Who has suffered most. I see McCain as a decorated hero still living in the past but a warmonger just the same
As the wife of an Iraq war veteran, the only candidate I trust with our country's future is Obama. The stakes are high (especially for military families), and we can't take a chance with someone who makes rash decisions and who sees no end in sight to the war in Iraq. We need a leader who will work for peace, not someone who jumps at every chance to start a fight (did you hear Palin's comment about Russia?- how many wars can we fight at one time?). How many men and women have to die to validate a war that never should have begun in the first place?
#10 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:47 AM EDTAmen ECH-from SC! Let's support our troops by bringing them home! Vote Obama 2008!
I 2nd that AMEN to ECH....
Barack/Biden 2008
Maybe Palin thinks we can just go over Alaska's border and defeat Russia.
ECH
I am also a wife of a veteran who served under the first Bush. He was in Desert Storm
and we all understood why they were sent. BUT!!! When they came back they were pushed aside
no provisions made for them and were told there was no such thing as gulf war syndrome! Can't get me to believe that as I watch my husband fall apart!! "but there's nothing wrong with him according to the VA!!! He served his country proudly and so did I by his side. Now I have 3 children who have followed in their fathers foot steps I mean 2 have chewed Iraqi soil also. I am very proud of them. And even they say thee Iraqis want us to go home. My family serves with honor!!! I agree fighting is not always the answer!!! WE NEED DIPLOMACY!!!! By the way I don't remember the news ever saying that Binladin was in Iraq!!! I thought the reports were
Sandin46- I can totally relate. I think the VA needs to step up and help soldiers when they get back- mental problems are just as real as the physical ones. More Americans need to understand the profound effects that war has on a person and their family- it changes everyone's life. You're right, we need more diplomacy- war should always be the last option. That's one of the reasons I'm voting for Obama- he wants to restore America's diplomatic relationships and he wants to get us out of Iraq on a reasonable timetable. I'm just not willing to take a chance with my family or our country by voting for McCain.
Perhaps more people should ask McCain why he voted against the most recent Vet-GI bill. I heard him say in a Town Hall meeting that it was too generous. Do you wives of vets think it was too generous? Is there such a thing as being too generous with our veterans? I think not. McCain needs to be called out over and over again about this one issue.
YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. I HAVE TALKED TO A LOT OF SOLDIERS WHO HAVE GONE TO IRAC AND THEY ARE PROUD OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. MY SON IS IN THE GUARD AND GOING TO BE DEPLOYED AND HIS UNIT IS PROUD TO BE DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING. AS FAR AS THE 100 YEARS COMMENT, THAT WAS A JOKE. AS FAR AS SOMEONE MAKING RASH DECISIONS LOOK AT IBM. MY GOD PEOPLE WAKE UP. AS FAR AS CHARLOTTE FROM PITTSBURG OBAMA SAID IRAN WAS NOT DANGEROUS. LIKE I SAID I DON'T LIKE NEITHER CANIDATE BUT I WILL VOTE FOR THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS. OBAMA CAN NOT BE TRUSTED. YOU PEOPLE HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT RUN DOWN PALIN AND MCCAIN. GET A LIFE!!!!!!
#11 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:04 AM EDTObama never said Iran is not dangerous, He said we shouldn't be afraid straight talk, get your facts straight. Nobody running palin down, Its not our fault she wasn't vetted properly and she has so much dirt under her nails. You should actually research it. Get real facts, then come back and say something productive
My husband and my sons are proud of what they do and I am proud of them!! I have stood beside my husband and watched him go off and defend this country time and time again and now I stand there and watch my sons do the same thing not in the Guard but full time active duty! I work with these soldiers everyday I have to deal with the soldiers that come back injured and not only physically but mentally!!! The lesser of 2 evils!!! You got to be kidding me!!! Tell that to the soldiers that are coming back injured and are losing their health benefits and the only place for them to go is the VA where they are down graded so that their not given the priority that they should!!! If it were up to McCain he would have sliced the health benefits for the soldiers last year when Bush tried to push for the cut. You need to get you're facts staight. As for Palen!!! She is not the one running for President McCain. But She is running for VP!!! Which means she is a target just like all the other candidates and open to scrutiny like they are. She is not the family member and I think that family members should be off limits. I REPEAT SHE IS A CANDIDATE!!! Stop screaming fowl just because she's a was woman.
I can not say I was against Saddam Hussein being deposed. I just thought we should have been more honest about what we were doing from the beginning. I do believe that after we ran him out of Baghdad our military should have left. When we stayed all I could think of was Vietnam and the problems we had trying to get out of that mess.
I do not know who to really blame for the mess made by the military from a security point of view. What did they think would happen if they didn't control all the loose armaments after they disbanded the Iraqi army, which I believe is the biggest mistake we made when considering the violence that has happened since. We totally disrespected the Iraqi people and we will pay for that mistake for years to come, especially if Obama is not elected president.
#12 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:32 AM EDTMcCain likes to say that leaving Iraq now would be defeat but in reality, we lost the day we invaded Iraq because the best case scenario in Iraq was a power vacuum right on Iran's border. Bush and McCain lied to the American people, beat the war drums, vilified Iraq and anyone rational who stood in the way of war. Let's end the politics of lying, cronyism, ridicule, fear, uncertainty and doubt and lets embrace politics of honesty, integrity and cooperation. If we elect another President in the Bush mold, we are insane as a population. More of the same does not equal change.
The GOP has lost all moral authority. The GOP claim to be the patriotic party, but they use patriotism as a dagger in the back of their foes. The GOP claim to be the spiritual Christian party, but they use religion as a blunt weapon of war to get what they want. The GOP claim to be last bastion of fiscal conservatism, but have in reality taken pandering, cronyism and out of control government to a whole new level.
#13 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:34 AM EDTYou folks are nuts. 80% for Obama, no other poll comes close, it shows how left MSNBC has gone. The war is in place so it only matters what decisions have been made now. McCain was for the surge and Obama against, that says it all. The Surge is working and allows us to have other options, Obama would have had our soldiers killed by having wacky withdrawal plans that even he has now walked away from. What Diplomacy? Obama is head of the Foreign Relations Subcommittee in teh Senate but has had 2 hearings, his counterparts average 10-15 a year. He has never met the EU Ambassador even though that is his counterpart representative! He did not know that Russia has Veto Power in the UN, and never met or talked to Gen. Pertaeus until recently. How was he formulating a plan? He never talked to the Military.
As for the other looney comments "Senile McCain" etc, get with it. If he is Senile, why is Obama ducking him on Debates after promising many during the primaries, he hid now, only 3. What is he hiding? To all Obama supporters here is the question note one person has ever answered. Please name 1 Bill that Barak Obama has been the primary sponsor of, It can be in Ill. or US Senate. Name one. I relaize it is a trick question, he has none, but hey it is worth a try. So how can he lead (160 Present Votes) if he has no expereince doing it? He has the most Liberal voting record (not saying it is right or wrong) so how can he bring people together if he is on the fringe of his own party, opposite the other party? At least vote for him because you have real feelings of actual things he can do. When he does not have his teleprompter he is like a different person, he stutters, pauses more, not as "fancy" as when he has someone write down what to say. Do you really want him staring down Putin (Putin already says he does, not much of a challenge).
#14 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:36 AM EDT80% for obama, idiot that people voting. get facts straight. The only thing surge did put more troops on ground. it wasn't surge, it was Al Sadre truce kept violence down. Plus if we leave now or few years from now, iraq will collapse anyway. Get facts then come back. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or weapons of mass destruction so we wasted time to go in anyway. He is not hiding from debates, but going to TOWN Hall meetings with mccain supporters only its joke, how come he wouldn't join Obama with his crowd then?
How about the Ethic bill that he worked with Mccain? try that bill for size. Oh just let you know a lot of politicians abstain. do real research then stop talking mccain bull @!$%#.
what a statement,but i feel obama needs to tell the spoiled brat the surge worked even if it didnt before he goes crazy trying to get obama to say it did,tell him obama and maybe he will be satisfied and go home.It doesnt matter that we still have soldiers getting killed and meimed over there and we are still there.Nothing has changed with the exeption we are now paying the people that were shooting at us to be on our side,better than a surge ,just dont miss a payment
McCain and Palin will get us into more trouble than we can even imagine right now. From Bomb-bomb Iran to Palin making statements about getting into a military conflict with Russia, it is crystal clear that we will only be ensuring the demise of the US if those two get into the Oval Office. Time to get with the 21st Century and stop bullying the rest of the world just because we can. We are finding ourselves standing alone with less and less more and more often. Obama and Biden bring the leadership we need to pull our country and this world onto a brighter future. I cannot understand how anyone can seriously feel that McCain/Palin will help our nation.
#15 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:36 AM EDTI'm really sick of all this manure about McCain having such wonderful military experience. He was a fighter pilot (and reputedly a hot dog at that), not a unit commander, not a tactician, not a strategist, not a pentagon level officer, and only fifth from the bottom of his class at Annapolis. He was a prisoner and he showed courage under great diversity. So have millions of other GIs in our history.
Unfortunately his instincts seem to be toward projecting our military power across the globe as the means of preserving U.S. hegemony. That is exactly the kind of thinking that has created the colossal blunder and quagmire that we are stuck in right now in Iraq.
We need a leader who wants to project our example not our power, and to make that example one that is attractive to emulate.
#16 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:40 AM EDTWhile no-one has a great answer, I would rather have a person who was actually in the militray making decisions! Also, having known god knows how many Irag war vets (and a couple were voluntary returnees), the media in this country only prints what is "wrong". According to the media the entire world hates us. Having lived around the world I can tell you that is not true. Yes, certain factions do (very liberal or very extreme groups), but the rest of the world as a whole does not.
Having a person in charge who has no administrative experience and no military experience is a disaster for the USA. Not that I'm a great fan of McCain, but Obama scares me. He flip flops too much and our troops abroad will be the targets if he is commander-in-chief. One thing I have learned in my moves around the world, an "ex-muslim" will not be tolerated by the muslim extremists.
Iraq has made advancements and is trying. We need to pull out, but at a strategic pace. I didn't necessarily agree with the move to begin with, but that "sand trap" in the middle east needs to move to the 21st century. "Honor" killings of women, mass killings of those who don't believe the same - these things have a chance to change as other ways are learned.
My personal experience with vets doesn't show "war for oil" that so many talk about. Heck, we need to drill our own resources and find alternative fuels in the coming years.
#17 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:43 AM EDTI completely agree, I don't understand how everyone thinks Obama is the best candidate for a job that he clearly is not qualified. The US will be in big trouble if Obama is elected.
McCain No Family Values or Respect 4 Woman
Self Test For American's
Especially Woman
EITHER YOU'RE STUPID OR YOU'RE NOT!!!
How can an American woman vote 4 McCain? Remember he disc's his own wife 4 a young rich hottie. Remember, his wife stood by him 4 better or worse. It was bad enough 4 her to have to get over the series car accident that she sustained while waiting 4 Mr. Player. Then she has to sustain another slap in the face when the man she so dearly loved returned home only to cheat on her and then dump her 4 his young rich lover. 4 better or worse, I guess the real Mrs. McCain got the worse. This is why I say only a STUPID
American woman or an uninformed American woman would vote 4 McCain. He's no Damn Hero just because he got shot down behind enemy lines. Any fool can get shot down. If he was a hero he wouldn't have giving up info when being interrogated. The enemy whipped his ass one time, and he started singing like a mocking bird. Do you really want a Mocking bird running this country? Remember, this coward turned his back on his own family, so what makes you think he won't turn his back on you when he becomes unhappy or the grass gets greener on the other side again?
Remember McCain ONLY stands 4 CHANGE WHEN THE GRASS IS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE.
Cindy made him a very rich man (CHANGE)
#18 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:00 PM EDTAnd with your moral standard being so high you back Clinton? Obama? Right and you are calling who stupid? Try to make your posts a little more intelligent and a lot less personal.
Palin thinks god has a plan for us in Iraq. Yeah, right. It's just going a little slow. You know, god is busy! Maybe he's thinking in terms of a millennium rather than a mere seven years. Palin thinks you can't blink, you just have to go ahead with commitment to the mission--the mission of defeating the radical Muslims who want to kill us all "because of our freedoms," and she thinks that Iraq has something to do with that mission.
I wonder if she realizes that there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world and that the radical jihadis are lurking all over the world, and that there is no way to defeat them on a military battle field, and that our invasion of Iraq has recruited many, many more of them to their cause, and that the stupid idea that we are fighting them in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here is nothing more than a Bushism, and that the war in Iraq is draining our treasury and our military? For that matter does McCain understand these things?
#19 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:05 PM EDTWith all due respect -- Independents and open-minded Republicans, please hear me out! McCain and Palin are experts at manufacturing lies and smear campaigns for citizens who don't read the paper or watch respectable TV coverage. Amazingly, they continue to espouse an alarming array of issues that have PROVEN to be untrue.
If you want the U.S. to continue alienating the rest of the world, commit your children to serving in wars (and make no mistake, McCain will start a draft), ensure that lobbyists continue to run our country, lose more homes to foreclosure, continue the decline in education of your children, ensure that more jobs are sent overseas, see the economy continue to spiral downward while McCain continues to line the pockets of rich people and large corporations while destroying the middle class and poor, see your veterans sleeping in the streets, lose the healthcare war, then by all means, vote for McCain. But remember this -- McCain rhetoric won't do anthing to help you where you hurt most.
Can't you see through the McCain strategy? It's literally "bush" league. He's losing in the polls, so what does he do? Nominates Palin to reinforce the extreme right and lure women who are easily swayed simply by the fact that she is female, regardless of her very harmful lack of knowledge and beliefs. She is certainly no Hillary Clinton! Then McCain changes his message (for obvious reasons) from "experience" to "reform." If you watched the Charles Gibson interview of Sarah Palin, can you honestly say she is qualified to be 2nd in command or President if the need arises? Do you think any world leaders will take her seriously?
For all of the people who lost loved ones as the result of 9/11 and the false war we started in Iraq, don't besmirch their memories by more of the same. Our troops are deployed elsewhere when we need them at home. They and their families are being cheated in every way possible. This is not a war, it is an occupation, so there can be NO VICTORY and NO SUCCESS.
Obama offers SINCERE CHANGE with DETAILS. McCain offers words. Obama is the person the world leaders want to see in the White House because they know that he will be responsible. Biden is perfect in the role of VP. Together, they will do their best to rebuild our country and our pride.
So, let's say for the millionth time that McCain is indeed a superior war hero. That I truly believe. But he is not right for the presidency.
#20 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:08 PM EDTI take offense to all the cheapshot everyone is taking at McCain and McCain supporters! Braveheart 123 is not the typical mindset of McCain supporters. A large number of us are evangelical Christians who love God, our families and our country. We like everyone else want what is best for our nation. That is why we simply cannot afford to turn this country over to Obama! He is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Why can't you people see that? Wake up! If Obama is elected President we will be even more divided as a nation than we already are and American will go down the proverbial drain. The man has no spine. We might as well invite terrorists and nations that are hostile towards the USA to walk all over us if he raises his hand to take the oath on "The Koran" instead of the Bible. Please think of our country before it is too late.
#21 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:52 PM EDTDennis Bachman
I am a christian too!!! But when I look at the economy and how hard it is to make ends meet for not only single parents but all of us!!! When I hear my friends talk about letting their health care go because they need to buy gas or pay their mortgage, I can't in good conticions vote for McCain. I am a woman with a husband that is retired from the military and have 3 sons in now. And McCain lost me after listening to him say NO!! to better benefits for the soldier, who has given his blood, sweat and tears to this country. OH YEAH I KNOW!!! HE WAS A POW!!!!! When he was in captivity whom did he lead????? All I know is everything that I care about he has voted against including issues that have to do with womans rights!!!! For McCain to put Palen in the face of women like oh they'll vote for her because she is a woman is degrading. No I am not a Democrat! I am 1 of those people that have no party affiliation. The ones that no one know how we're going to vote. I'd rather try something new than the same old thing and expecting different results. When I look at McCain I see Bush!!!!
Where already divided Dem/Rep
"Obama/Biden 08"
this country doesnt have to be divided,we have different views and beliefs,but we are all american.this isnt some kinda i win you lose,we all can win!The first thing we have to do is quit trying to watch hate shows..things like fox with hanety spewing out right lies or rush libaugh that treats our real american hero as a racist (powell).The left needs to learn how to work togather for all the people...to much wasted knowlege.And finally lets not try to play god and make people think like us about allmost everything,from where to pray to abortion........ god will be our judge,not you or me!!!
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Only Obama had it right that we should never have gone into Iraq while taking our eye off of Osama bin Laden!